Koh Tao suspects to be indicted by end of month

[KunMatt]

so jd

where on his skull is this massive blow that rendered him unconscious?

Why is it that every KT thread becomes a Q&A with jdinasia??

Because this case is now about him and there are lots of not overly bright people who keep on entertaining him.

Yeah you're right!

[AGareth2]

if the attack was by a hoe from the front

6 wounds

then there would be defensive wounds

Not if the first attack incapacitated the victim. Again an attack from behind can land anywhere on the head.

so where is this blow

which of the 9?

See the pics

I have

and there isn't one

so the injury to the zygomatic arch region must according to you be caused by a golf swing when he is lying unconscious on his side

[jdinasia]

if the attack was by a hoe from the front

6 wounds

then there would be defensive wounds

Not if the first attack incapacitated the victim. Again an attack from behind can land anywhere on the head.

so where is this blow

which of the 9?

See the pics

I have

and there isn't one

so the injury to the zygomatic arch region must according to you be caused by a golf swing when he is lying unconscious on his side

There is one. Why would you assume that he would have to be either unconscious or on his back?

[AGareth2]

beginning to wonder who is creating the conspiracy theory

they say the fox smells it's dirt frst

[AGareth2]

if the attack was by a hoe from the front

6 wounds

then there would be defensive wounds

Not if the first attack incapacitated the victim. Again an attack from behind can land anywhere on the head.

so where is this blow

which of the 9?

See the pics

I have

and there isn't one

so the injury to the zygomatic arch region must according to you be caused by a golf swing when he is lying unconscious on his side

There is one. Why would you assume that he would have to be either unconscious or on his back?

where?

which blow?

(I said side not back)

there are three blows to the posterior region

[CharlieH]

Once again this is NOT about any specific member, discuss/debate whatever the TOPIC not any specific poster.

This is getting very tiresome, any further repeats may lead to posting holidays!

LAST WARNING !

[KunMatt]

beginning to wonder who is creating the conspiracy theory

they say the fox smells it's dirt frst

A conspiracy theorist has a confirmation bias for his proposed truth and will deny and ignore any solid evidence which refutes it to the point of even lying and spread g misinformation to support his version if events.

The term "conspiracy theorist" has been thrown around a lot in every KT thread by a certain member but who really is the conspiracy theorist in this case?

[jdinasia]

beginning to wonder who is creating the conspiracy theory

they say the fox smells it's dirt frst

A conspiracy theorist has a confirmation bias for his proposed truth and will deny and ignore any solid evidence which refutes it to the point of even lying and spread g misinformation to support his version if events.

The term "conspiracy theorist" has been thrown around a lot in every KT thread by a certain member but who really is the conspiracy theorist in this case?

The people taking their cues from csila and other conspiracy sites.

[JOC]

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You may think that jdinisia is posting solely in support of RTP. Sorry to disappoint you on this assumption. Jdinisia spends time on KT, goes diving there and has friends there who are in business/divemasters. It's possible that jd is connected to AC Bar/Phoenix Diving through these friends. There has been at least 1 other KT diver (Twilley) posting in support of RTP, and there may be others. I can foresee postings in support of RTP by 'friends of KT' will increase in direct proportion to the decrease in tourist revenue there.

And despite that, posters here are feeding them with oxygen 24/7 !!

Stop taking the bait and they will disappear!!

[AGareth2]

do we know if there was any bruising to the forearms?

[balo]

so jd

where on his skull is this massive blow that rendered him unconscious?

Why is it that every KT thread becomes a Q&A with jdinasia??

Because we need people like jdnasia to balance this case so you guys understand that a coin has 2 sides and you're only looking at one side.

[Thai at Heart]

The Thais are desperately hoping this story gets out of the headlines so that they can find a rug and a broom to sweep it away.

When I read this, can't help thinking about all the other cases like this one whereby police and/or "influential" persons have murdered others, and done exactly like you said, find scapegoats ,obfuscate, waste time, wait for it all to go away- and it will. KJ in CM, Blue Diamond, the Brit couple in Kanchanaburi (although the murdering policeman was arrested in this rare case).Red Bull, LDP in Pai, the list goes on and on and on. Similarities with the KJ investigation are uncanny with the blatant attempt to falsify the DNA evidence(which apparently has become standard operating procedure after the KJ investigation was successfully FUBAR'ed)

The sad reality is that this case will go exactly the same way. 20 yrs down the road, identity of real killers will be publicly known and easy to find with a google search, but case will be closed or uninvestigated. Only chance of justice here for the KT serial murders will be vigilante justice, might not be such a long wait.

The big difference with this case is that, through social media, many more people have heard about it. I don't think this high season will meet Thai expectations. People have changed their holiday plans, me included.

Indeed. This one will resonate and may be the straw that breaks a camels back.

I met a colleague visiting from the UK last week. She knew all about this case and the reported detail. Not normally somebody I would expect to keep that updated on such things but she said it is very widely reported on and a big topic of conversation.

This should not, is not and will not go away like all the cases mentioned above, and so many more. Many Thais I know are beginning to see a watershed now. They are fed up with simply being lied to when someone in authority thinks it's o k to do so. They realize that an inconvenient truth is better than a convenient lie.

Facebook actually has a lot to contribute to spreading this news. I have various sites I subscribe to, and news, positive or negative can spread like wildfire.

I have friends Thai and foreign in thailand, UK and globally. Stories like this, don't die like they used to.

Just look also at how effective the online petition in the UK was. A headline of "people submit petiton to No 10," mean that something has to be done.

I am glad. The Thai police are very dangerous, and these types of events can effect change little by little, bit by bit.

[jdinasia]

I dont believe this has been posted yet. Maybe JD can explain why this didnt happen.

Thailand

Sections 83 and 84 of the Thai Code of Criminal Procedure, which have been amended by the Act Amending the Criminal Procedure Code (No. 22), BE 2547 (2004), require the police officers who conduct the arrests to inform the arrestees of the Miranda rights.

Paragraph two of section 83 reads:^[141]

In cases an arrest is conducted by an officer, the officer must inform the arrestee of the charge, produce to him a warrant of arrest, if any, and enlighten him that he has the right to remain silent, that anything he says can and will be used as evidence in a trial, and that he also has the right to meet and confer with a counsel or person to become his counsel. If the arrestee wishes to inform his relative or intimate of his arrest and the fulfillment of his wish would not be difficult and not be disruptive to his arrest or restraint or detrimental to any person, the officer shall allow the arrestee to so fulfill to the extent reasonable according to the circumstances. In this respect, the arresting officer shall also draw up a record of arrest.

While paragraph one of section 84 prescribes:^[142]

An officer or private citizen conducting an arrest must without delay bring the arrestee to the judicial police office under section 83. Upon arriving there, the arrestee must be delivered to an administrative or police officer thereof to further be dealt with as follows:

I don't know if that did or did not happen.

(it isn't Miranda rights in Thailand)

[heyexile]

I believe the prosecutor will indict the B2 because it's already been decided. There could be a succession of 'eye-witnesses' to state they saw the B2 on the beach, and more (drunk, high on drugs, making a nuisance of themselves, whatever). Actually I wouldn't be surprised if members of the headman's family are on this witness list. That could completely seal up the case. And nobody would do a damn thing to stop it happening.

Worrying, eh?

yes it is a worry

And now i start to understand the guys on here who avoid farangs in bangkok like the grim death.

I seen many tourist doing and saying such stupid things over there is just a matter of time before they rub up the wrong thai the wrong way and wind up fertilizing the daisys.

Of course am not saying the two victims did anything wrong but tourist dont realise how this loss of face thing can cause an explosion like you never seen

In my next trip ill be avoiding farangs like the other posters say. If something happen to them and you are on the spot you probably end up being the main suspect.

I think this case will end up being a unsolve. Wont have enough on the burmese and seeing how the ivestigation been made im not suprised if it is someone that no one did even consider.

for all the bad information and confusion the killer could even be a farang and back in their own country

Stephen, yes it is a concern

Ting Tong Tourist, I don`t understand. "In my next trio" ? If you are not already in TH with heavy obligations why would you consider going there at all in the current climate?. If you are a regular visitor you would prob have found long term resident westerners by now in BKK or elsewhere who would be happy to talk to you. Why go somewhere you cant speak sometimes in your own language if you feel like it? Am I missing something, is this Ting Tongue in cheek?

[boomerangutang]

beginning to wonder who is creating the conspiracy theory

they say the fox smells it's dirt frst

A conspiracy theorist has a confirmation bias for his proposed truth and will deny and ignore any solid evidence which refutes it to the point of even lying and spread g misinformation to support his version if events.

The term "conspiracy theorist" has been thrown around a lot in every KT thread by a certain member but who really is the conspiracy theorist in this case?

The people taking their cues from csila and other conspiracy sites.

I'll say it again. Sites like DSI LA publish a lot of things. Some are just opinions, often a way for people to show concern for the victims and/or a way to let off some steam. There are also many specialists out in the big world, some of whom can shed some light on aspects of the investigation. If JDinasia thinks that Thai investigating cops have all the answers and are covering all the bases, then that's her right to think whatever she wants. She can also think the moon is made of green cheese, if she so chooses.

I could write a list of at least 40 items related to the investigation which Thai cops either didn't think to consider or perhaps looked in to, but decided it would implicate the headman's people, so dropped it. Another category are things Thai cops may have looked in to, but not in a professional enough manner. Here is just some items among many....

>>> laundry. When a dastardly murder takes place, unless the perps are nude, there's going to be bloody clothing. We haven't heard anything from Thai officials about clothing, except a pair of shorts which were thought to have had blood, but then found to be just muddy. Murderers with bloody garments will either want to wash them or throw them out/bury/burn/destroy them. There are many ways to investigate that sort of thing. Can we trust that Thai officials have looked into that thoroughly, or at all? You tell me.

>>> scenario at bar prior to victims leaving late at night: We don't expect Thai officials to keep us abreast of their investigation, but they have made announcements of evidence along the way, particularly during the initial stages of the investigation. Re; bar scenario: Nothing has been mentioned by officials. Only online sleuths.

>>> prior criminal history of suspects or reports of criminal activity on that beach near the bar in prior months/years. Again, nothing from officials.

>>> incidence/reports of date-rape drugs. We hear nothing from officials, but loads from the general public party-goers at the clubs. Because it's mentioned online, JD and JTJ will automatically call it all conspiracy theory. I guess I would also, if I was trying desperately to shield the headman's people.

Perhaps some of these things will show up if/when a trial takes place. However, I doubt it. Reason: evidence which supposedly implicates the Burmese scapegoats is announced quickly and loudly. whereas any evidence which implicates the headman's people is either not found or squashed. Connect the dots.

[dcutman]

I dont believe this has been posted yet. Maybe JD can explain why this didnt happen.

Thailand

Sections 83 and 84 of the Thai Code of Criminal Procedure, which have been amended by the Act Amending the Criminal Procedure Code (No. 22), BE 2547 (2004), require the police officers who conduct the arrests to inform the arrestees of the Miranda rights.

Paragraph two of section 83 reads:^[141]

In cases an arrest is conducted by an officer, the officer must inform the arrestee of the charge, produce to him a warrant of arrest, if any, and enlighten him that he has the right to remain silent, that anything he says can and will be used as evidence in a trial, and that he also has the right to meet and confer with a counsel or person to become his counsel. If the arrestee wishes to inform his relative or intimate of his arrest and the fulfillment of his wish would not be difficult and not be disruptive to his arrest or restraint or detrimental to any person, the officer shall allow the arrestee to so fulfill to the extent reasonable according to the circumstances. In this respect, the arresting officer shall also draw up a record of arrest.

While paragraph one of section 84 prescribes:^[142]

An officer or private citizen conducting an arrest must without delay bring the arrestee to the judicial police office under section 83. Upon arriving there, the arrestee must be delivered to an administrative or police officer thereof to further be dealt with as follows:

I don't know if that did or did not happen.

(it isn't Miranda rights in Thailand)

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I think you do.

It might not be called Miranda rights in Thailand but there is an equivalent. As there is in many countries around the world

The suspects were brought to a "safe house" on the Island to be interrogated. Remeber, you said thats "because there is no police station on Tao"

The new police general said they had no lawyer because they did not ask for one.

I will dig out the links if you dont recall all that happening.

If the police were not trying to hide something, why were these suspects not given their rights under Thai law and not transfered to a police station for questioning?

Or would this be your definition of another conspiracy theory?

Edited November 9, 2014 by dcutman

[jdinasia]

Dcutman

If the rights of the suspects were abused that by all means should be addressed by the defense.

[KunMatt]

so jd

where on his skull is this massive blow that rendered him unconscious?

Why is it that every KT thread becomes a Q&A with jdinasia??

Why do you repeatedly ask questions of me (and rarely answer questions)

Can a single blow to the head incapacitate a larger person? Yes.

Would this mean that the 2 Burmese men accused of being the killers could have done this crime even though they are smaller?

I'm pretty sure I answer every question aimed at me.

So was David hit in the head just one time was he? If not, it destroys your theory that his death was caused by just one blow to the head and then drowning. In actual fact his injuries are exactly the same as Nick Pearson who also had head wounds and was drowned at the same location only 9 months prior after visiting the same bar tat David was at, note - NOT Nick died not from one traumatic fatal head wound but a head wound and then dumped into the sea to drown. His parents commented on his suspicious death as not only that the KT police were uncooperative but also that he had dried blood on him after apparently being in the sea all night. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/767273-parents-of-nick-pearson-convinced-their-sons-death-on-koh-tao-was-murder/

You won't admit it but you are the one who buying into and selling the conspiracy theory.

[Soutpeel]

so jd

where on his skull is this massive blow that rendered him unconscious?

Why is it that every KT thread becomes a Q&A with jdinasia??

Because we need people like jdnasia to balance this case so you guys understand that a coin has 2 sides and you're only looking at one side.

Ones suspects "coin" is the exact reason the RTP glee club is in existence in the first place, absolutely nothing to do with balance, debate or discussion..

and who is "we" ?

[AGareth2]

fair and transparent

is all that is being asked

[tingtongtourist]

I believe the prosecutor will indict the B2 because it's already been decided. There could be a succession of 'eye-witnesses' to state they saw the B2 on the beach, and more (drunk, high on drugs, making a nuisance of themselves, whatever). Actually I wouldn't be surprised if members of the headman's family are on this witness list. That could completely seal up the case. And nobody would do a damn thing to stop it happening.

Worrying, eh?

yes it is a worry

And now i start to understand the guys on here who avoid farangs in bangkok like the grim death.

I seen many tourist doing and saying such stupid things over there is just a matter of time before they rub up the wrong thai the wrong way and wind up fertilizing the daisys.

Of course am not saying the two victims did anything wrong but tourist dont realise how this loss of face thing can cause an explosion like you never seen

In my next trip ill be avoiding farangs like the other posters say. If something happen to them and you are on the spot you probably end up being the main suspect.

I think this case will end up being a unsolve. Wont have enough on the burmese and seeing how the ivestigation been made im not suprised if it is someone that no one did even consider.

for all the bad information and confusion the killer could even be a farang and back in their own country

Stephen, yes it is a concern

Ting Tong Tourist, I don`t understand. "In my next trio" ? If you are not already in TH with heavy obligations why would you consider going there at all in the current climate?. If you are a regular visitor you would prob have found long term resident westerners by now in BKK or elsewhere who would be happy to talk to you. Why go somewhere you cant speak sometimes in your own language if you feel like it? Am I missing something, is this Ting Tongue in cheek?

well i spend time in australia and thai. After a year in oz ive had enough. Fed up with everything by then.

i have next trip booking already for thai,and it would be a strange behaviour to just cancel because of koh thao? That would be extreme

A grandmother got murdered by a family member over rent money..this on sydney news today.

there is crap everywhere because of the greed of the rich have brought on all this desperation and horrible occurances.

i got contacts in BKK. Some went home already.some still there.some i will never bother to contact with again.

one thing i notice,the guys who is there year after year are usually very run down in spirit and look older than they are. Some very bitter but what can do?

The typical foreigner is restricted by law from being allow to contribute to society. Well, other than gifting money and houses away to ladies and the family.

i think also a good percentage of them left because of general getting tough on overstay. Also hear many teachers leave cos they been working without the visa.

all off the topic..sorry)

[boomerangutang]

I just had a revelation regarding why Thai officials; A. won't consider anyone other than the Burmese as suspects, and B. won't say anything negative about the AC bar or the people running it.

Officials are probably afraid of defamation lawsuits.

Even if there were no pay-offs (and that's a big if), there would have to be at least some investigation of the bar, the bar scene, its clientele, its recent history, its owners, and drug dealings in and around the bar - particularly (in this crime), the possibility of date-rape drugs.

There are a few possible reasons why we've heard NOTHING on these issues from Thai officialdom, any combination of the following will fit (take your pick). . . . . .

>>> They've been paid to shield the headman's family.

>>> They're so inept, to have not noticed the 600 lb. gorilla sitting in the middle of the room

>>> They did some investigation, but were so pussy-footed about it, they uncovered nothing useful.

>>> They're afraid of defamation lawsuits.

Granted, it may be possible they've learned (from the Brit experts?) to not make revealing press conferences every couple days, but that still wouldn't explain why the headman's people ceased to be suspects after the first 10 days of the investigation. In other words, if they did do some investigative work re; the bar and its people and did find nefarious dealings, then Mon and some others of the headman's people should still be suspects.

[greenchair]

Curious how some user is posting almost exclusively on each and every topic about Kho Tao.

Just sayin'...

So what??? I do that everyday and i suspect many others also.

It keeps the story in the news and on peoples mind. It is these postings, that will not allow this horror to be swept under the carpet. It is my way to pay respects to Hannah and David ,who cannot fight for themselves. But mostly it is one of thousands of small efforts joining hands to stop 2 innocent lives being destroyed.

So--- post away everybody on every kt site you can find. It does make a difference.

...I was referring to who obviously posts ONLY on there topics, to troll or disrupt them. I have all interest to follow what's going on about this case.

So pal, you completely missed the target here.

Oh like that jd , and jtj who write the loooong letters so nobody can find the interesting thing supporting our cause.don't know why people keep reposting them. Drives me nuts.

[KunMatt]

beginning to wonder who is creating the conspiracy theory

they say the fox smells it's dirt frst

A conspiracy theorist has a confirmation bias for his proposed truth and will deny and ignore any solid evidence which refutes it to the point of even lying and spread g misinformation to support his version if events.

The term "conspiracy theorist" has been thrown around a lot in every KT thread by a certain member but who really is the conspiracy theorist in this case?

The people taking their cues from csila and other conspiracy sites.

So it completely ruins your argument that I don't read CSI's website or follow any conspiracy sites. In fact I have always stated that I am totally anti-conspiracy theorist on several threads before whenever the topic has come up. TBH I was surprised when I saw on Thai TV last week that CSI was a Thai cuz from all the reverences and people talking about him that I had seen on TVF I assumed it was a troublesome expat.

[jdinasia]

beginning to wonder who is creating the conspiracy theory

they say the fox smells it's dirt frst

A conspiracy theorist has a confirmation bias for his proposed truth and will deny and ignore any solid evidence which refutes it to the point of even lying and spread g misinformation to support his version if events.

The term "conspiracy theorist" has been thrown around a lot in every KT thread by a certain member but who really is the conspiracy theorist in this case?

The people taking their cues from csila and other conspiracy sites.

So it completely ruins your argument that I don't read CSI's website or follow any conspiracy sites. In fact I have always stated that I am totally anti-conspiracy theorist on several threads before whenever the topic has come up. TBH I was surprised when I saw on Thai TV last week that CSI was a Thai cuz from all the reverences and people talking about him that I had seen on TVF I assumed it was a troublesome expat.

After your comments about the wounds and having seen them, you can assume that I don't believe that.

[StealthEnergiser]

This is another suspicous incident on the island

British tourist who smashed his skull after fall from Thai hotel has titanium plate fitted to fix dent and now hopes to find a 'beautiful wife'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614340/British-tourist-smashed-skull-falling-balcony-Thailand-titanium-plate-installed-fix-dent.html#ixzz3IYzFS4q0
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614340/British-tourist-smashed-skull-falling-balcony-Thailand-titanium-plate-installed-fix-dent.html

The man who carried his skull home in a bag

Lee Charie had part of his skull removed after a fall from a balcony

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Lee Charie does not remember falling off a balcony in Thailand.

But when he woke up, part of his skull had been removed.

Doctors in Thailand had cut out a portion to relieve the pressure building on his brain.

And Lee carried this piece of skull home in a polystyrene box, hoping surgeons in the UK would be able to use it to help reconstruct his head.

Lee, 32, from Hertfordshire, was on holiday on the island of Koh Tao when the injury happened.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-21246271

Edited November 9, 2014 by StealthEnergiser

[dcutman]

Dcutman

If the rights of the suspects were abused that by all means should be addressed by the defense.

Funny, you seem to have an answer for everything else. I thought for sure you could explain why the police needed a secret place to conduct an interrogation.

[Soutpeel]

beginning to wonder who is creating the conspiracy theory

they say the fox smells it's dirt frst

A conspiracy theorist has a confirmation bias for his proposed truth and will deny and ignore any solid evidence which refutes it to the point of even lying and spread g misinformation to support his version if events.

The term "conspiracy theorist" has been thrown around a lot in every KT thread by a certain member but who really is the conspiracy theorist in this case?

The people taking their cues from csila and other conspiracy sites.

So it completely ruins your argument that I don't read CSI's website or follow any conspiracy sites. In fact I have always stated that I am totally anti-conspiracy theorist on several threads before whenever the topic has come up. TBH I was surprised when I saw on Thai TV last week that CSI was a Thai cuz from all the reverences and people talking about him that I had seen on TVF I assumed it was a troublesome expat.

After your comments about the wounds and having seen them, you can assume that I don't believe that.

Why are you defaming this poster by calling him a liar ?

[KunMatt]

After your comments about the wounds and having seen them, you can assume that I don't believe that.

I have seen the pics of Davd's wounds. They were on Liveleak leaked by the police/locals straight after the event and I evetually looked at them a week or so after it became big new. I didn't look at Hannah's pics cuz I already knew they were too horrific.

So anything you cannot argue or prove wrong you just say is either the work of CSI or a lie but you will gladly believe anything that fits into the scenario you want everyone to believe. Do you see how you fall into the category of a conspiracy theorist?

[jdinasia]

Dcutman

If the rights of the suspects were abused that by all means should be addressed by the defense.

Funny, you seem to have an answer for everything else. I thought for sure you could explain why the police needed a secret place to conduct an interrogation.

An answer seems obvious to me, but the fact that it is a small island and they wanted to conduct the interrogation there makes sense to me.

This is Thailand, where there are genuine safety concerns for suspects in major cases are made to wear vests and helmets.