DNA results from Ko Tao village head’s son don't match traces on slain British tourists

[jdinasia]

And again, they were looking at Burmese. Only some DNA had been tested. Etc

and again whats that got to do with the evidence that was destroyed by the Thai's to divert attention to those who were really involved

Then from your quote "tried to"

But you remain focused on people who were eliminated by exculpatory evidence.

[jdinasia]

I cba to dig through pages to find something you quote without citation.

Yes I guessed that would be the case, I have mentioned before how you find it difficult to face the truth, so to save you precious time..........http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-police-fail-another-day-30243890.html

The article is also interesting in that it refers to the Little Duck speedboat and also confirms that the RTP were looking for 2 weapons not just the hoe

Are you really using an article from 8 days into the investigation?

Strangely you skip over the fact that they were looking at Burmese as the primary suspects at that time.

It is in fact incredibly interesting, enlightening and useful in analyzing the case to go back and read all of the statements about the investigation made during the first 10 days or so after the crime was committed.

While there were many speculative and conflicting statements, you can also collect numerous statements of fact made by authorities based on sufficient information to make those statements--including the results of the forensic autopsy and their inferences from those results.

Some of these statements of fact and contemporaneous inferences don't really line up with the current scenario of the B2.

In addition, investigators and attorneys will tell you that many times statements made closer to event are more reliable than statements made later, because there is less time to craft the statements to fit a particular conclusion.

Regarding the initial focus on Burmese suspects, that raises a highly relevant question that has not yet been answered.

If you go back and read the news reports during the first week after the murders, the police said that they picked up 12 initial suspects and interrogated and DNA tested them, and that none of these suspects' DNA matched that found on Hannah.

Included in these 12 suspects, all of whom were released, were 3 Burmese men drinking on the beach that night.

I've not seen any news reports stating that anybody saw 3 different Burmese men drinking on the beach that night and who became suspects other than the B2 and the witness who was with them.

For an observer to properly analyze the case, as well as a judge, it would be extremely important to know if these 3 men who were interrogated, DNA tested, and released right after the murders were in fact the accused B2 and their friend the witness.

I would think that this would be one of the very first things their defense attorney would determine, as well as the prosecutor. Because if the B2 were tested at that time and no match was found, then that blows a devastating hole in the prosecutor's case if it goes to trial.

BTW I'm not talking about the B2 being tested at the time there were photos of one and the witness standing in line ... I'm talking about even earlier than that, a couple of days after the murders.

The problem with your idea here is people cherry pick from the time line.

[spidermike007]

So it wasn't the same cigarette butt and he didn't have sex with Hannah. does this really prove that he's not the guilty party? does this prove that it was not a gang member that had sex with Hannah? does this really prove anything? did we expect any other result? Is any other result possible with a thai family that is worth hundreds of millions of dollars? I think not.

Maybe only when families worth billions of dollars and with interests in the region get involved and say that this state of affairs cannot stand.

You mean somebody demonstrating a slight degree of responsibility on any level whatsoever. Is that what you're referring? Surely somebody can do something that's for sure. Johnny's been jabbering a lot lately but we haven't been seeing any meaningful action.

[spidermike007]

So it wasn't the same cigarette butt and he didn't have sex with Hannah. does this really prove that he's not the guilty party? does this prove that it was not a gang member that had sex with Hannah? does this really prove anything? did we expect any other result? Is any other result possible with a thai family that is worth hundreds of millions of dollars? I think not.

There was a police Lt. General that was a billionaire a few days ago,

now he is a prisoner

dont think these guys are too big to bring down,

they are already on the way down

You are really jumping to conclusions. Only when an arrest is made, the man is brought to trial, and convicted and sentenced to a meaningful time in prison with a massive fine can we then rest and say something has been done. These days an arrest does not mean a whole hell of a lot. Show us. Please do not lecture us, Mr. Big army man.

[JLCrab]

So it wasn't the same cigarette butt and he didn't have sex with Hannah. does this really prove that he's not the guilty party? does this prove that it was not a gang member that had sex with Hannah? does this really prove anything? did we expect any other result? Is any other result possible with a thai family that is worth hundreds of millions of dollars? I think not.

Maybe only when families worth billions of dollars and with interests in the region get involved and say that this state of affairs cannot stand.

You mean somebody demonstrating a slight degree of responsibility on any level whatsoever. Is that what you're referring? Surely somebody can do something that's for sure. Johnny's been jabbering a lot lately but we haven't been seeing any meaningful action.

Maybe not responsibility but purely self-interest.

[thailandchilli]

And again, they were looking at Burmese. Only some DNA had been tested. Etc

and again whats that got to do with the evidence that was destroyed by the Thai's to divert attention to those who were really involved

Then from your quote "tried to"

But you remain focused on people who were eliminated by exculpatory evidence.

Not my quote the quote of the RTP:

"Thais may have been involved in the murders and had tried to destroy evidence linking them to the attacks. Some people on Koh Tao had given false information to police in a bid to divert attention."

Your obviously rattled by the fact that the RTP have admitted that Thai's have tried to destroy evidence and given false info to divert attention, you play around with this as much as you care, I would expect no less from you, however to everyone else its perfectly clear. This statement has never been retracted and stands no matter what new suspects or new evidence comes to light.

Edited November 25, 2014 by thailandchilli

[jabis]

So it wasn't the same cigarette butt and he didn't have sex with Hannah. does this really prove that he's not the guilty party? does this prove that it was not a gang member that had sex with Hannah? does this really prove anything? did we expect any other result? Is any other result possible with a thai family that is worth hundreds of millions of dollars? I think not.

There was a police Lt. General that was a billionaire a few days ago,

now he is a prisoner

dont think these guys are too big to bring down,

they are already on the way down

On the CIB-commissioner a quote from Gen Pumpanmuang: ( http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/779206-royal-thai-police-to-get-new-facelift/ )

“He said all these misdeeds have been known for quite sometime but nobody dare to act as well as the past bosses.

Everybody in the past knows how powerful and influential the CIB commissioner was, but no national police chiefs in the past would take action”.

So with proper allegiances they indeed were too big to bring down.

This just to point out your argument is a bit flawed

[Eirene]

we already know that islandlife is in the employ of the headman,

thus, he "knows" all of them,

and, has communicated via text messaging with Nomsod, after the crime, and somehow knew his new cell number

he also knows Mon,

maybe he also knows Mon was involved and likely was one of the rapists too?

Not via phone , by facebook.

No im not working for him,never have never will dont know him and by the way he's not mayor either. Have been but not long time.

Yes, I do know Mon though for over over 10 years now.

100% shure he wasnt involved.

Islandlife - Would your given name happen to begin with an M?

Edit: Messed up quote.

Edited November 25, 2014 by Eirene

[Bleacher Bum East]

Yes I guessed that would be the case, I have mentioned before how you find it difficult to face the truth, so to save you precious time..........http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-police-fail-another-day-30243890.html

The article is also interesting in that it refers to the Little Duck speedboat and also confirms that the RTP were looking for 2 weapons not just the hoe

Are you really using an article from 8 days into the investigation?

Strangely you skip over the fact that they were looking at Burmese as the primary suspects at that time.

It is in fact incredibly interesting, enlightening and useful in analyzing the case to go back and read all of the statements about the investigation made during the first 10 days or so after the crime was committed.

While there were many speculative and conflicting statements, you can also collect numerous statements of fact made by authorities based on sufficient information to make those statements--including the results of the forensic autopsy and their inferences from those results.

Some of these statements of fact and contemporaneous inferences don't really line up with the current scenario of the B2.

In addition, investigators and attorneys will tell you that many times statements made closer to event are more reliable than statements made later, because there is less time to craft the statements to fit a particular conclusion.

Regarding the initial focus on Burmese suspects, that raises a highly relevant question that has not yet been answered.

If you go back and read the news reports during the first week after the murders, the police said that they picked up 12 initial suspects and interrogated and DNA tested them, and that none of these suspects' DNA matched that found on Hannah.

Included in these 12 suspects, all of whom were released, were 3 Burmese men drinking on the beach that night.

I've not seen any news reports stating that anybody saw 3 different Burmese men drinking on the beach that night and who became suspects other than the B2 and the witness who was with them.

For an observer to properly analyze the case, as well as a judge, it would be extremely important to know if these 3 men who were interrogated, DNA tested, and released right after the murders were in fact the accused B2 and their friend the witness.

I would think that this would be one of the very first things their defense attorney would determine, as well as the prosecutor. Because if the B2 were tested at that time and no match was found, then that blows a devastating hole in the prosecutor's case if it goes to trial.

BTW I'm not talking about the B2 being tested at the time there were photos of one and the witness standing in line ... I'm talking about even earlier than that, a couple of days after the murders.

The problem with your idea here is people cherry pick from the time line.

Yes, I agree with that in some cases.

But you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater and say that because some people cherry pick to support their own conclusion while ignoring what doesn't support it, or that some previous statements were clearly speculative and unreliable, then no information more contemporaneous with the murders is useful.

Better just to point out the cherry picking and the unreliable statements than dismiss all information from the time.

[Islandlife]

No my name is not starting with M

[Eirene]

No my name is not starting with M

K....Thanks.

[Islandlife]

Well hello Eirine not K either im afraid..

[Eirene]

Well hello Eirine not K either im afraid..

Just wondering why you are 100% sure of someone not being involved. We can only be 100% sure of ourselves not being involved unless we were a witness to the crime.

Edit: Hope that this made sense...re-reading it sounds a wee bit confusing. My excuse....been a long day and it's past me bed time.

Edited November 25, 2014 by Eirene

[Islandlife]

Lets re -frame my sentence.

By hundred 100 % i meant i believe him when asked does he know who did it or does he have something to do . Like said known him long time, never believed he involved. But got admit hesitated after all stories have read and thought ill ask directly.

With out blink he said he has no chlue. I believe him.

Edited November 25, 2014 by Islandlife

[Sheryl]

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[jdinasia]

Yes I guessed that would be the case, I have mentioned before how you find it difficult to face the truth, so to save you precious time..........http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-police-fail-another-day-30243890.html

The article is also interesting in that it refers to the Little Duck speedboat and also confirms that the RTP were looking for 2 weapons not just the hoe

Are you really using an article from 8 days into the investigation?

Strangely you skip over the fact that they were looking at Burmese as the primary suspects at that time.

It is in fact incredibly interesting, enlightening and useful in analyzing the case to go back and read all of the statements about the investigation made during the first 10 days or so after the crime was committed.

While there were many speculative and conflicting statements, you can also collect numerous statements of fact made by authorities based on sufficient information to make those statements--including the results of the forensic autopsy and their inferences from those results.

Some of these statements of fact and contemporaneous inferences don't really line up with the current scenario of the B2.

In addition, investigators and attorneys will tell you that many times statements made closer to event are more reliable than statements made later, because there is less time to craft the statements to fit a particular conclusion.

Regarding the initial focus on Burmese suspects, that raises a highly relevant question that has not yet been answered.

If you go back and read the news reports during the first week after the murders, the police said that they picked up 12 initial suspects and interrogated and DNA tested them, and that none of these suspects' DNA matched that found on Hannah.

Included in these 12 suspects, all of whom were released, were 3 Burmese men drinking on the beach that night.

I've not seen any news reports stating that anybody saw 3 different Burmese men drinking on the beach that night and who became suspects other than the B2 and the witness who was with them.

For an observer to properly analyze the case, as well as a judge, it would be extremely important to know if these 3 men who were interrogated, DNA tested, and released right after the murders were in fact the accused B2 and their friend the witness.

I would think that this would be one of the very first things their defense attorney would determine, as well as the prosecutor. Because if the B2 were tested at that time and no match was found, then that blows a devastating hole in the prosecutor's case if it goes to trial.

BTW I'm not talking about the B2 being tested at the time there were photos of one and the witness standing in line ... I'm talking about even earlier than that, a couple of days after the murders.

The problem with your idea here is people cherry pick from the time line.

Yes, I agree with that in some cases.

But you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater and say that because some people cherry pick to support their own conclusion while ignoring what doesn't support it, or that some previous statements were clearly speculative and unreliable, then no information more contemporaneous with the murders is useful.

Better just to point out the cherry picking and the unreliable statements than dismiss all information from the time.

Your answer still relies on cherry picking. New information comes out and it gets ignored by the conspiracy theorists.

[jdinasia]

And again, they were looking at Burmese. Only some DNA had been tested. Etc

and again whats that got to do with the evidence that was destroyed by the Thai's to divert attention to those who were really involved

Then from your quote "tried to"

But you remain focused on people who were eliminated by exculpatory evidence.

Not my quote the quote of the RTP:

"Thais may have been involved in the murders and had tried to destroy evidence linking them to the attacks. Some people on Koh Tao had given false information to police in a bid to divert attention."

Your obviously rattled by the fact that the RTP have admitted that Thai's have tried to destroy evidence and given false info to divert attention, you play around with this as much as you care, I would expect no less from you, however to everyone else its perfectly clear. This statement has never been retracted and stands no matter what new suspects or new evidence comes to light.

Not at all.

I was just pointing out your lie. You changed "tried to" to "destroyed".

Noting of course, that you are cherry picking from a time before the people being talked about were cleared.

[SteveFong]

I will persnally delighted when the futility of your mission is upon you and your cleared friends, are no longer in the clear

the last time the RTP put their foot in their mouth, as their statement that indictments were coming by the end of November

once the boys are out on bail, and safe,

we wil see what they know,

they are well defended now, with a team of 20 lawyers,

all from social media idiots, right jdinaisa

and the Upper House Speaker from the country the US Sec'y of State recently visited before the US President went,

but neither of them came to Thailand

Travel and Leisure has Myannmar the best place in Asia now as well

[thailandchilli]

Jdinasia

Not at all.
I was just pointing out your lie. You changed "tried to" to "destroyed".
Noting of course, that you are cherry picking from a time before the people being talked about were cleared.

Perhaps you are confused with cherry picking and official statements from the RTP that do not agree with your conspiracy. Not surprising. I'll wait for you to quote future cherry picking statements now that you've found a new term to add to your increasing vocabulary keep it up, thats at least half a dozen phrases you've got now.

"Thais may have been involved in the murders and had tried to destroy evidence linking them to the attacks. Some people on Koh Tao had given false information to police in a bid to divert attention."

Edited November 25, 2014 by thailandchilli

[catsanddogs]

Jdinasia

Not at all.

I was just pointing out your lie. You changed "tried to" to "destroyed".

Noting of course, that you are cherry picking from a time before the people being talked about were cleared.

Perhaps you are confused with cherry picking and official statements from the RTP that do not agree with your conspiracy. Not surprising. I'll wait for you to quote future cherry picking statements now that you've found a new term to add to your increasing vocabulary keep it up, thats at least half a dozen phrases you've got now.

Your immaturity is so tiring JD. I think a break from the forum might do you good.

[Jai Dee]

Enough of the petty bickering, flaming, and baiting.

Back on topic please.

[boomerangutang]

Plus I am the one of the only people not promoting a conspiracy

Are you practicing for a stand-up comedy routine?

The theories on this forum are not propagated by extremists; most of us are here with a common coal, TRUTH AND JUSTICE. I can't see this going to trial, if that happens, it will make a bad situation a thousand times worse.

Worse, for the powers-that-be. That's why they're having such a problem stitching together a somewhat-viable frame-up scenario to convict the B2. If it weren't for the scrutiny of tens of thousands of netizens, they could just railroad the B2 to guilty verdicts and be done with it. That's what they were aiming for, when the 2nd police chief took charge. Remember that? Withing hours 3 Burmese were nabbed and in a 'safe-house' getting tortured with no lawyer - to sign a paper they couldn't read. Hours after that, it was declared their DNA matched. Hours after that was the farcical reenactment. Speaking of that, I saw a photo where the one smaller guy was being escorted by a cop on each side (along the beach during the reenactment). Two sets of arms were manipulating him. Even a marionette has just one or two hands controlling it. The kid had four controlling hands.

[thailandchilli]

Conspiracy

Conspiracy a body or band of conspirators

A secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act

Hand in glove. Intimately associated, on very familiar terms; closely related or connected; in cahoots, in conspiracy

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conspiracy

I'm comfortable labeling this term on the RTP investigation thus far and those who support it

Edited November 25, 2014 by thailandchilli

[kcirtapyelrah]

Plus I am the one of the only people not promoting a conspiracy

Are you practicing for a stand-up comedy routine?

The theories on this forum are not propagated by extremists; most of us are here with a common coal, TRUTH AND JUSTICE. I can't see this going to trial, if that happens, it will make a bad situation a thousand times worse.

Worse, for the powers-that-be. That's why they're having such a problem stitching together a somewhat-viable frame-up scenario to convict the B2. If it weren't for the scrutiny of tens of thousands of netizens, they could just railroad the B2 to guilty verdicts and be done with it. That's what they were aiming for, when the 2nd police chief took charge. Remember that? Withing hours 3 Burmese were nabbed and in a 'safe-house' getting tortured with no lawyer - to sign a paper they couldn't read. Hours after that, it was declared their DNA matched. Hours after that was the farcical reenactment. Speaking of that, I saw a photo where the one smaller guy was being escorted by a cop on each side (along the beach during the reenactment). Two sets of arms were manipulating him. Even a marionette has just one or two hands controlling it. The kid had four controlling hands.

They can't take it to trial, it will highlight their incompetence a thousand fold,

[Krenjai]

They can't take it to trial, it will highlight their incompetence a thousand fold,

Agreed, but they also can't afford to not take it to trial....remember the case was perfect!

Not taking this to trial means losing face as pointed out earlier.

[kcirtapyelrah]

They can't take it to trial, it will highlight their incompetence a thousand fold,

Agreed, but they also can't afford to not take it to trial....remember the case was perfect!

Not taking this to trial means losing face as pointed out earlier.

We'll just have to wait and see won't we!

[DennisF]

I will still say that the people own and who run the 4 & 5 star resorts on Koh Tao would not be happy knowing that clan-type persons are responsible for the murders and the case is yet to be resolved.

which resorts are those?

and, are they not a part of the same "mafia?"

They have never been mentioned as having the same ownership but forget that one. This case -- if it ever comes to trial regardless of who is charged -- will be tried in the Surathani Provincial court on Koh Samui. Do you really think the billionaire hotel operators on Samui -- who would be beholden to the same court in a criminal or civil matter should such arise -- would be happy to know that such court could be manipulated by a bungalow operator on Koh Tao?

I am happy you have begun to debate, you have some interesting viewpoints.

The hotels on the island, 1 star or do not own the land they are on and probably pay an annual lease fee to one of the families as they are the only people who can lease out land.

Not sure which hotels you are referring to but the up[per market hotels have absent shareholders and I know you know how corporate entities are set up in Thailand so the owners may be between a rock and a hard place.

[simonuk]

I cba to dig through pages to find something you quote without citation.

Yes I guessed that would be the case, I have mentioned before how you find it difficult to face the truth, so to save you precious time..........http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-police-fail-another-day-30243890.html

The article is also interesting in that it refers to the Little Duck speedboat and also confirms that the RTP were looking for 2 weapons not just the hoe

Are you really using an article from 8 days into the investigation?

Strangely you skip over the fact that they were looking at Burmese as the primary suspects at that time.

Oh yeah , he is using an old article. Quotes that are in that article are significant.

The don't go away after just a few days just because you want them to. That's the beauty of the Internet.

Things were said and done and we will not forget. Ever.

Edited November 25, 2014 by simonuk

[jdinasia]

I cba to dig through pages to find something you quote without citation.

Yes I guessed that would be the case, I have mentioned before how you find it difficult to face the truth, so to save you precious time..........http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-police-fail-another-day-30243890.html

The article is also interesting in that it refers to the Little Duck speedboat and also confirms that the RTP were looking for 2 weapons not just the hoe

Are you really using an article from 8 days into the investigation?

Strangely you skip over the fact that they were looking at Burmese as the primary suspects at that time.

Oh yeah , he is using an article 8 days old. Quotes that are in that article are significant.

The don't go away after just a few days just because you want them to. That's the beauty of the Internet.

Things were said and done and we will not forget. Ever.

Not 8 days old.. More than 2 months old.

Totally ignoring the reports which came after.

[CharlieH]

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