Family of Brits murdered in Thailand say evidence convincing

[Crossy]

The topic is open, if it goes the same way as the others on the same subject it will suffer the same fate.

[jdinasia]

The topic is open, if it goes the same way as the others on the same subject it will suffer the same fate.

Thanks.

This topic should remain open and stay on topic. The families' request for an end to the speculation and for a trial.

[boomerangutang]

It would be interesting to hear what the victims' family members think about matters relating to the investigation and upcoming trial. There are several family members, so they may not all think alike on these matters. One member of one family made a statement which appeared to speak for all members of both families - but did it really?

And there's still the matter of British officials, designated as 'observers only' by the Thai PM. Supposedly, those same observers reported their 'findings/conclusions' to the victims' families - though the Brits only had the briefing of the RTP to reference. Who can say, with a straight face, that RTP investigators have been doing a professional and objective job at this?

Additionally, there are two families regarding the young Burmese men who will have been in jail for a year before a verdict is read, and will likely be locked up a lot longer, while appeals get bandied around. At the end of all that, they may be killed by Thai authorities, and they may be innocent. It's issues like those which keep these threads so busy. The general public want decent investigations, but they're not getting it - not by bumbling/subjective RTP nor by Brit experts who won't announce anything to the public. Is it because the Brits don't know much about the crime, or because they're under a gag order by Thai officials, or they don't much care, or.......?

Reminder: all RTP and Brit experts are paid by taxpayers. In other words, Thais and Brits are paying their salaries, housing, work-places, equipment, travel expenses. What are taxpayers getting in return? From RTP, an unprofessional investigation and all appearances of a cover-up. From Brit experts: NOTHING.

[jdinasia]

It would be interesting to hear what the victims' family members think about matters relating to the investigation and upcoming trial. There are several family members, so they may not all think alike on these matters. One member of one family made a statement which appeared to speak for all members of both families - but did it really?

And there's still the matter of British officials, designated as 'observers only' by the Thai PM. Supposedly, those same observers reported their 'findings/conclusions' to the victims' families - though the Brits only had the briefing of the RTP to reference. Who can say, with a straight face, that RTP investigators have been doing a professional and objective job at this?

Additionally, there are two families regarding the young Burmese men who will have been in jail for a year before a verdict is read, and will likely be locked up a lot longer, while appeals get bandied around. At the end of all that, they may be killed by Thai authorities, and they may be innocent. It's issues like those which keep these threads so busy. The general public want decent investigations, but they're not getting it - not by bumbling/subjective RTP nor by Brit experts who won't announce anything to the public. Is it because the Brits don't know much about the crime, or because they're under a gag order by Thai officials, or they don't much care, or.......?

Reminder: all RTP and Brit experts are paid by taxpayers. In other words, Thais and Brits are paying their salaries, housing, work-places, equipment, travel expenses. What are taxpayers getting in return? From RTP, an unprofessional investigation and all appearances of a cover-up. From Brit experts: NOTHING.

Boomerangutang, both families made statements as noted in the OP. Your attempt to diminish those statements because they don't match your agenda is deplorable.

[fritzzz25]

It would be interesting to hear what the victims' family members think about matters relating to the investigation and upcoming trial. There are several family members, so they may not all think alike on these matters. One member of one family made a statement which appeared to speak for all members of both families - but did it really?

And there's still the matter of British officials, designated as 'observers only' by the Thai PM. Supposedly, those same observers reported their 'findings/conclusions' to the victims' families - though the Brits only had the briefing of the RTP to reference. Who can say, with a straight face, that RTP investigators have been doing a professional and objective job at this?

Additionally, there are two families regarding the young Burmese men who will have been in jail for a year before a verdict is read, and will likely be locked up a lot longer, while appeals get bandied around. At the end of all that, they may be killed by Thai authorities, and they may be innocent. It's issues like those which keep these threads so busy. The general public want decent investigations, but they're not getting it - not by bumbling/subjective RTP nor by Brit experts who won't announce anything to the public. Is it because the Brits don't know much about the crime, or because they're under a gag order by Thai officials, or they don't much care, or.......?

Reminder: all RTP and Brit experts are paid by taxpayers. In other words, Thais and Brits are paying their salaries, housing, work-places, equipment, travel expenses. What are taxpayers getting in return? From RTP, an unprofessional investigation and all appearances of a cover-up. From Brit experts: NOTHING.

Boomerangutang, both families made statements as noted in the OP. Your attempt to diminish those statements because they don't match your agenda is deplorable.

And your attempts to refute the fact that this investigation is not flawed is laudable???

Please elaborate on how well conducted this investigation was done. Explain to us why the initial DNA samples were having to be sent off to Singapore for analysis, but yet when a DNA sample was collected for the media, it was magically analyzed in Bangkok and there was no match. This is a prime example of the screw ups.

[jdinasia]

It would be interesting to hear what the victims' family members think about matters relating to the investigation and upcoming trial. There are several family members, so they may not all think alike on these matters. One member of one family made a statement which appeared to speak for all members of both families - but did it really?

And there's still the matter of British officials, designated as 'observers only' by the Thai PM. Supposedly, those same observers reported their 'findings/conclusions' to the victims' families - though the Brits only had the briefing of the RTP to reference. Who can say, with a straight face, that RTP investigators have been doing a professional and objective job at this?

Additionally, there are two families regarding the young Burmese men who will have been in jail for a year before a verdict is read, and will likely be locked up a lot longer, while appeals get bandied around. At the end of all that, they may be killed by Thai authorities, and they may be innocent. It's issues like those which keep these threads so busy. The general public want decent investigations, but they're not getting it - not by bumbling/subjective RTP nor by Brit experts who won't announce anything to the public. Is it because the Brits don't know much about the crime, or because they're under a gag order by Thai officials, or they don't much care, or.......?

Reminder: all RTP and Brit experts are paid by taxpayers. In other words, Thais and Brits are paying their salaries, housing, work-places, equipment, travel expenses. What are taxpayers getting in return? From RTP, an unprofessional investigation and all appearances of a cover-up. From Brit experts: NOTHING.

Boomerangutang, both families made statements as noted in the OP. Your attempt to diminish those statements because they don't match your agenda is deplorable.

And your attempts to refute the fact that this investigation is not flawed is laudable???

Please elaborate on how well conducted this investigation was done. Explain to us why the initial DNA samples were having to be sent off to Singapore for analysis, but yet when a DNA sample was collected for the media, it was magically analyzed in Bangkok and there was no match. This is a prime example of the screw ups.

I have always said that the investigation was flawed, just not fatally flawed imho.

Regarding Singapore, is that a fact? However, once you have the reference DNA processed the vast majority can be quickly eliminated by others.

[rockingrobin]

It would be interesting to hear what the victims' family members think about matters relating to the investigation and upcoming trial. There are several family members, so they may not all think alike on these matters. One member of one family made a statement which appeared to speak for all members of both families - but did it really?

And there's still the matter of British officials, designated as 'observers only' by the Thai PM. Supposedly, those same observers reported their 'findings/conclusions' to the victims' families - though the Brits only had the briefing of the RTP to reference. Who can say, with a straight face, that RTP investigators have been doing a professional and objective job at this?

Additionally, there are two families regarding the young Burmese men who will have been in jail for a year before a verdict is read, and will likely be locked up a lot longer, while appeals get bandied around. At the end of all that, they may be killed by Thai authorities, and they may be innocent. It's issues like those which keep these threads so busy. The general public want decent investigations, but they're not getting it - not by bumbling/subjective RTP nor by Brit experts who won't announce anything to the public. Is it because the Brits don't know much about the crime, or because they're under a gag order by Thai officials, or they don't much care, or.......?

Reminder: all RTP and Brit experts are paid by taxpayers. In other words, Thais and Brits are paying their salaries, housing, work-places, equipment, travel expenses. What are taxpayers getting in return? From RTP, an unprofessional investigation and all appearances of a cover-up. From Brit experts: NOTHING.

Boomerangutang, both families made statements as noted in the OP. Your attempt to diminish those statements because they don't match your agenda is deplorable.

And your attempts to refute the fact that this investigation is not flawed is laudable???

Please elaborate on how well conducted this investigation was done. Explain to us why the initial DNA samples were having to be sent off to Singapore for analysis, but yet when a DNA sample was collected for the media, it was magically analyzed in Bangkok and there was no match. This is a prime example of the screw ups.

I have always said that the investigation was flawed, just not fatally flawed imho.

Regarding Singapore, is that a fact? However, once you have the reference DNA processed the vast majority can be quickly eliminated by others.

As far as I know the results of the Singapore dna analysis have never been made public

[fritzzz25]

It would be interesting to hear what the victims' family members think about matters relating to the investigation and upcoming trial. There are several family members, so they may not all think alike on these matters. One member of one family made a statement which appeared to speak for all members of both families - but did it really?

And there's still the matter of British officials, designated as 'observers only' by the Thai PM. Supposedly, those same observers reported their 'findings/conclusions' to the victims' families - though the Brits only had the briefing of the RTP to reference. Who can say, with a straight face, that RTP investigators have been doing a professional and objective job at this?

Additionally, there are two families regarding the young Burmese men who will have been in jail for a year before a verdict is read, and will likely be locked up a lot longer, while appeals get bandied around. At the end of all that, they may be killed by Thai authorities, and they may be innocent. It's issues like those which keep these threads so busy. The general public want decent investigations, but they're not getting it - not by bumbling/subjective RTP nor by Brit experts who won't announce anything to the public. Is it because the Brits don't know much about the crime, or because they're under a gag order by Thai officials, or they don't much care, or.......?

Reminder: all RTP and Brit experts are paid by taxpayers. In other words, Thais and Brits are paying their salaries, housing, work-places, equipment, travel expenses. What are taxpayers getting in return? From RTP, an unprofessional investigation and all appearances of a cover-up. From Brit experts: NOTHING.

Boomerangutang, both families made statements as noted in the OP. Your attempt to diminish those statements because they don't match your agenda is deplorable.

And your attempts to refute the fact that this investigation is not flawed is laudable???

Please elaborate on how well conducted this investigation was done. Explain to us why the initial DNA samples were having to be sent off to Singapore for analysis, but yet when a DNA sample was collected for the media, it was magically analyzed in Bangkok and there was no match. This is a prime example of the screw ups.

I have always said that the investigation was flawed, just not fatally flawed imho.

Regarding Singapore, is that a fact? However, once you have the reference DNA processed the vast majority can be quickly eliminated by others.

I happen to have personal knowledge with DNA comparison, and it does NOT get processed in one day. An example of USA analysis times here : http://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0086.htm

Private lab turnaround time:

http://www.genexdiagnostics.com/about/laboratory/turnaround-time - Genex guarantees the use of PCR technology and capillary laser sequencing for all DNA paternity tests. The turnaround time for DNA paternity testing at Genex is 3 to 7 working days for good quality samples.

http://www.genetica.com/geneticawebv2.nsf/?Open - Our experienced laboratory professionals have developed automated and streamlined laboratory DNA test processes that allow us to provide you with quick DNA test turnaround time. After we receive the samples in the laboratory, the paternity results of the GENETICA DNA Test™ are typically available within 2 - 5 working days.

But of course, the RTP have access to DNA comparison that is done in an afternoon.......

[jdinasia]

It was not done in an afternoon.

After your lack of knowledge regarding lacerations, you will have to excuse my doubts regarding any other claims made

[fritzzz25]

So please tell us the timeline then of when it was completed. Along with factual back up of this. I await your learned response.

[Jai Dee]

One baiting post has been removed from this thread.

[AleG]

I have always said that the investigation was flawed, just not fatally flawed imho.

Regarding Singapore, is that a fact? However, once you have the reference DNA processed the vast majority can be quickly eliminated by others.

I happen to have personal knowledge with DNA comparison, and it does NOT get processed in one day. An example of USA analysis times here : http://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0086.htm

Private lab turnaround time:

http://www.genexdiagnostics.com/about/laboratory/turnaround-time - Genex guarantees the use of PCR technology and capillary laser sequencing for all DNA paternity tests. The turnaround time for DNA paternity testing at Genex is 3 to 7 working days for good quality samples.

http://www.genetica.com/geneticawebv2.nsf/?Open - Our experienced laboratory professionals have developed automated and streamlined laboratory DNA test processes that allow us to provide you with quick DNA test turnaround time. After we receive the samples in the laboratory, the paternity results of the GENETICA DNA Test™ are typically available within 2 - 5 working days.

But of course, the RTP have access to DNA comparison that is done in an afternoon.......

It's odd that in your searches you didn't come across things like:

Court-Ready DNA Analysis in One Day

Bode Technology’s new Same-Day DNA Service allows DNA to be used as a crime fighting tool to solve cases early in an investigation. Bode’s Same-Day DNA Service provides forensic DNA analysis and a court-ready report the same day that the forensic evidence is received at the laboratory.

Or...

Should you require the results of the test sooner then we recommend our Express Testing service.

You can choose to make results available in either 24 hours or the same day (8hours).

Or...

"it is possible to process samples within 8 hours if the scientist is allowed to concentrate on just a small batch of samples. This is why express DNA testing and same day DNA testing can be offered but at a premium price."

Or...

"it takes less than 24 hours to generate one complete DNA fingerprint"

And so on and so forth...

[fritzzz25]

I have always said that the investigation was flawed, just not fatally flawed imho.

Regarding Singapore, is that a fact? However, once you have the reference DNA processed the vast majority can be quickly eliminated by others.

I happen to have personal knowledge with DNA comparison, and it does NOT get processed in one day. An example of USA analysis times here : http://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0086.htm

Private lab turnaround time:

http://www.genexdiagnostics.com/about/laboratory/turnaround-time - Genex guarantees the use of PCR technology and capillary laser sequencing for all DNA paternity tests. The turnaround time for DNA paternity testing at Genex is 3 to 7 working days for good quality samples.

http://www.genetica.com/geneticawebv2.nsf/?Open - Our experienced laboratory professionals have developed automated and streamlined laboratory DNA test processes that allow us to provide you with quick DNA test turnaround time. After we receive the samples in the laboratory, the paternity results of the GENETICA DNA Test™ are typically available within 2 - 5 working days.

But of course, the RTP have access to DNA comparison that is done in an afternoon.......

It's odd that in your searches you didn't come across things like:

Court-Ready DNA Analysis in One Day

Bode Technology’s new Same-Day DNA Service allows DNA to be used as a crime fighting tool to solve cases early in an investigation. Bode’s Same-Day DNA Service provides forensic DNA analysis and a court-ready report the same day that the forensic evidence is received at the laboratory.

Or...

Should you require the results of the test sooner then we recommend our Express Testing service.

You can choose to make results available in either 24 hours or the same day (8hours).

Or...

"it is possible to process samples within 8 hours if the scientist is allowed to concentrate on just a small batch of samples. This is why express DNA testing and same day DNA testing can be offered but at a premium price."

Or...

"it takes less than 24 hours to generate one complete DNA fingerprint"

And so on and so forth...

And those occur in Thailand? Please link us to services in Thailand that turn this around in 24 hours or same day.........

I await your links AleG

[jdinasia]

Fitz.

He clearly refuted your claim that it cannot be done and you were making the claim based on "personal experience" the same way you did with lacerations which also was proven wrong.

Initial markers for blood type can be enough to exclude a suspect

The tests were run at 4 different labs....

[fritzzz25]

JD, it appears that you have become a forensic pathologist as well as a DNA expert during this investigation.

What 4 labs were these tests run at? Where are the results?

And yes, I do have personal experience with DNA. I have conducted DNA collection from convicted offenders, as well as have written search warrants to collect DNA from offenders to compare against crime scene samples. I had offered to meet up with you to discuss some of my investigations and skills, however your schedule appears to be too full.

[rockingrobin]

I have always said that the investigation was flawed, just not fatally flawed imho.

Regarding Singapore, is that a fact? However, once you have the reference DNA processed the vast majority can be quickly eliminated by others.

I happen to have personal knowledge with DNA comparison, and it does NOT get processed in one day. An example of USA analysis times here : http://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0086.htm

Private lab turnaround time:

http://www.genexdiagnostics.com/about/laboratory/turnaround-time - Genex guarantees the use of PCR technology and capillary laser sequencing for all DNA paternity tests. The turnaround time for DNA paternity testing at Genex is 3 to 7 working days for good quality samples.

http://www.genetica.com/geneticawebv2.nsf/?Open - Our experienced laboratory professionals have developed automated and streamlined laboratory DNA test processes that allow us to provide you with quick DNA test turnaround time. After we receive the samples in the laboratory, the paternity results of the GENETICA DNA Test™ are typically available within 2 - 5 working days.

But of course, the RTP have access to DNA comparison that is done in an afternoon.......

It's odd that in your searches you didn't come across things like:

Court-Ready DNA Analysis in One Day

Bode Technology’s new Same-Day DNA Service allows DNA to be used as a crime fighting tool to solve cases early in an investigation. Bode’s Same-Day DNA Service provides forensic DNA analysis and a court-ready report the same day that the forensic evidence is received at the laboratory.

Or...

Should you require the results of the test sooner then we recommend our Express Testing service.

You can choose to make results available in either 24 hours or the same day (8hours).

Or...

"it is possible to process samples within 8 hours if the scientist is allowed to concentrate on just a small batch of samples. This is why express DNA testing and same day DNA testing can be offered but at a premium price."

Or...

"it takes less than 24 hours to generate one complete DNA fingerprint"

And so on and so forth...

If I recall correctly did not illinois state police cancel a contract with Bodedue to poor quality work

[jdinasia]

JD, it appears that you have become a forensic pathologist as well as a DNA expert during this investigation.

What 4 labs were these tests run at? Where are the results?

And yes, I do have personal experience with DNA. I have conducted DNA collection from convicted offenders, as well as have written search warrants to collect DNA from offenders to compare against crime scene samples. I had offered to meet up with you to discuss some of my investigations and skills, however your schedule appears to be too full.

Feel free to use Google for the information you are looking for.

As for your claims of experience,,, this is the internet and people claim all sorts of things. You were caught out with the lacerations claim, there's no chance I'd believe other claims after that gaffe.

[Linky]

JD, it appears that you have become a forensic pathologist as well as a DNA expert during this investigation.

What 4 labs were these tests run at? Where are the results?

And yes, I do have personal experience with DNA. I have conducted DNA collection from convicted offenders, as well as have written search warrants to collect DNA from offenders to compare against crime scene samples. I had offered to meet up with you to discuss some of my investigations and skills, however your schedule appears to be too full.

Feel free to use Google for the information you are looking for.

As for your claims of experience,,, this is the internet and people claim all sorts of things. You were caught out with the lacerations claim, there's no chance I'd believe other claims after that gaffe.

So if you prefer to put your head in the sand just say so.

[jdinasia]

JD, it appears that you have become a forensic pathologist as well as a DNA expert during this investigation.

What 4 labs were these tests run at? Where are the results?

And yes, I do have personal experience with DNA. I have conducted DNA collection from convicted offenders, as well as have written search warrants to collect DNA from offenders to compare against crime scene samples. I had offered to meet up with you to discuss some of my investigations and skills, however your schedule appears to be too full.

Feel free to use Google for the information you are looking for.

As for your claims of experience,,, this is the internet and people claim all sorts of things. You were caught out with the lacerations claim, there's no chance I'd believe other claims after that gaffe.

So if you prefer to put your head in the sand just say so.

I prefer my feet in the sand.

[AleG]

I happen to have personal knowledge with DNA comparison, and it does NOT get processed in one day. An example of USA analysis times here : http://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0086.htm

Private lab turnaround time:

http://www.genexdiagnostics.com/about/laboratory/turnaround-time - Genex guarantees the use of PCR technology and capillary laser sequencing for all DNA paternity tests. The turnaround time for DNA paternity testing at Genex is 3 to 7 working days for good quality samples.

http://www.genetica.com/geneticawebv2.nsf/?Open - Our experienced laboratory professionals have developed automated and streamlined laboratory DNA test processes that allow us to provide you with quick DNA test turnaround time. After we receive the samples in the laboratory, the paternity results of the GENETICA DNA Test™ are typically available within 2 - 5 working days.

But of course, the RTP have access to DNA comparison that is done in an afternoon.......

It's odd that in your searches you didn't come across things like:

Court-Ready DNA Analysis in One Day

Bode Technology’s new Same-Day DNA Service allows DNA to be used as a crime fighting tool to solve cases early in an investigation. Bode’s Same-Day DNA Service provides forensic DNA analysis and a court-ready report the same day that the forensic evidence is received at the laboratory.

Or...

Should you require the results of the test sooner then we recommend our Express Testing service.

You can choose to make results available in either 24 hours or the same day (8hours).

Or...

"it is possible to process samples within 8 hours if the scientist is allowed to concentrate on just a small batch of samples. This is why express DNA testing and same day DNA testing can be offered but at a premium price."

Or...

"it takes less than 24 hours to generate one complete DNA fingerprint"

And so on and so forth...

And those occur in Thailand? Please link us to services in Thailand that turn this around in 24 hours or same day.........

I await your links AleG

"I happen to have personal knowledge with DNA comparison, and it does NOT get processed in one day."

You were wrong, learn from it, move on.

[cdnvic]

Debate the topic, not attack each other please.

[berybert]

Can someone give a link to another country that can identify DNA within a working day ?

I am not saying it cant be done, it just seems that in this case a country that at first claimed it couldn't do DNA testing and was going to sent it to other counties seems to have become experts within a week.

[aimbc]

I think the time frame, same day, in which the DNA result came back does draw a lot of suspicion. The rtp were so eager to pin this on someone that common sense got thrown out the window. In a serious case such as this requires detailed work.

It's misstep like these that will come back to haunt them...Of course many more. But my feeling is that this case will be thrown out because of incompetence or bad evidence collection technique and contamination of crime scene. Which would be mission accomplished by the RTP as they were able to protect the criminal.

[Linky]

I think the time frame, same day, in which the DNA result came back does draw a lot of suspicion. The rtp were so eager to pin this on someone that common sense got thrown out the window. In a serious case such as this requires detailed work.

It's misstep like these that will come back to haunt them...Of course many more. But my feeling is that this case will be thrown out because of incompetence or bad evidence collection technique and contamination of crime scene. Which would be mission accomplished by the RTP as they were able to protect the criminal.

Not to mention they refused to let anyone else even see the result. Hmmm

[fritzzz25]

Non sequitur.

You said based on your experience it couldn't be done.

You cited links to commercial labs that didn't mention minimum times, they mentioned average times. He linked to information about actual minimum times.

My question. Would be working from a comparison sample. ; how much of a test would have to be run to exclude someone?

Bloodtyping markers alone could be exculpatory.

Commercial lab??? http://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0086.htm

JD, again you make claims with no sources to cite your claims.

I ask this question. Why are you so gung ho to convict two men of a crime that reeks of failure? You appear to thrive on the fact that these boys are going to be executed. Please enlighten this community on why you wish to see this occur.

[Jai Dee]

A bickering post and reply have been removed from this thread.

[jdinasia]

It would be interesting to hear what the victims' family members think about matters relating to the investigation and upcoming trial. There are several family members, so they may not all think alike on these matters. One member of one family made a statement which appeared to speak for all members of both families - but did it really?

And there's still the matter of British officials, designated as 'observers only' by the Thai PM. Supposedly, those same observers reported their 'findings/conclusions' to the victims' families - though the Brits only had the briefing of the RTP to reference. Who can say, with a straight face, that RTP investigators have been doing a professional and objective job at this?

Additionally, there are two families regarding the young Burmese men who will have been in jail for a year before a verdict is read, and will likely be locked up a lot longer, while appeals get bandied around. At the end of all that, they may be killed by Thai authorities, and they may be innocent. It's issues like those which keep these threads so busy. The general public want decent investigations, but they're not getting it - not by bumbling/subjective RTP nor by Brit experts who won't announce anything to the public. Is it because the Brits don't know much about the crime, or because they're under a gag order by Thai officials, or they don't much care, or.......?

Reminder: all RTP and Brit experts are paid by taxpayers. In other words, Thais and Brits are paying their salaries, housing, work-places, equipment, travel expenses. What are taxpayers getting in return? From RTP, an unprofessional investigation and all appearances of a cover-up. From Brit experts: NOTHING.

Boomerangutang, both families made statements as noted in the OP. Your attempt to diminish those statements because they don't match your agenda is deplorable.

And your attempts to refute the fact that this investigation is not flawed is laudable???

Please elaborate on how well conducted this investigation was done. Explain to us why the initial DNA samples were having to be sent off to Singapore for analysis, but yet when a DNA sample was collected for the media, it was magically analyzed in Bangkok and there was no match. This is a prime example of the screw ups.

I have always said that the investigation was flawed, just not fatally flawed imho.

Regarding Singapore, is that a fact? However, once you have the reference DNA processed the vast majority can be quickly eliminated by others.

I happen to have personal knowledge with DNA comparison, and it does NOT get processed in one day. An example of USA analysis times here : http://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0086.htm

Private lab turnaround time:

http://www.genexdiagnostics.com/about/laboratory/turnaround-time - Genex guarantees the use of PCR technology and capillary laser sequencing for all DNA paternity tests. The turnaround time for DNA paternity testing at Genex is 3 to 7 working days for good quality samples.

http://www.genetica.com/geneticawebv2.nsf/?Open - Our experienced laboratory professionals have developed automated and streamlined laboratory DNA test processes that allow us to provide you with quick DNA test turnaround time. After we receive the samples in the laboratory, the paternity results of the GENETICA DNA Test[emoji769] are typically available within 2 - 5 working days.

But of course, the RTP have access to DNA comparison that is done in an afternoon.......

Non sequitur.

You said based on your experience it couldn't be done.

You cited links to commercial labs that didn't mention minimum times, they mentioned average times. He linked to information about actual minimum times.

My question. Would be working from a comparison sample. ; how much of a test would have to be run to exclude someone?

Bloodtyping markers alone could be exculpatory.

Commercial lab??? http://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0086.htm

JD, again you make claims with no sources to cite your claims.

I ask this question. Why are you so gung ho to convict two men of a crime that reeks of failure? You appear to thrive on the fact that these boys are going to be executed. Please enlighten this community on why you wish to see this occur.

Yes, commercial labs. Your other link cites a paper about the state in the US with the absolute slowest average times. That link doesn't mention the fastest possible time for Connecticut and is 6 years out of date. The commercial labs links don't mention the fastest possible turn around times either.

I have answered your other questions numerous times. I am wanting the trial to see the evidence. I think they are guilty but am not claiming that I am sure of their guilt. That is what a trial is for.

If they are found guilty, and after all appeals are exhausted then yes, I would favor the death penalty. If the court acquits them then they should walked free ; even if acquitted only a technicality.

Edit - sorry - can't seem to correct the quote error in one of Fritz's quotes

[loonodingle]

There is a very good reason they denied the UK the right to verifyfy the DNA. There's also a very good reason the police chief renaged on a deal agreed with David Cameron and the Thai Prime Minster. You can be an old blinkered shire horse and plod along not looking left or right pushing to your intended goals but logic tells me that something isn't right. I don't wear blinkers and have an open mind as any decent investigator would. The goal is to prove or dissprove 100% so Hannah Witheridge and David Miller get justice along with their parents. Other than a couple of you on here no one else has achieved anything by slinging mud at each other. In fact obsessive compulsive disorder seems to have set in and some may need treatment.

Not many on here would make a good cop. To be dismissive of any evidence or to just say it's only a claim. Like the take driver for example. Taxi drivers don't just pop out of thin air and say they have been offered 700k. To poo poo this and say it's only a claim is nieve at the least and grossly negligent, enhancing the probability that hidden agendas are at play here.

To dismiss the only person who came out with naming suspects as a looser drunk druggie and then to see him leave in a short period time just hours with the assistance of the same people who are supposed to be investigating the case is another shining example of assisted failure.

Refusal to hand over cctv tapes.. Refusal to take DNA tests for weeks. It's a strange world when suspects can dictate their own rules. One that doesn't fill me with confidence.

[jdinasia]

Sean explained his social networking post.

There's no reason to believe the taxi driver claim. I find that claim to be ludicrous. People seem to think that there are ultra-powerful people on the island with unlimited resources, if that was true simply being told what to say should suffice to get the desired result. Certainly if it were true nobody would come forward to admit the coercion.

Haven't you claimed to be working with Reprieve or the defense and also to have a personal reason to dislike the RTP?

[DM07]

Sean explained his social networking post.

There's no reason to believe the taxi driver claim. I find that claim to be ludicrous. People seem to think that there are ultra-powerful people on the island with unlimited resources, if that was true simply being told what to say should suffice to get the desired result. Certainly if it were true nobody would come forward to admit the coercion.

Haven't you claimed to be working with Reprieve or the defense and also to have a personal reason to dislike the RTP?

There is no reason to believe that claim, because you find it ludicrous!

Ok, that settles that then.