Bail request for Koh Tao suspects

[greenchair]

Actually,even if they are guilty, it is tragic for them and their family. 21 years old.

But even more tragic is if they are innocent. Yes,they do get to go home. Damaged forever.

Far less damaged than the other 2 young people. If they are guilty they deserve their fate.

If not guilty, they did not deserve any of this. Getting back to the topic.

There is enough doubt in this case, that bail with heavy restrictions should be granted. The Burmese government and embassy themselves said they would supervise the pair. The Burmese government themselves were prepared to put up the bail money.

The only way to solve this is to have the British coroner come to give evidence. For the defense.

Yes, I agree. The b2 most certainly should be allowed restricted bail.

And there is no reason why the British coroner could not be skyped into the court room for the defense to get the information they need to defend themselves. Namely, David was not killed by the hoe.

Guilty or not. We want the truth

And I see that the burmese defense team have found some witnesses of their own. Chaiyo

[greenchair]

There the defense go again (guardian )find the link yourself. Wah wah wah. The prosecution won't give up the evidence. How hard can it be.

1.Get dna from b2 parents.

2.send to British coroner.

3.ask if any match.

4.if match.make the best story you can and fight accordingly.

5. Oh no match,easy case they are innocent.

It doesn't sound that complicated to me.

Find your own defence evidence.

3 saboteurs. Do not throw away my interesting comment.

I read somewhere on Thaivisa that (according to the poster anyway) the defence have a right to view the prosecution's case/evidence against them?

Anyone comment on that please?

Well I can only speak from experience. They certainly will not offer it up. When I asked for the evidence, the prosecuter after much coercion told me I needed to fill an application form. I could not right thai and she refused to help me. I ran all over the court house to find some help. I got my evidence. In a stack of papers I found the 1 letter to prove my innocence. The judge chose to ignore that letter. I am now appealing.

So, yes I think they are entitled to view it.

[greenchair]

Actually,even if they are guilty, it is tragic for them and their family. 21 years old.

But even more tragic is if they are innocent. Yes,they do get to go home. Damaged forever.

Far less damaged than the other 2 young people. If they are guilty they deserve their fate.

If not guilty, they did not deserve any of this. Getting back to the topic.

There is enough doubt in this case, that bail with heavy restrictions should be granted. The Burmese government and embassy themselves said they would supervise the pair. The Burmese government themselves were prepared to put up the bail money.

The only way to solve this is to have the British coroner come to give evidence. For the defense.

Yes, I agree. The b2 most certainly should be allowed restricted bail.

And there is no reason why the British coroner could not be skyped into the court room for the defense to get the information they need to defend themselves. Namely, David was not killed by the hoe.

Guilty or not. We want the truth

And I see that the burmese defense team have found some witnesses of their own. Chaiyo

And I suspect the defense will make use of the coroners report.

[jdinasia]

Quote jdinasia..........

LOL

Fact : no connection to the RTP more than most long-term expats. I can only assume you don't live in Thailand if you know no police officers.

Fact : I can't find the source of your quote about the rather discredited Khunying Pornthip, but I suspect it is from Andrew Drummond, who we can't use here,

Fact: if in your conflating of the RTP and the courts you insist on endemic corruption from top to bottom; then the logical result is that if the defendants are acquitted it is because of corruption.

In other words, it is a zero sum argument.

Not very convincing.......

Quote jdinasia: “Fact : no connection to the RTP more than most long-term expats. I can only assume you don't live in Thailand if you know no police officers”.

Wrong on a couple of counts. Firstly you are wrong about me not living here because I do, and secondly on your assumption that if I lived here I would know some police officers………you are wrong again because I don't know any, nor would I want to.

Quote jdinasia. “Fact: I can't find the source of your quote about the rather discredited Khunying Pornthip, but I suspect it is from Andrew Drummond, who we can't use here”

A very weak argument indeed and I will list some other sources below, however just because it appeared in one of the capitals top newspapers, or has been quoted by Andrew Drummond, whose material we can't quote here, doesn't mean to say that you can't look it up for yourself, now does it?

Others with reference to Dr Porntip include: –

http://www.irrawaddy...estigation.html or http://www.schoenes-thailand.at/mordfall-koh-tao-porntip-kritisiert-unprofessionelle-ermittlungen/ or http://time.com/3487462/thailand-koh-tao-murders-hannah-witheridge-david-miller-zaw-lin-win-zaw-htun/

And: “Police botched every forensic stage of the investigation so badly that it cannot be un-botched, starting with contamination of the crime scene through to DNA tests,” it said.

“It is the opinion of world-renowned forensic expert Porntip Rojanasunan, appointed as the country’s top forensic investigator by (junta leader and Prime Minister) Gen [Chan-ocha] Prayuth, personally.

The public believes Dr Porntip.” http://www.mizzima.com/mizzima-news/regional/item/13709-koh-tao-murders-retraction-denied-say-thai-police

Quote jdinasia: “Fact: if in your conflating of the RTP and the courts you insist on endemic corruption from top to bottom; then the logical result is that if the defendants are acquitted it is because of corruption”.

“In other words, it is a zero sum argument”.

Another flaw in what is a poor argument all round. If the defendants are found guilty then money changing hands could have influenced the result. If they are found not guilty, then obviously enough money wasn't paid.

Now a suggestion for you: – go back and review all of the police statements from day one and read them carefully and see how they contradict one another (take your time because there are a lot of them); then look at the photographs of the crime scene and how just about all and sundry were allowed to walk over it; then look at the “crime re-enactment” and finally look at Doctor Porntip’s comments on any website you wish, and if you still believe that the RTP have done a good job, then everyone who posts here will know that you do not have an objective viewpoint.

Q E D.

Congrats, you are the only expat I know outside of a few in Pattaya, that doesn't know any police here. ( BTW my connections are all military not police)

Sadly Khunying Pornthip is discredited. I know her and she is pretty awesome, but she also backed the efficacy of the GT200'S in a forensic role.

I have said from the beginning that the investigation is flawed, but I don't believe it is fatally flawed....

I'll get back to you on the quotes, but the onus is on the person posting the quote to provide the link.

No, don't bother to get back to me on anything as it is just not worth my time, and I will have to do what many others have done and put you on the ignore button.

You state here that, "my connections are all military not police", Yet a few posts back you state, "other than having a few casual friends that are police"..........So which is it.......which one is the lie?

To blithely state that Dr Porntip is discredited because of her support for the GT 200s shows your lack of ability to see past one mistake, and to not acknowledge her distinguished career because you need to support your case in this matter (pitiful)..........

This from Wiki on Dr Porntip.

“During the Thaksin Shinawatra government, she repeatedly publicly accused the police of abuses.

After the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, Pornthip supervised the effort to identify the tsunami victims in the Phang Nga region. She and her team were widely praised for their hard work and dedication.

Her life story and her work in Phang Nga were documented in the 2004 National Geographic documentary Crime Scene Bangkok.

In April 2010, she was appointed to the Center for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation or CRES (previously known as the Center for the Administration of Public Order), a military organization charged with maintaining peace and order within Bangkok and the surrounding provinces during the massive anti-government protests in 2010.

Pornthip's autobiography, which details her life and most prominent cases, has been translated into English and available through Amazon at. In the book, Pornthip reiterates problems with state authorities in obtaining justice for those subject to injustice, a theme carried throughout the book”.

On 20 June 2014, media reports stated that Ponthip was recently ordered by Thailand's ruling junta to take over the Thai Forensics Institute and to "make a clean sweep" in reorganizing it.

Yes she was a supporter of the now discredited GT 200 “bomb detector” as were the Thai Army, RTP, Air Force, customs and other countries such as Mexico and India, but I would trust her judgement (as do the Thai public) over the corrupt RTP any day.

And finally/laughably you state that "the onus is on the person posting the quote to provide the link"..........and you know full well that certain links cannot be published here and I have already pointed you in the direction of some information which supports the woeful handling of this case, but according to you, you can't read it because I haven't published the links. Now how narrow-minded and stupid is that!

As I said, read all of the RTP reports from day one and see just what a complete and utter shambles this whole thing is, and there is absolutely no hope of a fair trial for these two poor unfortunates.

Finally, as I said previously, don't bother to get back to me because I will apply a well-known saying that I believe applies to you: –

“There are none so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see”.

Your quote sure fits you blocking so you can't see or hear,,,

There are none so arrogant as those who start a diatribe after saying that they are going to block any replies

Edited December 19, 2014 by jdinasia