jdinasia Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 From Post #801 above: They can threaten 'defamation of character' suits or threaten harm, .....but that's about it. Maybe -- but one day you may try to log on to this website and see this: http://203.113.26.210 People seem to not have learned from Andy Hall's story, nor that of the journalists in Phuket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Per the long-winded post #801 above: I don't believe the NY Times article I linked was apples and penguins -- It showed that 'evidence'' can be deemed credible for a long time and still prove to be not real.Like Christians' belief in a virgin giving birth? And maybe like the immaculate belief -- whether true or not -- that the wrong persons are on trial for the 15SEP2014 crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) From Post #801 above: They can threaten 'defamation of character' suits or threaten harm, .....but that's about it. Maybe -- but one day you may try to log on to this website and see this: http://203.113.26.210 People seem to not have learned from Andy Hall's story, nor that of the journalists in Phuket. And their story is that they spoke what they believe to be the truth and as a result they are now facing prosecution and possible prison sentences for doing so. Any Hall has harnessed worldwide attention on his cases and exposed some serious abuses of migrant workers, he has not apologized to the courts for this and has not stopped his activities as a result. He is prepared to face the judicial procedure in Thailand head on with the backing of the British Embassy and to numerous to mention labour and civil rights groups. His plight, his endeavors and his underlying commitment to civil rights for the Burmese community is admirable, an example to people of true integrity, honesty and selfless endeavors for the good of others. A meaningful mentor to anyone with morals and anyone who has the guts to speak up for justice and truth. I have learned a lot from him and continue to do so. Alan Morrison has also campaigned fearlessly for the serious abuses that have been alleged on human trafficking here in Thailand. Reflected in the shameful downgrading of Thailand to tier 3 in the rankings equal only to North Korea and a handful of other countries. He also has not apologized for his reports and continues to publish articles on the matter. He is another example of a shining light in journalism that should be promoted. He is also prepared to face the Thai judicial system rather than back down from his honest reporting. Both the above have left Thailand while going through the process and have both returned knowing that they face this, again a shining example of honesty and integrity. Yes I do hope people have learned from them, the lesson would be. If you know the truth you have two choices, remain silent and let others suffer and die. You will then have to live with this for the rest of your life. Or speak out and face any consequences as a result, you will know for the rest of your life that you helped 1000's of other people in need who were suffering from systematic abuse and in some cases alleged murders and needless deaths. Edited March 6, 2015 by thailandchilli 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 The above is all well and good but you are hurling your brickbats from someone else's front porch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) The above is all well and good but you are hurling your brickbats from someone else's front porch. That depends what choice you or anyone personally decides to take: If you know the truth you have two choices, remain silent and let others suffer and die. You will then have to live with this for the rest of your life. Or speak out and face any consequences as a result, you will know for the rest of your life that you helped 1000's of other people in need who were suffering from systematic abuse and in some cases alleged murders and needless deaths. Edited March 6, 2015 by thailandchilli 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) Your choice is do you put out your version of the truth on your own website as did Andy Hall or put someone else's website at risk for being shutdown by those who have the right to do so any time they wish. Edited March 6, 2015 by JLCrab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Your choice is do you put out your version of the truth on your own website as did Andy Hall or put someone else's website at risk for being shutdown by those who have the right to do so any time they wish. That is a good point and one that has moral issues which I'm sure those who did have the truth would need to consider as part of the choice they make. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Your choice is do you put out your version of the truth on your own website as did Andy Hall or put someone else's website at risk for being shutdown by those who have the right to do so any time they wish. That is a good point and one that has moral issues which I'm sure those who did have the truth would need to consider as part of the choice they make. As people repeatedly point out all over this website and elsewhere, with the Thai libel and defamation laws, truth is a secondary consideration. While it is difficult to prosecute anonymous posters on a website, it is easy for those empowered persons to shutdown their avenue of expression and they wouldn't have to give any justification for that action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Your choice is do you put out your version of the truth on your own website as did Andy Hall or put someone else's website at risk for being shutdown by those who have the right to do so any time they wish. That is a good point and one that has moral issues which I'm sure those who did have the truth would need to consider as part of the choice they make. Yet you don't know "the truth" regarding any of the people being defamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Your choice is do you put out your version of the truth on your own website as did Andy Hall or put someone else's website at risk for being shutdown by those who have the right to do so any time they wish. That is a good point and one that has moral issues which I'm sure those who did have the truth would need to consider as part of the choice they make. As people repeatedly point out all over this website and elsewhere, with the Thai libel and defamation laws, truth is a secondary consideration. While it is difficult to prosecute anonymous posters on a website, it is easy for those empowered persons to shutdown their avenue of expression and they wouldn't have to give any justification for that action. It is not as difficult to get the identities of people from their posts as people would think. Anonymity on the net is mostly illusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Mr crab makes a valid point. Accusing people outside of the courts is wrong. However, asking questions and looking for clarification is not. Comparing what Sean ,sven, mon, nomsod, ring man, hoe man, Maung Maung and the b2 have said, is not a crime. We're not sayin anything. We're just askin. ?????? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Your choice is do you put out your version of the truth on your own website as did Andy Hall or put someone else's website at risk for being shutdown by those who have the right to do so any time they wish. That is a good point and one that has moral issues which I'm sure those who did have the truth would need to consider as part of the choice they make. Yet you don't know "the truth" regarding any of the people being defamed. But then I didn't say I did now did I? You were the one who brought in the examples of Andy and Alan, very different from the subject matter here and examples that show how the truth here in Thailand can be dangerous for your health! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Members are again reminded of the following from the Forum Rules: 6) You will not post comments that could be reasonably construed as defamation or libel.Defamation is the issuance of a statement about another person or business which causes that person to suffer harm. It does not have to be false to be defamatory. Libel is when the defamatory statement is published either in a drawing, painting, cinematography, film, picture or letters made visible by any means, or any other recording instruments, recording picture or letters, or by broadcasting or spreading picture, or by propagation by any other means. Defamation is both a civil and criminal charge in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 If someone feels they have been defamed by persons posting on this website, they can or their lawyers can approach those with the authority to pull-the-plug on this website such that all you will see when you log-on is this: http://203.113.26.210 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Your choice is do you put out your version of the truth on your own website as did Andy Hall or put someone else's website at risk for being shutdown by those who have the right to do so any time they wish. That is a good point and one that has moral issues which I'm sure those who did have the truth would need to consider as part of the choice they make. Yet you don't know "the truth" regarding any of the people being defamed. So, we don't know anything about Mon or Nomsod? We know they're related to the headman and each other. We know Mon runs a club there. We know Nomsod visits the island. We know what they look like. We know Mon was interrogated for 3 hours by cops, right after the crime, though we may never know what was said. We know Mon and Nomsod were prime suspects early on, and Nomsod evaded police for a week. We know Nomsod would not submit to a DNA test for many weeks. We know Mon is a big man on the island and friends with police. Shall I go on? We also know Mon was walking all over the crime scene, hours (maybe minutes) after the crime. As people repeatedly point out all over this website and elsewhere, with the Thai libel and defamation laws, truth is a secondary consideration. While it is difficult to prosecute anonymous posters on a website, it is easy for those empowered persons to shutdown their avenue of expression and they wouldn't have to give any justification for that action.We know Thai defamation laws are harsh and often used as a tool to squelch the truth. Are you reminding us for concern for our safety, or because you also want us to pipe down with this investigative mind-set? Jdinasia responded by saying it's actually not difficult to find a person's true identity (and address and place of work?), even if that person uses a pseudonym online. It reminds me of the mafia-type threat; "I know where your daughter goes to school, and what path she takes home at 3:50 pm." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Any Member posts on this website only at the discretion and courtesy of the website owners. You may in Thailand have the right to free speech and the search for truth & justice but that does not mean you have the right to free speech on and the search for truth & justice while posting on someone else's private website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Well the website owners said we could search for answers about this horrific crime as long as we follow the laws and do not deficate anyone. We might find a wee piece of information that might be of help to the b2. Or keep people aware about this case. We have fully been given permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post berybert Posted March 6, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2015 Why is it ok for certain members to drag topics off course but not others. What has shutting down websites got to do with the Burmese ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Why is it ok for certain members to drag topics off course but not others. What has shutting down websites got to do with the Burmese ? Put it here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/774851-koh-tao-suspects-to-be-indicted-by-end-of-month/?p=9150245 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Why is it ok for certain members to drag topics off course but not others. What has shutting down websites got to do with the Burmese ? Put it here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/774851-koh-tao-suspects-to-be-indicted-by-end-of-month/?p=9150245 9-11 flakes and shutting down the website. Not sure you have actually made a post in the 6 months since the crime was committed that has been on topic. From Post #801: It must be driving the real criminals crazy ... And just who are routinely being suggested as the real criminals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post boomerangutang Posted March 6, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2015 Congratulations Boomerangutang for making a clear statement that you know who you are defaming.( post 836) nobody else mentioned names. Your statement shows you understand what you are doing. Regarding finding the identities of posters. Fairly easy for the authorities. Profile. IP address. Posting history. Email address. I probably could be identified by name in a very short time as I often post using my phone. Tell me what, in my post #836, is defamatory. I only mentioned things which are common knowledge to any interested person and/or things which were announced by police or shown in published photos (example: Mon walking all over crime scene soon after crime). If you're so eager to dangle the word defamation around, you could threaten the police with defamation - for A. naming Mon and Nomsod as prime suspects, and B. disclosing many factoids about the the two. Are you going to claim the police were defamatory? ....or the newspapers, for printing what police announce? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Why is it ok for certain members to drag topics off course but not others. What has shutting down websites got to do with the Burmese ? Put it here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/774851-koh-tao-suspects-to-be-indicted-by-end-of-month/?p=9150245 9-11 flakes and shutting down the website. Not sure you have actually made a post in the 6 months since the crime was committed that has been on topic. From Post #801: It must be driving the real criminals crazy ... And just who are routinely being suggested as the real criminals? Try to keep up. There have been thousands of posts, just on ThaiVisa, and tens of thousands elsewhere. Perhaps you need a refresher. If so, go back to reading some of the thousands of posts, and you may put some of the pieces of the puzzle together. ...or maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) There are persons in any investigation that were once considered as suspects who have subsequently not been charged with any crime. To suggest that any such person is still complicit in any crime for which they were not charged with a crime might very well be considered as defamatory and/or libelous under the strict rules in Thailand. Elsewhere is not the matter. This is Thaivisa.com not Boomerangx.blogspot.com where you would be free to post whatever you wish and take the consequences should someone object. Edited March 6, 2015 by JLCrab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Was Mon taken to the police station as a person of interest. Yes. Not deficated. Did Sean say in his own writing, he got the wound from a motorbike then change to be a fight. Yes. Not deficated. Did the rtp say one person of interest was at uni and was that person nomsod. Yes, not deficated. Did the rtp say David was not killed by the hoe, then was killed by the hoe. Yes,not deficated. Every picture , every comment on here is coming from the people and the rtp themselves. Not deficated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jai Dee Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I think it's time for a little cooling off. I am temporarily closing this topic pending further discussion amongst the moderation team and forum admin. /Closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 As has been noted, the topic is closed pending a review by moderators and Admin. Please be aware that the laws in Thailand are very strict and Thaivisa makes every effort to balance the issue of freedom of speech with the laws of Thailand. The site is apolitical and does not have an opinion as to the guilt or innocence of any of the parties involved. Like many of our members, we would like to see justice prevail for the victims. In this case, there may be numerous people who are being unfairly treated. Some comments on moderation have been removed as they contravene the rules. We appreciate the concerns expressed for the welfare of the site and we will make every effort to keep the topic on track once it is re-opened. There is a report button for posts which clearly break the rules, feel free to use it judiciously and the post will be reviewed. Please try not to make comments directed at other members. They and their opinion are not the topic of the thread. Thank you for your consideration and understanding in this difficult situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Is it now open? I reckon so, if this missive gets posted. . . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandLover Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 boomerangutang, on 07 Mar 2015 - 02:52, said:Is it now open? I reckon so, if this missive gets posted. . . . . . Yep, looks like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaPiPuPePo Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Like Christians' belief in a virgin giving birth? And maybe like the immaculate belief -- whether true or not -- that the wrong persons are on trial for the 15SEP2014 crimes. Or much, much more plausible: And maybe like the immaculate belief -- whether true or not -- that the RIGHT persons are on trial for the 15SEP2014 crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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