Chonburiram Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Scania Siam never had a NGV Bus in the Thai market and they are not able to produce busses in the price range 3.8 - 4.5 million ฿. So what? Stupid whingers. Do not confuse Scania Siam with Scania... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim walker Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I hope it is the dropdown platform busses so that they can pick up wheelchair bound passengers or will it just end up with some cheap Chinese copy of a 1946 Volvo from the Ting Tong bus company in china with especially built Smokey diesel engines so that spares can be used from the old Bangkok busses to keep up the lovely high pollution levels in Bangkok. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beng Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 They want quality tourists to ride on sub-standard buses ? Of course, amazing Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprq Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 its about time to replace those many decade old smoky buses poising the bangkok population everyday... No, I love them, an essential part of the city's ecology -- and there's no corruption with them, just honest-to-goodness antique charm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Transparency seems as elusive as taking care of the publics tax money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 wouldn't have worked out anyway. High quality buses with cutting edge tech and superior safety standards...on those roads, operated by those drivers, in that traffic? Nah, Chinese quality is what's needed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 3000 ish buses at approx 4 mil each = about 12 billion... So how is the deal worth approx 29 billion to the winning bidder ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviss Geez Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 its about time to replace those many decade old smoky buses poising the bangkok population everyday... Obviously you haven't seen a Bangkok bus recently, no smoke from LPG/NGV powered buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviss Geez Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Imagine Chinese-made Bus crash in Thailand, a real massacre. We all know how strong chinese made cars (Cherry?) from NCAP yes? Chery cars will not be used as buses so the strength of those cars is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerbri Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 European and American companies caught handing out brown envelopes would face jail time. Not too sure about the Chinese. Well done Volvo and Scania.Nice to hear there are some companies with credibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydebolle Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Both companies belong to the world's best producers of public bus transport vehicles and follow among the most stringent laws in the world. If THEY opt not to participate in the tender, then I can only wish the tax payers of Bangkok GOOD LUCK as they are taken, once more again and possibly not for the last time, on a fantastic ride on the Thai politicians merry-go-round. The writing is on the wall ............... but the voters turned blind eyes for decades to the reality and now have to face the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Although Scania and Volvo are the most driven quality craftcars in Europe, they are not good enough. Chinese much better ! But when the sh.. really hits the fan (Thailand taken over by the Chinese), you politicians are retired in comfort, so who gives a f...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomacht8 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Maybe they can change there quality rice in storehouses against some quality busses from china.Who buys cheap, usually buys twice.Buy a buss for 5 Mio. with a lifetime of 5 years orbuy a buss for 8,5 Mio with a lifetime of 10 years.At a cost-benefit analysis, the authorities are not interested.The decision makers have only one question: "Where is the most money for me, here and right now." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdecas Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) I cannot think what fellow posters are complaining about; having returned to Bangkok after several years away, I find that the jointly-operated mini buses that duplicate many routes operated by the BMA have been upgraded. No more asphixiating belches of black smoke, no danger of being crushed by falling bodywork, no longer are they '60s vintage but they've been upgraded to the 1980s. And all for a modest eight Baht, hardly more than when I left. Now if they could only wean the ADHD-prone drivers off ya ba and look thung..... Edited December 15, 2014 by asdecas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExPratt Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 <script>if(typeof window.__wsujs==='undefined'){window.__wsujs=10453;window.__wsujsn='OffersWizard';window.__wsujss='4A56245FF3AA1DF0AB17D4C55179F65F';} </script> 3000 ish buses at approx 4 mil each = about 12 billion... So how is the deal worth approx 29 billion to the winning bidder ? Does seem quite a large mark up for 100+% profit, They would usually have a Defect liability period , say 2 years. Plus where are the buses being made if they are to be shipped then that wont be cheap. Probably for the winning company setting up a factory in Thailand could be practical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Search of Space Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 It needs more major company's to refuse to bid on projects which appear corrupt. It is a difficult, but wise decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsjohnsson Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Well done Volvo and Scania for not paying bribes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesWideOpen Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 The sun will rise tomorrow, and sometime in the future Bangkok will be full of Chinese busses. Not really even sure why they undergo the sham of bidding...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOC Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Scania Siam never had a NGV Bus in the Thai market and they are not able to produce busses in the price range 3.8 - 4.5 million ฿. So what? Stupid whingers. Do not confuse Scania Siam with Scania... "Do not confuse Scania Siam with Scania..." Hate to spoil your day but: Scania Siam is a wholly-owned subsidary of Scania Sweden. Nothing to confuse, it is the same company!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomacht8 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 This public tender reminds me of the tablets for school children.Does there still working any devices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOC Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Scandia is a sore loser. They don't make the product Thailand is requesting, "Cng/NGV powered", so they trash the buyer. I wonder does Volvo make a Cng buss? The only sore loser here is you!! Scania do indeed make "Cng/NGV powered buses.http://newsroom.scania.com/en-group/2014/10/29/scania-launches-new-gas-bus-for-bus-systems/ They just don't want to get involved in the dirty Thai game: Corruption and decades in Thai courtrooms to get paid!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 its about time to replace those many decade old smoky buses poising the bangkok population everyday... No, I love them, an essential part of the city's ecology -- and there's no corruption with them, just honest-to-goodness antique charm. Those "Hino" things seem pretty well indestructible any way, why not fit them with cleaner engines? By the way, what happened to those green minibuses, you know, the ones which provided employment to all the local psychopaths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chonburiram Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Scania Siam never had a NGV Bus in the Thai market and they are not able to produce busses in the price range 3.8 - 4.5 million ฿. So what? Stupid whingers. Do not confuse Scania Siam with Scania... "Do not confuse Scania Siam with Scania..."Hate to spoil your day but: Scania Siam is a wholly-owned subsidary of Scania Sweden. Nothing to confuse, it is the same company!! Dream on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peptidebomber Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 The junta should use it as a road safety campaign and buy the safest ones. I know Bkk buses don't cause many fatalities but it would be a good positive message. Busses in Thailand are death traps. It's my main concern about living in Thailand something that shouldn't be accepted as not our (foreigners) problem. The biggest killer of young men in Thailand is road accidents not protests or terrorists. Kill two birds with one stone, fix the corruption in the order process and use it also as a crackdown on busses and all <deleted> road rules. Thirty people dead a day and it's not even a issue that has been raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Aleman Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Considering the anti corruption probes going on I don't think it's a matter of bribes but merely the normal stupidity in doing business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamhar Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Those are pretty expensive suppliers, even to western countries. How they thought the could get into the Thai market, i have NO idea. But then again, there is a sky train in bkk, so maybe not so unrealistic after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOC Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Scania Siam never had a NGV Bus in the Thai market and they are not able to produce busses in the price range 3.8 - 4.5 million ฿. So what? Stupid whingers. Do not confuse Scania Siam with Scania... "Do not confuse Scania Siam with Scania..."Hate to spoil your day but: Scania Siam is a wholly-owned subsidary of Scania Sweden. Nothing to confuse, it is the same company!! Dream on... http://www.scania.co.th/about-scania/scania-in-brief/ Looking forward to your reply!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brfsa2 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Corruption all over the place... Thailand will never move forward and will stay 3rd world forever with the mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiChai Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Why would they tender for non aircon buses when temperatures reach up to 40 degrees C? Maybe buses are for the poor like SRT trains? Or condos are for mosquitoes? The rich would rather be stuck in traffic in their aircon cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesWideOpen Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Scania Siam never had a NGV Bus in the Thai market and they are not able to produce busses in the price range 3.8 - 4.5 million ฿. So what? Stupid whingers. Do not confuse Scania Siam with Scania... "Do not confuse Scania Siam with Scania..."Hate to spoil your day but: Scania Siam is a wholly-owned subsidary of Scania Sweden. Nothing to confuse, it is the same company!! Dream on... http://www.scania.co.th/about-scania/scania-in-brief/ Looking forward to your reply!! Knockout punch in favor of JOC !!! :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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