another day another rip off attempt

[quandow]

I ALWAYS look at my bin after each and every drink. I handle it very carefully, much as a casino dealer would handle cards and chips, so as to make it quite clear I am not trying to change the numbers or steal anything. Honest mistakes happen, dishonest mistakes even more so, so catch them early and they will know they are in your radar.

[The manic]

After 25 years I think I have only been cheated once or twice but as both times alcohol was involved and the amount was small I let it go. I have however been the recipient of an inordinate amount of kindness and generosity and honesty from Thai.

[onemorechang]

After 25 years I think I have only been cheated once or twice but as both times alcohol was involved and the amount was small I let it go. I have however been the recipient of an inordinate amount of kindness and generosity and honesty from Thai.

Good for you.

the moon is also made of cheese, i think

Edited December 24, 2014 by onemorechang

[pi2005ni]

I am still amazed at the amount of silly people who get them selves into situations here in pattaya. Were people go wrong is how they handle the problem , usually by sticking their chest out , raised voice and digging themselves deeper into a situation.I have found by handling the situation in a calm , polite manner usually solves the problem . By acting the big falang you get no where other than a visit very often to the nearest hospital . It is these low life falang that get everyone a bad name.

[pi2005ni]

After 25 years I think I have only been cheated once or twice but as both times alcohol was involved and the amount was small I let it go. I have however been the recipient of an inordinate amount of kindness and generosity and honesty from Thai.

HERE HERE

[Tham1]

I think it may be worth taking this to the Police if you feel strongly about it, why not lodge a complaint with them on Soi 9 and let them investigate this travesty. Hopefully the staff will be locked up in the monkey house and the tourist numbers in Pattaya will swell again.

[konying]

What I don't get is how so many of you are saying bad things about the OP. He was being ripped off. It doesn't matter if it was only 30 baht or any other amount. This tends to happen all too often in this country and just because some of you are willing to put up with it that just gives them more incentive to do it to others. I feel the same, I don't want to be charged more than what I am supposed to be paying. At what point do some of you feel it is alright to lodge a complaint? 100 baht? 1,000 baht?

It would have to be a great deal more than 30 baht. It seems like OP caused the server to lose face. Let's say the girl honestly thought it was 55 baht a bottle. Then it looks like you are "making a problem" over FIVE baht. At 55 baht a bottle, they are not making a killing. At 45 baht, they are giving it away.

In any case, making a fuss in a bar over small things can often lead to a BIG needless hassle.

No offense to all the guys standing on "principle", or to the OP. We all have our own ways of looking at these moral dilemmas.

You will find not too many Thai would be making a scene over 5-10 baht, so when a foreigner does it, who is supposedly rich, it gives all foreigners a bad name.

I know i have had customers wait for 1 baht change, yes you read correctly, 1 baht change.

He came to eat every single day and physically licked the plates, and always without a fail waited for 1 baht change.

1 day i wanted to see how long he would wait, so did not give back immediately.

30 mins he sat there, then asked about his 1 baht, and believe it or not had the nerve to return the next day.

You do not want to know what thai staff were saying and talking about foreigners.

Maybe what you say is true but I've never known Thais to be very casual when it comes to money. I believe in most Western societies, the norm is to return exact change to a customer in a restaurant, grocery store, or where ever a retail purchase is made...even if it's only 1 cent. (This is the custom in Thailand as well because in 7-11, Foodland, Subway, Swenson, or wherever I buy anything exact change, down to the last satang, is always given.)

I would suggest you train your staff that this is the expectation of your Farang clientele; and that they should follow their own cultural norm and stop trying to steal from your customers (yes there's a joke in there but I'm not going to say it). The customers can then decide how much, if any, they wish to tip. You might also try adopting this standard as your own as well as you seem to endorse your employees' theft.

Thank you for your expert advice.

Not sure which village in the West you come from, but the norm i am raised in, is NOT to wait for 1 cent change in a full service restaurant, even more so leave a tip.

No, i will not be training my staff to be nice to those who wait for 1 baht and rest assured i will not be loosing any sleep over 100 or 200 baht lost from a peasant with no manners or class.

Some businesses chose to cater to tight asses, make little to no profit and other businesses chose to be selective, hence why some businesses provide nice, clean atmosphere and other businesses provide pigsty to sit and drink in

[pi2005ni]

What I don't get is how so many of you are saying bad things about the OP. He was being ripped off. It doesn't matter if it was only 30 baht or any other amount. This tends to happen all too often in this country and just because some of you are willing to put up with it that just gives them more incentive to do it to others. I feel the same, I don't want to be charged more than what I am supposed to be paying. At what point do some of you feel it is alright to lodge a complaint? 100 baht? 1,000 baht?

According to some, when you get ripped off you just bend over and grab your ankles, because to complain is Thai bashing.

if it was an accident why did the cashier start screaming F you? all I done was to ask for my change

from the girl who was waiting on, I never raised my voice just asked politely.

when I had a drink in the place before I had allways drank large beers and after seventeen years here I may

of let my guard slip slightly and trusted the barmaid not to try and scam me.

a few months back I got a motorbike taxi to my place, I gave the taxi lad what I thought was 40 baht for

a short journey the driver gave me a puzzled look ? when I got indoors I realised what the look was for

I had given him 1020 baht! and when I told my mates the next day everyone had a good laugh over it.

most Thai's are not liar's and cheats some are.

You say all you done was ask for your change , however in your first post you say "so i tells her to go and get my change" that sounds more like the true story . manners or in some cases lack of manners is what caused your problem .

[onemorechang]

If people think getting conned/ scammed/ ripped off

Is just about bars and alcohol your very very mistaken.

Keep your eyes open, you never know what angle its coming at you

but it sure is coming. Most never know they have been done

Amazing Thailand.

Edited December 24, 2014 by Rimmer

[petermik]

I have been in that bar many times over the years and the staff have always been honest and helpful. I think the owners have another 2 bars on the same street, all are well run and great value.

Likewise-its one of my "locals" large board outside clearly stating prices and bill put in bin at all times clearly marked with what you have ordered......but then again I don,t go looking for conflict

[OMGImInPattaya]

You will find not too many Thai would be making a scene over 5-10 baht, so when a foreigner does it, who is supposedly rich, it gives all foreigners a bad name.

I know i have had customers wait for 1 baht change, yes you read correctly, 1 baht change.

He came to eat every single day and physically licked the plates, and always without a fail waited for 1 baht change.

1 day i wanted to see how long he would wait, so did not give back immediately.

30 mins he sat there, then asked about his 1 baht, and believe it or not had the nerve to return the next day.

You do not want to know what thai staff were saying and talking about foreigners.

Maybe what you say is true but I've never known Thais to be very casual when it comes to money. I believe in most Western societies, the norm is to return exact change to a customer in a restaurant, grocery store, or where ever a retail purchase is made...even if it's only 1 cent. (This is the custom in Thailand as well because in 7-11, Foodland, Subway, Swenson, or wherever I buy anything exact change, down to the last satang, is always given.)

I would suggest you train your staff that this is the expectation of your Farang clientele; and that they should follow their own cultural norm and stop trying to steal from your customers (yes there's a joke in there but I'm not going to say it). The customers can then decide how much, if any, they wish to tip. You might also try adopting this standard as your own as well as you seem to endorse your employees' theft.

Thank you for your expert advice.

Not sure which village in the West you come from, but the norm i am raised in, is NOT to wait for 1 cent change in a full service restaurant, even more so leave a tip.

No, i will not be training my staff to be nice to those who wait for 1 baht and rest assured i will not be loosing any sleep over 100 or 200 baht lost from a peasant with no manners or class.

Some businesses chose to cater to tight asses, make little to no profit and other businesses chose to be selective, hence why some businesses provide nice, clean atmosphere and other businesses provide pigsty to sit and drink in

You are perfectly welcome to run your business any way you like. However, I would just suggest that since it is the norm for a business to give exact change to customers, if you don't intend to follow this custom and instead will leave it up to your staff to decide whether or not to give any change, and in what amount, that you post a sign to this effect and place little notice cards on the tables so that customers will be aware of your policy and then can make an informed choice as to whether or not to patronize your establishment. A sign stating that you reserve the right not to serve "peasants" might be in order as well.

Oh, and the village where I was born and raised is San Francisco...I know, you've probably never heard of it.

Edited December 24, 2014 by OMGImInPattaya

[konying]

You will find not too many Thai would be making a scene over 5-10 baht, so when a foreigner does it, who is supposedly rich, it gives all foreigners a bad name.

I know i have had customers wait for 1 baht change, yes you read correctly, 1 baht change.

He came to eat every single day and physically licked the plates, and always without a fail waited for 1 baht change.

1 day i wanted to see how long he would wait, so did not give back immediately.

30 mins he sat there, then asked about his 1 baht, and believe it or not had the nerve to return the next day.

You do not want to know what thai staff were saying and talking about foreigners.

Maybe what you say is true but I've never known Thais to be very casual when it comes to money. I believe in most Western societies, the norm is to return exact change to a customer in a restaurant, grocery store, or where ever a retail purchase is made...even if it's only 1 cent. (This is the custom in Thailand as well because in 7-11, Foodland, Subway, Swenson, or wherever I buy anything exact change, down to the last satang, is always given.)

I would suggest you train your staff that this is the expectation of your Farang clientele; and that they should follow their own cultural norm and stop trying to steal from your customers (yes there's a joke in there but I'm not going to say it). The customers can then decide how much, if any, they wish to tip. You might also try adopting this standard as your own as well as you seem to endorse your employees' theft.

Thank you for your expert advice.

Not sure which village in the West you come from, but the norm i am raised in, is NOT to wait for 1 cent change in a full service restaurant, even more so leave a tip.

No, i will not be training my staff to be nice to those who wait for 1 baht and rest assured i will not be loosing any sleep over 100 or 200 baht lost from a peasant with no manners or class.

Some businesses chose to cater to tight asses, make little to no profit and other businesses chose to be selective, hence why some businesses provide nice, clean atmosphere and other businesses provide pigsty to sit and drink in

You are perfectly welcome to run your business any way you like. However, I would just suggest that since it is the norm for a business to give exact change to customers, if you don't intend to follow this custom and instead will leave it up to your staff to decide whether or not to give any change, and in what amount, that you post a sign to this effect and place little notice cards on the tables so that customers will be aware of your policy and then can make an informed choice as to whether or not to patronize your establishment. A sign stating that you reserve the right not to serve "peasants" might be in order as well.

Oh, and the village where I was born and raised is San Francisco...I know, you've probably never heard of it.

Yes Tenderloin does produce finest

[OMGImInPattaya]

You will find not too many Thai would be making a scene over 5-10 baht, so when a foreigner does it, who is supposedly rich, it gives all foreigners a bad name.

I know i have had customers wait for 1 baht change, yes you read correctly, 1 baht change.

He came to eat every single day and physically licked the plates, and always without a fail waited for 1 baht change.

1 day i wanted to see how long he would wait, so did not give back immediately.

30 mins he sat there, then asked about his 1 baht, and believe it or not had the nerve to return the next day.

You do not want to know what thai staff were saying and talking about foreigners.

Maybe what you say is true but I've never known Thais to be very casual when it comes to money. I believe in most Western societies, the norm is to return exact change to a customer in a restaurant, grocery store, or where ever a retail purchase is made...even if it's only 1 cent. (This is the custom in Thailand as well because in 7-11, Foodland, Subway, Swenson, or wherever I buy anything exact change, down to the last satang, is always given.)

I would suggest you train your staff that this is the expectation of your Farang clientele; and that they should follow their own cultural norm and stop trying to steal from your customers (yes there's a joke in there but I'm not going to say it). The customers can then decide how much, if any, they wish to tip. You might also try adopting this standard as your own as well as you seem to endorse your employees' theft.

Thank you for your expert advice.

Not sure which village in the West you come from, but the norm i am raised in, is NOT to wait for 1 cent change in a full service restaurant, even more so leave a tip.

No, i will not be training my staff to be nice to those who wait for 1 baht and rest assured i will not be loosing any sleep over 100 or 200 baht lost from a peasant with no manners or class.

Some businesses chose to cater to tight asses, make little to no profit and other businesses chose to be selective, hence why some businesses provide nice, clean atmosphere and other businesses provide pigsty to sit and drink in

You are perfectly welcome to run your business any way you like. However, I would just suggest that since it is the norm for a business to give exact change to customers, if you don't intend to follow this custom and instead will leave it up to your staff to decide whether or not to give any change, and in what amount, that you post a sign to this effect and place little notice cards on the tables so that customers will be aware of your policy and then can make an informed choice as to whether or not to patronize your establishment. A sign stating that you reserve the right not to serve "peasants" might be in order as well.

Oh, and the village where I was born and raised is San Francisco...I know, you've probably never heard of it.

Yes Tenderloin does produce finest

That's "lower Nob Hill" to you bub!

Edited December 24, 2014 by OMGImInPattaya

[watcharacters]

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zosa is from Iran.

He should be shown a little understanding.

[HeijoshinCool]

Must go down as one of the saddest posts of the year.

Hard to believe it is a genuine post.

Who the <deleted> even notices 5 or 10 baht and if they do would bother first to complain about it and second more incredibly go and write a post on a forum about it.

What a sad specimen.

Unfortunately there are quite a few of them in Pattaya.

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Yep. When I saw the headline, I thought maybe he was getting nailed for a few thousand baht at a car repair shop. That would have been, as always, a noteworthy and entertaining report.

Nope. Just a handful of coins.

Look carefully at the topic title. Notice the word "attempt." Seems the OP is constantly alert for any undertaking to "cheat" him out of a few coins.

[Rangsitreppin]

Far out dude just let them have there little 30 baht kickers god damn it they only make 5-8 thousand a month base rate .

Btw you lost face in that bar thats why your not allowed back

[OMGImInPattaya]

Far out dude just let them have there little 30 baht kickers god damn it they only make 5-8 thousand a month base rate .

Btw you lost face in that bar thats why your not allowed back

I'm really not understanding your logic here? Are you, and other's who agree with your point of view, actually arguing that shop/restaurant staff, who all make a salary of 5-8k baht a month, should be allowed to decide the proper amount of change to give to customers (any by extension, whether to give any change at all)? I find that a very curious attitude indeed...and do you draw the line at some point and where is that point? Like if your meal/purchase is 400 baht and you pay with a fiver...is it ok to only receive 50 baht back...10 baht...80 baht...none?

Why not just insist, as is normal everywhere else in the world, on your exact change and then deciding if, and how much, you want to supplement the sever's monthly salary?

[Seelow]

Far out dude just let them have there little 30 baht kickers god damn it they only make 5-8 thousand a month base rate .

Btw you lost face in that bar thats why your not allowed back

I'm really not understanding your logic here? Are you, and other's who agree with your point of view, actually arguing that shop/restaurant staff, who all make a salary of 5-8k baht a month, should be allowed to decide the proper amount of change to give to customers (any by extension, whether to give any change at all)? I find that a very curious attitude indeed...and do you draw the line at some point and where is that point? Like if your meal/purchase is 400 baht and you pay with a fiver...is it ok to only receive 50 baht back...10 baht...80 baht...none?

Why not just insist, as is normal everywhere else in the world, on your exact change and then deciding if, and how much, you want to supplement the sever's monthly salary?

You are not the only one who has no idea where the logic for this argument comes from.

Some posters here state that because the goods are cheaper here than in their own countries, one should pay whatever the price or mis price asked in Thailand. In my own country everything is more expensive, but there is a decent road system, decent education system and a health service and a rule of law that is generally adhered to without the corruption that is endemic in Thailand. Salaries are higher, as are taxes.

The price that we pay in Thailand for pretty much none of these benefits is reflected in lower prices.

Would these posters tolerate that behaviour in their own countries, even if the shopkeeper/bartender had the nerve to try rip off pricing? Somehow I don't think so.

[Bear0Mack]

LOL worrying about 30 Baht in a brothel.

From what I read this is a bar and a guesthouse if I know the one he is talking about, not a brothel, but that is beside the OP's point. People like you and all the people who liked your post will never get it, never. It's not about how much money it is, it is about the lying and cheating and scamming. I just had a motorcycle taxi guy try to cheat me out of 10 baht last night buy pulling a confusion scam as money was handed back and forth. Of course, I can afford to lose 10 baht, but why should I like it. I don't like it and I never will like it.

I guess people like you enjoy being lied to and scammed and cheated. More power to you. Come on over to my home and I'll be happy to cheat you out of some money or I can lie to you, whatever you would like.

I understand both sides of the coin, and like most intelligent people I don't like people trying to rip my off, nor do I like to make a scene. Therefore, I usually go for the carrot, rather than the stick approach.

All arguments about how much we should pay a taxi aside, some taxis don't give the full change from the fare in Bangkok. It's definitely not polite acting so self entitled, at least in Australian culture. Having said that though, I'm not sure if that's just part of the culture, and what Thai people also expect, because from my experience, Thai people usually give the coins for a tip. So when the taxi driver gives me all of my change, I will thank him and give him a small tip to promote that behaviour. It's worth it, because we both gain face, and that is very important in Thai culture from what I understand.

What I'm saying is that if you're not scammed in an industry you'd normally expect to be scammed, like taxis and bars, why not give a tip? It sets the precedent that it pays to be good and gives us foreigners a good face (reputation).

Your thoughts?

[onemorechang]

Don’t let people take your money. no matter who they are.

Its your choice to give to who you want when you want, its yours.

If you have to make a fuss to try and get your change, do just that.

Then go give the change to someone in the street with no arms or legs, they need it

not some thieving sod on a wage, also if you say nothing nothing will change.

Don’t get hospitalized over a few baht but stand your ground.

Tipping is a good thing, I do this, but its your choice of how much and to who.

If you have bad service take all the change every baht.

and like I said give it to someone who disserves you generosity.

happy Christmas

[bluesky76]

Lol what a tight git.. U should be embaressed! Then u go online to tell everyone.. Shame on u. Keenok farang.

[onemorechang]

Lol what a tight git.. U should be embaressed! Then u go online to tell everyone.. Shame on u. Keenok farang.

Not at all, just not a fool like some people.

i know who to give money to and who not.

Sounds like you dont.

Have a nice day.

Edited December 25, 2014 by onemorechang

[smedly]

well I was caught off guard a few nights ago, if I'm in a strange bar and they are not showing prices I will ask before I order as they tend to just make it up as they go, maid in Thailand last bar on the left going towards soi buekow (still in MIT complex)

3 of us and ordered 2x sangsom cokes and another drink (normally 50baht in the complex) first thing I noticed was the ladyboy casher left the bins on the bar and didn't bring them to the table - red flag, I asked LB to bring them to the table - dirty look from LB, 110baht for each sangsom, we were the only customers in the bar and is of little wonder - we got up and left after a few comments about why the bar was empty charging WS prices - if we had had our normal 3-4 drinks at each bar we visit that would have been almost 500baht each for a 6baht drink

moral of the story always ask before ordering if price is not displayed

[MrWorldwide]

Can someone please explain the attraction of Buakhow ? I frequently walk through it on my way to more attractive venues, but I've never really understood why anyone would want to park their carcass there from 10am in the morning and stare out at the traffic.

[guzzi850m2]

Can someone please explain the attraction of Buakhow ? I frequently walk through it on my way to more attractive venues, but I've never really understood why anyone would want to park their carcass there from 10am in the morning and stare out at the traffic.

There are some quite lively bars there and they are generally cheap (if you don't get cheated 10 baht per beer, that is) LOL.

Then you have soi LK next to soi Diana In, some good places there as well.

Not all tourists/expats can or will pay Walking street prices.

I think some of the 1 or 2 week millionaires don't gets far away from their hotel so they find a bar close by and find a girl too perhaps? Living the dream.

But all in all I agree with you, when I go out (which is very very seldom now), I normally find a place on Beach road where you can also have relatively cheap beers.

[OMGImInPattaya]

Can someone please explain the attraction of Buakhow ? I frequently walk through it on my way to more attractive venues, but I've never really understood why anyone would want to park their carcass there from 10am in the morning and stare out at the traffic.

It's a beehive of ladyboy activity...both freelancers and bars...what other reason does anyone need.

Also, if I'm in the area in the morning, one of my fav breakfast places, Loaf Bakery, is there.

[A1Str8]

What's up with the lame comments, calling the OP cheap etc. He didn't let them rip him off. You obviously do every time you go out. That's your problem.

Edited December 25, 2014 by A1Str8

[Luxfare]

What's up with the lame comments, calling the OP cheap etc. He didn't let them rip him off. You obviously do every time you go out. That's your problem.

I don't get ripped off every time I go out, however I'm one of the Farang who treat the Thais with respect and tip accordingly so maybe they don't rip me off because of that.

Some of the cheapskate Thai haters on here (who choose to live in the nation they continually complain about) probably don't and get treat accordingly.

[onemorechang]

Tipping and respect in the same sentence.

What a school boy error for you in Thailand.

Have you ever been here for more than two weeks at a tine ?

Have a nice day

[OMGImInPattaya]

What's up with the lame comments, calling the OP cheap etc. He didn't let them rip him off. You obviously do every time you go out. That's your problem.

I don't get ripped off every time I go out, however I'm one of the Farang who treat the Thais with respect and tip accordingly so maybe they don't rip me off because of that.

Some of the cheapskate Thai haters on here (who choose to live in the nation they continually complain about) probably don't and get treat accordingly.

I think the point some us are try to make is it' s up to the customer to decide to tip, and for how much, not the server/cashier.