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'Earliest date for election in Feb 2016'
The Sunday Nation

BANGKOK: -- Deputy PM Wissanu does not agree with Sommai it would be delayed until mid-2016

Deputy Prime Minister Wissanu Krea-ngam, one of the government's top legal specialists, yesterday said the earliest date for the next general election would be in February 2016.

Wissanu did not agree with an earlier estimation by Finance Minister Sommai Phasee that the general election could not be called till mid-2016, though Sommai's conjecture was based on the fact no one could predict when the new constitution would be ready.

Sommai also assumed the poll would be delayed by at least three months if a public referendum were sought on the charter draft.

Wissanu said he believed the charter draft would be ready by early September next year.

After submitting the charter for royal endorsement, Wissanu said he expected the King to endorse the charter either in September or October.

The lawmakers may take three months, up to December next year, to write the necessary constitutional organic laws. The Election Commission would take 60-90 days to go ahead with the election procedures.

"It is possible that the election date could be scheduled earliest for February or March. Definitely, it will not be delayed till mid-2016,'' Wissanu said.

He said his estimation was based on how soon the Constitution Drafting Committee could complete the charter draft. He said it would not be practical to write both the organic laws and the charter at the same time.

He asserted that there would be no constitution blueprint.

Wissanu also dismissed proposals for Thailand to opt for Germany's election system, saying the country adopted a party-list system, which he believed was too complicated and may be doomed to failure in Thailand.

Wissanu also believed that the public would accept a proposal to give limited amnesty instead of a blanket amnesty as part of national reconciliation.

"This means those who were involved in rallies during a particular period would be given pardon, not those who were accused of corruption. This would be acceptable to the public because it would not be blanket amnesty,'' he said.

Wissanu said several important bills would be deliberated in the first reading in December, including the inheritance bill which is expected to be considered three months and to take effect in June next year.

In January, the gathering of people in public places bill will be debated in its first reading. The National Legislative Assembly (NLA) would be informed which bills must be urgently passed. The government wanted the gathering-of-people-in-public-places bill to be passed quickly, as it needs a legal tool to control crowds.

Meanwhile NLA president Pornpetch Wichitcholchai gave the assembly an A-grade for its performance in the first four months, saying it had passed 30 bills so far.

He denied that the assembly was just a rubber stamp of the National Council for Peace and Order, which handpicked the members.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Earliest-date-for-election-in-Feb-2016-30248870.html

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-- The Nation 2014-11-30

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For an election that was supposed to happen mid next year the slippage will continue.

February 2016, February 2016, hup , Mid 2016, Mid 2016. Do we have any advances on mid 2016?

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There's going to be a lot of this as officials get their 15 minutes and as usual it will be all over the place as none will be on the same page.

I'm surprised that any of them are speaking out given the general's reputation for a short fuse.

If this is some misguided ploy to confuse the opposition it will backfire.

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So either the general was lying to world leaders that Thailand would return to democracy by mid 2015 or this bloke is undermining the generals intentions.

He wonders why he has so many critics and then lashes out with a temper tantrum when someone even dares bring his actions to account.

The bald face grab for power and the continuation of martial law will only further the impact on the economy Thailands reputation as a top tourist destination.

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They'll push it out another 6 months to a year as time goes by. Who will be accountable for decisions made during this two year period? Does the general have a succession plan in place should he have a heart attack and drop dead?

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Make them all work overtime and hurry things along ... investors and visitors (that are concerned about any of this) won't be waiting until 2016.

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So either the general was lying to world leaders that Thailand would return to democracy by mid 2015 or this bloke is undermining the generals intentions.

He wonders why he has so many critics and then lashes out with a temper tantrum when someone even dares bring his actions to account.

The bald face grab for power and the continuation of martial law will only further the impact on the economy Thailands reputation as a top tourist destination.

In another thread the general is quoted as saying all the countries he has visited support the govt's work and pay no attention to all the false information being spread ! !

Does this include all the statements, claims etc made on behalf of other countries, organisations and so on.

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Sommai also assumed the poll would be delayed by at least three months if a public referendum were sought on the charter draft.

But the new constitution was scheduled to be ready by April.... Now September. Nothing stopping them from having the referendum while the other reforms are being completed is there.

What they are not factoring in, is that how long is the delay going to be IF the people reject the charter in a referendum?.... and what if the people continuously reject each new version of the charter??

Also with the new public gathering laws, seems they are going to ban all public protests. One step closer to the PDRK style of 'control'.
If you stop the people from protesting, you just drive them underground and inadvertently plant the seeds of terrorist plots instead. Because if you remove the people's ability to voice their concerns publicly, they will feel the need to make their voice heard in other ways.
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They'll push it out another 6 months to a year as time goes by. Who will be accountable for decisions made during this two year period? Does the general have a succession plan in place should he have a heart attack and drop dead?

Maybe his brother or another military man the general anoints ?

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Sommai also assumed the poll would be delayed by at least three months if a public referendum were sought on the charter draft.

But the new constitution was scheduled to be ready by April.... Now September. Nothing stopping them from having the referendum while the other reforms are being completed is there.

What they are not factoring in, is that how long is the delay going to be IF the people reject the charter in a referendum?.... and what if the people continuously reject each new version of the charter??

Also with the new public gathering laws, seems they are going to ban all public protests. One step closer to the PDRK style of 'control'.

That was a problem last time. "If you reject this then that will delay elections".

What's the point in having a referendum on the constitution? If it gets rejected, then what?

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20 or so more months under the rule of a group of senile and incompetent old men!! Scary thought.

Sorry, I forgot Madame Kobkarn. Well makes it even more scary!!w00t.gif

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Yeah right, 2015 then 2016, 2017 it will never happen dear leader has the country for himself and I seriously doubt he is going to give up the family treasure.

Which would be much better than Shinawatra clan ripping the country off....

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Yeah right, 2015 then 2016, 2017 it will never happen dear leader has the country for himself and I seriously doubt he is going to give up the family treasure.

Which would be much better than Shinawatra clan ripping the country off....

When the military rules a country, either overtly or behind the scenes, you get basket case economies such as Myanmar, Egypt, Pakistan, etc. Do you really think that's better?

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Yeah right, 2015 then 2016, 2017 it will never happen dear leader has the country for himself and I seriously doubt he is going to give up the family treasure.

Which would be much better than Shinawatra clan ripping the country off....

When the military rules a country, either overtly or behind the scenes, you get basket case economies such as Myanmar, Egypt, Pakistan, etc. Do you really think that's better?

Or South Korea.....

Yes I really think it is better to have a General who want to do good for the country. Even not elected. Than some new rich corrupt politician who buys the elections. Of course both aren't without risk. But when I look the governments: Samak, Somchai, Abisit, Yingluck and Prayuth I would say the Prayuth government is the best (OK I admit the competition isn't very hard).

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Yeah right, 2015 then 2016, 2017 it will never happen dear leader has the country for himself and I seriously doubt he is going to give up the family treasure.

Which would be much better than Shinawatra clan ripping the country off....

When the military rules a country, either overtly or behind the scenes, you get basket case economies such as Myanmar, Egypt, Pakistan, etc. Do you really think that's better?

Or South Korea.....

Yes I really think it is better to have a General who want to do good for the country. Even not elected. Than some new rich corrupt politician who buys the elections. Of course both aren't without risk. But when I look the governments: Samak, Somchai, Abisit, Yingluck and Prayuth I would say the Prayuth government is the best (OK I admit the competition isn't very hard).

Of course not. How do you know what Prayuth wants is universally good for the country?

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Yeah right, 2015 then 2016, 2017 it will never happen dear leader has the country for himself and I seriously doubt he is going to give up the family treasure.

Which would be much better than Shinawatra clan ripping the country off....

When the military rules a country, either overtly or behind the scenes, you get basket case economies such as Myanmar, Egypt, Pakistan, etc. Do you really think that's better?

Or South Korea.....

Yes I really think it is better to have a General who want to do good for the country. Even not elected. Than some new rich corrupt politician who buys the elections. Of course both aren't without risk. But when I look the governments: Samak, Somchai, Abisit, Yingluck and Prayuth I would say the Prayuth government is the best (OK I admit the competition isn't very hard).

South Korea is a special case, it has had the US government watching closely and "guiding" it, especially during the decades of the Cold War, since the Korean War.

History has shown military governments to be as corrupt and self-serving as the worst of the elected governments.

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Yeah right, 2015 then 2016, 2017 it will never happen dear leader has the country for himself and I seriously doubt he is going to give up the family treasure.

Which would be much better than Shinawatra clan ripping the country off....

When the military rules a country, either overtly or behind the scenes, you get basket case economies such as Myanmar, Egypt, Pakistan, etc. Do you really think that's better?

Or South Korea.....

Yes I really think it is better to have a General who want to do good for the country. Even not elected. Than some new rich corrupt politician who buys the elections. Of course both aren't without risk. But when I look the governments: Samak, Somchai, Abisit, Yingluck and Prayuth I would say the Prayuth government is the best (OK I admit the competition isn't very hard).

Yes like South Korea, which under the criminal military dictatorship was one of the world's most corrupt countries and full of misery and human rights violations. After the last of the assassins generals gone (Gen. Roh was sentenced to death penalty for massacres and corruption than pardoned), the economy boomed.

Every single country ruled by the army has been digged in misery, corruption , violence and desperation. There has never been a single exception, that's why the world's happiest country is Costa Rica, because it abolished the army.

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A few days ago government officials said that in 10 months from the new constitution would be drafted by half, so that means another 10 months or 20 months in total to have it completely drafted.

Where are we 20 months from now?

Everyone knows that before a new constitution finalized there will be no elections, and that once it is finalized it takes at least 3-4 months to have the elections be in place.

So since I misplaced my calendar somewhere, is 24 months from now February 2016?

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My personal view for what's it's worth. Thailand needs the gov it has for at least another 2 years to weed out the worst of the civilian (read non-military) corruption. Then it might get a government that will be able to take over and actually be accepted for a period longer then a year before the demonstrations start again. I have not seen any great difference between the elected governments and the military ones that have been in power except for less demonstrations and to be honest less overall crime.

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Sommai also assumed the poll would be delayed by at least three months if a public referendum were sought on the charter draft.

But the new constitution was scheduled to be ready by April.... Now September. Nothing stopping them from having the referendum while the other reforms are being completed is there.

What they are not factoring in, is that how long is the delay going to be IF the people reject the charter in a referendum?.... and what if the people continuously reject each new version of the charter??

Also with the new public gathering laws, seems they are going to ban all public protests. One step closer to the PDRK style of 'control'.

That was a problem last time. "If you reject this then that will delay elections".

What's the point in having a referendum on the constitution? If it gets rejected, then what?

Just let the peoples council decide. Or the general can simply give it the nod, he has the power.

Avoids having to get the ignorant unwashed involved.

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So either the general was lying to world leaders that Thailand would return to democracy by mid 2015 or this bloke is undermining the generals intentions.

He wonders why he has so many critics and then lashes out with a temper tantrum when someone even dares bring his actions to account.

The bald face grab for power and the continuation of martial law will only further the impact on the economy Thailands reputation as a top tourist destination.

In another thread the general is quoted as saying all the countries he has visited support the govt's work and pay no attention to all the false information being spread ! !

Does this include all the statements, claims etc made on behalf of other countries, organisations and so on.

I'm back in the UK right now and I haven't been keeping up as much as normal so I don't know which countries he's visited or if they are ones that are likely to support him regardless of what he does. There's also the the fact which you appear to make that there is a tendency for the government to make statements on behalf of other countries which doesn't match the statements from those governments.

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So either the general was lying to world leaders that Thailand would return to democracy by mid 2015 or this bloke is undermining the generals intentions.

He wonders why he has so many critics and then lashes out with a temper tantrum when someone even dares bring his actions to account.

The bald face grab for power and the continuation of martial law will only further the impact on the economy Thailands reputation as a top tourist destination.

There's no real problem with a delay if it's for genuine reasons related to getting things done properly rather than just holding on to power. The problem is we don't know the reason or, at the moment how long the delay will be.

I don't think a sudden change from military to civilian government is a good idea. There needs to be a gradual change starting now. Much good work has been done but it's undermined by the continuing lack of acceptance of criticism and the lack of balance in the bodies in place at the moment.

There's an obvious difficulty in dealing with people who show strong support for Thaksin as he's a convicted criminal on the run who seemed to be sidestepping elections to get power but that doesn't mean there aren't people from the PTP/Red/anti Democrats side who are moderate and have an interest in helping the country. A lot of the problems starting last year were related not to the elected government as such which, whatever the criticisms, were accepted in parliament but to the Thaksin amnesty issues. Those moderates and the ones from the Democrat side need to be brought into the running of the country now so that whenever the election is held there are people running on all sides who have shown what they can do and hopefully will be voted for.

It's not just the election and the date it takes place but the fact that there's a credible, balanced movement towards democracy that is visible that is needed.

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So either the general was lying to world leaders that Thailand would return to democracy by mid 2015 or this bloke is undermining the generals intentions.

He wonders why he has so many critics and then lashes out with a temper tantrum when someone even dares bring his actions to account.

The bald face grab for power and the continuation of martial law will only further the impact on the economy Thailands reputation as a top tourist destination.

There's no real problem with a delay if it's for genuine reasons related to getting things done properly rather than just holding on to power. The problem is we don't know the reason or, at the moment how long the delay will be.

I don't think a sudden change from military to civilian government is a good idea. There needs to be a gradual change starting now. Much good work has been done but it's undermined by the continuing lack of acceptance of criticism and the lack of balance in the bodies in place at the moment.

Hmmm... but a sudden change from civilian to military rule is OK?.........

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