DNA results from Ko Tao village head’s son don't match traces on slain British tourists

[changnaam]

No, David's shorts have since been confirmed in photos at the crime scene.

Unlikely that Mon would have run to look at the crime scene at that time since it was apparently only discovered later by beach cleaners. (Well, that is of course, if you believe his family was not involved!)

I'll take your word on the shorts, just remember them being talked a lot about at the start.

There was certainly an early report him stating he had been woken up, maybe that was after the cleaners had found the crime scene.

[thailandchilli]

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Whether or not you believe that this boy did it is down to pure speculation. Yes the RTP aren't to be trusted in most cases but condemning a man based on conjecture is no better than what we complain about with the police here anyway.

I'm not sure if I believe the lads from Myanmar are guilty or not. I just think that this investigation has been so badly run that nobody will ever agree with anything that is reported.

I, for one am not suggesting the boy did it or did not do it. What most people want is for him to be independently and transparently DNA tested - to 'eliminate him from enquiries' as we Brits like to say, and given the chain of circumstances, this can only be done by the UK police. That the police spokesman felt the need to stress that there was no need for the UK police to become involved, only tends to suggest that there most certainly is a need.

An 'independent' test that was undertaken with an untainted sample of the DNA that was found on Hannah would not only reveal whether Nomsod was involved but also if any of Nomsods family was involved

mm no wonder the RTP did not want the Brits to get a copy of the test from Nomsod, if they got their hands on that then they would also have the whole Nomsod family dna which includes being able to detect even distant cousins

[Gweiloman]

So did the brit cops quietly go back to england then?

No one knows, I've seen no reports on their whereabouts, guess we could start a 'real' conspiracy theory and speculate that they've been done away with by the RTP for getting to close to the real killers

It's strange that there were quite a few articles covering their arrival to Thailand but nothing since then. I wonder if there is a news blackout and if so, why?

Weren't they supposed to spend only a week or so here?

[boomerangutang]

If Thai officials are maintaining a cover-up / frame-up / shielding the headman's family (all of which I strongly suspect they're doing), then they want Brit experts to do as little as possible. Hence shackling them with 'observer' status (not assisting) and Thais not sharing Nomsod's (or anyone else's) DNA profile, ....and probably not sharing other useful info.

I can understand Brit experts maintaining press silence, but it's a bit frustrating for those of us who would like updates. One possibility: even if Brits find evidence of a cover-up/frame-up by Thai officials, the Brits may opt for the diplomatic way out of the mess, and simply state something like, "Whereas we don't completely agree with the methods and findings of our fellow Thai investigators, we don't have enough hard data to refute their findings." If so, it won't be a completely honest assessment, but it will reflect diplomatic proclivities as they see them. Simply put: it's more important to maintain chummy relations with Thailand, than to gain justice for the murders/rape. In case anyone is in doubt: The Thai PM, and all his yes-men are on record as fully supporting the investigation. They've invested a lot of political stock in the status quo of the investigation being maintained. Proof of a cover-up would cause immediate cracks in their marble pedestals.

What would happen immediately (after a British claim of botched investigation) is Thai MP saying something like; "well, it's been two teams of investigators, each having a differing opinion." ....and hoping the general public soon loses interest, as it does so often in other high-profile criminal cases where Thai officials have screwed up.

BTW, JD and JTJ will never eat crow, no matter what transpires with this case. Even if it's proven to be be a botched frame up of the Burmese, the two RTP echoers will simply say something like; "all we ever wanted, all along, was justice." ...which wouldn't be true.

[jdinasia]

Always gracious of you to decide what I think or will do.

[SteveFong]

Does the PM have that authority to interefere with old cases?

I have seen several statements he has made that he spcifically does not want to interfere in the judicial system

praising the police and promising them a bonus, is into the same as cracking in to old cases

Praising the police and rewarding them is in no way similar interfering in the Judiciary.

It is a way to deal with rifts between the military and the police

I completely agree with what JD said in his second sentence, and think that is a large part of the internal dynamic at play in this case.

Whether self-appointed or elected, civilian or military, no leader can maintain control and govern without some level of internal political and external public support.

The PM may have taken power in a coup, but he still needs that support.

The PM has many different things to balance in achieving and maintaining his support—including internal power politics, vested interests, Thai public opinion, the economy including tourism and foreign investment, international opinion, etc. They all affect his ability to effectively achieve his agenda, so they all matter to him whether he admits so publicly or not.

The PM has said that one of his intentions is to “bring the people together” and stop the bickering within Thailand. Two of the groups that have previously had friction are the military and the police.

The PM needs the political and practical support of the police—at least some of them with influence; they are a key part of his government and he cannot govern and achieve his agenda without them.

The PM saw the Koh Tao investigation as an opportunity to embrace the police and gain their support, so he took a chance and endorsed the investigation and initial results.

If at the end of the day, the investigation makes the PM look good, then that will have positive ramifications for all the things he cares about, and his initial endorsement of the police and their investigation will have paid off.

But if at the end of the day the PM is made to look bad and there is negative effects on Thai public support, international support, the economy due to a drop in foreign investment and tourism, etc., then he absolutely will care about those negative effects, and there will be serious internal ramifications whether we ever see or hear about them or not.

It is too early to tell what will happen. If the end results are good, then the preliminary missteps may be forgotten. If they are not, then they will linger for quite a while.

Since the prosecutor hasn't even accepted a case yet, there is currently no way to know how this will all end.

The PM saw the Kho Tap case as a way to embrace the police?

what?

before the police chief was "promoted" the case was going in an entirely different direction, was it not?

before rhe police chief was "promoted" the PM was laughing about girls wearing bikini's not being safe, did he not?

The PM may not look at tourism websites, or even Thai Visa, but from all the advertising I have seen about "beautiful exotic Thailnd"

it is always white girls in bikini's

perhaps next to all those ads, should be the video clip of the PM laughing about a raped and mulitlated face of a British girl, next to those ads of the white girls frolicking in their bikini's?

you think that is what the PM meant, when he "appointed" a new police chief?

[kcirtapyelrah]

If Thai officials are maintaining a cover-up / frame-up / shielding the headman's family (all of which I strongly suspect they're doing), then they want Brit experts to do as little as possible. Hence shackling them with 'observer' status (not assisting) and Thais not sharing Nomsod's (or anyone else's) DNA profile, ....and probably not sharing other useful info.

I can understand Brit experts maintaining press silence, but it's a bit frustrating for those of us who would like updates. One possibility: even if Brits find evidence of a cover-up/frame-up by Thai officials, the Brits may opt for the diplomatic way out of the mess, and simply state something like, "Whereas we don't completely agree with the methods and findings of our fellow Thai investigators, we don't have enough hard data to refute their findings." If so, it won't be a completely honest assessment, but it will reflect diplomatic proclivities as they see them. Simply put: it's more important to maintain chummy relations with Thailand, than to gain justice for the murders/rape. In case anyone is in doubt: The Thai PM, and all his yes-men are on record as fully supporting the investigation. They've invested a lot of political stock in the status quo of the investigation being maintained. Proof of a cover-up would cause immediate cracks in their marble pedestals.

What would happen immediately (after a British claim of botched investigation) is Thai MP saying something like; "well, it's been two teams of investigators, each having a differing opinion." ....and hoping the general public soon loses interest, as it does so often in other high-profile criminal cases where Thai officials have screwed up.

BTW, JD and JTJ will never eat crow, no matter what transpires with this case. Even if it's proven to be be a botched frame up of the Burmese, the two RTP echoers will simply say something like; "all we ever wanted, all along, was justice." ...which wouldn't be true.

Your probably hitting the nail right on the head there, good fellow.

[SteveFong]

A second autopsy may have occurred in the UK. I would not expect it to point to nor exclude any suspects.

I would expect it to attempt to pinpoint a cause of death, and to include a toxicology report.

You may 'not expect it to point to nor exclude any suspects' - yet the results of an autopsy may indeed do that - particularly when additional bits of evidence come forth. Perhaps you meant to say 'I would not want it to point to any suspects'. Because it appears you're hell-bent on shielding the headman's family from being thoroughly investigated.

I would not expect them to attempt any independent DNA testing.

Nor to attempt to investigate corruption.

Both are outside of the mandate they have.

It's clear you and JTJ would like to see UK experts hamstrung in what they can or cannot do. It fits with shielding the headman's family from any type of thorough investigation. There are not-so-clear legal protocols and there are some not-so-clear diplomatic considerations which are being dealt with. Thus far the Brits have been quiet and playing their cards close to the chest. In my view, the Brits have been too wimpish in their eagerness to avoid any Thai officials losing face. Whether the Brits will continue being so pussy-footed and allowing Thai officialdom to officially speak for them (Brits) in press conference remains to be seen. I think (and hope) Brit officials will find their voice and speak up for truth and justice - hopefully sooner than later. One dire result of not speaking up, could be the Burmese scapegoats getting found guilty and sentenced to death (all or partially due to retracting their sworn confessions).

we have seen articles for years where foreigners are forced to sign confessions in a language they couldn't read, from an interpreter they didn't understand, in order to not be sentenced to something more harsh, like death,

this case has homed in the spotlight on that practice

[Bleacher Bum East]

Does the PM have that authority to interefere with old cases?

I have seen several statements he has made that he spcifically does not want to interfere in the judicial system

praising the police and promising them a bonus, is into the same as cracking in to old cases

Praising the police and rewarding them is in no way similar interfering in the Judiciary.

It is a way to deal with rifts between the military and the police

I completely agree with what JD said in his second sentence, and think that is a large part of the internal dynamic at play in this case.

Whether self-appointed or elected, civilian or military, no leader can maintain control and govern without some level of internal political and external public support.

The PM may have taken power in a coup, but he still needs that support.

The PM has many different things to balance in achieving and maintaining his support—including internal power politics, vested interests, Thai public opinion, the economy including tourism and foreign investment, international opinion, etc. They all affect his ability to effectively achieve his agenda, so they all matter to him whether he admits so publicly or not.

The PM has said that one of his intentions is to “bring the people together” and stop the bickering within Thailand. Two of the groups that have previously had friction are the military and the police.

The PM needs the political and practical support of the police—at least some of them with influence; they are a key part of his government and he cannot govern and achieve his agenda without them.

The PM saw the Koh Tao investigation as an opportunity to embrace the police and gain their support, so he took a chance and endorsed the investigation and initial results.

If at the end of the day, the investigation makes the PM look good, then that will have positive ramifications for all the things he cares about, and his initial endorsement of the police and their investigation will have paid off.

But if at the end of the day the PM is made to look bad and there is negative effects on Thai public support, international support, the economy due to a drop in foreign investment and tourism, etc., then he absolutely will care about those negative effects, and there will be serious internal ramifications whether we ever see or hear about them or not.

It is too early to tell what will happen. If the end results are good, then the preliminary missteps may be forgotten. If they are not, then they will linger for quite a while.

Since the prosecutor hasn't even accepted a case yet, there is currently no way to know how this will all end.

The PM saw the Kho Tap case as a way to embrace the police?

what?

before the police chief was "promoted" the case was going in an entirely different direction, was it not?

before rhe police chief was "promoted" the PM was laughing about girls wearing bikini's not being safe, did he not?

The PM may not look at tourism websites, or even Thai Visa, but from all the advertising I have seen about "beautiful exotic Thailnd"

it is always white girls in bikini's

perhaps next to all those ads, should be the video clip of the PM laughing about a raped and mulitlated face of a British girl, next to those ads of the white girls frolicking in their bikini's?

you think that is what the PM meant, when he "appointed" a new police chief?

I think exactly what I said.

Passion against injustice is important to fight injustice.

But so is an objective look at the reality of a situation where a potential injustice may occur.

If you have the first without the second, you may end up hurting your cause more than you help it.

The PM had just named a new national police chief (not the one you are referring to).

For many reasons that go far beyond this case, he needs the support of his chosen police chief and other high ranking officers.

He could not afford to alienate his newly appointed police chief and the police force by publicly undermining the Koh Tao investigation.

In my last post and this post, I didn't characterize this as a good thing . . . I just stated my view of reality to help provide some perspective about what may be going on behind the scenes.

What goes on behind the scenes could have a major impact on the outcome of this case.

If someone really wants to help and not just rant, it is important to understand what is happening as well as rally for the cause.

That's my opinion.

[SteveFong]

This case is not in their playbook,

There was never the backlash like this, with Facebook and several ex pat websites, and all the international coverage

and an uproar over the way things have been handled,

I understand they have more important things to do,

but this has been undermined, repeatedly, at every level

including the "alleged" beatings of random Burmese who refused to lie

if the British detectives have found any of them, there is more bombshells coming

I am surprised that this hasn't gone to a prosecution yet,

I am also surprised we aren't hearing from the lawyers demanding the two be released

[thailandchilli]

Burmese Embassy have now officially requested that the case be re investigated with a new team of officials. Can't link to the reports as they are from the B.P and P.W

However I can't see any difference being made with this statement although it does keep the pressure up which is a good thing. I just wish the British Embassy would do the same

[asiamaster]

I said exactly what I meant.

If you don't like the realities of international law and British law, might I suggest a career change for you?

I hope you and your 2 mates are fully investiagated if these lawyers get there way and a full new investigation is launched I feel sick watching replies knowing that you may have a motive and are assisting in trying to get these young boys jailed.

Why don't you read back over every post from when this has started you and your 2 mates have tried your hardest to discredit other posters that are trying to get to the bottom of this.

Not once have you given support saying oh this may be wrong you just continue on an on.

What a miserable way to spend 24 hours a day and especially if these boys are proven innocent.

Have some thought for the families and the accused , it very likely this case will be proven that the young boys were scape goats and you and your 2 mates will have egg on your face.

And don't carry on about DNA start thinking about corrupt police and officials and if it is possible some thing is not right.

You and your 2 mates have not gone unoticed and should be really carefull if you are protecting families people will want to why.

Yes rational thinkers with strong intuition may come across as coldhearted but that's because they think with their brains instead of feel with their heart.

[jdinasia]

That either of the last 2 things surprise you shows that you have no real understanding of the legal process in Thailand.

It is not uncommon for a case to be sent back to the investigators.

While a remand warrant is in effect from the court it is not contested. When it is reviewed every 12 days it is contested.

[SteveFong]

there is nothing new about these cases,

what is new, is that the RTP is exposed, and they think they can unexpose, but this is like being infected with AIDS,

but just in the beginning

[Eirene]

Does anyone know if they have street cleaners that clean the streets,outside businesses,garbage etc. in Koh Tao in the wee hours of the morning?

[boomerangutang]

Burmese Embassy have now officially requested that the case be re investigated with a new team of officials. Can't link to the reports as they are from the B.P and P.W

However I can't see any difference being made with this statement although it does keep the pressure up which is a good thing. I just wish the British Embassy would do the same

The PM could have assigned Ms Porntip to head the investigation, but here are some of the obvious reasons that hasn't happened:

>>> Headman's family would flip out. Obviously they don't want investigators who can't be heavily influenced and/or paid-off.

>>> An honest and professional investigation would likely reveal the cover-up / frame-up in all its ugliness. No police or military brass would want that.

>>> there might be some quick departures from Thailand, by people connected to the headman.

[EddieHaskel]

In September, the police did arrest the headman's brother and were chasing down the son in Bangkok. Both were caught on CCTV.

Somethings wrong.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run/

"Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders."

[boomerangutang]

Does anyone know if they have street cleaners that clean the streets,outside businesses,garbage etc. in Koh Tao in the wee hours of the morning?

Just before the replacement top cop was assigned by Bangkok to take charge of the investigation, there were one or two locals like that (mentioned above) who claimed they were put under pressure by police to make false witness statements. We don't know much more than that, but it's likely they were pressured to add credence to the frame-up of the Burmese 2. Not surprisingly we hear nothing more about it - right after they went public with their claims.

[boomerangutang]

In September, the police did arrest the headman's brother and were chasing down the son in Bangkok. Both were caught on CCTV.

Somethings wrong.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run/

"Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders."

Yes, thanks for the reminder. The island Big Shot, when he realized his brother and son were prime suspects, went in to emergency mode. We don't know whether he started spending some of his ample amounts of baht (and using other aspects of his impressive influence) to get local Thai cops to drop the two from being suspects, but it's no stretch of the imagination to picture that happening.

A key aspect of all the DNA talk is whether the DNA profiles from the victim are what Thai police brass say it is. If bosses wanted to use the Burmeses' DNA profile and falsely label it also as 'DNA from the crime scene,' it wouldn't be difficult to arrange. If that happened, then all the DNA claims since then, would fit with what we've been hearing in official press releases. It would also fit with Thai officials NOT wanting to share DNA data with British 'observers.' ....and would also partly explain why prosecutors (who dearly want guilty verdicts for the Burmese 2) keep sending the police reports back for revisions.

[SteveFong]

the frame case died when the star witnesses refused to say their friends were there but were instead, sleeping like babies from their cheap wine

no prosecutor is going forward after the accused were identified as being in their beds, during the period of the crimes

[Islandlife]

Absolute bs and speculation with out eny of the facts.

He the brother never really was a subject ,for litle while that day bcase of mis understandment of comment from mr mcanna "he did it"

who him self also has said that he didnt mean the murders he meant if he dies that night in supermarket its guys in picture who did .

Why they were chacing him ,was bcase he went to ac bar fumingly drunk after week bender and after all thiss has happened shouting all sorts of accusation and when the brother said u seem to have something to hide we know u have blood in your hands wich they had been told by worker of some other bar at other end of beach, that he had asked for help clean blood and had similar cuts. after that situation at night he run a way from ac and thai boys thought he accidently panicked and confessed.thats when was calling to sky news ,i find it weird if you think you gonna get killed is it news u want call first????

Later thought its cleared that he got hes injuries day before murders,similar cuts thought then david and he said got them by motorbike???

Why u think that sean mcanna been quiet since ,does he have something to hide or is he just a nother false story,attension seeker??

Ive not seen single video of nomsod been in koh tao and if you really think someone local here could bribe everyone all the way to top u are truly delucional.

I dont know what happened but know for 100 % shure brother have nothing else to do with case then last bungalow of hes resort is 50 m away from crime scene and that nomsod really was in Bk.

U can tvist it as much u guys want but its the truth.

[BritTim]

the frame case died when the star witnesses refused to say their friends were there but were instead, sleeping like babies from their cheap wine

no prosecutor is going forward after the accused were identified as being in their beds, during the period of the crimes

Firstly, I do not believe the Burmese kids are guilty. However, what you are saying is not an accurate reflection of the of the witness's testimony according to the (unconfirmed) reports in the media. That (unconfirmed) testimony was that he was asleep when the Burmese kids returned, but he saw them asleep when he awoke in the morning,with no indication of anything unusual. This is not good for the prosecution (if this is really the witness's testimony) but does not amount to an alibi.

[Eirene]

Does anyone know if they have street cleaners that clean the streets,outside businesses,garbage etc. in Koh Tao in the wee hours of the morning?

Just before the replacement top cop was assigned by Bangkok to take charge of the investigation, there were one or two locals like that (mentioned above) who claimed they were put under pressure by police to make false witness statements. We don't know much more than that, but it's likely they were pressured to add credence to the frame-up of the Burmese 2. Not surprisingly we hear nothing more about it - right after they went public with their claims.

Thanks for the reply. The reason I asked is that if you look closely the seated man in one of the stills of the running man looks like he has a broom. This leads me to think that perhaps the regular cleaner in front of that business might know who it is.

[Eirene]

the frame case died when the star witnesses refused to say their friends were there but were instead, sleeping like babies from their cheap wine

no prosecutor is going forward after the accused were identified as being in their beds, during the period of the crimes

Firstly, I do not believe the Burmese kids are guilty. However, what you are saying is not an accurate reflection of the of the witness's testimony according to the (unconfirmed) reports in the media. That (unconfirmed) testimony was that he was asleep when the Burmese kids returned, but he saw them asleep when he awoke in the morning,with no indication of anything unusual. This is not good for the prosecution (if this is really the witness's testimony) but does not amount to an alibi.

According to the translation of this interview after his release he went to his girlfriends and returned at 5:40 am.

MC Ko Myo Ko RFA : Where are you now ,Ko Mg Mg ?

KMM(Ko Mg Mg) : I am now Sou....(not clear)

RFA : hello . . hello . .(over the phone)

KMM : There were polices at least two or three to guard me .But last night there was no police at Sa... bangalow .So I think I am not safe and went to embassy .

RFA : What did the ask you at pre-trail yesterday ?

KMM : They asked me how much I know about the case.I answered I know what I know and I don't know what I don't know .I don't tell anything that I am not sure and tell everything what I know surely.I think they satisfied with me and accepted what I told them are truth.

RFA : why did they order you to appear as a witness and how much do you know about the case?

KMM : Because Win and Zaw are my friends and I drank beer with them near the crime scene that night.I went to my girlfriend after I finished beer .It was around 2AM .They stayed there. When I came back to my room about 5:40 ,they were sleeping. I did not know anything about the crime that night .Even in the next morning I didn't know what was happening although I saw many polices when I went to work and thought it was not my business . Polices said my hair style is like the running man on CCTV and asked me to run in front of CCTV .They released me then saying it is not me. At 1st October ,two police came to call me .I went along with them with no worries as I didn't do any wrong. Later I become a witness as I am friends of Win and Zaw and drank beer together with them.

RFA : While you were detained , were you beaten?

KMM : Yes.I was beaten three times. And I was given only two meal , a box of milk and two pieces of chaquay in three day while I was detained in Koh Tao.

RFA : How do you think about the translator when you were detained ? Can you please tell how he is?

KMM : I told him "I know I will be killed if somebody want ,but I will tell you what I know and I can't tell what I don't known.",at the very first.So, he did not threaten me and do nothing although polices beat me.

RFA : Now Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Tun are arrested for the murder .How do you think of them?

KMM : I don't believe they kill .Yesterday at court too ,I did not tell anything that is not true although they confessed at first .I don't believe they kill a human .And ,if you compare them with the two victims,they are a lot weaker in everything than the victims.

RFA : How do you feel about this case when your two friends are arrested and you were also detained ?

KMM : We asked Myanmars who are not concern with the case to go away before they arrest because me and many Myanmar nationals are arrested and torture by police.It is worst if you don't have a passport ,especially to Myanmars who run when they see a police as they don't have any legal documents .I have tried hard at my work,but now nothing of my hope for my life happens.

RFA : Now what do you plan to do and do you have a contact with your family?

KMM : I have determined to go back to Myanmar.My father ,mother and family are also willing me to come back and want to see me.I will go back to my village.

RFA : Where were you born ,Ko Mg Mg?

KMM : I am from Yathay Taung ,Rakhine State.

RFA : Thank you ,Ko Mg Mg for telling us .

[BoristheBlade]

Mr Mon needs to be independently DNA ASAP, he needs to explain where he was at the time of the murders, he needs to explain why he encroached on a crime scene, he need to explain why he threatened a member of the public's life in a convenience store.

Absolute bs and speculation with out eny of the facts.

He the brother never really was a subject ,for litle while that day bcase of mis understandment of comment from mr mcanna "he did it"
who him self also has said that he didnt mean the murders he meant if he dies that night in supermarket its guys in picture who did .

Why they were chacing him ,was bcase he went to ac bar fumingly drunk after week bender and after all thiss has happened shouting all sorts of accusation and when the brother said u seem to have something to hide we know u have blood in your hands wich they had been told by worker of some other bar at other end of beach, that he had asked for help clean blood and had similar cuts. after that situation at night he run a way from ac and thai boys thought he accidently panicked and confessed.thats when was calling to sky news ,i find it weird if you think you gonna get killed is it news u want call first????

Later thought its cleared that he got hes injuries day before murders,similar cuts thought then david and he said got them by motorbike???

Why u think that sean mcanna been quiet since ,does he have something to hide or is he just a nother false story,attension seeker??

Ive not seen single video of nomsod been in koh tao and if you really think someone local here could bribe everyone all the way to top u are truly delucional.

I dont know what happened but know for 100 % shure brother have nothing else to do with case then last bungalow of hes resort is 50 m away from crime scene and that nomsod really was in Bk.

U can tvist it as much u guys want but its the truth.

[SteveFong]

the kids are clean, all 3

time to let them out and go after the true barbarous ".killers of Kho Tao."

[boomerangutang]

Absolute bs and speculation with out eny of the facts.

He the brother never really was a subject ,for litle while that day bcase of mis understandment of comment from mr mcanna "he did it"

who him self also has said that he didnt mean the murders he meant if he dies that night in supermarket its guys in picture who did .

Why they were chacing him ,was bcase he went to ac bar fumingly drunk after week bender and after all thiss has happened shouting all sorts of accusation and when the brother said u seem to have something to hide we know u have blood in your hands wich they had been told by worker of some other bar at other end of beach, that he had asked for help clean blood and had similar cuts. after that situation at night he run a way from ac and thai boys thought he accidently panicked and confessed.thats when was calling to sky news ,i find it weird if you think you gonna get killed is it news u want call first????

Later thought its cleared that he got hes injuries day before murders,similar cuts thought then david and he said got them by motorbike???

Why u think that sean mcanna been quiet since ,does he have something to hide or is he just a nother false story,attension seeker??

Ive not seen single video of nomsod been in koh tao and if you really think someone local here could bribe everyone all the way to top u are truly delucional.

I dont know what happened but know for 100 % shure brother have nothing else to do with case then last bungalow of hes resort is 50 m away from crime scene and that nomsod really was in Bk.

U can tvist it as much u guys want but its the truth.

Interesting that you drag Sean back in to the fray. You quote Sean as being credible in some aspects, yet as being a liar in others. I agree Sean would be a key witness, yet that's why Thai officials and headman's family want him far away and silent. He's the joker in the deck. He could blow the case wide open and very possibly implicate the headman's family. But it comes back to the issue of whether he's believable or not. For people who want to shield the headman's family, he's believable on some things, and a bullshiter on others. For those who believe the headman's people should be prime supects, it's the other way around.

Regardless, it's quite possible he's been interviewed by Brit authorities, and I'd be surprised if some of his sworn testimony was not brought in to the mix later on.

Islandllife says he doesn't know what happened, yet in the same sentence says he's '100% sure' about some things. From what he writes, he sounds like he's connected to (or one of) the headman's people who should be top suspects.

As for why Sean split from Thailand so suddenly? it's a two-part answer:

>>> he feared for his well being. He knew too much about the crimes scenario and therefore important people were willing to harm or kill him for revealing things.

>>> Cops, who are hand-in-hand with headman's family, didn't want him around for same reasons.

I also believe at least one Thai cop was involved in the crime (part of the reason: the punch-blade which killed David) and the person wielding the murder weapon knew the best places to cut someone in order to kill: jugular vein in side of neck. That's something a cop would know, and a punch-blade is the type of weapon a cop or a member of a mafia-type family would carry around. Most of the blade punctures were in David's neck, just where the jugular vein is. It was also a cop who, along with Mon, threatened Sean's life if Sean told any of what he knew about the crime.

[Islandlife]

I can explain last 2 , he got waken up by myanmar cleaner who founded bodies, then he stayed there called police to scene and thats all . U must also remember this kind of shit dont happen here so my quess is police is was bit lost at start wich explains meny commenting. At europe they would have one pr police who gives all statements.

Sean mcanna again was compulsive liar and was never threatened but was chased to super market bcase they actually thought he accidently confessed. Even western bar manager opposite of supermarket and girl working at market said he was going around like a mad man all over the shop.

They called police not mr mcanna at start. But as in 3-4 am at morning when this happened after

mr mc anna had been drinking heavily around the clock . Hes delucional stories carried him even deeper. Police man who arrived was in civil clothes and even he shoved badge bcase he had gun . This idiot created a story hes from mafia and there 2 kill him...

Finally 2 officers arrived in uniform and this guy left the market.

But damage was done hes post was spreading and suddenly it was mafia trying kill him.

Ridiculous,absolutely ridiculous.

Even the sky news reporter later admitted he got fooled by Sean and by the way .

Where is he now ?? !! ??

[jdinasia]

Burmese Embassy have now officially requested that the case be re investigated with a new team of officials. Can't link to the reports as they are from the B.P and P.W

However I can't see any difference being made with this statement although it does keep the pressure up which is a good thing. I just wish the British Embassy would do the same

The PM could have assigned Ms Porntip to head the investigation, but here are some of the obvious reasons that hasn't happened:

>>> Headman's family would flip out. Obviously they don't want investigators who can't be heavily influenced and/or paid-off.

>>> An honest and professional investigation would likely reveal the cover-up / frame-up in all its ugliness. No police or military brass would want that.

>>> there might be some quick departures from Thailand, by people connected to the headman.

In fact, Pornthip could not be assigned to head the investigation.

She could have been sent in to deal with the forensics.

Perhaps after the GT200 fiasco that sent the man selling them to jail for 10 years in the UK, it was deemed unwise to do so.

[boomerangutang]

Mr Mon needs to be independently DNA ASAP, he needs to explain where he was at the time of the murders, he needs to explain why he encroached on a crime scene, he need to explain why he threatened a member of the public's life in a convenience store.

He was DNA tested early on and the test results were quick and (surprise!) he was cleared. As for asking him questions: he was interviewed for 3 hours early in the investigation. Both then, and any time after, do you think he's going to answer any questions honestly if he and/or his nephew were involved in the crime? Mon is not stupid and he can't be coerced (he's rich, is already well-connected and he knows torture is not allowed). Here's a sample Q&A with Mon:

cop: "were you involved in the crime on the beach?"

Mon: "no."

cop: "do you know who was?"

Mon: "no."

end of interview.