British authorities at Koh Tao crime scene

[smedly]

Why can't the video footage be released. What's with all the still photos...

why can't the British police make their own statements instead of some unconfirmed nonsense from a Thai spokesperson - and considering resent similar statements they have been known to be somewhat colourful with the truth

[jdinasia]

Not mysterious at all. His promotion was announced much earlier.

I beleive you are probably right on this, but since you are so sure, please post a link announcing his promotion.

Found it on a site we are not allowed to cite from September 11th

At least Phuket will get an honest cop in charge.

Huh?

He was promoted to BKK, announced prior to the killings on Koh Tao.

[jdinasia]

Why can't the video footage be released. What's with all the still photos...

why can't the British police make their own statements instead of some unconfirmed nonsense from a Thai spokesperson - and considering resent similar statements they have been known to be somewhat colourful with the truth

The FCO has made three public statements regarding the scope of the UK police involvement on Koh Tao. All state observers.

[Rykbanlor]

Thanks for the reference JD (re BP sept 11th)

[jdinasia]

LOL, he offered the 1million to prove he was Guilty..

Bribing people to put you IN jail??

LOL

Yeah... publically... Using the media of the newspaper/radio/television/carrier pigeon and smoke signals... Imagine how much he was offering under the table to the police to keep him and his family out...

A pretty sight more than 1 million I would bet... In fact, I would bet that the 1 million bribe was there to fish out the non-police and government types who would rat on him so then he knew who to put in his sights next...

LOL.. Any more conspiracy theories??

[Johnsen]

Its amazing to think how lightly this Mon character has gotten off with all this photographic evidence about. I mean on a roped off crime scene, chasing people into mini marts and threatening them and of course the rumours of an altercation in his own bar with David and Hannah. To be honest I haven't really read any good reason he is not prime suspect number 1.

You would have to say by his own actions he does seem connected up to his eyeballs in all of this. Does he own a gun by any chance. Anybody heard what his alibi was on the night of the murder. Very very strange to be chasing people around the island with an off duty cop. Why would he be doing such a thing. Anybody know this Mons whereabouts at present.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Johnsen

[thailandchilli]

Why people ask why police allow this guy into a crime scene. He is above the law and the police as he and his family run the island simple as that.

Yes, one of the reasons the BP post characterized the initial police investigation as a disgrace, ramshackle, shoddy and an international embarassment for Thailand. pretty strong words and I don't believe their position has changed from what I can see.

This shot is damning and in itself evidence enough that this investigation is a complete sham from the start. Whoever proposes that the current suspects will get a fair trail with the sort of evidence collected from a crime scene that has been tainted are completely blind at best or part of the cover up at worse.

[arrowsdawdle]

Lots and lots of questions for the BIB to answer as to why he was allowed in there. Lots and lots of question to be asked to Mon as to why and what he was doing there.

What time was the crime committed, after dark?

[wilcopops]

"The trip was kept secret, with no police officers in Surat Thani province or Provincial Police Region 8 informed. Police based on Koh Tao and neighbouring Koh Phangan were not allowed to join the meeting or take pictures of the visitors.'

Doesn't say much for the local police's reputation in the eyes of the Bkk Thai or Brit police.

Authority or not - lets hope the British police wield a certain amount of INFLUENCE.

[Krenjai]

JTJ

Toxicology would indicate the presence of gun power/ bullet fragments in Hanna's wounds, also Date Rape Drugs in her blood..........

WOW, the smoking gun....quite literally!

Makes sense, I always wondered why on earth would somebody leave such wounds on a person unless you had to get the bullet to avoid identification.

As much as I would like to believe it's true, my realist head tells me that the subsequent UK post-mortem (if not also the Thai one) would have identified a bullet wound to the head. If factual, draw your own inferences as to why that 'evidence' was not revealed.

Agreed, but...........I assume you have seen the unedited pictures and will agree the damage was very likely done by the hoe. No bullet (unless dumdum) would leave such wounds, so in fact if she was shot and you quickly wanted the bullet, what do you? And maybe the UK-post-mortem DID identify this....

I just feel the net is getting tighter and is closing in on the suspects and I hope it is juts a matter of time before somebody cracks! We can't be far off.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Krenjai

[Lozza]

Its amazing to think how lightly this Mon character has gotten off with all this photographic evidence about. I mean on a roped off crime scene, chasing people into mini marts and threatening them and of course the rumours of an altercation in his own bar with David and Hannah. To be honest I haven't really read any good reason he is not prime suspect number 1.

You would have to say by his own actions he does seem connected up to his eyeballs in all of this. Does he own a gun by any chance. Anybody heard what his alibi was on the night of the murder. Very very strange to be chasing people around the island with an off duty cop. Why would he be doing such a thing. Anybody know this Mons whereabouts at present.

Let's not forget sean's photo, the policeman is number 3 along with a few more thugs.

another twist in this saga is about to happen

no surprises here, I did post another scenario days back not sure if mods let it through

you couldn't make this up

[Scully]

This picture says everything you need to know about the case, yet we have a round the clock team of RTP apologists defending their actions. Nobody knows who did this but to take the word of the police as fact is not only naive but in my mind downright crazy.

Its quite interesting to take a back seat and see this case evolve in these threads, however it's spoiled by certain posters jumping on every post quoting the RTP's "facts".

Oh well its their right I suppose.

[Artisi]

Dear Moderators,

Is it possible to have a Dislike this Button along with the Like this button to allow people to show their dislike for a comment?

Also you could come up with an Unpopular motif, a black X or something when a comment attracts a certain amount of dislikes as you have with the Popular Star motif for the Like's

Just a thought......

I've had similar thoughts for a long while about a dislike button - not just since the current bombardment if miss information currently flooding TV at the moment.Only a like button is a bit one-sided.

[Johnsen]

Surely your not talking about that police chap who is employed to go and collect all the illegal Burmese' money for being allowed to stay and work on the island. I do believe its 500 baht per illegal per month. Now that would be a scandal, could you imagine the headlines. 'Illegal payment collector involved in murder'. Tragedy for the islands reputation one would have thought.

[Lozza]

Has anyone else seen the gun shot report on CSI LA ? It's on page 1 and makes a lot of sense to the question of the amount of damage supposedly caused by a garden tool !

Yes, I posted this a few days ago. I also noted that sometime back there was a photo of a gun shown by police that was supposedly found in a search at the burmese home.

I immediately thought that was odd...and thought ...Oh no, they have plan B hatched. With this info I did many searches and believe this is what happened to hanna.

Those boys need to be released now. This is a living nightmare.

[jdinasia]

"The trip was kept secret, with no police officers in Surat Thani province or Provincial Police Region 8 informed. Police based on Koh Tao and neighbouring Koh Phangan were not allowed to join the meeting or take pictures of the visitors.'

Doesn't say much for the local police's reputation in the eyes of the Bkk Thai or Brit police.

Authority or not - lets hope the British police wield a certain amount of INFLUENCE.

Another deduction could be made. Were the UK police given access to the Thai investigators? Or were they simply shuffled from the beach to the bar to a meeting, then shipped back to BKK?

[jomcondo]

That Island has been a fiefdom for a very long time.

When the cops are under your control you can do what you want.

[jdinasia]

jdinasia, on 27 Oct 2014 - 16:46, said:

Jack Burton, on 27 Oct 2014 - 16:27, said:

JD, can you please confirm what your gay lovers occupation is? I have reason to believe it is something to do with someone very connected on Koh Tao........

Save your gay baiting for some other forum

Maybe you miss-understood the word "gay."

When I was young it meant "jovial or happy, good-spirited."

You can save yours as well

[Krenjai]

Has anyone else seen the gun shot report on CSI LA ? It's on page 1 and makes a lot of sense to the question of the amount of damage supposedly caused by a garden tool !

Yes, I posted this a few days ago. I also noted that sometime back there was a photo of a gun shown by police that was supposedly found in a search at the burmese home.

I immediately thought that was odd...and thought ...Oh no, they have plan B hatched. With this info I did many searches and believe this is what happened to hanna.

Those boys need to be released now. This is a living nightmare.

Don't know about plan B, but IF the post-mortem would show this, it is likely they will find this gun in the bushes with some Burmese DNA / Fingerprints on it. I also agree it might be true that she was shot (bullet will identity gun and possible owner) so they had to get the bullet and "hopefully" leave no trace.

[Johnsen]

A gun with the Burmese. How interesting. Shan't matter I suppose. Wasn't the murder weapon a bottle of wine and a hoe. That's the report according to the RTP. Perhaps that was the report in case the British missed the bullet wound. Now of course one would imagine we might begin to hear more about this gun allegedly found. Of course that would probably mean submitting a whole new case to the prosecutor. I would find it hard to believe these young Burmese would own a fire arm.

[Lozza]

Another tidbit there is a guy walking around the crime scene with the scotland yard boys-he has cap with police written on it. Turns out he is a relative of the family.

I doubt Scotland Yard would know that.. or did they.

Also the wife of that thug policeman has been posting online asking people to stay off forums.

[Tatsujin]

Predictable non credible story.... I doubt the Brit police would comment on the job done by the RTP. A non sensical report really.

Regardless of what evidence is presented in any courts, or the British police report, many have already decided the "truth" based on a fb page, TV and their own readiness to believe what the want to believe.

Now that's nonsensical for sure.

Many of us have simply seen far too many lies and untruths coming from the RTP over the years to take anything they say on "faith".

At this point in time, there are other suspects that were cleared that shouldn't have been and far too many unanswered questions and changed stories that make us question just how they got from A to B . . . and what real, untainted, unquestionable evidence they have to back it up.

To tell people that all is perfect with the investigation at this stage of the game is ludicrous. It's been very badly handled from day one and that is why people question the guilt of the current duo.

The Thai's ability to put words in other people's mouths and state it as fact is legendary . . . and I question whether that is what is happening here in this case.

[expat_4_life]

why can't the British police make their own statements instead of some unconfirmed nonsense from a Thai spokesperson - and considering resent similar statements they have been known to be somewhat colourful with the truth

The British police do not comment regards ongoing investigations - so if you've read comments somewhere attributed to them, then it's likely editorial BS.

Edited October 27, 2014 by expat_4_life

[Baerboxer]

Its amazing to think how lightly this Mon character has gotten off with all this photographic evidence about. I mean on a roped off crime scene, chasing people into mini marts and threatening them and of course the rumours of an altercation in his own bar with David and Hannah. To be honest I haven't really read any good reason he is not prime suspect number 1.

You would have to say by his own actions he does seem connected up to his eyeballs in all of this. Does he own a gun by any chance. Anybody heard what his alibi was on the night of the murder. Very very strange to be chasing people around the island with an off duty cop. Why would he be doing such a thing. Anybody know this Mons whereabouts at present.

1. Who says it's actually an offence to cross a police tape in Thailand? Who says the police didn't invite him to see if he could ID the victims for them as his family own the nearby resort and bars.

2. You choose to believe McAnna's initial fb comments. Some of which he has subsequently changed to change and clarrify the meanings. He is a convicted pedophile who may also have issues with alcohol and drugs. No one knows what he was up to and if these men really were chasing him and if so what for. Just his initial babble followed by a few corrections followed by silence.

3. "Rumors" of an altercation. Do you understand the word rumor. Spread by who, corroborated by who? The victim's friends, others in the bar that night, farang and Thai, have not commented on this. Don't you think that might indicate the validity of this "rumor"?

So no, I can't see where he's got off light.

Mr.Ware was a suspect "with lots of evidence", then the son and relatives of the headman, with evidence so strong they would be arrested in a couple of days, then the 2 Burmese on the strength of DNA evidence and confessions. The police have now decided to go with the latter. Up to the judge now.

[Johnsen]

What, a family member escorting around the fellows from Scotland Yard. I say, this family just can't seem to stay out of it. Very unusual. Come come you say the wife of debt collecting police officer has been asking people to stay off forums... Why in lords name would she be doing that... That seems very odd.

Now here on TV we have 24/7 trolls. I tell you, this all adds up to something you know. Quite a remarkable set of circumstances. Simply remarkable.

What can one possibly make of all this.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Johnsen

[Baerboxer]

Predictable non credible story.... I doubt the Brit police would comment on the job done by the RTP. A non sensical report really.

Regardless of what evidence is presented in any courts, or the British police report, many have already decided the "truth" based on a fb page, TV and their own readiness to believe what the want to believe.

Now that's nonsensical for sure.

Many of us have simply seen far too many lies and untruths coming from the RTP over the years to take anything they say on "faith".

At this point in time, there are other suspects that were cleared that shouldn't have been and far too many unanswered questions and changed stories that make us question just how they got from A to B . . . and what real, untainted, unquestionable evidence they have to back it up.

To tell people that all is perfect with the investigation at this stage of the game is ludicrous. It's been very badly handled from day one and that is why people question the guilt of the current duo.

The Thai's ability to put words in other people's mouths and state it as fact is legendary . . . and I question whether that is what is happening here in this case.

There is, as many know from experience, a big issue with telling lies in Thailand. It is not regarded in the same way as other cultures regard it. Even government ministers lie and when caught say it's acceptable and even ethical. A lie will be told to save face, avoid conflict and avoid responsibility and accountability, from top to bottom and back again.

The RTP are no different, often just making it up as they go along. Therefore it's hard to put any substance to any of their claims.

But, you suggest other suspects were cleared that shouldn't have been, that these 2 are innocent. So you've made your mind up - based on what. Reports (usually poorly translated and badly written) based on comments from the RTP, together with conjecture and speculation on social media?

It has certainly been badly handled and far far from a perfect investigation. But, that unfortunately seems the case in many investigations here.

[jdinasia]

What, a family member escorting around the fellows from Scotland Yard. I say, this family just can't seem to stay out of it. Very unusual. Come come you say the wife of debt collecting police officer has been asking people to stay off forums... Why in lords name would she be doing that... That seems very odd.

Now here on TV we have 24/7 trolls. I tell you, this all adds up to something you know. Quite a remarkable set of circumstances. Simply remarkable.

What can one possibly make of all this.

You aren't here 24/7.. It only feels like it!

[MediaWatcher]

jdinasia, on 27 Oct 2014 - 17:30, said:

MediaWatcher, on 27 Oct 2014 - 17:29, said:

jdinasia, on 27 Oct 2014 - 16:46, said:

jdinasia, on 27 Oct 2014 - 16:46, said:

Jack Burton, on 27 Oct 2014 - 16:27, said:

Jack Burton, on 27 Oct 2014 - 16:27, said:

JD, can you please confirm what your gay lovers occupation is? I have reason to believe it is something to do with someone very connected on Koh Tao........

Save your gay baiting for some other forum

Maybe you miss-understood the word "gay."

When I was young it meant "jovial or happy, good-spirited."

You can save yours as well

Well, it's obvious you are not "gay" according to my definition... pretty sad aren't you? I guess that happens when you are so often WRONG.

[Johnsen]

It would appear these new photographs of this Mon fellow has stirred up quite a new deal of information and dare I say it possibly hit a raw nerve or two. This families continual involvement in the case drags the poor do gooders squarely to the top of the suspicious list.

Why any family would want to stay so heavily involved in a case that has nothing to do with them boogles the mind. Still it is nice to see a family unit stick so solidly together. One in all in hey chaps!!!!

[MediaWatcher]

Baerboxer, on 27 Oct 2014 - 17:52, said:

Tatsujin, on 27 Oct 2014 - 17:34, said:

Baerboxer, on 27 Oct 2014 - 15:55, said:

Johnsen, on 27 Oct 2014 - 15:51, said:

Predictable non credible story.... I doubt the Brit police would comment on the job done by the RTP. A non sensical report really.

Regardless of what evidence is presented in any courts, or the British police report, many have already decided the "truth" based on a fb page, TV and their own readiness to believe what the want to believe.

Now that's nonsensical for sure.

Many of us have simply seen far too many lies and untruths coming from the RTP over the years to take anything they say on "faith".

At this point in time, there are other suspects that were cleared that shouldn't have been and far too many unanswered questions and changed stories that make us question just how they got from A to B . . . and what real, untainted, unquestionable evidence they have to back it up.

To tell people that all is perfect with the investigation at this stage of the game is ludicrous. It's been very badly handled from day one and that is why people question the guilt of the current duo.

The Thai's ability to put words in other people's mouths and state it as fact is legendary . . . and I question whether that is what is happening here in this case.

There is, as many know from experience, a big issue with telling lies in Thailand. It is not regarded in the same way as other cultures regard it. Even government ministers lie and when caught say it's acceptable and even ethical. A lie will be told to save face, avoid conflict and avoid responsibility and accountability, from top to bottom and back again.

The RTP are no different, often just making it up as they go along. Therefore it's hard to put any substance to any of their claims.

But, you suggest other suspects were cleared that shouldn't have been, that these 2 are innocent. So you've made your mind up - based on what. Reports (usually poorly translated and badly written) based on comments from the RTP, together with conjecture and speculation on social media?

It has certainly been badly handled and far far from a perfect investigation. But, that unfortunately seems the case in many investigations here.

"A lie will be told to save face, avoid conflict and avoid responsibility and accountability, from top to bottom and back again." isn't this why anyone, including non Thais, lie? it's just that many Thais lie far too much and their excuses are far too ridiculous.