xylophone Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Your logic is flawed on so many levels. First you claim police are covering up for the kid because of fear and power from his family but had no problem accusing him early on (your very dated link) in the investigation when they focused on numerous people including the farang friend who they said had bloody pants in his suitcase. Of course the people not living in fantasy world know the police ended up ruling these suspects out because things were not as the seemed including the fact they verified this kid was not on the island when the murders took place. You somehow are being incredibly silly basing your nonsense on things you don't know since were not part of the investigation and then going on about other BS you heard online from other silly folks.Even in your dated link it clearly states he is a headmans son and police clearly have no problem of accusing him and even saying so publicly ... just like they did with others early on before eliminating them as suspects. I've been in this business a long time JTJ.... and I assure you that my logic is not flawed. My 'dated' link is probably the best link to post as it was directly after the crime was committed and before the water started to be muddied. This boy was THE PRIME SUSPECT in a brutal murder. I'm simply saying that he was cleared of all wrong doing WAY TOO QUICKLY. You are the one putting silly words in my mouth. A competant investigation would have followed all the many leads surrounding his whereabouts and alibis for the time in question. That could never be concluded in the time it took for him to be cleared. As the prime suspect in the case, he should have been compelled to provide DNA as a matter of course - even if he was cleared later. Don't confuse the issue by bringing up a lot of irrelevant nonsence. He was cleared in a matter of hours after his lawyer made a little speech. They verified that he was not on the island at the time of the murders. That is just not possible to do with any degree of certainty - if the truth is your goal. I would expext that if that was in fact the conclusion - that investigation alone would have taken weeks to establish. All that you proved with your link is police are not scared of this family. OR that the police initially hurried the investigation and let this information out too quickly. Then of course the powerful people became involved, including a certain politician, and others on the take, and put pressure on the police to change their story completely. Now that Is another possible scenario and would actually prove that the police are scared of the family and their contacts and power. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillingTime Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 It must be admitted that these words and accusing petition are insulting to Thais. But as Confucius said better there is more than 2500 years: "The invective dishonored its author, only him." Asians generally approve this wise maxim. So if the evidence is proven and confirmed by observers shame will be on British revilers and more generally on all Western, not the Thais. And that's how it gradually loses the prominent place that was ours there not long ago. For your information, Mr Hisseho (Santiano) : 1/ Confucius never wrote or said this. The phrase was made up by René Goscinny (a true genius, by the way) in one of his 'Lucky Luke' albums (called 'Rantanplan's inheritance'). A Chinese character in this album, after being insulted by Joe Dalton, replies "Like Confucius used to say, invective (etc)" but it's entirely made up by Goscinny. You will find it nowhere else, especially not in the works of Kong Foo Tse. 2/ Most Asians do approve of all wise maxims, but then so do most human beings in general, right ? It doesn't imply that they manage to live by those maxims, no matter how wise and true they are. As a matter of fact, you may have observed that most Asians, when insulted, react very strongly, perhaps more so than non-Asians, due to the 'face-losing' factor, a phenomenon not easily understood by Westerners in general and the source of many trans-cultural misunderstandings (or worse). I don't know if you live here or if you're just visiting, but it seems pretty obvious that you are in a phase of adoration towards Thailand (and a Thai person too probably), but I think in the case on the Koh Tao murders and especially where the investigation is concerned, you need to take these rosy glasses off your nose for a few minutes and accept the fact that a country can be full of wonderful people, great traditions, and nevertheless harbour some serious flaws. One of these flaws is the way rich and powerful people in this country can get away with just about anything, sometimes at the cost of other peoples' lives, reputation and/or freedom. Sadly the authorities, most of the time (not always, admittedly), are on their side, and framing innocent people has a history on this continent that would give you the creeps if you cared to look into the matter seriously . I'm not saying it doesn't happen in other countries because it does, but I am saying that it's worse in this part of the world. I got to know a Korean Yakuza many years ago in Japan. He did 20 years for a murder his boss committed. Everyone knew his boss committed the murder in a bar full of witnesses, but the young gang member took the rap and did the time. At least he was well paid for the job. By the time i met him he had a huge Merc and a cushy money collecting job in a nice suburb of Osaka. The cops needed a fall guy, and he'd pissed off his gang (he had stubs for all his smaller fingers and was missing many digits) so was perfect for the "job". This is Japan in the eighties, a highly developed first world country where the rich like to avoid jail, and the police are happy to oblige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Of course try finding 'little duck' now. Supposedly already burned and sitting at the bottom of the ocean. At least that is the word on the street here in Koh Toa. Apparently this isn't the first time of zm eery official silence, it is according to the locals the first time anyone has ever fought back. Usually people leave scared for their lives. Problem go away. This time social media has the power players making it up as they go along. Never happen before they say with a wry little smile.. "here on Koh Tao " lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
changnaam Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 The boat will be painted, changed ID, engines swapped out with another boat and away elsewhere. There could be evidence out there on who owned the boat though...... Marine Dept ..... Mmmm Police ......Mmmm Koh Tao Administration .... Mmmm Transport Registration ... Mmmm Well down to social media again. Anyone have a photo going on a trip on "little duck"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 LOL.. Or far more likely it is just another dead end... But hey, if you can get it to even remotely tie into a conspiracy theory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon7867763 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 One option for everyone to get out of this without loosing face is to offer the familly money , the Burmese admit it and get 20 years (but with an agreement that they get out quietly in 4) for sure someone is approaching them subtely these days in Samui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
changnaam Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 One option for everyone to get out of this without loosing face is to offer the familly money , the Burmese admit it and get 20 years (but with an agreement that they get out quietly in 4) for sure someone is approaching them subtely these days in Samui What about this victims John? What about their families? What about future protection of killers? What about a deterrent for future killers? Would you want your kids to go somewhere like that on holiday? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoristheBlade Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Blood splattered rocks for one, and witnesses a plenty In reference to the latest claims on social media that after the murders the supects split into 2 groups taking 2 speedboats, if that was the case why on earth would they not take the bodies with them to dump at sea? Surely that would have been a lot easier that leaving them very near the ac bar?I can only think maybe they were afraid of witnesses seeing them carry the bodies, but the speedboats were reported to have left very early, dawn or pre dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon7867763 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) One option for everyone to get out of this without loosing face is to offer the familly money , the Burmese admit it and get 20 years (but with an agreement that they get out quietly in 4) for sure someone is approaching them subtely these days in Samui What about this victims John? What about their families? What about future protection of killers? What about a deterrent for future killers? Would you want your kids to go somewhere like that on holiday? I agree with you , I just fear the suggested outcome , I hope it doesn´t happen but very sadly this is a possibility Edited October 27, 2014 by johnsnapo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 One option for everyone to get out of this without loosing face is to offer the familly money , the Burmese admit it and get 20 years (but with an agreement that they get out quietly in 4) for sure someone is approaching them subtely these days in Samui What about this victims John? What about their families? What about future protection of killers? What about a deterrent for future killers? Would you want your kids to go somewhere like that on holiday? Then again, they are the actual suspects and most likely the killers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon7867763 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) One option for everyone to get out of this without loosing face is to offer the familly money , the Burmese admit it and get 20 years (but with an agreement that they get out quietly in 4) for sure someone is approaching them subtely these days in Samui What about this victims John? What about their families? What about future protection of killers? What about a deterrent for future killers? Would you want your kids to go somewhere like that on holiday? Then again, they are the actual suspects and most likely the killers.... You seem to know more than everyone , please present us the evidence , dying to know , all we people want is justice and the truth Edited October 27, 2014 by johnsnapo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 here is a news video with Mon on the crime scene , also does anyone know who the lady is also on the crime scene ? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29203116 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 3 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 here is a news video with Mon on the crime scene , also does anyone know who the lady is also on the crime scene ? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29203116 Wish I had asked that question. You know I have wondered about her from day one. She looks like shes from a local influential family as I have seen her in many news clips talking to all the top brass in a very direct manner like she knows them. Almost ordering people around I would say. Initially I thought she may have been an undercover officer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29203116 sorry the screen shot is to small Edited October 27, 2014 by StealthEnergiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) here is a news video with Mon on the crime scene , also does anyone know who the lady is also on the crime scene ? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29203116 Wish I had asked that question. You know I have wondered about her from day one. She looks like shes from a local influential family as I have seen her in many news clips talking to all the top brass in a very direct manner like she knows them. Almost ordering people around I would say. Initially I thought she may have been an undercover officer.... yes she looks like she has some influence some one will recognise her for sure . Edited October 27, 2014 by StealthEnergiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
changnaam Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 One option for everyone to get out of this without loosing face is to offer the familly money , the Burmese admit it and get 20 years (but with an agreement that they get out quietly in 4) for sure someone is approaching them subtely these days in Samui What about this victims John? What about their families? What about future protection of killers? What about a deterrent for future killers? Would you want your kids to go somewhere like that on holiday? I agree with you , I just fear the suggested outcome , I hope it doesn´t happen but very sadly this is a possibility.i hope the real killers are caught. Yes I know where you are coming from. I am just hopeful that things for once may change. But I guess as Morgan Freeman said in Shawshank " Red: Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane. Or the response, which we need to remember Andy : [in letter to Red] Remember Red, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandLover Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 StealthEnergiser, on 27 Oct 2014 - 12:27, said: here is a news video with Mon on the crime scene , also does anyone know who the lady is also on the crime scene ? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29203116 You mean the one doing a lot of pointing? I've wondered that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxme Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 One option for everyone to get out of this without loosing face is to offer the familly money , the Burmese admit it and get 20 years (but with an agreement that they get out quietly in 4) for sure someone is approaching them subtely these days in Samui What about this victims John? What about their families? What about future protection of killers? What about a deterrent for future killers? Would you want your kids to go somewhere like that on holiday? Then again, they are the actual suspects and most likely the killers.... You seem to know more than everyone , please present us the evidence , dying to know , all we people want is justice and the truth Well JD... Where is the concrete proof? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 One option for everyone to get out of this without loosing face is to offer the familly money , the Burmese admit it and get 20 years (but with an agreement that they get out quietly in 4) for sure someone is approaching them subtely these days in Samui What about this victims John? What about their families? What about future protection of killers? What about a deterrent for future killers? Would you want your kids to go somewhere like that on holiday? Then again, they are the actual suspects and most likely the killers.... You seem to know more than everyone , please present us the evidence , dying to know , all we people want is justice and the truth Well JD... Where is the concrete proof? I know it is hard for some people to read but "most likely" means just that. The prosecution isn't going to make the mistake that the police did of divulging too much. That will be done in the trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandLover Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Johnsen, on 27 Oct 2014 - 02:50, said:Of course try finding 'little duck' now. Supposedly already burned and sitting at the bottom of the ocean. At least that is the word on the street here in Koh Toa. Apparently this isn't the first time of zm eery official silence, it is according to the locals the first time anyone has ever fought back. Usually people leave scared for their lives. Problem go away. This time social media has the power players making it up as they go along. Never happen before they say with a wry little smile.. Am I right in saying that the article in the Nation which appeared on 23rd September 2014 and mentioned the "Little Duck" (the only time I have seen it officially mentioned) was just beore the chief RTP case investigator was replaced, after which the whole investigation changed tack to one of denial? http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-police-fail-another-day-30243890.html Some fishermen fishing off Kanom district in Nakhon Si Thammarat province alerted police that they found a Thai man on a speedboat named "Little Duck" speeding south from Koh Pha Ngan. The man stopped by and asked for directions to Naiprao Island in the district. But he changed direction to Pakpanang district in the same province after his boat encountered a marine police boat on Naiprao beach. According to a post in another thread the Little Duck may have been owned by the Chomporn police. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Any posts which can be construed as rumor mongering are not allowed and will be removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 here is video bit about a gun found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ZD-Eft_Ps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxme Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 One option for everyone to get out of this without loosing face is to offer the familly money , the Burmese admit it and get 20 years (but with an agreement that they get out quietly in 4) for sure someone is approaching them subtely these days in Samui What about this victims John? What about their families? What about future protection of killers? What about a deterrent for future killers? Would you want your kids to go somewhere like that on holiday? Then again, they are the actual suspects and most likely the killers.... You seem to know more than everyone , please present us the evidence , dying to know , all we people want is justice and the truth Well JD... Where is the concrete proof? I know it is hard for some people to read but "most likely" means just that. The prosecution isn't going to make the mistake that the police did of divulging too much. That will be done in the trial. You have already judged the so called suspects. Hardly an objective observer but that's not your role here is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 StealthEnergiser, on 27 Oct 2014 - 12:27, said: here is a news video with Mon on the crime scene , also does anyone know who the lady is also on the crime scene ? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29203116 You mean the one doing a lot of pointing? I've wondered that too. you was correct about gun being found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Gosh those poor boys . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandLover Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 StealthEnergiser, on 27 Oct 2014 - 14:07, said:you was correct about gun being found Of course, this particular gun may not be of special interest in the present case but it does prove that guns are being kept on that island by individuals who don't appear to be law enforcement. There is a precident for gun crime on Koh Tao. A dive shop owner was gunned down on Sairee beach in broad daylight back in 2002, I believe (fact - not rumour). It's the hand grenade that worries me . Why the hell would you need a hand grenade on a tourist island? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidstipek Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) They had the DNA samples tested BEFORE they had any real suspects. They were looking for ASIAN suspects on the island. They found two that matched according to what I read. They either have the match or they don't. As far as the tortured confession, that should be a separate investigation and if wrong-doing then fire and prosecute the guilty. And throw the confession out if that is found. Then forget all this peripheral BS. Lets get it into court. The DNA match is there or it isn't, that's it! Let us remember... The Bodies of the Victims are and have been in UK long before these 2 Kids were singled out as being guilty. I am sure, without a doubt that Scotland Yard has taken their own DNA Samples and has them secured. Now, to see if what Thailand has is a match! Or what Scotland Yard has... Matches the accused... Otherwise Heads will roll on the International Level. Thus removing all Tourists from it shores as UK uses this as a Case in Point to Red Flag Thailand. My Company in USA has already canceled several Million Dollar/Month Trade deals. This is how sure our Thai Lawyers on our Legal Team are sure of total mishandling of this Case. We have already set in motion a Team to deliver Funds to help fund the Defense of the accused. I believe in the Kingdom... Royal Family and Karma! Let it go to Trial and then and only then will the World see the hands and how slight of hand keeps the truth from those above and the people of Thailand. In the end embarassing both if there is indeed some Black Magic trying to be practiced here... Like Poker... call their hand! Edited October 27, 2014 by davidstipek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabis Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 StealthEnergiser, on 27 Oct 2014 - 14:07, said:you was correct about gun being found Of course, this particular gun may not be of special interest in the present case but it does prove that guns are being kept on that island by individuals who don't appear to be law enforcement. There is a precident for gun crime on Koh Tao. A dive shop owner was gunned down on Sairee beach in broad daylight back in 2002, I believe (fact - not rumour). It's the hand grenade that worries me . Why the hell would you need a hand grenade on a tourist island? One could argue it's used for blast fishing Not really an uncommon way to fish in-around SEA, but this is off-topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Viking Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 We want the truth!! Until then... BOYCOT KOH TAO! Yes, and i say boycott Koh Tao for life. For the principal of it. To deny the criminal families their additional millions. To make a statement, and to provide David and Hannah some solidarity. It is a small price to pay. Tell everyone you know why it is best to avoid this crime infested, drug infested sewer of an island. I am never going back. Never. You are right like I posted a similar idea before, but to appeal for a boycott to ppl who having blown a big part of their brain with drugs and alc already is just like you blow an ox in the horn. The PM lost his chance to solve this case quick. Honesty, dignity etc. are for all corrupt bastards just words, the only thing what counts for them is money. Get them on their weakest point, evacute this island until the real truth come out. I would make a bet not more a 1 week the real truth come out, there is to much money to loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaidam Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 here is a news video with Mon on the crime scene , also does anyone know who the lady is also on the crime scene ? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29203116 Wish I had asked that question. You know I have wondered about her from day one. She looks like shes from a local influential family as I have seen her in many news clips talking to all the top brass in a very direct manner like she knows them. Almost ordering people around I would say. Initially I thought she may have been an undercover officer.... yes she looks like she has some influence some one will recognise her for sure . Nasty piece of work. some details of her link to the courts and judicial system here. http://drugsinthailand.blogspot.com/2009/06/my-koh-tao-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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