Koh Tao suspects to be indicted by end of month

[jdinasia]

No defamation in stating you don't believe someone.

He talks about the pictures of the wounds.

[Mooner]

So are we all agreeing that another weapon was used on David?

[Mooner]

So are we all agreeing that another weapon was used on David?

[StealthEnergiser]

After your comments about the wounds and having seen them, you can assume that I don't believe that.

I have seen the pics of Davd's wounds. They were on Liveleak leaked by the police/locals straight after the event and I evetually looked at them a week or so after it became big new. I didn't look at Hannah's pics cuz I already knew they were too horrific.

So anything you cannot argue or prove wrong you just say is either the work of CSI or a lie but you will gladly believe anything that fits into the scenario you want everyone to believe. Do you see how you fall into the category of a conspiracy theorist?

i have seen the photo's also and it very obvious a knife type object has been used.

[jdinasia]

So are we all agreeing that another weapon was used on David?

May have been, apparently.

[StealthEnergiser]

So are we all agreeing that another weapon was used on David?

May have been, apparently.

certain posters that are online almost 24 hours a day will reject these theories as they appear to be connected and have an agenda like maybe protecting some person / s

[KunMatt]

So are we all agreeing that another weapon was used on David?

May have been, apparently.

Jesus Hallelujah. He has finally budged an ounce. Where do we go from here??

Edited November 9, 2014 by KunMatt

[heyexile]

I believe the prosecutor will indict the B2 because it's already been decided. There could be a succession of 'eye-witnesses' to state they saw the B2 on the beach, and more (drunk, high on drugs, making a nuisance of themselves, whatever). Actually I wouldn't be surprised if members of the headman's family are on this witness list. That could completely seal up the case. And nobody would do a damn thing to stop it happening.

Worrying, eh?

yes it is a worry

And now i start to understand the guys on here who avoid farangs in bangkok like the grim death.

I seen many tourist doing and saying such stupid things over there is just a matter of time before they rub up the wrong thai the wrong way and wind up fertilizing the daisys.

Of course am not saying the two victims did anything wrong but tourist dont realise how this loss of face thing can cause an explosion like you never seen

In my next trip ill be avoiding farangs like the other posters say. If something happen to them and you are on the spot you probably end up being the main suspect.

I think this case will end up being a unsolve. Wont have enough on the burmese and seeing how the ivestigation been made im not suprised if it is someone that no one did even consider.

for all the bad information and confusion the killer could even be a farang and back in their own country

Stephen, yes it is a concern

Ting Tong Tourist, I don`t understand. "In my next trio" ? If you are not already in TH with heavy obligations why would you consider going there at all in the current climate?. If you are a regular visitor you would prob have found long term resident westerners by now in BKK or elsewhere who would be happy to talk to you. Why go somewhere you cant speak sometimes in your own language if you feel like it? Am I missing something, is this Ting Tongue in cheek?

well i spend time in australia and thai. After a year in oz ive had enough. Fed up with everything by then.

i have next trip booking already for thai,and it would be a strange behaviour to just cancel because of koh thao? That would be extreme

A grandmother got murdered by a family member over rent money..this on sydney news today.

there is crap everywhere because of the greed of the rich have brought on all this desperation and horrible occurances.

i got contacts in BKK. Some went home already.some still there.some i will never bother to contact with again.

one thing i notice,the guys who is there year after year are usually very run down in spirit and look older than they are. Some very bitter but what can do?

The typical foreigner is restricted by law from being allow to contribute to society. Well, other than gifting money and houses away to ladies and the family.

i think also a good percentage of them left because of general getting tough on overstay. Also hear many teachers leave cos they been working without the visa.

all off the topic..sorry)

Yeah thanks. I understand. It`s not off topic as the current state of affairs in TH inc murders and martial law, must make people more carefully consider their reasons to visit at all at this time. These tragic, savage murders have exposed the Thai judicial system and current regime from the top down. Perfect/complete case from the good PM (the Supreme Commander of Pol Dep), of bikini joke fame and his hand-picked top cop The good Police Commissioner General Somyot. Must give you pause to spend elsewhere?

What about Oz govt travel advisories and Oz govt travel ban on all regime members and their families.

[CharlieH]

26) The Bangkok Post and Phuketwan do not allow quotes from their news articles or other material to appear on Thaivisa.com. Neither do they allow links to their publications. Posts from members containing quotes from or links to Bangkok Post or Phuketwan publications will be deleted from the forum.

[mojorison]

beginning to wonder who is creating the conspiracy theory

they say the fox smells it's dirt frst

A conspiracy theorist has a confirmation bias for his proposed truth and will deny and ignore any solid evidence which refutes it to the point of even lying and spread g misinformation to support his version if events.

The term "conspiracy theorist" has been thrown around a lot in every KT thread by a certain member but who really is the conspiracy theorist in this case?

The people taking their cues from csila and other conspiracy sites.

I'll say it again. Sites like DSI LA publish a lot of things. Some are just opinions, often a way for people to show concern for the victims and/or a way to let off some steam. There are also many specialists out in the big world, some of whom can shed some light on aspects of the investigation. If JDinasia thinks that Thai investigating cops have all the answers and are covering all the bases, then that's her right to think whatever she wants. She can also think the moon is made of green cheese, if she so chooses.

I could write a list of at least 40 items related to the investigation which Thai cops either didn't think to consider or perhaps looked in to, but decided it would implicate the headman's people, so dropped it. Another category are things Thai cops may have looked in to, but not in a professional enough manner. Here is just some items among many....

>>> laundry. When a dastardly murder takes place, unless the perps are nude, there's going to be bloody clothing. We haven't heard anything from Thai officials about clothing, except a pair of shorts which were thought to have had blood, but then found to be just muddy. Murderers with bloody garments will either want to wash them or throw them out/bury/burn/destroy them. There are many ways to investigate that sort of thing. Can we trust that Thai officials have looked into that thoroughly, or at all? You tell me.

>>> scenario at bar prior to victims leaving late at night: We don't expect Thai officials to keep us abreast of their investigation, but they have made announcements of evidence along the way, particularly during the initial stages of the investigation. Re; bar scenario: Nothing has been mentioned by officials. Only online sleuths.

>>> prior criminal history of suspects or reports of criminal activity on that beach near the bar in prior months/years. Again, nothing from officials.

>>> incidence/reports of date-rape drugs. We hear nothing from officials, but loads from the general public party-goers at the clubs. Because it's mentioned online, JD and JTJ will automatically call it all conspiracy theory. I guess I would also, if I was trying desperately to shield the headman's people.

Perhaps some of these things will show up if/when a trial takes place. However, I doubt it. Reason: evidence which supposedly implicates the Burmese scapegoats is announced quickly and loudly. whereas any evidence which implicates the headman's people is either not found or squashed. Connect the dots.

It's an easy way out to put CSILA and social media in general in the "dismiss it because it is internet conspiracy BS" basket. But social media is a tried and tested tool in the execution of police investigation. In this case it is continually exposing flaws in the investigation or questions at very least, and the disenchantment of the people. There are several thousand FB likers of CSILA who are born and raised Chao Koh. I know them personally and have seen many of them grow up before my eyes in the nearly 30 years I've lived here. They are the local people who are not remaining silent. For them, participation on social media is the safest way to "be heard" and voice concern.

[StealthEnergiser]

This is another suspicous incident on the island

British tourist who smashed his skull after fall from Thai hotel has titanium plate fitted to fix dent and now hopes to find a 'beautiful wife'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614340/British-tourist-smashed-skull-falling-balcony-Thailand-titanium-plate-installed-fix-dent.html#ixzz3IYzFS4q0

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614340/British-tourist-smashed-skull-falling-balcony-Thailand-titanium-plate-installed-fix-dent.html

The man who carried his skull home in a bag

Lee Charie had part of his skull removed after a fall from a balcony

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Lee Charie does not remember falling off a balcony in Thailand.

But when he woke up, part of his skull had been removed.

Doctors in Thailand had cut out a portion to relieve the pressure building on his brain.

And Lee carried this piece of skull home in a polystyrene box, hoping surgeons in the UK would be able to use it to help reconstruct his head.

Lee, 32, from Hertfordshire, was on holiday on the island of Koh Tao when the injury happened.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-21246271

Lee Charie does not remember falling off a balcony in Thailand.

[thailandchilli]

So are we all agreeing that another weapon was used on David?

May have been, apparently.

Jesus Hallelujah. He has finally budged an ounce. Where do we go from here??

I think we'll find that quite a few people in authority as well as the RTP Glee Club will be doing quite a lot of budging when the UK inquest results are reported.

[jdinasia]

So are we all agreeing that another weapon was used on David?

May have been, apparently.

Jesus Hallelujah. He has finally budged an ounce. Where do we go from here??

I think we'll find that quite a few people in authority as well as the RTP Glee Club will be doing quite a lot of budging when the UK inquest results are reported.

I rather doubt it.

[Bleacher Bum East]

For the information of the gang arguing/debating the interrogation site of the Burmese suspects and their friend who has been released . . .

Reports from from October 3, the day of the crime scene re-enactment, said the following:

• At 9 pm on Wednesday, Oct. 1, the suspect named Wyn left Koh Tao
• At 6 am on Thursday, Oct. 2, Wyn was captured on the main wharf in Nakhon Surat Thani.
• Wyn was then taken to the Provincial Police Region 8 investigation centre
• Wyn was questioned at the Provincial Police Region 8 investigation centre for five hours.
• The media were not allowed to approach the Provincial Police Region 8 investigation centre or take photos
• At 9 p.m. on Thursday, Oct. 2, the suspect named Saw and his friend Mau (the witness who was cleared) were detained on Koh Tao.
• By the time Saw and Mau were detained, Wyn's confession had already leaked (3 hours earlier) from police offices in Surat Thani and Bangkok.
• On Friday morning, Oct. 3, it was announced that DNA samples obtained from Wyn and Saw matched that of DNA found on Hannah's body, and that both had now confessed
• Later on Friday, Oct. 3. the re-enactment took place on Sairee Beach in Koh Tao

Begs a lot of questions ... have at it.

Edit: There are no quotes from or links to any news source in this comment.

Edited November 9, 2014 by Bleacher Bum East

[Soutpeel]

No defamation in stating you don't believe someone.

He talks about the pictures of the wounds.

A lot of people on this and other threads have stated they don't believe the son of a certain poo Yai and you accused them of deformation.

[StealthEnergiser]

Parents convinced their son’s death in Koh Tao was murder

KOH SAMUI: -- The parents of British holiday maker Nick Pearson, 25 who died in suspicious circumstances In Koh Tao believe that his death was a murder that was covered up to protect tourism.

Nick was on holiday with his brother and parents on a family vacation to Koh Tao when he was found dead on New Year’s day, chillingly his body was found in the water close to where Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were found only a few weeks ago.

The police suspected that Nick had fallen 50ft but his parents are disputing that version of events and believe he could have been followed back to his bungalow and told reporters that they were warned to keep quiet by people in Koh Tao.

Parents Tracey and Graham said “it seems like they just want to protect their tourist industry but we need to know what happened.” The family has also expressed their concerns that the police have got it wrong of over the deaths of the two backpackers last month. Mother Tracy said “we don’t believe the men they have arrested for killing Hannah and Miller have anything to do with it, it is just a plan to show the police have acted so they don’t put tourists off.

http://www.samuitimes.com/parents-convinced-sons-death-koh-tao-murder/

[jdinasia]

No defamation in stating you don't believe someone.

He talks about the pictures of the wounds.

A lot of people on this and other threads have stated they don't believe the son of a certain poo Yai and you accused them of deformation.

Nope, but don't let the language get in your way.

Saying someone is guilty after being cleared by the police is defamation. Saying you don't believe him isn't.

[KunMatt]

I rather doubt it.

TBH I also doubt it because we live in a country where the truth here is not the same as it is where we come from and people have been getting away with the murder of tourists for decades, however that does not make you right or just in what you are doing.

[dcutman]

Dcutman

If the rights of the suspects were abused that by all means should be addressed by the defense.

Funny, you seem to have an answer for everything else. I thought for sure you could explain why the police needed a secret place to conduct an interrogation.

An answer seems obvious to me, but the fact that it is a small island and they wanted to conduct the interrogation there makes sense to me.

This is Thailand, where there are genuine safety concerns for suspects in major cases are made to wear vests and helmets.

There you go JD I knew you had an answer, and it would make sense to you, even though the law states the accused will be sent to a police station and afforded legal council even during torture interrogation.

[jdinasia]

Dcutman

If the rights of the suspects were abused that by all means should be addressed by the defense.

Funny, you seem to have an answer for everything else. I thought for sure you could explain why the police needed a secret place to conduct an interrogation.

An answer seems obvious to me, but the fact that it is a small island and they wanted to conduct the interrogation there makes sense to me.

This is Thailand, where there are genuine safety concerns for suspects in major cases are made to wear vests and helmets.

There you go JD I knew you had an answer, and it would make sense to you, even though the law states the accused will be sent to a police station and afforded legal council even during <deleted> interrogation.

Again I don't know that the law was broken or even bent, a vigorous defense should deal with these issues.

[CharlieH]

Defamation is the issuance of a statement about another person or business which causes that person to suffer harm. It does not have to be false to be defamatory. Libel is when the defamatory statement is published either in a drawing, painting, cinematography, film, picture or letters made visible by any means, or any other recording instruments, recording picture or letters, or by broadcasting or spreading picture, or by propagation by any other means. Defamation is both a civil and criminal charge in Thailand.

[balo]

so jd

where on his skull is this massive blow that rendered him unconscious?

Why is it that every KT thread becomes a Q&A with jdinasia??

Because we need people like jdnasia to balance this case so you guys understand that a coin has 2 sides and you're only looking at one side.

Ones suspects "coin" is the exact reason the RTP glee club is in existence in the first place, absolutely nothing to do with balance, debate or discussion..

and who is "we" ?

We are the people that believe in real evidence instead of social media gossip and rumors spread online without any credible source. We believe there are some good guys in the RTP despite years of corruption and that things can change to the positive , even in Thailand. Edited November 9, 2014 by balo

[joebrown]

so jd

where on his skull is this massive blow that rendered him unconscious?

Why is it that every KT thread becomes a Q&A with jdinasia??

Because we need people like jdnasia to balance this case so you guys understand that a coin has 2 sides and you're only looking at one side.

A coin often has 3 sides, ...most commonly a cylindrical mass. It's easier for all to read what's stamped on the 2 larger sides, but many people ignore the smaller part/edge. There is very often writing on this 3rd side/edge. It's often very difficult to read because of wear and tear, but on the KT coin it's a lot clearer, and it reads "vested interests" Edited November 9, 2014 by joebrown

[annabel]

Flawless

[joebrown]

Parents convinced their sons death in Koh Tao was murder

KOH SAMUI: -- The parents of British holiday maker Nick Pearson, 25 who died in suspicious circumstances In Koh Tao believe that his death was a murder that was covered up to protect tourism.

Nick was on holiday with his brother and parents on a family vacation to Koh Tao when he was found dead on New Years day, chillingly his body was found in the water close to where Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were found only a few weeks ago.

The police suspected that Nick had fallen 50ft but his parents are disputing that version of events and believe he could have been followed back to his bungalow and told reporters that they were warned to keep quiet by people in Koh Tao.

Parents Tracey and Graham said it seems like they just want to protect their tourist industry but we need to know what happened. The family has also expressed their concerns that the police have got it wrong of over the deaths of the two backpackers last month. Mother Tracy said we dont believe the men they have arrested for killing Hannah and Miller have anything to do with it, it is just a plan to show the police have acted so they dont put tourists off.

http://www.samuitimes.com/parents-convinced-sons-death-koh-tao-murder/

Nick Pearson's death raises many unanswered questions, and is similar to the more recent double murder case on Koh Tao in many respects. What I find most damning is the response the family got when they asked the KT people any questions. Anyone interested in justice and not the tourist baht would have at least shown sympathy and/or offered help, even if not immediately aware of any useful relevant information. It's worth remembering that the UK inquest on Nick is due to take place next month. Maybe that will give us some indication as to what might result from the Hannah & Davis inquest in January?

[StealthEnergiser]

Thailand beach death: Parents convinced son murdered – and his killing covered up to protect tourism

We knew he liked a Thai girl he’d met and we wondered if that had caused offence, and that someone followed him and did him harm.”

She added: “The police didn’t look at his room or the area where he was found. There was no attempt to investigate.

"They spent most of their time laughing and joking as we asked questions.”

Tracy said her son Matt was warned there are “powerful people on the island”, and that the family should leave rather than stirring up trouble.

They also heard other holidaymakers had died on the island and their bodies “thrown into the water in the hope they’d be washed away”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thailand-beach-death-parents-convinced-4410135

Edited November 9, 2014 by StealthEnergiser

[BoristheBlade]

[stephen terry]

the concerns regarding torture of the suspects is rational but there's no proof that it did happen.

There is no proof it didn't happen, and before your say it, not the x-rays...

I believe petrol poured onto a person with the promise of lighting it doesn't show on an x-ray and neither does putting a plastic bag over someones head trying to suffocate them...

You cut off enough of my post to alter the meaning.

Petechial hemorrhage of the eyes doesn't go away quickly and can be observed.

A petechial hemorrhage is a tiny pinpoint red mark that is an important sign of asphyxia caused by some external means of obstructing the airways."

A petechial hemmorrhage could be a tiny red dot or a large red spot covering much of the white of the eye. They can be used by forensic scientists to help decod a cause of death.

They can happen when the body is stressed and the eyes are under pressure. The healing time would vary by person and degree as it is effectively a bruise on the eye.

[stephen terry]

Thailand beach death: Parents convinced son murdered – and his killing covered up to protect tourism

We knew he liked a Thai girl he’d met and we wondered if that had caused offence, and that someone followed him and did him harm.”

She added: “The police didn’t look at his room or the area where he was found. There was no attempt to investigate.

"They spent most of their time laughing and joking as we asked questions.”

Tracy said her son Matt was warned there are “powerful people on the island”, and that the family should leave rather than stirring up trouble.

They also heard other holidaymakers had died on the island and their bodies “thrown into the water in the hope they’d be washed away”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thailand-beach-death-parents-convinced-4410135

Yeah, I can believe this because it has the ring of truth about it. Farangs are worth zilch.

[CharlieH]

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