Benmart Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 This is not about lack of Thai safety standards. But a combination of the victim not being aware and his adventurous spirit!! When you bungy-jump, you take risks!! Yes we all have to be careful, but please do not make Thailand into another boring western nanny state!! I wasn't there and cannot comment on the awareness or adventuresome spirit of the man with much credibility.What I do know is that people slip, stumble, misjudge when walking. I do know that people sometimes suffer from vision impairment or other medical conditions that affect depth perception, heights, etc. I don't know the man or his medical history. I do know that safety regulations often prevent people from being seriously injured or killed. The challenge is to temper regulation with a safe environment. Else, I suppose, let the government abolish traffic signals, railings, wiring insulation, warning signs, sidewalks, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamalaRider Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 He fell of the stairs of the moving train? They should probably should lock the doors before the train starts moving ... What doors? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 The incident was the third involving the Thonburi-Nam Tok train in a month. I recall at least one of them was also deadly. For sure nothing wrong with the service, only the passengers to blame 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 RIP and condolences to the family What was he doing outside on the stairs when the train was moving? Why did the train leave when not all passengers were inside? You have ridden on the train, right? All sorts of shenanigans going on. Big heavy piece of equipment.....people don't take due care. Then there's the people that drive ride and walk out in front of them. The weight of the train ensure human bone is minded to powder. Human torsos are sliced like a knife through soft butter. Enough. We are not stupid.. trains are big and uncaring..people are soft...we get the point without the graphic innuendos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 The incident was the third involving the Thonburi-Nam Tok train in a month. I recall at least one of them was also deadly. For sure nothing wrong with the service, only the passengers to blame Actually, there is no service. I have seen, in other countries, uniformed employees who watch out for things like this. The train comes to a complete stop, all passengers debark/embark, final check for strays and closed doors, then the whistles are sounded and train leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usual Suspect Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Do you think that maybe........just maybe, they should review their safety procedures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 RIP and condolences to the family What was he doing outside on the stairs when the train was moving? Why did the train leave when not all passengers were inside? You have ridden on the train, right?All sorts of shenanigans going on. Big heavy piece of equipment.....people don't take due care. Then there's the people that drive ride and walk out in front of them. The weight of the train ensure human bone is minded to powder. Human torsos are sliced like a knife through soft butter. Lovely sensitive post same for your first effort.....NOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverdie Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Do you think that maybe........just maybe, they should review their safety procedures? What safety procedures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cekipa Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 what an horrible tragedy. RIP the poor guy and condolescences to the family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Traveller Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Minimum safety standards could have prevented this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 (edited) The fact that there have been 3 incidents this months (and I quote) "The incident was the third involving the Thonburi-Nam Tok train in a month. This may point to there being a safety concern with this train service. If safety was a priority then there should be no normal circumstances where a father with his family could be killed using this transport. When I say "normal" i mean getting on and off the train etc. I doubt very much there was any unusual activity being performed by the man. So it is fairly safe to assume the safety of the service is in question here. From the OP: A Dutch tourist was killed when he slipped from the stairs of a moving Nam Tok train and fell on the tracks and ground over by its wheels The train WAS moving, so he would not have been getting on or off ....well, should not have been. So I would say he was doing something "unusual" ....leaning out to get a video or photo perhaps, slipped off the steps perhaps ? So it's not the safety of the service but his actions that are in question. Edited December 25, 2014 by MikeN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losername Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Don't blame the tourists when this happens time and again. In a civilized country the rail road company would be held responsible and this "avoidable" accident would be prevented. Is there not even a semblance of decency here? Surely you are not suggesting that people should not be responsible for their own actions and safety. Last week I was on a tour boat out from Koh Chang. This was a snorkelling trip and in a period of 5 hours there were two incidents where the Thai crew had to pluck Farang men from the water. Neither man was wearing a lifejacket, one had a heart problem and had forgotten his medication and the other had breathing problems. The conduct of the Thai crew was exemplary but one has to wonder about the behaviour of the Farang. It is not just a them and us distribution of safety awareness. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviss Geez Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 One of the reasons this railway attracts so many tourists is because it does not meet modern safety standards. if the trains and bridges were exactly like the ones you have in your safety obsessed conscious western world maybe they would be too boring to visit. Yes the tourist should be better informed about the differences between Thailand and the perfectly "safe" west, but when a tourist chooses to visit Thailand he cannot expect the same standards to apply and must take some additional efforts to adapt. Nobody deserves to be killed this way on Xmas eve, but let us leave the Nanny State mentality at home when we come to a third world country. "...but let us leave the Nanny State mentality at home when we come to a third world country." This accident happened in Thailand, not in a third world country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviss Geez Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 .......and nobody saw anything.....or knows anything...except seeing him.... after the fact.....??? ...only the witnesses who were quoted in the OP. "As the train was leaving Ban Pupong station, witnesses said he was seen falling down from the stairs of the moving train and trapped in between two train carriages. He was dragged onto the tracks and ground by the running wheels on the middle of the body." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timewilltell Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 This train stops and accelerates quickly before people (mainly tourists) have been able to find a seat. The safety of this part Kanchanaburi railroad and maintenance of wooden bridges is awful. The article mentions only the Christian names of the victim, not the family name. Again a total unnecessary horrible accident in a country where safety standards are not met. Railway of Thailand should be ashamed of themselves. And TAT keeps shouting their positive forecasts. i dont think your comment is fair ''yet'',yes standards here are poor,but in some cases the tourist is to blame...unless you know some facts we are not aware of..cheers In a country where they are about to build a spanking new high speed rail link courtesy of the wolf in a pandas clothing, one might think they can afford to improve the safety and f the existing network. There are too many people losing their lives through a form of transport that should be able to be of the safest. Why make excuses when really none are 'fair'. Fair would be to sort out the problems and respect the lives of their customers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retell Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Rip condolences to his family , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retell Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Now people a person has died a horrible way so please refrain from stupid comments show a bit respect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Robby nz Posted December 25, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2014 I wonder if those blaming the train, railways, safety standards have ever been on that train, or any other in this country for that matter ? I have been on it several times and other than it consisting of 3rd class carriages, which they tell you they are, there is little wrong with the train or the safety. The train does not move off till everyone is on board and clear, there is an employee on the platform with flags and another in the first and last carriage, it does not move till they have 3 green flags. They do however have to rely on some common sense from those who ride on the train and from what I have seen it is lacking in some cases. I have seen people leaning out the doors hanging on with one hand and taking photos along the moving train and jumping off before the train has come to a stop. One tour guide did this on the last trip I made, then waved his flag and blew his whistle to attract his group. I don't know the full circumstances of this terrible death other than that he was on the step of the moving train where he shouldn't have been but we were told of the previous two, one where a woman walked in front of an oncoming train while talking on her phone in spite of a barrier being down and the train sounding a whistle and the unfortunate lady who got a bag strap caught as she tried to get off the moving train. Other than having an attendant in every carriage making everyone stay in a seat there's not much that can be done and even then there would be a language barrier which some would take advantage of to do as they want. Certainly a horrible way to go and possibly worse for his family and friends who saw it happen. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy666 Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Interesting to see the guy on the platform merrily enjoying himself while a family man lies sliced in half nearby... Thainess? she looks like she is looking at the pictures she took before tarp was laid over him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudolfvaselino Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 This train stops and accelerates quickly before people (mainly tourists) have been able to find a seat. The safety of this part Kanchanaburi railroad and maintenance of wooden bridges is awful. The article mentions only the Christian names of the victim, not the family name. Again a total unnecessary horrible accident in a country where safety standards are not met. Railway of Thailand should be ashamed of themselves. And TAT keeps shouting their positive forecasts. One of the reasons this railway attracts so many tourists is because it does not meet modern safety standards. if the trains and bridges were exactly like the ones you have in your safety obsessed conscious western world maybe they would be too boring to visit. Yes the tourist should be better informed about the differences between Thailand and the perfectly "safe" west, but when a tourist chooses to visit Thailand he cannot expect the same standards to apply and must take some additional efforts to adapt. Nobody deserves to be killed this way on Xmas eve, but let us leave the Nanny State mentality at home when we come to a third world country. You only need a guy with a whistle. And he blows the whistle when everybody is safely on board. Ever checked that train? Counted the number of (fatal) incidents during 2014? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catweazle Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 "The incident was the third involving the Thonburi-Nam Tok train in a month." A haunted Train? RIP to the victim - condolences to family and friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangebrew Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 It is unfortunate that this man had to pass in such a manner. Rip. I had a friend in the States who seen his father hit by a speeding train. My friend was never the same after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 "The incident was the third involving the Thonburi-Nam Tok train in a month." A haunted Train? RIP to the victim - condolences to family and friends! They, unfortunately, do not call it "The Death Railway" for nothing. Thousands gave their lives building it and many have died riding it. But still it is a very popular tourist attraction nearly 60 years after the movie. http://www.scottmurray.com/bridge.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smotherb Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 RIP and condolences to the family What was he doing outside on the stairs when the train was moving? Why did the train leave when not all passengers were inside? You have ridden on the train, right? All sorts of shenanigans going on. Big heavy piece of equipment.....people don't take due care. Then there's the people that drive ride and walk out in front of them. The weight of the train ensure human bone is minded to powder. Human torsos are sliced like a knife through soft butter. Can you ease up on the graphic descriptions first thing in the morning please? I'm having my breakfast. ah, poor baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitawatWatawit Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 This train stops and accelerates quickly before people (mainly tourists) have been able to find a seat. The safety of this part Kanchanaburi railroad and maintenance of wooden bridges is awful. The article mentions only the Christian names of the victim, not the family name. Again a total unnecessary horrible accident in a country where safety standards are not met. Railway of Thailand should be ashamed of themselves. And TAT keeps shouting their positive forecasts.His Family name is Hieronymus, as the article states: Mr Hieronymus Cornelis Maria, the latter ones being his first names, but why is that important? i think the quote "The incident was the third involving the Thonburi-Nam Tok train in a month." says it all.Something must have been wrong with those stairs or the railing missing or something. Even after two incidents in the month before no actionwas taken of course. That's why I would never go in a roller coaster, ferris wheel, bungy jump or anything that needs proper engineering and maintenance in Thailand.... "His Family name is Hieronymus, as the article states" For the second time (#15) ... The family name is Bourmans. I have seen a copy of his passport. Just stating this for the record, thanks. RIP, Mr Bourmans, and deepest condolences to your family. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Terrible scene, good for the familly members or friends present to have an heart attack, what a nightmare vision ! Hope the poor man has no time to realise R I P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
how241 Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 So sorry to hear of this terrible tragedy. I extend my sympathies to the family and friends at this difficult time. +1...Sad story ...I hope something positive will come out from it, like better train safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havnern Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Maybe this gives "Death Railway" the meaning it deserves.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakman Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Deepest sympathies to his family who should be celebrating the season of cheer. Now they will have sorrow for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> This train stops and accelerates quickly before people (mainly tourists) have been able to find a seat. The safety of this part Kanchanaburi railroad and maintenance of wooden bridges is awful. The article mentions only the Christian names of the victim, not the family name. Again a total unnecessary horrible accident in a country where safety standards are not met. Railway of Thailand should be ashamed of themselves. And TAT keeps shouting their positive forecasts. i dont think your comment is fair ''yet'',yes standards here are poor,but in some cases the tourist is to blame...unless you know some facts we are not aware of..cheers Don't blame the tourists when this happens time and again. In a civilized country the rail road company would be held responsible and this "avoidable" accident would be prevented. Is there not even a semblance of decency here? Why not blame the tourist they do need to take some responsibility for their own safty like find a seat and sit down 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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