Video of row on Skytrain spurs debate

[Bluespunk]

"@greentea_pt wrote: "Do we have to announce in schools, temples, hospitals and other places [that this type of behaviour is unacceptable]? Or should it be a manner taught at home?""

Or should we accept that people have the right to express their feelings for each other in private and public?

Should we accept that no one has the right to condemn others for doing so?

Should we accept that legal behaviour whether we like it or not is legal and therefore none of our business?

Personally people kissing and "whatevering" in public makes me want to reach for the sick bag, but that's because I'm bitter, cynical and old.

They still have the right to do it though.

Let people express themselves and be who they are.

Should we accept that it it not your country or culture so your opinion is irrelevant ?

Has it escaped your attention only Thais were involved?

Do the Thais kissing not have a say in what their culture is?

On an aside

I live here.

I work here.

I pay taxes here.

I have opinions and will express them.

No one, least of all you, can deny my right to do so within polite and reasonable tones.

You don't like that, then find another forum.

Edited November 9, 2014 by Bluespunk

[kaobang]

the woman lives in the past and the ladyboy lacks mental capacity because hormone abuse..

[Fatty123]

That's fair enough. I'll 'get over it' when you tell me where the line is, oh great one. Snogging? Touching up? Blow jobs?

Where is the line? I don't like seeing people eat each other's faces and getting bit touchy feely in public places. Sorry. But if you're ok with it...where is your line?

Let's see, the line?

Kissing is ok, touching up and blow jobs are not.

Simple actions showing affection [kissing/hugging/holding hands] is fine, overt sexual behavior is not.

Easy really.

Blues, did anyone ever provide video to show whether it was a peck on the cheek or a tickle the tonsils extravaganza? Some assume it was a peck and others think it was a make out session. I have yet to see video of how involved or uninvolved it was.

No I haven't either, not sure anyone has yet, if such a video clip even exists.

From what the story in the OP says it appears to be just kissing and hugging, there is no suggestion of passion.

The rest of the people in the carriage appear to be embarrassed by the ranting woman's outburst which suggests they think she os over reacting.

That's how I see it.

Am I right or wrong? Well I'll go out on a limb and say I'm no more of either than anyone else commenting on this thread.

My point is that, while I don't particularly like seeing people kiss in public, it's nothing to get so irate about if it's just mild displays of affection.

If someone is happy in a relationship, it's what they do.

Apparently.

Mild shows of affection in public shouldn't annoy, I agree with you on that. We've not seen the incident so it's difficult to say. The way the woman was ranting it made it seem like they were shoving their tongues down each other's throats. When couples do that, their hands tend to naturally wander. If that happened, then I can understand someone kicking off. If it was a few mild pecks, then yes, the old racist lady and manlady need to get a grip.

Also, I should point out that people tend to snog more in clubs and bars. I've done it several times back in my heyday in the UK. In LOS, Thai ladies won't do it as they don't want people to confuse her with a hooker. Sad, but true.

[metisdead]

A post with messed up quotes has been removed. Some other nonsensical bickering posts have been removed as well.

[JemJem]

Shouldn't these morals-loving (!) people care more about other things such as the never-ending fights between vocational school students; rather than making a fuss about two people hugging and kissing on skytrain ?!

Sad world.

[louse1953]

"@greentea_pt wrote: "Do we have to announce in schools, temples, hospitals and other places [that this type of behaviour is unacceptable]? Or should it be a manner taught at home?""

Or should we accept that people have the right to express their feelings for each other in private and public?

Should we accept that no one has the right to condemn others for doing so?

Should we accept that legal behaviour whether we like it or not is legal and therefore none of our business?

Personally people kissing and "whatevering" in public makes me want to reach for the sick bag, but that's because I'm bitter, cynical and old.

They still have the right to do it though.

Let people express themselves and be who they are.

Hey, I got a very nice skimpy speedo that I swim laps in. Its been so hot some days in BKK that I have had a real hankerin' to just wear that little ol' piece of nylon and my flip-flops as I go about my daily routine.

I was worried it would be taken as impolite to society but your words have given me personal encouragement to let my freak flag fly (as was a popular saying maybe 40 years ago).

Cheers

And how is that an expression of emotional feeling towards another? After all that is what these people were doing. It's not as if they were engaging in sexual foreplay, groping or other sexually provocative behavior or even any type of provocative behavior.

They were kissing in public."oh no, the sky is falling down".

It's no reason to bawl them out in public and chase them off a train.

That's the moral majority expressing their hate and bigotry.

Wonder if the woman would have complained if it was a man and a woman.

Some might say you are deliberately comparing two things that are not alike and are even talking nonsense for reasons of your own.

Not me though.

I'd appreciate a warning before you do it though, just so I can book an appointment or three with a therapist in advance.

Time and a place for everything; as snogging on public transport can make other passengers feel uncomfortable, best not do it. Not difficult to grasp really.

That's their problem.

[MilesofSmiles]

Puritan lady didn't get the memo....
Girl on Girl action should be filmed. For science.

You certainly won't find my wife allowing me a kiss or a little grab-<deleted> in public.
No way jose.
She would consider it a great insult to herself.

Why do people convert love into shame and tell themselves it's a good thing?

Woman: Oh, I'm sorry. This is a public venue. Aren't you shameless, snuggling up to each other like that?

MilesOfSmiles: Thai way or the highway eh? Time for my updated interpretation of the
traditional ping pong ball show.

Thailand is a society with teachings on sexual morality best described as bizarre, retarded and at odds with reality.

Thais like to talk up their "modesty" and adherence to the precepts.

It's selective BS that simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

My normal surburban street has 2 brothels. 1 across from Tesco, a 711 and busy eatery.

Girls sitting in the window, Huge banner up saying buy 10 roots get one free. Busy street.

Can't buy porno or dildos in a private shop. but go out to the super-busy tourist area, on the street, with police watching, can buy Dog porn, dildos, xanax, and grey market viagra (yay!).

It's a pi s-take of monumental proportions to purport to be a "modest" society that keeps sexuality private.

[BirdsandBooze]

If you can read Thai take a look at this story on Pantip. The Dee's friends are saying there was no heavy action and the guy filming the incident exaggerated the affection purely to make a story. According to others who were there they said the woman shooting her mouth off was a homophobe and the katoey did what katoeys do, jumped in to try and make the situation worse. Sounds about right to me.

[cookee68]

Are public shows of affection a little disturbing? A hug, peck on the cheek (or quick peck on the lips) is fine. Thais should note that most of us 'farangs' see public snogging as a bit lewd. I'm not a fan and you don't know where to look.

However, if it is two very attractive females snogging on trains, then my first thought was ''allow it...in fact encourage it''. However, most of the time you end up standing up on the MRT or BTS. I don't fancy bumping my 'soldier standing to attention' on the train with other 'trouser tents'.

So, sadly we can't have sexy ladies getting it on in public.

Why not, is a street not a public place? and yet I see Thais do worse things than that on a some public streets, affection is affection never mind how you dress it up or do it, some countries you can not even put your hands around a women's waist without a stare or remarks, but hey it is what it is, this is the 21st century get over it

That's fair enough. I'll 'get over it' when you tell me where the line is, oh great one. Snogging? Touching up? Blow jobs?

Where is the line? I don't like seeing people eat each other's faces and getting bit touchy feely in public places. Sorry. But if you're ok with it...where is your line?

every one has their own line, maybe you don't even window shop who knows, every time you see a man or women doing something you don't agree with, do you tell them or keep your mouth shut, every time you see a women working on a bar talking rudely or showing more than they should do you say something or keep your mouth shut, cos if you remain quiet then you have no line

[cookee68]

Puritan lady didn't get the memo....

Girl on Girl action should be filmed. For science.

You certainly won't find my wife allowing me a kiss or a little grab-<deleted> in public.

No way jose.

She would consider it a great insult to herself.

Why do people convert love into shame and tell themselves it's a good thing?

Woman: Oh, I'm sorry. This is a public venue. Aren't you shameless, snuggling up to each other like that?

MilesOfSmiles: Thai way or the highway eh? Time for my updated interpretation of the

traditional ping pong ball show.

Thailand is a society with teachings on sexual morality best described as bizarre, retarded and at odds with reality.

Thais like to talk up their "modesty" and adherence to the precepts.

It's selective BS that simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

My normal surburban street has 2 brothels. 1 across from Tesco, a 711 and busy eatery.

Girls sitting in the window, Huge banner up saying buy 10 roots get one free. Busy street.

Can't buy porno or dildos in a private shop. but go out to the super-busy tourist area, on the street, with police watching, can buy Dog porn, dildos, xanax, and grey market viagra (yay!).

It's a pi s-take of monumental proportions to purport to be a "modest" society that keeps sexuality private.

very well put

[KED]

What did she say? Falangs do that, but we are Thais. Right?

The tomboy said farang also do it and she shouldn't discriminate people based on race.

The angry women replied that that is the business of the farang.

She said that she is in Thailand and has never seen farang hugging and she now sees Thai people doing it, and everyone around is Thai and speaks Thai.

To me it's all bullshit, the irritated woman that is trying to defend the Thai culture is a hypocrite.

She is criticizing the people with a loud aggressive voice and publicly blaming them.

In the in end, the one that is the least Thai in this story is the angry irritated woman.

The "least Thai"?

I do not know a similar expression in the US. If this were an American mass transit and two Americans were in this conversation I cannot conceive of ones behavior being called less American.

The content of their conversation is quite enlightening as it demonstrates Thai perception and opinion of farang habits. Thanks for the translation.

I agree that it is hypocritical of the screeching Thai woman complaining about the PDA is un-Thai while her raised voice and hostile attitude is also un-Thailike. It seems that the couple is very even-tempered in the discussion.

As for unAmerican - I remember many instances in the U.S. when people expressed opinions opposite to others they are frequently called less American.

[KED]

The prudishness of Thais about kissing in public or going on beaches with very little fabric on, has always made me laugh, considering what goes on in the go go bars. Ah... Miss Bigotry and Miss Hypocrisy... you two dessicated old spinsters are here to stay.

So you are saying you see Thailand as a huge population of go-go bars or that go-go bars represent BKK?

What does the fact there are go-go bars in a seedy part of Bangkok not frequented by more than 90% of BKK Thais have to do with standards of behavior in public places amongst the majority of Thais who go to work each day and having nothing to do with the sex worker trade?

I think the point would be - if you are going to be the moral police - then maybe you should go after the prostitution and people trafficing rather than worrying about PDA on a skytrain.

[ClutchClark]

Shouldn't these morals-loving (!) people care more about other things such as the never-ending fights between vocational school students; rather than making a fuss about two people hugging and kissing on skytrain ?!

Sad world.

They can choose not to expose themselves to the prostitution by not frequenting those areas.

They are forced to take the public SkyTrain so they desire to keep that environment benign and free of specific behaviors. For instance, you don't hear people playing music on the skyTrain and you don't hear phone discussions (except very brief).

Its the courtesy of "shared space".

[A1Str8]

And after chewing on how they kissed each other-for two years, they went on to get a life.

[kamahele]

While I'm not a big fan of public displays of affection for myself, I don't see a problem with two people in love enjoying some kissing time as long as the clothes stay on etc. We could use more kissing and less killing.

[ClutchClark]

While I'm not a big fan of public displays of affection for myself, I don't see a problem with two people in love enjoying some kissing time as long as the clothes stay on etc. We could use more kissing and less killing.

I don't recall ever hearing of anyone being killed on the SkyTrain.

[ultimate weapon]

What did she say? Falangs do that, but we are Thais. Right?

It's a normal thing for Thais to say. I've overheard mothers talking to their kids saying things like, "where's your manners, you're not a farang". Racist but the way it is. I've no noaubt that some farang parents say, "don't do that, you're not Thai".

ROFL true sounds racist in a way (farang complaining of racism lol) but if you think about it that's the type of perception farang and the decadent western have been giving to the world. I mean say in a music performance. Miley cyrus twerking on stage that's how it's potrayed to the world. Everyone knows how rude some farang kids are due to lax upbringing. Even black comedians that are born and bred in western society like martin lawrence comments that farangs somehow don't really teach their kids too well so they lack manners.

At 6:22 into this video

[longway]

Speaking of behaviour on trains; I think this short musical interlude from japan will bring a fresh perspective to the discussion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d1604WtKig

And even it doesn't. I don't care. I have no idea what that was about but I would like to see that on my journeys on public transport,

Edited November 10, 2014 by longway