Prosecutors claim case against Koh Tao Myanmar pair is solid: source

[gamini]

It's going to be exciting, how they use that DNA "evidence" - taking into consideration, that the crime scene, was totally destroyed on the first day. Everyone could see that, from the first photos, also exciting with the "the DNA is not Asian" comments by the police.

I really can't see, how these two boys can get a fair trail....

Most Thais want to see a fair trial. Thats the reason the Thai Law Society has stepped in and offered the best lawyers free of charge. I think the prosecution will be no match for them.

[iReason]

Man says police beat him after he declined to be witness in Koh Tao murder case http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/4373

Says it all really.

Man makes allegation. Not willing to proceed and have action taken against police. Certainly says it all, doesn't it? Never forget, any one can make an allegation, but to be proven, factual evidence must sustain what is alleged.

Police allegedly offer him B700,000.00 to give false testimony. And you believe it? I thought, according to the allegations of many on here, they sought bribes, not paid them. Are we now having a bet each way?

The "Police" took it upon themselves to to bribe the Taxi driver with the reward money that the locals had contributed to find the killers.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/761751-koh-tao-islanders-offer-reward-for-clues-on-brit-tourist-killers-update/

Nice piece of work those <deleted> are...

[iReason]

It's going to be exciting, how they use that DNA "evidence" - taking into consideration, that the crime scene, was totally destroyed on the first day. Everyone could see that, from the first photos, also exciting with the "the DNA is not Asian" comments by the police.

I really can't see, how these two boys can get a fair trail....

It wont be as exciting as you think. They will never let reporters into court to see the farce.

Who is going to stop the reporters.... the case will be held in an open courtroom, you and I can both go.... and all the reporters that can squeeze in.... Is it possible TV can run a short IQ test before posters are allowed to post. But might not be so much fun.

Can someone post the picture of the man caught on cctv franticaly running from the crime scene.

The crime scene contaminated! this should be the end of the matter, what about the first lawyer to see the boys did he not say? "the boys were badly bruised when he saw them" , then he is thrown off the case.

The pic I saw was in the Daily I think but not sure it was on TV earlier on but not seen since.

Also have the RTP not heard that the locals on Koh Toh all know who did this but to afraid to talk.

Can a News team go undercover and interview a few (masked of course) A news team from NZ went to Chiang Mai and took samples from the room where the Kiwis and a few others died of mystery disease (poisen bed bug spray from cheap charlie) but still the perpertators walked.

I'm afraid Prayut if you read these posts that you busted a few big police with billions of bht are you to afraid to bust this murdering gang ruining Thailand?

Running back and forth close to the scene of the murders.

Edited December 3, 2014 by iReason

[lildragon]

Prayuth won't act because the connections the village head man has. The other big cop being hung out to dry is a completely different set of circumstances. Cannot be talked about on this place though without breaking the rules.

[iReason]

Prayuth won't act because the connections the village head man has. The other big cop being hung out to dry is a completely different set of circumstances. Cannot be talked about on this place though without breaking the rules.

I agree entirely.

That's why I have been saying all along, nothing will change. No White Knight to the rescue.

Nothing can change.

It's just the way it is.

T.I.T.

It's an inverse universe.

Given that it is an isolationist, xenophobic culture, how can some people here expect the Thai to think and/or react like those from the west?

[Eirene]

Watcharacters...there is a thread over there regarding this case. It didn't seem to attract as much attention as some cases. As of now it has fallen behind four pages in the Crimes in the News Forum.

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I posted this in the past and so help me if it was deleted it indicates an attitude on the part of the admin.

An organization which will look throughly into this is .websleuths dot com/forums/forum.php

These people do outstanding investigating about events and analysis things before police agencies have a clue

It is a site with members. Will www.Thaivisa.com allow for them to be involved?

[cookee68]

Thanks to the way the authorities handled this case, it can never be "solid".

Either way any verdict has to be suspect... In many countries such an poorly organised prosecution wouldn't be allowed in court.

The world is increasingly aware that therebius no such thing as a Thai justice system and the rule if law isis a best tenuous.

But it would and has been in most countries, Remember we have only seen and heard what most people have said, there may be a lot more evidence that we don't know about, so lets wait until the trial starts, and see the real facts,

[greenchair]

shoe fit.jpg

A picture says a thousand words.

Or two. Not guilty

[Strangebrew]

RTP stalling takes long time to ship cattle prod from overseas.

[greenchair]

In a thai court the judge pre-determines how many days each side will get for testimony. A good tactic of the prosecutor is to talk about many irrelevant topics to keep the focus away from the topic with no evidence. Like the illegal entry, which is nothing to do with this case. It should be another case tried separately Once time is up that's it.

[Jockey]

Man says police beat him after he declined to be witness in Koh Tao murder case http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/4373

Says it all really.

[kiwikeith]

shoe fit.jpg

A picture says a thousand words.

Or two. Not guilty

Local police identified Mr Montriwat as a suspect caught on cctv the night of the killings. Deputy police gen Somyot Pompanmuang said both brothres denied involvement and had been cleared by DNA testing. BK post. published 30th sept writer Terry Fredrickson.

I think they must have been just exercising for an hour or so before the roads becme to busy to run up and down.

[DJVillain]

Well... What a shocker... I was expecting the prosecution to tell the world that all of the information and evidence they have is suspect at best, that they don't believe they have any chance of success and that they know the whole thing is a set-up by the police to protect some people high up...

[boomerangutang]

The British report is finished, filed has been read by the people that need to read it. The British are waiting for the Thai authorities to hang themselves. The report will show the Thai investigation to be a total farce and an embarrassment to this Nation. Why do you think the Thai courts won't take this case?...The British that's why...they are shit scared and rightly so.

The British Police report is due in January. May be too late for the two lads.

Assuming the Brits have sent a preliminary report (summary?) to Thai officials (and we don't know for sure, because the Brits have thus far done everything clandestinely) - it would then be up to those same Thai officials to decide what to do with it.

For starters, if there's anything in the report which might implicate the Headman's people, they'll want that stuffed and kept quiet. Similarly, if there's anything in the report which may be of use to the defense of the Scapegoats, Thai officials will also want that stifled. In sum, it's like giving Thaksin advance notice of what the tax officials are thinking/planning in order to give the tax-dodger plenty of time to hide his assets and obfuscate the issue.

Let's hope the Brits, when ready to release their findings, will do so in an open way (to the press and the public) and not keep hiding behind the skirt of diplomatic proclivities. Frankly, it makes Brit experts look like they care more for diplomatic niceties than for finding justice for two fellow Brits, and putting the real culprits in prison for life, (or death penalty). It will be sobering, even for them, when the real criminals strike again. Who will it be - your daughter or sister or niece?

[JLCrab]

No -- apparently they're hot for blondes.

[boomerangutang]

In a Thai court the judge pre-determines how many days each side will get for testimony. A good tactic of the prosecutor is to talk about many irrelevant topics to keep the focus away from the topic with no evidence. Like the illegal entry, which is nothing to do with this case. It should be another case tried separately Once time is up that's it.

The 'Illegal Immigrant' threats were used, when the shake down got started (at the 'safe house', allegedly using torture), to scare the boys into complying. The B3 (yes, there were 3 at that time) complained more about fearing the 'pancake man' (street vendor pulled off the street to translate) than the police. Apparently, the 'pancake man' (who is from a sect which is rival of the B3's sect) got all pumped-up with being put in a power position, and harassed the B3 accordingly. The Pancake Man is prominent at the Beach reenactment, and he believes David's wounds were caused by a broken bottle. He's probably wrong about that (a broken bottle shatters as it's used), but he's closer to the truth (about what caused David's wounds) than the police, who still claim (stupidly) that David's wounds were hoe-inflicted. It's indicative of RTP's lack of professionalism (as if any more indications were needed), that they felt compelled to pull a street vendor off the sidewalk in order to communicate with the B3. Thailand/Siam and Burma have been side-by-side countries for centuries, yet Thais don't have an inkling about the Burmese language. Then, to instantly deputize the Pancake Man and allow him to fly off the handle with threats toward the B3 - further exacerbates the lack of professionalism endemic in the RTP. It's quite likely they videoed the proceedings, but neither you nor I nor the HRC will see it - certainly not a full version.

[kiwikeith]

The British report is finished, filed has been read by the people that need to read it. The British are waiting for the Thai authorities to hang themselves. The report will show the Thai investigation to be a total farce and an embarrassment to this Nation. Why do you think the Thai courts won't take this case?...The British that's why...they are shit scared and rightly so.

The British Police report is due in January. May be too late for the two lads.

Assuming the Brits have sent a preliminary report (summary?) to Thai officials (and we don't know for sure, because the Brits have thus far done everything clandestinely) - it would then be up to those same Thai officials to decide what to do with it.

For starters, if there's anything in the report which might implicate the Headman's people, they'll want that stuffed and kept quiet. Similarly, if there's anything in the report which may be of use to the defense of the Scapegoats, Thai officials will also want that stifled. In sum, it's like giving Thaksin advance notice of what the tax officials are thinking/planning in order to give the tax-dodger plenty of time to hide his assets and obfuscate the issue.

Let's hope the Brits, when ready to release their findings, will do so in an open way (to the press and the public) and not keep hiding behind the skirt of diplomatic proclivities. Frankly, it makes Brit experts look like they care more for diplomatic niceties than for finding justice for two fellow Brits, and putting the real culprits in prison for life, (or death penalty). It will be sobering, even for them, when the real criminals strike again. Who will it be - your daughter or sister or niece?

Wasn't one of the brothers caught on cctv supposed to be in Bangkok that night and then takes a staged DNA test in front of the media.

And where is the cctv fottage the police have as evidence against the B2?

[daveAustin]

Prosecutors claim case against Koh Tao Myanmar pair is solid

Well of course it is; anything less would be tantamount to loss of face for Thais, and we can't have that, can we!

[boomerangutang]

Prosecutors claim case against Koh Tao Myanmar pair is solid

Well of course it is; anything less would be tantamount to loss of face for Thais, and we can't have that, can we!

Right on. Prosecutors can't quite say, "the case against the Myanmar pair is flaccid as a donkey in a cold pond "

Just as surely, if any evidence comes forth which might implicate those who should still be prime suspects (the Headman's son and brother), ....then that evidence will be stuffed in a dark place.

And you can bet your 45 record collection that Sean won't be called as a witness. He was quickly spirited out of the country, the day after the crime, by cops (buddies with the headman's people), hopefully, by authorities, never to be heard from again. Brits probably have testimony from Sean (and other witnesses), but Thai officialdom doesn't want to hear anything which might implicate those who should be prime suspects. And the Brits may just play along because: causing loss of face to the PM and all his officials would be much worse (from Brit officials' perspective) than gaining justice for the victims and/or getting the real murderers/rapists away from the public.

[CharlieH]

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[BoristheBlade]

I hope the defence calls the head man to give evidence.

Ask why he employed illegal aliens and at the same time, ask was his son Nomsod on the island.

[Mooner]

Although we don't know who is guilty or not and if the B2 have anything at all to do with the murders I feel they will be charged. It seems that the British police support the RTP and unless the defence can pull a rabbit out of a hat it seems that it is curtains for the B2.

Too be honest the British are not going to cause a problem with the Thai government over two of its citizens no matter what. The Kirsty Jones case has taught us that!

Hope im wrong!!