Lite Beer Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Ayutthaya ranks in 16 Greatest Cities In Human History AYUTTHAYA, 15 November 2014 (NNT) – Ayutthaya has been selected as one of the Greatest Cities in Human History in a ranking compiled by businessinsider.com, according to an official. According to the deputy governor of Ayutthaya Weerawut Putraserani, Ayutthya has been listed as the 13th of the 16 Greatest Cities in Human History by businessinsider.com.This ranking lists greatest cities in a certain period of time that brought about transition from one era to another in degrees of culture, arts, architecture, trading, agriculture, food distribution, the size of forts, and disasters.The list mentioned that Ayutthaya had been the capital of Siam for 417 years. It was an international trading center surrounded by the Pa Sak river, the Chao Phraya river, and the Lopburi river. The location for the old capital today is at the Ayutthaya historical park in the Ayutthaya province.Other cities include Tokyo, New York, Baghdad and Rome. Tokyo was selected from the fact that it is the economic epicenter of Japan. New York is considered as a metropolis of the future. Iraq’s capital Baghdad was included because of its central role during Islam’s golden age. Italy’s Rome was the sprawling city that fed its own people and surrounding cities in the Mediterranean. -- NNT 2014-11-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costas2008 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Athens was not included, because they never offered anything to anybody on this earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 once the greatest city of its time how have the mighty fallen? 1767 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kerryd Posted November 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2014 The headline is a misnomer. By "Greatest Cities" they are actually referring to what are estimated to have been the largest cities in the world during certain periods of time. It looks like Business Insider publishes this same list almost every year (in 2011 and 2013 Ayutthaya is also noted as being the 13th "Greatest City"). The authors of the study used various techniques to estimate the sizes of different cities from the time of Jericho (thought to be one of the first true "city") in 7,000 BC up until Tokyo in the late 1960s. The bit about "transition from one era to another in degrees of culture, arts, architecture, trading, agriculture, food distribution, the size of forts, and disasters" is misleading, as the people who made up the estimates were not trying to determine any of that. They were using some of that merely to estimate the size of the cities, not their cultural importance. Throughout most of human history, very few stats were ever kept regarding the population of various cities. "Historians Tertius Chandler, Gerald Fox, and George Modelski identified the largest cities throughout history through painstaking study of household data, agricultural commerce, church records, fortification sizes, food distribution, loss of life in a disaster, and more." I'd say there is a distinct difference between the "largest city in it's time" and the "greatest city in it's time". 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rheinwiese Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 the article is from 2011 as :The largest cities in Human History http://www.businessinsider.com/largest-cities-in-history-2011-4?op=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Translation with courtesy of the TAT? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estrada Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Athens was not included, because they never offered anything to anybody on this earth. Congrats Costas, a very subtle clue as to how Ayuthaya got listed. Similar method as used to get Vanessa Mae into the Winter Olympics I assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docno Posted November 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2014 Yep, I'd turn to a 5 year-old business-oriented website for my knowledge of human history. I'm now eagerly waiting for their list of the 20 best novels of all time, the10 most correct moral philosophies, and the 5 best religions. I wouldn't lose sleep over it Costas :-) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertthebruce Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 What about Dundee ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godden Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Do the Thais have a license to B S or what, oh sorry it's where they invented scamming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 why is the limit 16, and not 23, or 8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AnotherOneAmerican Posted November 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) Wasn't that the place where they used to drive the building posts in through the stomachs of live pregnant women, so the ghosts of the dead women were forced to protect the home? That was before the Burmese conquered the Kingdom circa 1760 and burnt it to the ground. Edited November 15, 2014 by AnotherOneAmerican 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil2407 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Shame that not a single student that I teach doesn't know the "old" name of Thailand or any of the teachers (including the over 40's) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapFarmer Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Wasn't that the place where they used to drive the building posts in through the stomachs of live pregnant women, so the ghosts of the dead women were forced to protect the home? That was before the Burmese conquered the Kingdom circa 1760 and burnt it to the ground. does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherOneAmerican Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Wasn't that the place where they used to drive the building posts in through the stomachs of live pregnant women, so the ghosts of the dead women were forced to protect the home? That was before the Burmese conquered the Kingdom circa 1760 and burnt it to the ground. does that work? Apparently not, else the Burmese would have lost. Or at least failed to burn the place. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canarysun Posted November 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2014 I love Ayutthaya I visit quite a lot! Fabulous for long walks,great for photography and I always rent a bicycle for 30 baht! Loads of accommodation at 200 baht for the night and take the " cool train " from Bangkok's Hua Lampong station for just 15 baht. I would recommend at least 2 days to see everything and fully loaded with delightful ladies who you can engage in random chit chat whilst strolling about! The afternoon river cruise is a must ( not cheap ) but well worth the 200 baht investment viewers! God Bless you all! Farang Jaidee 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExPratt Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I live in Ayutthaya, its a nice place . This may inspire me to read something about it, I suppose I could stretch to Wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Shame that not a single student that I teach doesn't know the "old" name of Thailand or any of the teachers (including the over 40's) Hardly surprising if you teach them the same grammar that you use in your post...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canarysun Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I live in Ayutthaya, its a nice place . This may inspire me to read something about it, I suppose I could stretch to Wiki Easy access into Bangkok with loads of trains most of the day and night for 15 baht but also you can rent a nice place for about 3,500 baht per month too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 shame they just let it fall apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acharn Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 "Italy’s Rome was the sprawling city that fed its own people and surrounding cities in the Mediterranean." Where did this come from? No city has ever fed its own people, much less the people of other cities. Even by the time of Julius Caesar, 44BC, the farms, plantations, and latifundiae of Italy were not enough to feed the people of Rome and they needed to import wheat from Egypt and North Africa. One of the reasons Rome "fell" was because the Vandals conquered North Africa, depriving Rome of needed tax revenue and making the price of food higher. There were many other reasons, and licentious sex was not one of them, but I'm not so sure Christianity was not. I wonder if this is a mistranslation or a reference to its ancient history under the Etruscans and later the Tarquin kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Ayutthia, that little nest somewhere in nothing... Compared with Babylon, Thebe, Asur, Persepolis, Jeruzalem, Sidon, Athens, Carthago, Rome, Constantinopel, Paris, London, Madrid, Vienna, Tenochtitlan, Cuzco, Palenque, ... I think even in S.E. Asia there are many cities of higher importance, and.. think of India, China, Japan, Korea with their over 2ooo years of history. Maybe only cities are counted, which are named at Channel 3-5-7-9 and 11 ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterwhisper Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) What a skewed news report. Firstly, the good Governeur of Ayutthaya apparently didn't realize that the list he cited was based on the total populations the listed cities had reached at a certain time in their histories. Ayutthaya was only included because it allegedly had 1 million citizens by the time it fell in 1767, with no doubt the vast majority of them living crammed into leaky bamboo hovels alongside polluted canals. Other truly great cities of antiquity like Athens, Persepolis, Alexandria or Palmyra didn't get a mention because their populations never were quite large enough to make the list. Secondly, the OP doesn't make it clear that the word "greatest" referred to the listed cities' population sizes, and NOT their cultural achievements. A better title would have been "The Largest Cities in Human History". Lastly, that original report was already published on the website in January 2013, almost two years ago. Governeur doesn't have much time to surf the Net, huh? Edited November 15, 2014 by Misterwhisper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilymat Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 The headline is a misnomer. By "Greatest Cities" they are actually referring to what are estimated to have been the largest cities in the world during certain periods of time. It looks like Business Insider publishes this same list almost every year (in 2011 and 2013 Ayutthaya is also noted as being the 13th "Greatest City"). The authors of the study used various techniques to estimate the sizes of different cities from the time of Jericho (thought to be one of the first true "city") in 7,000 BC up until Tokyo in the late 1960s. The bit about "transition from one era to another in degrees of culture, arts, architecture, trading, agriculture, food distribution, the size of forts, and disasters" is misleading, as the people who made up the estimates were not trying to determine any of that. They were using some of that merely to estimate the size of the cities, not their cultural importance. Throughout most of human history, very few stats were ever kept regarding the population of various cities. "Historians [/size]Tertius Chandler, Gerald Fox, and [/size]George Modelski identified the largest cities throughout history through painstaking study of [/size]household data, agricultural commerce, church records, fortification sizes, food distribution, loss of life in a disaster,[/size] and more.[/size]"[/size] I'd say there is a distinct difference between the "largest city in it's time" and the "greatest city in it's time". you mean the article is B/S ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocopops Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) "Italy’s Rome was the sprawling city that fed its own people and surrounding cities in the Mediterranean." Where did this come from? No city has ever fed its own people, much less the people of other cities. Even by the time of Julius Caesar, 44BC, the farms, plantations, and latifundiae of Italy were not enough to feed the people of Rome and they needed to import wheat from Egypt and North Africa. One of the reasons Rome "fell" was because the Vandals conquered North Africa, depriving Rome of needed tax revenue and making the price of food higher. There were many other reasons, and licentious sex was not one of them, but I'm not so sure Christianity was not. I wonder if this is a mistranslation or a reference to its ancient history under the Etruscans and later the Tarquin kings. I've read speculations of that sort. The fact that the most intellectually gifted of the age started to become theocrats instead of administrators and others who's energies are devoted to more practical tasks surely cannot have helped... Edited November 15, 2014 by cocopops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotpoom Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 For me....a nice example of useless information. The here and now is the only time there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arunsakda Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 And what of Scunthorpe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonKorat Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Why not Pattaya in top 16,it has many prostitutes,many ladyboys,many scams,many suicides, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Shame that not a single student that I teach doesn't know the "old" name of Thailand or any of the teachers (including the over 40's) Hardly surprising if you teach them the same grammar that you use in your post...... Perhaps phil2407 does not teach English? I guess that is your assumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biplanebluey Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Shame that not a single student that I teach doesn't know the "old" name of Thailand or any of the teachers (including the over 40's) Hardly surprising if you teach them the same grammar that you use in your post...... Not a single student DOESNT KNOW------ HA-HA That means they ALL KNOW------So whats wrong with that ??????? And you are a TEACHER?????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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