US midterm elections: Barack Obama’s legacy could be ruined in one day

[Ulysses G.]

It wasn't "a wave", Republicans don't have a mandate and the president wasn't on the ballot.

Of course it was a wave. It was a tsunami and Obama's POLICIES were on the ballot - as he said himself. They were soundly rejected.

Edited November 14, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[JDGRUEN]

IN MY OPINION ... obama has ruined his own legacy.

The Mid Term Elections just showed how his policies and persona were on trial. The voters repudiated obama last week in the vote by soundly defeating the Democrats running for office. Only the deaf and blind and those who are ideologically crippled cannot see, hear or understand this. obama, the effects of spending 20 years attending a Black Liberation Theology Church did not wash off when he became president of ALL the people. obama's preferences are just for some of the people and his overt discrimination has fueled hatred for the white segment of the American population.

And IN MY OPINION - obama and his henchmen and minions launched a series of efforts since shortly after his election to demonize the opposition. obama himself has led the way in marginalizing white people, obama is the chief racist in the U.S. At every turn obama has shown he is totally at odds with the traditions of America. obama's examples of disgust for white people has caused the rise in violence of black on white crime. obama doesn't want to be an American - it is painfully obvious. He wants to be a citizen of the world as he has talked about. He embarrasses Americans at nearly every venture - bowing to a Muslim King and now wearing some awful outfit in China that is beyond description but certainly non American and the Chinese reacted accordingly ... But worse than all obama appoints an Attorney General who hates white people even more than obama does. One of AJ Holder's first acts was to let members of the New Black Panthers off the legal hook after being video taped intimidating voters at a polling place in a national election. And with this sort of very visible action obama and Holder somehow demand respect for their Administrations? Totally amazing.

Books will be written about obama's rejection of all things American. Therefore it will become the entries in the history books that obama poisoned his own legacy by living in his Narcissistic non American world while sleep walking through real responsibility for the office of the President.


“Trickle Down Hatred and Contempt”


We have all heard of trickle down economics, but what about trickle down hatred and contempt? Can a leader set the stage and simply imply by their action or non action, that they will tolerate hatred and contempt of a specific group in order to further their own agenda?



http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/67533

[JDGRUEN]

Here goes obama again... promising to take actions that voters just repudiated that will - if taken - such as granting work permits to illegal aliens and/or Amnesty will further poison the well of his legacy and shoot the Democrats in their collective feet... A Narcissistic Dictatorial Mindset at work - and nothing else. A man who thinks like Napoleon, Mugabe, Idi Amin Dada, and Chairman Mao all rolled into some strange amalgam of the absurd while fantasying he is Ghandi and M.L. King Jr.

Polls Show Hostility Toward Obama’s Work Permits For Illegals

“If the president takes his action on the amnesty, he will make it easier for the Republicans to win in 2016,” said Kellyanne Conway, who recently polled 2014 voters about their attitudes toward immigration. “The angriest person should be Hillary Clinton,” Conway added.



http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/13/polls-show-hostility-toward-obamas-work-permits-for-illegals/

[JDGRUEN]

The Swing of the Political Pendulum will react to the Will of the People.

[up-country_sinclair]

The Swing of the Political Pendulum will react to the Will of the People.

Political Pendulum.jpg

It's tough to argue with that sort of well thought out and researched analysis.

By the way, in 2016 there will be 10 senate Democrats up for re-election and 24 Republicans. This is a fact, not an opinion or point of view.

And finally, when will one of our resident hyper-partisans show us a single ballot which had the president's policies (sorry, POLICIES) on it?

Edited November 14, 2014 by up-country_sinclair

[JDGRUEN]

The Swing of the Political Pendulum will react to the Will of the People.

It's tough to argue with that sort of well thought out and researched analysis.

By the way, in 2016 there will be 10 senate Democrats up for re-election and 24 Republicans. This is a fact, not an opinion or point of view.

And finally, when will one of our resident hyper-partisans show us a single ballot which had the president's policies (sorry, POLICIES) on it?

10 Senate Democrats in 2016 and 24 Republicans in 2016 = 34 Republican Senators elected in 2016... You have no idea how angry the people are... Just let obama slam down his Executive Fiat Amnesty ... Watch and see how the people react ...

Edited November 14, 2014 by JDGRUEN

[chuckd]

The Swing of the Political Pendulum will react to the Will of the People.

Political Pendulum.jpg

It's tough to argue with that sort of well thought out and researched analysis.

By the way, in 2016 there will be 10 senate Democrats up for re-election and 24 Republicans. This is a fact, not an opinion or point of view.

And finally, when will one of our resident hyper-partisans show us a single ballot which had the president's policies (sorry, POLICIES) on it?

The Republicans picked up 9 (so far) Democratic seats this time around. I think most Republicans would be happy with picking up only 4 or 5 next election.

You must have forgotten but I answered your question about his policies not being on the ballot a couple of hundred posts ago.

Obama, himself, made the claim and the voters took him to heart.

By the way, this is what the US looks like when you paint Republican held Congressional Districts in red and the Democrat held House seats in blue.

[up-country_sinclair]

This is exactly the type of hyper-partisanship I was referring to earlier. It's almost as if some view politics through the prism of an obsessed sports fan. They're not really rooting for their team, they're actually rooting against the other team. It's beyond ridiculous and extremely counterproductive. As I've posted several times on this thread, I'm not a Democrat. I've vote for far more Republicans than I have Democrats. But some consider anyone slightly to the left of Mike Lee to be a socialist.

I genuinely pity those who are compelled to view politics and policy from the skewed vantage point of a hyper-partisan zealot, but the real tragedy is the negative influence they have on passing legislation--whether it be conservative or liberal.

You want to know why so little gets done in Washington DC? It's because senators and congressmen spends hours and hours each day fundraising so that they can fend off the primary competition from their extreme left/right. And then the elected representatives don't write, sponsor or vote for bills that would be the best thing for the people in their district or state until they check with lobbying groups who fund their campaigns.

By any realistic measure, presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton are/were centrists. Bush leaning slightly to the right and Obama/Clinton to the right. Some on this forum have been taken in by the machinations of the operatives on both sides of the political spectrum. Start thinking for yourself and stop listening to spin.

[Publicus]

The Swing of the Political Pendulum will react to the Will of the People.

Political Pendulum.jpg

It's tough to argue with that sort of well thought out and researched analysis.

By the way, in 2016 there will be 10 senate Democrats up for re-election and 24 Republicans. This is a fact, not an opinion or point of view.

And finally, when will one of our resident hyper-partisans show us a single ballot which had the president's policies (sorry, POLICIES) on it?

Yes, indeed, the extreme right wing is always well organized, coordinated, well prepared.

They don't only have opinions and beliefs, they are zealots that are driven, unrelenting, fierce...they pounce and they pound and pound away. They are radicals who are addicted to their rightist extremism, true believers of the first order.

With their success in driving down the voter participation in this election, they are now focused on doing the same in the presidential election of 2016. To accomplish this end, they need to sweep away those who argue from moderation, those who innocently pursue balance and who seek to find reason and reasonable approaches from among a cacophony of voices.

The hard core and hard driven extremists will say anything which is why there is a great deal of fiction to their presentations. Moreover, they take the germ of a truth and they exaggerate it to make the other side look not only wrongheaded, but to look and seem evil, wicked, conspiratorial.

The hard right is obsessed, rabid, determined to win.

Most of us, if not all of us, are not rabid zealots who are addicted to a "truth.". We have beliefs and values and we believe in moderation, discourse, and truth seeking. Conversely, the rabid right has the absolute truth and they are dead set to see it through to its realization. That's the case whether it be the gold standard, their anti-liberalism, racism, politics, elections, democracy, global peace and order or whatnot.

They are dismissible yet they cannot be dismissed.

Edited November 14, 2014 by Publicus

[chuckd]

This is exactly the type of hyper-partisanship I was referring to earlier. It's almost as if some view politics through the prism of an obsessed sports fan. They're not really rooting for their team, they're actually rooting against the other team. It's beyond ridiculous and extremely counterproductive. As I've posted several times on this thread, I'm not a Democrat. I've vote for far more Republicans than I have Democrats. But some consider anyone slightly to the left of Mike Lee to be a socialist.

I genuinely pity those who are compelled to view politics and policy from the skewed vantage point of a hyper-partisan zealot, but the real tragedy is the negative influence they have on passing legislation--whether it be conservative or liberal.

You want to know why so little gets done in Washington DC? It's because senators and congressmen spends hours and hours each day fundraising so that they can fend off the primary competition from their extreme left/right. And then the elected representatives don't write, sponsor or vote for bills that would be the best thing for the people in their district or state until they check with lobbying groups who fund their campaigns.

By any realistic measure, presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton are/were centrists. Bush leaning slightly to the right and Obama/Clinton to the right. Some on this forum have been taken in by the machinations of the operatives on both sides of the political spectrum. Start thinking for yourself and stop listening to spin.

I've been thinking for myself for the past 70 plus years. Voted Democrat most of my younger years as Democrats in Texas were the conservative party then. When they changed, I changed.

If every Democrat died and went to wherever liberals are destined to go, I might consider voting Democrat...if conservatives take it over.

I don't vote for the party. I vote for their agenda...and the agenda of this administration has far too many progressive/liberal positions for me to vote for them.

PS: Did you really mean to say this?

" Bush leaning slightly to the right and Obama/Clinton to the right."

[JDGRUEN]

This is exactly the type of hyper-partisanship I was referring to earlier. It's almost as if some view politics through the prism of an obsessed sports fan. They're not really rooting for their team, they're actually rooting against the other team. It's beyond ridiculous and extremely counterproductive. As I've posted several times on this thread, I'm not a Democrat. I've vote for far more Republicans than I have Democrats. But some consider anyone slightly to the left of Mike Lee to be a socialist.

I genuinely pity those who are compelled to view politics and policy from the skewed vantage point of a hyper-partisan zealot, but the real tragedy is the negative influence they have on passing legislation--whether it be conservative or liberal.

You want to know why so little gets done in Washington DC? It's because senators and congressmen spends hours and hours each day fundraising so that they can fend off the primary competition from their extreme left/right. And then the elected representatives don't write, sponsor or vote for bills that would be the best thing for the people in their district or state until they check with lobbying groups who fund their campaigns.

By any realistic measure, presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton are/were centrists. Bush leaning slightly to the right and Obama/Clinton to the right. Some on this forum have been taken in by the machinations of the operatives on both sides of the political spectrum. Start thinking for yourself and stop listening to spin.

I've been thinking for myself for the past 70 plus years. Voted Democrat most of my younger years as Democrats in Texas were the conservative party then. When they changed, I changed.

If every Democrat died and went to wherever liberals are destined to go, I might consider voting Democrat...if conservatives take it over.

I don't vote for the party. I vote for their agenda...and the agenda of this administration has far too many progressive/liberal positions for me to vote for them.

PS: Did you really mean to say this?

" Bush leaning slightly to the right and Obama/Clinton to the right."

When one is a liberal who has migrated over to the Left Wing cliff - everyone else looks like they are center or right wing ... It is called perspective. People who believe that Bill Clinton was leaning to the Right, And that obama is somehow not a leftist is out of touch of the American reality ... No one but a propagandist would say such a thing... I suppose it is a feeble attempt to spread disinformation ... the old Soviet tactic.

Edited November 14, 2014 by JDGRUEN

[JDGRUEN]

The Swing of the Political Pendulum will react to the Will of the People.

Political Pendulum.jpg

It's tough to argue with that sort of well thought out and researched analysis.

By the way, in 2016 there will be 10 senate Democrats up for re-election and 24 Republicans. This is a fact, not an opinion or point of view.

And finally, when will one of our resident hyper-partisans show us a single ballot which had the president's policies (sorry, POLICIES) on it?

Yes, indeed, the extreme right wing is always well organized, coordinated, well prepared.

They don't only have opinions and beliefs, they are zealots that are driven, unrelenting, fierce...they pounce and they pound and pound away. They are radicals who are addicted to their rightist extremism, true believers of the first order.

With their success in driving down the voter participation in this election, they are now focused on doing the same in the presidential election of 2016. To accomplish this end, they need to sweep away those who argue from moderation, those who innocently pursue balance and who seek to find reason and reasonable approaches from among a cacophony of voices.

The hard core and hard driven extremists will say anything which is why there is a great deal of fiction to their presentations. Moreover, they take the germ of a truth and they exaggerate it to make the other side look not only wrongheaded, but to look and seem evil, wicked, conspiratorial.

The hard right is obsessed, rabid, determined to win.

Most of us, if not all of us, are not rabid zealots. We have beliefs and values and we believe in moderation, discourse, and truth seeking. Conversely, the rabid right has the absolute truth and they are dead set to see it through to its realization. That's the case whether it be the gold standard, their anti-liberalism, racism, politics, elections, democracy, global peace and order or whatnot.

They are dismissible yet they cannot be dismissed.

Wow! The Pot calling the Kettle black... funny ... zealot try a mirror.

[Publicus]

The Swing of the Political Pendulum will react to the Will of the People.

Political Pendulum.jpg

It's tough to argue with that sort of well thought out and researched analysis.

By the way, in 2016 there will be 10 senate Democrats up for re-election and 24 Republicans. This is a fact, not an opinion or point of view.

And finally, when will one of our resident hyper-partisans show us a single ballot which had the president's policies (sorry, POLICIES) on it?

Yes, indeed, the extreme right wing is always well organized, coordinated, well prepared.

They don't only have opinions and beliefs, they are zealots that are driven, unrelenting, fierce...they pounce and they pound and pound away. They are radicals who are addicted to their rightist extremism, true believers of the first order.

With their success in driving down the voter participation in this election, they are now focused on doing the same in the presidential election of 2016. To accomplish this end, they need to sweep away those who argue from moderation, those who innocently pursue balance and who seek to find reason and reasonable approaches from among a cacophony of voices.

The hard core and hard driven extremists will say anything which is why there is a great deal of fiction to their presentations. Moreover, they take the germ of a truth and they exaggerate it to make the other side look not only wrongheaded, but to look and seem evil, wicked, conspiratorial.

The hard right is obsessed, rabid, determined to win.

Most of us, if not all of us, are not rabid zealots. We have beliefs and values and we believe in moderation, discourse, and truth seeking. Conversely, the rabid right has the absolute truth and they are dead set to see it through to its realization. That's the case whether it be the gold standard, their anti-liberalism, racism, politics, elections, democracy, global peace and order or whatnot.

They are dismissible yet they cannot be dismissed.

Wow! The Pot calling the Kettle black... funny ... zealot try a mirror.

Looked into the mirror just now to see if I could see a zealot addicted to his politics but all I saw was the above post which admits to zealotry while trying in vain to accuse another of being the same kind of zealot.

[up-country_sinclair]

The Swing of the Political Pendulum will react to the Will of the People.

Political Pendulum.jpg

It's tough to argue with that sort of well thought out and researched analysis.

By the way, in 2016 there will be 10 senate Democrats up for re-election and 24 Republicans. This is a fact, not an opinion or point of view.

And finally, when will one of our resident hyper-partisans show us a single ballot which had the president's policies (sorry, POLICIES) on it?

Yes, indeed, the extreme right wing is always well organized, coordinated, well prepared.

They don't only have opinions and beliefs, they are zealots that are driven, unrelenting, fierce...they pounce and they pound and pound away. They are radicals who are addicted to their rightist extremism, true believers of the first order.

With their success in driving down the voter participation in this election, they are now focused on doing the same in the presidential election of 2016. To accomplish this end, they need to sweep away those who argue from moderation, those who innocently pursue balance and who seek to find reason and reasonable approaches from among a cacophony of voices.

The hard core and hard driven extremists will say anything which is why there is a great deal of fiction to their presentations. Moreover, they take the germ of a truth and they exaggerate it to make the other side look not only wrongheaded, but to look and seem evil, wicked, conspiratorial.

The hard right is obsessed, rabid, determined to win.

Most of us, if not all of us, are not rabid zealots. We have beliefs and values and we believe in moderation, discourse, and truth seeking. Conversely, the rabid right has the absolute truth and they are dead set to see it through to its realization. That's the case whether it be the gold standard, their anti-liberalism, racism, politics, elections, democracy, global peace and order or whatnot.

They are dismissible yet they cannot be dismissed.

The same could be said of the extreme left wing in the US. I will grant you that the right wing currently seems more vicious, but the left wing was the same way about a decade ago.

You bring up a interesting point about voter participation. Yes, I do think the right is trying to decrease the number of democrat voters who show up to vote by passing voter ID laws. There isn't any real evidence of significant voter fraud in the US, but the right knows what the end result of these laws will be: fewer votes for Democrats. At the same time, this is 2014 and if you don't have an ID in the US then I'm not really sure how you live your daily life. On a related note, congress needs to pass some laws that change the way voting takes place in America. For example, polling stations need to be open for more than one day.

[bkkcanuck8]

The problem with President Obama is that his version of compromise is that he gets some of what he wants or all of it, but the opposition gets no input. When President Obama was elected -- he had NO history of working across the aisle on any issues (with the exception of bills that were ceremonial in nature - which is the vast majority of bills that come up for vote; e.g. congratulatory stuff etc.). He spoke a good game, but the first thing he said after getting elected was that:

Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.

He followed up with that and has never made any substantive effort to work with republicans in congress. Harry Reid did his best to help by blocking any bill from coming to a vote that would potentially have to be vetoed by President Obama (without popular support for the veto). President Obama's version of working across the aisle is to pass exactly what he wants without any compromise. In comparison, Bill Clinton worked to get parts of his agenda done with republicans in Congress... and if you believe that the congress then was more favourable ... think again. Unfortunately he was never presidential material and did not bother growing into the job.

Unfortunately he seems to have learned nothing and the first thing he decided to do is to ram down his version of immigration bill -- legitimizing not only dreamers that came here with their parents -- but their parents as well (the ones that broke immigration law and jumped the queue ahead of others that were waiting for the proper visas). There is no effort to work out a compromise with the new congress, no time given whatsoever (what is the rush? -- he has 2 years left) -- which may help with the left side of his party but alienate a majority of voters (based on exit polls) and only make it more difficult to work across the aisle in the coming term. He simply does not want to work across the aisle and he is making it plainly known through his actions.

Edited November 14, 2014 by bkkcanuck8

[bkkcanuck8]

I don't get the big deal with voter ID laws, if you are worried about people being blocked at the poll do voter ID drives during the two years leading up to the polling. It is worth more to those without IDs than bussing them to the polls on election day.

[Publicus]

This is exactly the type of hyper-partisanship I was referring to earlier. It's almost as if some view politics through the prism of an obsessed sports fan. They're not really rooting for their team, they're actually rooting against the other team. It's beyond ridiculous and extremely counterproductive. As I've posted several times on this thread, I'm not a Democrat. I've vote for far more Republicans than I have Democrats. But some consider anyone slightly to the left of Mike Lee to be a socialist.

I genuinely pity those who are compelled to view politics and policy from the skewed vantage point of a hyper-partisan zealot, but the real tragedy is the negative influence they have on passing legislation--whether it be conservative or liberal.

You want to know why so little gets done in Washington DC? It's because senators and congressmen spends hours and hours each day fundraising so that they can fend off the primary competition from their extreme left/right. And then the elected representatives don't write, sponsor or vote for bills that would be the best thing for the people in their district or state until they check with lobbying groups who fund their campaigns.

By any realistic measure, presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton are/were centrists. Bush leaning slightly to the right and Obama/Clinton to the right. Some on this forum have been taken in by the machinations of the operatives on both sides of the political spectrum. Start thinking for yourself and stop listening to spin.

I've been thinking for myself for the past 70 plus years. Voted Democrat most of my younger years as Democrats in Texas were the conservative party then. When they changed, I changed.

If every Democrat died and went to wherever liberals are destined to go, I might consider voting Democrat...if conservatives take it over.

I don't vote for the party. I vote for their agenda...and the agenda of this administration has far too many progressive/liberal positions for me to vote for them.

PS: Did you really mean to say this?

" Bush leaning slightly to the right and Obama/Clinton to the right."

When one is a liberal who has migrated over to the Left Wing cliff - everyone else looks like they are center or right wing ... It is called perspective. People who believe that Bill Clinton was leaning to the Right, And that obama is somehow not a leftist is out of touch of the American reality ... No one but a propagandist would say such a thing... I suppose it is a feeble attempt to spread disinformation ... the old Soviet tactic.

Bill Clinton was elected in 1992 and re-elected with an ever greater percentage of the vote in 1996 (49.9%) while Barack Obama was elected in 2008 (52.9%) and re-elected in 2012 to become the first president since Eisenhower (1952 & 1956) to get at least 51% of the vote in each election.

Yet we get the claim that....

People who believe that Bill Clinton was leaning to the Right, And that obama is somehow not a leftist is out of touch of the American reality ... No one but a propagandist would say such a thing... I suppose it is a feeble attempt to spread disinformation ... the old Soviet tactic.

This is not Soviet style government nor are Soviet style tactics involved. The allegation of "propaganda" is also outlandish and extreme.

To make such a wild claim is 100% disinformation and shows a contempt of the voters that suggests voters cannot be trusted unless they don't vote, or that perhaps voters shouldn't be allowed to vote unless voters vote the "right way."

The vast majority of Americans don't object to Prez Obama's political views or philosophy, to the extent he has any. Voters have twice demonstrated the fact. Voters instead want competence in whatever the president does and they are not getting competence from Washington, not from Democrats and not from Republicans. The hope voters will turn to the extreme far right are what is unrealistic and a complete folly. Voters will stay home first as we saw last week.

The risk in the voters staying home is however is that the extreme fanatical hard right will prevail, which would mean voters across the spectrum run the great risk of being relieved altogether of their "burden" to vote in the right way. One recalls history, 1933 especially and in particular.

Edited November 14, 2014 by Publicus

[thailiketoo]

This is not Soviet style government nor are Soviet style tactics involved. The allegation of "propaganda" is also outlandish and extreme.

To make such a wild claim is 100% disinformation and shows a contempt of the voters that suggests voters cannot be trusted unless they don't vote, or that perhaps voters shouldn't be allowed to vote unless voters vote the "right way."

The vast majority of Americans don't object to Prez Obama's political views or philosophy, to the extent he has any. Voters have twice demonstrated the fact. Voters instead want competence in whatever the president does and they are not getting competence from Washington, not from Democrats and not from Republicans. The hope voters will turn to the extreme far right are what is unrealistic and a complete folly. Voters will stay home first as we saw last week.

The risk in the voters staying home is however is that the extreme fanatical hard right will prevail, which would mean voters across the spectrum run the great risk of being relieved altogether of their "burden" to vote in the right way. One recalls history, 1933 especially and in particular.

The guy below works for Obama and was the architect of Obama care. I think you need to listen to what he says.

[Publicus]

This is not Soviet style government nor are Soviet style tactics involved. The allegation of "propaganda" is also outlandish and extreme.

To make such a wild claim is 100% disinformation and shows a contempt of the voters that suggests voters cannot be trusted unless they don't vote, or that perhaps voters shouldn't be allowed to vote unless voters vote the "right way."

The vast majority of Americans don't object to Prez Obama's political views or philosophy, to the extent he has any. Voters have twice demonstrated the fact. Voters instead want competence in whatever the president does and they are not getting competence from Washington, not from Democrats and not from Republicans. The hope voters will turn to the extreme far right are what is unrealistic and a complete folly. Voters will stay home first as we saw last week.

The risk in the voters staying home is however is that the extreme fanatical hard right will prevail, which would mean voters across the spectrum run the great risk of being relieved altogether of their "burden" to vote in the right way. One recalls history, 1933 especially and in particular.

The guy below works for Obama and was the architect of Obama care. I think you need to listen to what he says.

The comments and the nature of the comments vis a vis politics and government are known specifically and generally for a long time. Congress and parliaments are known to pass "midnight legislation" consistently although not as a rule.

The approach is not to be commended as it across the board from right to left to include the center tends towards the ends justifying the means. I've witnessed such legislation occurring or the impacts of such legislation enacted in these ways and I've witnessed it firsthand. It is not news to me and it is always unwelcome news to me and to many others concerned about process, procedure.

I reiterate that the approach is practiced and it needs to be discouraged, abolished. Opponents of such clandestine processes and procedures always howl about it when they come out on the short end of it, even as they themselves practice the very same means and methods when they are in control.

Neither side will however correct their wrong behaviors. We need to be aware and active if these kind of processes are to be corrected. The Supreme Court has to my knowledge ever invalidated a law passed in this manner for the reason it was enacted in the manner.

[hawker9000]

The Swing of the Political Pendulum will react to the Will of the People.

Political Pendulum.jpg

It's tough to argue with that sort of well thought out and researched analysis.

By the way, in 2016 there will be 10 senate Democrats up for re-election and 24 Republicans. This is a fact, not an opinion or point of view.

And finally, when will one of our resident hyper-partisans show us a single ballot which had the president's policies (sorry, POLICIES) on it?

How could anyone with a pulse possibly interpret the sheer broadness of the 2014 election results, which spanned the country and included governorships and statehouses, and included a statement from Obama himself (!) that his policies were very MUCH on the ballot, as anything BUT a repudiation of his policies?! The mere suggestion is delusional (as I'm sure some number of unelected dems will emphatically tell you).

[thailiketoo]

This is not Soviet style government nor are Soviet style tactics involved. The allegation of "propaganda" is also outlandish and extreme.

To make such a wild claim is 100% disinformation and shows a contempt of the voters that suggests voters cannot be trusted unless they don't vote, or that perhaps voters shouldn't be allowed to vote unless voters vote the "right way."

The vast majority of Americans don't object to Prez Obama's political views or philosophy, to the extent he has any. Voters have twice demonstrated the fact. Voters instead want competence in whatever the president does and they are not getting competence from Washington, not from Democrats and not from Republicans. The hope voters will turn to the extreme far right are what is unrealistic and a complete folly. Voters will stay home first as we saw last week.

The risk in the voters staying home is however is that the extreme fanatical hard right will prevail, which would mean voters across the spectrum run the great risk of being relieved altogether of their "burden" to vote in the right way. One recalls history, 1933 especially and in particular.

The guy below works for Obama and was the architect of Obama care. I think you need to listen to what he says.

The comments and the nature of the comments vis a vis politics and government are known specifically and generally for a long time. Congress and parliaments are known to pass "midnight legislation" consistently although not as a rule.

The approach is not to be commended as it across the board from right to left to include the center tends towards the ends justifying the means. I've witnessed such legislation occurring or the impacts of such legislation enacted in these ways and I've witnessed it firsthand. It is not news to me and it is always unwelcome news to me and to many others concerned about process, procedure.

I reiterate that the approach is practiced and it needs to be discouraged, abolished. Opponents of such clandestine processes and procedures always howl about it when they come out on the short end of it, even as they themselves practice the very same means and methods when they are in control.

Neither side will however correct their wrong behaviors. We need to be aware and active if these kind of processes are to be corrected. The Supreme Court has to my knowledge ever invalidated a law passed in this manner for the reason it was enacted in the manner.

Your Statement #1 "This is not Soviet style government nor are Soviet style tactics involved. The allegation of "propaganda" is also outlandish and extreme.

To make such a wild claim is 100% disinformation and shows a contempt of the voters that suggests voters cannot be trusted unless they don't vote, or that perhaps voters shouldn't be allowed to vote unless voters vote the "right way." "

Does not jibe with your post above in my opinion.

[chuckd]

This is not Soviet style government nor are Soviet style tactics involved. The allegation of "propaganda" is also outlandish and extreme.

To make such a wild claim is 100% disinformation and shows a contempt of the voters that suggests voters cannot be trusted unless they don't vote, or that perhaps voters shouldn't be allowed to vote unless voters vote the "right way."

The vast majority of Americans don't object to Prez Obama's political views or philosophy, to the extent he has any. Voters have twice demonstrated the fact. Voters instead want competence in whatever the president does and they are not getting competence from Washington, not from Democrats and not from Republicans. The hope voters will turn to the extreme far right are what is unrealistic and a complete folly. Voters will stay home first as we saw last week.

The risk in the voters staying home is however is that the extreme fanatical hard right will prevail, which would mean voters across the spectrum run the great risk of being relieved altogether of their "burden" to vote in the right way. One recalls history, 1933 especially and in particular.

The guy below works for Obama and was the architect of Obama care. I think you need to listen to what he says.

The comments and the nature of the comments vis a vis politics and government are known specifically and generally for a long time. Congress and parliaments are known to pass "midnight legislation" consistently although not as a rule.

The approach is not to be commended as it across the board from right to left to include the center tends towards the ends justifying the means. I've witnessed such legislation occurring or the impacts of such legislation enacted in these ways and I've witnessed it firsthand. It is not news to me and it is always unwelcome news to me and to many others concerned about process, procedure.

I reiterate that the approach is practiced and it needs to be discouraged, abolished. Opponents of such clandestine processes and procedures always howl about it when they come out on the short end of it, even as they themselves practice the very same means and methods when they are in control.

Neither side will however correct their wrong behaviors. We need to be aware and active if these kind of processes are to be corrected. The Supreme Court has to my knowledge ever invalidated a law passed in this manner for the reason it was enacted in the manner.

"Your premiums will come down by $2,500 per family."

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

"If you like your health care plan, you cab keep your health care plan."

etc, etc, etc.

Nope. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[hawker9000]

Note to the interested concerning the Unaffordable Care Act...

The penalty for not having the reqd insurance in 2015 more than TRIPLES to $325 OR 2% of your gross income (whichever is GREATER). Merry Christmas.

And some don't think Obama's policies were on the ballot. Naah... 'Course not.. Lol.

Edited November 14, 2014 by hawker9000

[thailiketoo]

The only reason Obama is safe from Impeachment after the American people gave their opinion in the mid term elections is Joe Biden.

[chuckd]

The only reason Obama is safe from Impeachment after the American people gave their opinion in the mid term elections is Joe Biden.

Biden has always been Obama's own personal health care plan.

If you look back a couple of years you will realize Nancy Pelosi was next in line after Biden.

Now THAT is a scary thought.

[Jingthing]

Low turnout.

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[chuckd]

Republicans still won.

[Jingthing]

Republicans still won.

Gloating is rude.

[bkkcanuck8]

Low turnout = no real support for President Obama or his policies. If President Obama was loved by the masses, turnout would have been higher once the polls showed likely voters trending towards electing a Republican Congress.

[bkkcanuck8]

The same could be said of the extreme left wing in the US. I will grant you that the right wing currently seems more vicious, but the left wing was the same way about a decade ago.

You bring up a interesting point about voter participation. Yes, I do think the right is trying to decrease the number of democrat voters who show up to vote by passing voter ID laws. There isn't any real evidence of significant voter fraud in the US, but the right knows what the end result of these laws will be: fewer votes for Democrats. At the same time, this is 2014 and if you don't have an ID in the US then I'm not really sure how you live your daily life. On a related note, congress needs to pass some laws that change the way voting takes place in America. For example, polling stations need to be open for more than one day.

To get on the voters list in Ontario, I had to show one form of approved ID, and proof of residence (utility, cable, phone bill). They would then mail me a voter registration card at election time and I had to bring this and/or my ID to vote. I don't hear the masses complaining about voter suppression there. If someone registered to vote and was not eligible they would be liable to prosecution for violating election laws. What ID was required? The usual stuff -- passport, license or provincial id. Most young people rush to get a drivers license as soon as they can, it is a right of passage. They rush to get an ID to make sure they have ID if asked when going to a bar. They go to get a passport so that they can travel. They require ID to travel by air, to open a bank account.

Why is it such a burden to get an ID for voting in the US? Do all these masses of people have no bank account? Do they not travel by air? They don't drink? I heard that the US has a much higher percentage of evangelists that may not drink -- but I they would likely vote republican anyway would they not?

There are lots of dead people that vote in Chicago.... but I guess that would not be considered voter fraud would it.... Of course if you don't require ID it is hard to figure out how much voter fraud goes on unless the same person tries to vote after someone else voted for them (since 60% of people don't generally vote, there are lots of inactive voters to vote for -- so that is not usually a problem).

I grew up having one basic day to vote on.... and one or two days to vote on if I was really and truly not able to vote on that day. The voter participation was typically around 70%. All this advanced polling has not really increased voter participation, but it has lessened people from actually engaging in listening to what their politicians are saying before the election (since they already voted if they were going to). It is like having a trial and the jury deliberating and coming to a verdict before actually hearing the evidence.

If the problem is no ID, why not organize ID drives to get the unfortunate people an ID. Of course if people are too lazy to get an ID before voting, and have no use for it because they distil their own liquor.... hide out in swamps and shoot anyone trespassing on their land.... what makes you think they would vote in the first place?

Are Americans that lazy and stupid that they cannot get IDs yet Canadians have no problem. It does not bode well for America....