Thailand to 'allow' second DNA test for British murder accused

[surangw]

its not just the dna that is cloudy in this investigation

[kennw]

Yes! the devil is in the detail, allow another DNA test BUT will British Police be allowed to observe and verify all the procedures so that they are willing to certify the results. This is what the international community is after. It is not Thailand's sovereignty that is being questioned it is justice as served up by RTP, We do not need to cite examples for this concern.

[Willy Eckerslike]

Does anybody know if young Warot attended the publicized news conference today to submit to a public DNA sampling, to clear his name???

Edited October 29, 2014 by Willy Eckerslike

[JOC]

Does anybody know if young Warot attended the news conference today to submit to a public DNA sampling, to clear his name???

Sadly he was too busy!!

[Expat Girl]

JTJ and jdinasia!! Please come around and explain this one to us!!

Did you not read the article??

they did hence the question

From the article ""We will allow suspects to take another DNA test," Prime Minister Prayut Chan-O-Cha told reporters after a weekly cabinet meeting. "If they think that the previous tests were unfair we will conduct a second test."

As said. they did

Not evident from the question.

It is please review

[JOC]

Yes! the devil is in the detail, allow another DNA test BUT will British Police be allowed to observe and verify all the procedures so that they are willing to certify the results. This is what the international community is after. It is not Thailand's sovereignty that is being questioned it is justice as served up by RTP, We do not need to cite examples for this concern.

The Brits could get the DNA from the boys' parents. Should be enough to exclude them, if innocent!

Or??

[mommysboy]

If their DNA was introduced on to the victim or belongings, then of course it will match. That is not the issue..

Sent from my i-mobile IQ 1 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[Neeranam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Z1zEjDj7I#t=101

[Lozza]

There's a new piece of "evidence" created by CSI LA .. https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/10679864_727875407290187_4086516763862413803_o.jpg you probably need to be signed in to facebook to see it..

The picture shows that the man seen running on CCTV is roughly 160-167cm tall.. The scapegoats are roughly 145-148cm tall.. Nom Sod and Mon are 160cm and 168cm respectively ..

Not evidence yet just theories as he would need perfect messurements of the door and blah blah blah....but that dude is relentless and damn good in my book.

Interesting to see if the RTP has also done this and it's included in their 835 pages report returned 3 times by the prosecutor.

they thought the day they handed in the report their job was done celebrating with a few sang som's 555..it's only just begun lads

[McQwaid]

All due respect to the family members of the deceased, but I often wonder what they are thinking about all this?

They don't make any media statements calling for energies towards solving the "mysteries" in response to all of the quite valid social media speculation.

We've seen parents before at the forefront of a public outcry for justice, but I haven't seen it here? Hmm?

Also consider this with the silence on behalf of the UK and Hannah's friends who were on the island with her? Hmm?

Could it be that they all know something we social media posters don't?

I have a feeling this is very much the case here.

My imagination ( that's all I have at this point ) hopes that the UK has their own DNA results, or something else, and will play this card at exactly the right time unbeknownst to the RTP. I like to imagine the families and friends involved have been shared this strategy and are playing their own strategic role by being patient and silent.

Just tinkin ...

[MikePhuket1970]

Amazing, 4 pages in and not one post from the team of trolls... That in itself suggests something.

Don´t worry.They having the nightshift and comming later

[Lozza]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Z1zEjDj7I#t=101

Interesting,both shots he's looking at the camera. Is the denim jacket used to hide his disability.

Can anyone interpret this story..

[Johnsen]

Guilty as charged your honor. Do I still get my overtime...

[saakura]

A second test to compare with what. That is the key thing. No-one is doubting the tests. Everyone is doubting the samples which they were compared with. Where did these samples come from?

And where / who will conduct the second gathering of saliva or whatever from the two Myanmar boys, who will be present, will the media be present.

And who will be there to guarantee that it's not swapped or whatever in the laboratory?

For credibility it would be better if the officers from UK were present at every step. Will it happen? Will the UK police or the UK Gov't speak up and insist on being present? It's also an opportunity for them to try to get a clearer picture / get some (not all) answers.

Where's Khunying Porntip?

Far too busy desperately endorsing fake Bomb Detectors already comprehensibly denounced by Governments worldwide and the "manufacturers" jailed and fined.

Patrick

O.K. so that was rubbish and she clearly was wrong but don't take away from her credibility as a forensic pathologist.

It does bcos to this day she has never retracted or apologised. In fact in the begining of the controversy, she was vigorously defending it. And she has not done anything spectacular as a forensic pathologist.

She made her bones (and was awarded her title) standing up to the RTP. The gt200 debacle has severely damaged her credibility in the eyes of many.

Sorry but i am not aware of how titles are awarded, is it for excellence in profession?. Because i understand that many other non-professionals such as Thaksin's ex-wife, wives of some high ranking army generals, ploiticians etc have similar titles?

[culicine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Z1zEjDj7I#t=101

Interesting,both shots he's looking at the camera. Is the denim jacket used to hide his disability.

Can anyone interpret this story..

According to others who live there, those wooden chairs have not been there since June. Doctored video?

[Johnsen]

DNA will reveal that Nomsod is a gutless little <deleted> ...

[Number 3]

A second test to compare with what. That is the key thing. No-one is doubting the tests. Everyone is doubting the samples which they were compared with. Where did these samples come from?

And where / who will conduct the second gathering of saliva or whatever from the two Myanmar boys, who will be present, will the media be present.

And who will be there to guarantee that it's not swapped or whatever in the laboratory?

For credibility it would be better if the officers from UK were present at every step. Will it happen? Will the UK police or the UK Gov't speak up and insist on being present? It's also an opportunity for them to try to get a clearer picture / get some (not all) answers.

Where's Khunying Porntip?

Far too busy desperately endorsing fake Bomb Detectors already comprehensibly denounced by Governments worldwide and the "manufacturers" jailed and fined.

Patrick

O.K. so that was rubbish and she clearly was wrong but don't take away from her credibility as a forensic pathologist.

It does bcos to this day she has never retracted or apologised. In fact in the begining of the controversy, she was vigorously defending it. And she has not done anything spectacular as a forensic pathologist.

She made her bones (and was awarded her title) standing up to the RTP. The gt200 debacle has severely damaged her credibility in the eyes of many.

Sorry but i am not aware of how titles are awarded, is it for excellence in profession?. Because i understand that many other non-professionals such as Thaksin's ex-wife, wives of some high ranking army generals, ploiticians etc have similar titles?

Csi reporting this evening that nomsod has agreed only to have his DNA taken and tested at a specific hospital that he names.

It appears that his terms have been agreed to.

So this is the precedent then is it? If coppers ask my good self for any DNA in the future I'll tell them to jog on unless I go to my own local gp?

Load of shi**.

[Number 3]

Interesting,both shots he's looking at the camera. Is the denim jacket used to hide his disability.

Can anyone interpret this story..

According to others who live there, those wooden chairs have not been there since June. Doctored video?

It took almost two months to get this and it's confirmed the set up ain't been like is shown for months

Long enough to get some film professionally doctored for sure

[Dogmatix]

Apparently this will not be the second but the third DNA test for at least one of the Burmese suspects who was photographed queuing up for his first DNA test which presumably proved negative.

If the tests are done by Thai authorities, they have close to zero credibility. Same applies to the Nomsod boy's test. Who knows what their samples are being matched with anyway?

[BritTim]

(Link to Thai PBS removed as mods will probably delete any posts including it as it is not in Thai.)

Thai PBS investigated the doubts that have been expressed about the CCTV evidence produced by Mon's lawyer placing him in Bangkok. While not conclusive, it does seem to show Mon leaving the dorm at 9:16 am and not entering between 3:00 am and that time. It also shows no injuries of the type that had been reported. There are still various ways this might have been faked, but I give his alibi more credence.

[littlebw]

(Link to Thai PBS removed as mods will probably delete any posts including it as it is not in Thai.)

Thai PBS investigated the doubts that have been expressed about the CCTV evidence produced by Mon's lawyer placing him in Bangkok. While not conclusive, it does seem to show Mon leaving the dorm at 9:16 am and not entering between 3:00 am and that time. It also shows no injuries of the type that had been reported. There are still various ways this might have been faked, but I give his alibi more credence.

Doctored date and time?

isn't there furniture on that was removed in June 2014?

[kcirtapyelrah]

A second test to compare with what. That is the key thing. No-one is doubting the tests. Everyone is doubting the samples which they were compared with. Where did these samples come from?

And where / who will conduct the second gathering of saliva or whatever from the two Myanmar boys, who will be present, will the media be present.

And who will be there to guarantee that it's not swapped or whatever in the laboratory?

For credibility it would be better if the officers from UK were present at every step. Will it happen? Will the UK police or the UK Gov't speak up and insist on being present? It's also an opportunity for them to try to get a clearer picture / get some (not all) answers.

Where's Khunying Porntip?

Far too busy desperately endorsing fake Bomb Detectors already comprehensibly denounced by Governments worldwide and the "manufacturers" jailed and fined.

Patrick

O.K. so that was rubbish and she clearly was wrong but don't take away from her credibility as a forensic pathologist.

It does bcos to this day she has never retracted or apologised. In fact in the begining of the controversy, she was vigorously defending it. And she has not done anything spectacular as a forensic pathologist.

She made her bones (and was awarded her title) standing up to the RTP. The gt200 debacle has severely damaged her credibility in the eyes of many.

Sorry but i am not aware of how titles are awarded, is it for excellence in profession?. Because i understand that many other non-professionals such as Thaksin's ex-wife, wives of some high ranking army generals, ploiticians etc have similar titles?

Csi reporting this evening that nomsod has agreed only to have his DNA taken and tested at a specific hospital that he names.

It appears that his terms have been agreed to.

So this is the precedent then is it? If coppers ask my good self for any DNA in the future I'll tell them to jog on unless I go to my own local gp?

Load of shi**.

Nom the sod.

[richusa]

A second DNA testing that is already tainted?

How convenient, to take the saliva from the Burmese and mix......simple as that.

Unless Singapore has unadulterated DNA.

As I said previously, there will not be enough the prosecutors can convict against the defense.

Shoddy work, contamination....etc...

So the Burmese will be released, the case unsolved and the Koh Tao headsman goes on....and all forgotten.

[tattoodrob]

I dont understand why the police dont use other evidence(if hes really innocent!) to clear Nomsod instead of suggesting he now do a dna which of course anything can be sent to the lab as we already know to give whatever result they want..........surely they can show phone records as to his whereabouts the whole weekend which would be a good start to clear him or even how about a few witnesses go on tv to say he was in class or with them that night,if he was in Bangkok then surely he went out and so can find other cctv evidence as to his whereabouts if actually there.....if 10 classmates went on tv and declared he was there bright and early then that would help him or show doubters or even how about a few independent Koh Tao people testify to journalists that he was 100% not seen anywhere on the island that weekend..........seems to me like he cant get any other evidence as an alibi apart from that cctv footage.....if an injustice is happening to him then surely someone impartial to him can help him but nothing seems to come out on that front anywhere......if i was his mate and was REALLY with him that weekend then i would go on Tv or whatever and declare it!......if the Police have real evidence apart from the cctv he produced that he wasnt there then why not show it...shut everyone up!!!

Did David and Hannahs friends see Nomsod at the bar,if they did then should say somewhere to bring it to light..if they didnt see him then tell us as all this speculation is crazy and easily put to bed.......if Davids or Hannahs friends or other Farangs inn that bar scene say they never saw this guy at any time then i for one would be happier in my opinion of this investigation,there must have been quite a few foreigners in that bar between 2 and 4 am and if he wasnt seen there at all that weekend then odds are he didnt wake up at 4 am and decide to get a gang together and rape and kill some strangers...but if he was there then game over in my mind,strange Shaun says he dont know,why not just say you never see him so probably he was not there or he can check with other friends still on the island as to was he really there even if he didnt see him.......by the way running man does seem to look very very similar to Nomsod,if its not him and isnt a suspect anymore as isnt a Burma guy they got already then why have police not mentioned this innocent guy is now found and was nothing to do with it...anyone who thinks this case is not a cover up must be crazy...yes we dont have the real facts and never will hence why people Thai and Farang have to speculate so much and the Thai believe its a cover up more than any Farang because they ARE Thai and DO know what really happens at the Cop shops and with influential people already paying the Cops good money.........anyway as i see it he dont have to say Nomnuts will do another dna if public dont believe as could clear him much easier if had any real sensible alibi and when he has relatives claiming he was with them not in Bangkok and in Pattaya then makes him look worse!!! why would they say that! ..there is so many conflicting stories and Police statements that has made it a farce and quite hard to cover up fully now and is impossible even to make people believe what they say from now on is anything like the truth but looks like they are trying as hard as they can.

I believe 100% that the Police know exactly what happened and who is involved within a few days to a week after the tragic murders but the payment to cover it up must be going up astronomically by the day now due to the external pressure but they wont give the money back now so will just "plod" on till it quietens down which it will unfortunately but at the end then maybe a consolation will be that they will be skint and hopefully no one will visit any bars owned by them for a long long time...problem is any other businesses not owned by them on the Island will suffer greatly too through no fault of there own.

[lausie]

(Link to Thai PBS removed as mods will probably delete any posts including it as it is not in Thai.)

Thai PBS investigated the doubts that have been expressed about the CCTV evidence produced by Mon's lawyer placing him in Bangkok. While not conclusive, it does seem to show Mon leaving the dorm at 9:16 am and not entering between 3:00 am and that time. It also shows no injuries of the type that had been reported. There are still various ways this might have been faked, but I give his alibi more credence.

There appears to be a chap outside the door at around 4:21am and another at around 6am (stills attached).

Of course it may not be him at either time but there is clearly movement in that lobby throughout the period 3am-9am.

[Lex Talionis]

JTJ and jdinasia!! Please come around and explain this one to us!!

Why do you always try to make this thing personal? Because these men happen to disagree with your snap judgment? Fact of the matter is nothing is for sure yet.

The good news is these new tests will be done under the watchful eyes of Scotland yard. But I suppose you're going to come up with another one of your wild ass theories on how the evil Thai authorities will find a way to subvert the process.

As for me I am content to wait and see what these British police will have to say when all is said and done.

Right now good news!

[PaPiPuPePo]

(Link to Thai PBS removed as mods will probably delete any posts including it as it is not in Thai.)

Thai PBS investigated the doubts that have been expressed about the CCTV evidence produced by Mon's lawyer placing him in Bangkok. While not conclusive, it does seem to show Mon leaving the dorm at 9:16 am and not entering between 3:00 am and that time. It also shows no injuries of the type that had been reported. There are still various ways this might have been faked, but I give his alibi more credence.

Yes it does look like he enters the elevator and exits it and the bldg. as the other guy comes in and enters the elevator.

My concerns are the time it took to produce this, the ease of doctoring especially in that time.

[Thaddeus]

DNA will reveal that Nomsod is a gutless little <deleted> ...

I didn't know you could prove that from a DNA sample, I thought you had to.....

Think I'll stop there.

[IslandLover]

JOC, on 29 Oct 2014 - 11:14, said:

harleyclarkey, on 29 Oct 2014 - 10:57, said:

I really hope this brings and end to all the speculation. This should be conclusive.

It seems that the unfortunate woman was raped before being brutally murdered. If so this is where the DNA sample of the perpetrator(s) will come from.

I doubt if the Myanmar guys "fluids" can be placed after the event.

I also doubt the British police will allow any sample to be analysed outside their control. Otherwise why bother?

Allow me a stupid question!!

Would there any difference in the DNA tested from fluids, skin or hair??

What I mean is, would it be possible to get a DNA swab from the suspects saliver and claim it was retrived from the sperm found in the victim??

DNA is DNA (i.e. the same) wherever it is taken from, even from bones. Experts can establish the familial relationships of 4,000 year old Egyptian skeletons through DNA from the bones. It's how it is tested and compared which is important.

For all those asking again, yes, post-mortems were carried out on Hannah, and presumably David, as soon as the bodies were returned to the U.K., by a "Home Office" pathologist no less (source: BBC News), in other words, a forensic specialist. I have no idea whether the bodies were embalmed or not before repatriation, or what effect that would have had on these 2nd post-mortems, as there has been no official statement on this.

[jenks]

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Does anyone recall if the bodies were sent back to the UK before or after the two Burmese workers were arrested?

Before.

Which is a problem for the conspiracy theory that the two Burmese men had their DNA planted on the bodies because then the police would have had to do it around three weeks before the arrests; so they want to frame up these two guys, plant the "scapegoats" DNA in, ship the bodies out, wait around three weeks running around like headless chicken making blunder after blunder and then, and only then they say "A-HA! here's the killers!".

It doesn't look like a plausible scenario to me, specially because it would be thoroughly dependent in the complicity of the police and forensic experts in the UK to play along with it.

I think you missed my point.....My point is if the bodies were already back in the UK, the Brits would possibly have the opportunity to extract their own DNA sample. There is the possibility that the original sample extracted from the body and on file with the RTP was removed and replaced, when times were right, (perhaps after an arrangement had been reached) for a DNA sample from the 2 Workers to be substituted in the RTP files....Those samples so stated as coming from the body of the deceased would then be compared with that of the workers and walla a match. A possibly corrupt official , never suspecting such a backlash, just may think there would never be a problem, but now its damage control time.

And that, again, would necessitate the complicity of the UK police and forensic experts.

I may be missing something here but as far as i am aware the 2 Burmese guys were pictured in the line up very early on in the investigation. It is then entirely plausible that the BIB had plenty of time to decide from the DNA samples and related information regarding who gave each sample who would best suit a fit up. The DNA could have been planted on the body before it was shipped back to the UK and then after a bit of time 'investigating' hey presto! we have the perps. It would explain why they weren't arrested first time round and if this was indeed the case then it would make no difference whatsoever to the UK police investigation as the DNA samples would match anyway. The BIB would be more concerned with the boys from the Met uncovering proof of this than the actual samples not matching. As i said i may have missed something because i haven't had chance to check in with developments everyday as i have been travelling but i have tried my best to monitor proceedings as i am appalled at the way things play out here. As i have previously stated i have been here for many years and i am finding it an increasingly dangerous place for us 'Farangs'