Koh Tao Murder: Rights Agency Threatens Legal Action Against Police

[CapFarmer]

The crime should have been given to Police General Seripisut to handle.

The forensics to Porntip.

The amount of evidence left behind would have meant a speedy,correct outcome.

Why would Khunying Pornthip be acceptable? Think GT200.

Wasn't the GT200 used to conduct the DNA testing in this case?

[jdinasia]

Step away from the bottle

[alantheembalmer]

"....................but police refused on the grounds that any testimony given to the rights commission may affect the ongoing murder investigation."

For once I have to agree with the RTP on this point. If it transpires that the Burmese were tortured whilst in police custody to confess, then it couldn't do anything else but affect the investigation!

[Si Thea01]

how many times can these buffoons shoot themselves in the foot and still think they have a strong case against these 2 boys. If we could be shown actual evidence and not the made up crap they keep spraying around now people might start to listen but with all the allegations and retractions, bullsh*t dna tests etc this will never end in anything but a heap of sh*t.

I do not like the way this has been going but you need to wake up a little. Are you an investigator, a member of the court, a government official or just a plain old farang ex-pat.

What right do you or anyone have to state, "If we could be shown actual evidence" No Police force in the world has to or would show any of its evidence to civilians, nor do they have to explain their investigation to you.

It is very unfortunate that the investigation from beginning to now leaves a lot to be desired and that there have been many misleading statements issued but let's not, as civilians, try to be judge and jury in this matter. If somewhere down the track it is found that someone or a number of persons have acted inappropriately or even criminally, then they could face criminal charges.

The law in Thailand is far different from the west, so we need to take this into consideration and be very careful on how it is commented on. One can note the differences and possibly the lack of knowledge and understanding throughout the inquiry but to go on and on with crude remarks in an attempt to state one's case is not the way to debate the matter.

I can understand the reactions being expressed here but none of us know the full extent of what is going on, so how can we say for sure they are innocent or guilty. We were not there. None of us know the extent of the investigations, what has been or has not been uncovered, the amount of incriminating evidence, yet many are lambasting the police basing their assumptions and speculation on conflicting statements issued by Police and some poor reporting by journalists. Unless they are proven to be out and out liars then no one should intimate they are until it is proven one way or another.

Sure the alleged offenders made admissions and then recanted them alleging they were threatened and bashed but has anyone, hospital, doctors lawyers or the NHRC seen any evidence of physical torture? If anyone has then why has this not been written about. If it, has in fact, occurred then with their lawyers, the NHRC and others assisting the alleged offenders, surely the truth will prevail and, if charged, they will either be found guilty or innocent. Given that the Prosecutors have returned the police briefs on four occasions, then maybe the latter will occur, which hopefully, if they are innocent, will see justice prevail.

[bkkstooge]

how many times can these buffoons shoot themselves in the foot and still think they have a strong case against these 2 boys. If we could be shown actual evidence and not the made up crap they keep spraying around now people might start to listen but with all the allegations and retractions, bullsh*t dna tests etc this will never end in anything but a heap of sh*t.

I do not like the way this has been going but you need to wake up a little. Are you an investigator, a member of the court, a government official or just a plain old farang ex-pat.

What right do you or anyone have to state, "If we could be shown actual evidence" No Police force in the world has to or would show any of its evidence to civilians, nor do they have to explain their investigation to you.

It is very unfortunate that the investigation from beginning to now leaves a lot to be desired and that there have been many misleading statements issued but let's not, as civilians, try to be judge and jury in this matter. If somewhere down the track it is found that someone or a number of persons have acted inappropriately or even criminally, then they could face criminal charges.

The law in Thailand is far different from the west, so we need to take this into consideration and be very careful on how it is commented on. One can note the differences and possibly the lack of knowledge and understanding throughout the inquiry but to go on and on with crude remarks in an attempt to state one's case is not the way to debate the matter.

I can understand the reactions being expressed here but none of us know the full extent of what is going on, so how can we say for sure they are innocent or guilty. We were not there. None of us know the extent of the investigations, what has been or has not been uncovered, the amount of incriminating evidence, yet many are lambasting the police basing their assumptions and speculation on conflicting statements issued by Police and some poor reporting by journalists. Unless they are proven to be out and out liars then no one should intimate they are until it is proven one way or another.

Sure the alleged offenders made admissions and then recanted them alleging they were threatened and bashed but has anyone, hospital, doctors lawyers or the NHRC seen any evidence of physical torture? If anyone has then why has this not been written about. If it, has in fact, occurred then with their lawyers, the NHRC and others assisting the alleged offenders, surely the truth will prevail and, if charged, they will either be found guilty or innocent. Given that the Prosecutors have returned the police briefs on four occasions, then maybe the latter will occur, which hopefully, if they are innocent, will see justice prevail.

Sea Thea01

The reasons for the entirely justified comments of the cops are because and this as was pointed out in another post here they have done the same urine poor investigative work in high profile and horrifying rape/murder cases time and time again. And they always get away with it. There is however a very small and sadly getting smaller as the weeks go on window of opportunity that they might actually be held accountable for their contemptible (deliberate?) inept work.

[OPG]

This is going to be interesting!!

Popcorn and coffee ready!!

Popcorn & Coffee...REALLY?

How about pretzels and beer or Coke & Chips for the non-alcoholic drinker or any other combination. Even Coffee & Toast.

[billd766]

Strange how one minute they claim the investigation is complete and in the hands of the prosecutors, the next they claim the investigation is 'ongoing'. Obviously when it suits them.

My advice for the NHCR is to go to every international human rights agencies such as the UN, Amnesty International etc and get it put on the record.

I would also be promoting the 'fully independent' retesting of the two suspects, using pressure from these international agencies, the British government and the UN.... Really turn the screws on Prayuth. Possibly push the UNHRC to request they carry it out.

Prayuth is probably terrified it will get to that stage. he really doesn't need the heat.

It is not often I agree with you but this time I am 100% with you.

If I were the PM about now I would officially and publically wash my hands of the whole affair and leave the police to sort it out themselves. After all they are the ones that have got themselves into this position and they should get themselves out of it. It it takes resignations, scakings and jail time for many layers of police then so be it. The General will come out of it well and so will Thailand.

[Gweiloman]

I do not like the way this has been going but you need to wake up a little. Are you an investigator, a member of the court, a government official or just a plain old farang ex-pat.

What right do you or anyone have to state, "If we could be shown actual evidence" No Police force in the world has to or would show any of its evidence to civilians, nor do they have to explain their investigation to you.

It is very unfortunate that the investigation from beginning to now leaves a lot to be desired and that there have been many misleading statements issued but let's not, as civilians, try to be judge and jury in this matter. If somewhere down the track it is found that someone or a number of persons have acted inappropriately or even criminally, then they could face criminal charges.

The law in Thailand is far different from the west, so we need to take this into consideration and be very careful on how it is commented on. One can note the differences and possibly the lack of knowledge and understanding throughout the inquiry but to go on and on with crude remarks in an attempt to state one's case is not the way to debate the matter.

I can understand the reactions being expressed here but none of us know the full extent of what is going on, so how can we say for sure they are innocent or guilty. We were not there. None of us know the extent of the investigations, what has been or has not been uncovered, the amount of incriminating evidence, yet many are lambasting the police basing their assumptions and speculation on conflicting statements issued by Police and some poor reporting by journalists. Unless they are proven to be out and out liars then no one should intimate they are until it is proven one way or another.

Sure the alleged offenders made admissions and then recanted them alleging they were threatened and bashed but has anyone, hospital, doctors lawyers or the NHRC seen any evidence of physical torture? If anyone has then why has this not been written about. If it, has in fact, occurred then with their lawyers, the NHRC and others assisting the alleged offenders, surely the truth will prevail and, if charged, they will either be found guilty or innocent. Given that the Prosecutors have returned the police briefs on four occasions, then maybe the latter will occur, which hopefully, if they are innocent, will see justice prevail.

You said:

"The law in Thailand is far different from the west"

and then go on to say:

"surely the truth will prevail"

Am I the only one sensing irony here?

[BoristheBlade]

And so it began..........

[changnaam]

Strange how one minute they claim the investigation is complete and in the hands of the prosecutors, the next they claim the investigation is 'ongoing'. Obviously when it suits them.

My advice for the NHCR is to go to every international human rights agencies such as the UN, Amnesty International etc and get it put on the record.

I would also be promoting the 'fully independent' retesting of the two suspects, using pressure from these international agencies, the British government and the UN.... Really turn the screws on Prayuth. Possibly push the UNHRC to request they carry it out.

Prayuth is probably terrified it will get to that stage. he really doesn't need the heat.

It is not often I agree with you but this time I am 100% with you.

If I were the PM about now I would officially and publically wash my hands of the whole affair and leave the police to sort it out themselves. After all they are the ones that have got themselves into this position and they should get themselves out of it. It it takes resignations, scakings and jail time for many layers of police then so be it. The General will come out of it well and so will Thailand.

If it is left with the current crew it will never get sorted, too much at stake.

Needs a big change for any motivation to get the culprits.

[BoristheBlade]

One problem , the General has publicly praised the investigation.."Perfect" I think the word was.

He has had to apologize once already re Koh Tao ( Bikini Comment) No chance he will do so again

[beammeup]

Which General? Do you have a link?

[draftvader]

In order to predict the outcome of this case, simply look to the Kirsty Jones rape and murder in Chiang Mai and extrapolate. You will then see the police game plan. Keep kicking it down the road until the case becomes history and other events and news take the headlines. Kirsty Jones was murdered 14 years ago.

There is one massive difference now to 14 years ago. Internet & social media. 14 years ago relatively few people had personal email addresses or internet connections. Now we all have multiple email addresses, social media accounts, forum memberships and 24/7 where-ever you go internet. It's just nobody's told the RTP this and the effect it has had on awareness.

[love1012]

Step away from the bottle

Do you have to flame and insult in every thread - just admit you're defending a lost case and step away from the mafia apologies!

[love1012]

Shame we cant get the taxi driver who was beaten for not going along with Police lies to make a case of it - or had we forgotten that particular stop on the horrible train journey since 15th September

[thailandchilli]

Shame we cant get the taxi driver who was beaten for not going along with Police lies to make a case of it - or had we forgotten that particular stop on the horrible train journey since 15th September

Yes that was a significant event that seems to have disappeared very conveniently, perhaps a case of hush hush money was bestowed on him. He would be a prime witness for the defense and more importantly living proof that the RTP were looking for scapegoats and living proof for the world to see that this current investigation should be disbanded immediately.

[iReason]

Shame we cant get the taxi driver who was beaten for not going along with Police lies to make a case of it - or had we forgotten that particular stop on the horrible train journey since 15th September

Here's the story:

http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/4373

[catweazle]

A stitch-up the corrupt RTP thought they would easily get away with it is becoming their biggest nightmare. This is just the beginning of a long and painful enema of "reality" for all officers involved in the Koh Tao murder investigation.

I just hope that the General understands that there are times where you better change horses, even in mid stream... otherwise he might go down along with this case which has evolved into an uncomfortable worldwide advertisment on Thai corruption and the superficiality and ignorance of Thai officials in charge of this investigation. This thanks to social media and Thai people and westerners alike who continued to fight for truth and justice despite the RTP's threats.

Power to the people!!!

[iReason]

A stitch-up the corrupt RTP thought they would easily get away with it is becoming their biggest nightmare. This is just the beginning of a long and painful enema of "reality" for all officers involved in the Koh Tao murder investigation.

I just hope that the General understands that there are times where you better change horses, even in mid stream... otherwise he might go down along with this case which has evolved into an uncomfortable worldwide advertisment on Thai corruption and the superficiality and ignorance of Thai officials in charge of this investigation. This thanks to social media and Thai people and westerners alike who continued to fight for truth and justice despite the RTP's threats.

Power to the people!!!

"...long and painful enema of "reality"..."

[Oziex1]

It's still a hot topic, good!

Edited November 4, 2014 by Oziex1

[geistfunke]

It's still a hot topic, good!

... and it's getting hotter every day. The National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) is following the alleged torture of the two murder suspects, Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun, because it is their job to do so. Most of my sympathie is now with normal Thai people like David Anantasin, the admin of the CSI page (over 400.000 likes at present and growing). At this time he is risking a lot and with his action he really reminds me a little bit of Edward Snowden. Since today everybody knows his name and I am not sure if he can ever come back to Thailand again, but he not care. He is only a normal citizen and is fighting for his considered opinions, truth and justice. Respect to the NHRC and David Anantasin. The PM is ready to change horses at any time, because he was the man allowing Scotland Yard to "observe/work" the police investigation in Thailand. Good move....

Edited November 4, 2014 by geistfunke

[englishoak]

People have had enough, and not just in or about Thailand.

Its the regular human populations awakening around the globe connected by instant news, everyone can now be a reporter and they are using the net to have a voice outside their governments control, its a movement and has been gathering pace for a decade or so, I call it the quickening, and it cannot be stopped.

This is a trend that is going to grow, governments around the world need to realise the old paradigm is done. adapt and change to humanities demands or be thrown out.

As others have said... "power to the people"

[jaidam]

A stitch-up the corrupt RTP thought they would easily get away with it is becoming their biggest nightmare. This is just the beginning of a long and painful enema of "reality" for all officers involved in the Koh Tao murder investigation.

I just hope that the General understands that there are times where you better change horses, even in mid stream... otherwise he might go down along with this case which has evolved into an uncomfortable worldwide advertisment on Thai corruption and the superficiality and ignorance of Thai officials in charge of this investigation. This thanks to social media and Thai people and westerners alike who continued to fight for truth and justice despite the RTP's threats.

Power to the people!!!

The sad reality is the original 7 Koh Tao "policemen" are still on duty at Koh Tao, no changes at all. Oh, except they have another 10 new arrived policemen to train in the "old ways".

Bearing in mind what we know/have recently learned about the RPT on Koh Tao, the place has never been so dangerous IMO.

[MJP]

A post with material from the CSI LA Facebook page has been removed. We have to do this for legal reasons.

[greenchair]

There was an attack and rape of a young girl in the kao san road area.

A big city of millions, but the criminals were caught in hours. No big headlines, no facebook pages. The police did a great job and this story is gone in a day.

Unlike the tiny island of kt, a couple of thousand people and what a mess. Now the police have the nhrc , maybe the dsi, and thousands of thai and foreigners demanding correct actions.

When comparing the two cases, my question to kt police is---

is it worth all this trouble???

[minikev]

how many times can these buffoons shoot themselves in the foot and still think they have a strong case against these 2 boys. If we could be shown actual evidence and not the made up crap they keep spraying around now people might start to listen but with all the allegations and retractions, bullsh*t dna tests etc this will never end in anything but a heap of sh*t.

I do not like the way this has been going but you need to wake up a little. Are you an investigator, a member of the court, a government official or just a plain old farang ex-pat.

What right do you or anyone have to state, "If we could be shown actual evidence" No Police force in the world has to or would show any of its evidence to civilians, nor do they have to explain their investigation to you.

It is very unfortunate that the investigation from beginning to now leaves a lot to be desired and that there have been many misleading statements issued but let's not, as civilians, try to be judge and jury in this matter. If somewhere down the track it is found that someone or a number of persons have acted inappropriately or even criminally, then they could face criminal charges.

The law in Thailand is far different from the west, so we need to take this into consideration and be very careful on how it is commented on. One can note the differences and possibly the lack of knowledge and understanding throughout the inquiry but to go on and on with crude remarks in an attempt to state one's case is not the way to debate the matter.

I can understand the reactions being expressed here but none of us know the full extent of what is going on, so how can we say for sure they are innocent or guilty. We were not there. None of us know the extent of the investigations, what has been or has not been uncovered, the amount of incriminating evidence, yet many are lambasting the police basing their assumptions and speculation on conflicting statements issued by Police and some poor reporting by journalists. Unless they are proven to be out and out liars then no one should intimate they are until it is proven one way or another.

Sure the alleged offenders made admissions and then recanted them alleging they were threatened and bashed but has anyone, hospital, doctors lawyers or the NHRC seen any evidence of physical torture? If anyone has then why has this not been written about. If it, has in fact, occurred then with their lawyers, the NHRC and others assisting the alleged offenders, surely the truth will prevail and, if charged, they will either be found guilty or innocent. Given that the Prosecutors have returned the police briefs on four occasions, then maybe the latter will occur, which hopefully, if they are innocent, will see justice prevail.

We were given a daily update of evidence and findings in the early part of the investigation. Bloody jeans found in the friends case that turned out to be not bloody, cctv footage and just loads more. Even how many % complete the case was. Then suddenly nothing made public apart from the fact they have a solid case and the B2 did it.

Now the prosecutors won't go further till there is more evidence than the DNA. There must be masses more evidence than that with the way the crime scene was left, if none of that links to the B2 it's got to be very hard to prove they were there. Yes people like the J's will say DNA DNA DNA but if the chain of custody is questionable then you have to question were they really there.

[A1Str8]

I am still waiting for them to tell the truth! Come on.

[djhotsox]

Rights Agency Threatens Legal Action Against Police

1) let's hope this becomes more than a "Threat"

2) well done to the NHRC for pressing the Police on this matter and someone in this country actually doing their job! There is a lot of truth in his statement to the press:

"We have to give fairness to all sides, especially the migrant workers," he continued. "Otherwise there won't be justice in our nation. No one will come to work in our country."

[jpeg]

Today's BP was headlining the Burmese putting pressure on Thailand to re open the case on their two scapegoats nationals. Oh the irony.

[phuketandsee]

Andy Hall tweeted this yesterday:

"Samui Police to undertake further questioning of Zaw Lin/Win Zaw Tun Koh Tao case at Samui prison 2mrw 9am. Accused lawyers to be present".

Seems their case isn't as complete as they keep saying (and as we all know)