12 dead in attack on Paris newspaper; France goes on alert

[HeijoshinCool]

Warning graphic but it does appear they missed the final shot. I really hope the policeman was playing dead as there is no blood at all

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668

Officer was killed as he was shot in the head at point blank range. Animals.......

If they really want a holy war, I would strongly encourage western countries

to bring it on to them......

So where are the actual cartoons that set these lunatics off ?? If you do much

studying of the life and sayings of Muhammad you can see he would be a pretty

easy target to skewer...

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I don't draw a conclusion one way or the other.

Just because someone yells out, Allahu akbar, does not mean they are Muslim.

[manarak]

Now why don't Muslim religious leaders declare that the murderers aren't Muslims, cannot be considered Muslims anymore ?

Why don't they tell to all Muslims that their holy duty is to help catch the murderers and to forward any information to the police ?

Why don't they say to all Muslims that Islam is incompatible with helping, protecting or tolerating such criminals ?

I wish these were not rhetorical questions.

[Jingthing]

Was Charb right?

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-france-muslims-magazine-20130328-story.html

The threats from Islamic extremists "come from a very small minority that doesn't necessarily have the means to act," he says. "If one person is injured or killed, it doesn't mean all of France will be put on its knees.

"It's not Islam attacking France, it's one person attacking another person, that's all."

...

"So let's talk about Islam the way we talk about everything else," ...

Edited January 7, 2015 by Jingthing

[happydude303]

I was having a discussion with a Muslim last night , and one thing they said was in there lovely book it states they can kill if there lands are threaten...they were trying to defend there book and then saying these Muslims take these words to extreme, but come on I think to my self , in nearly every part of the world they are killing in the name of there religion in other peoples land , how can the moderate Muslim still keep quite or try to defend these people always making excuses , this is why people are sick of them because they sit quite and watch it all .... Angola have the right idea , they've banned Islam from there country and that's that

[manarak]

Warning graphic but it does appear they missed the final shot. I really hope the policeman was playing dead as there is no blood at all

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668

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The round missed, hitting the sidewalk. If, as some news reports claim, it indeed had been a headshot from that range, it would have been a quite obvious. And yes, head shots often bleed a lot after post-mortem.

The claims that these guys moved like commandos, is nonsense. Nothing of the sort.

French media confirmed the downed cop was executed on the sidewalk.

[manarak]

Warning graphic but it does appear they missed the final shot. I really hope the policeman was playing dead as there is no blood at all

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668

Officer was killed as he was shot in the head at point blank range. Animals.......

If they really want a holy war, I would strongly encourage western countries

to bring it on to them......

So where are the actual cartoons that set these lunatics off ?? If you do much

studying of the life and sayings of Muhammad you can see he would be a pretty

easy target to skewer...

.

I don't draw a conclusion one way or the other.

Just because someone yells out, Allahu akbar, does not mean they are Muslim.

You probably aren't too good at drawing conclusions.

[krisb]

The 3 gunman have been identified according to Aus news.

[Thai at Heart]

Warning graphic but it does appear they missed the final shot. I really hope the policeman was playing dead as there is no blood at all

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668

Officer was killed as he was shot in the head at point blank range. Animals.......

If they really want a holy war, I would strongly encourage western countries

to bring it on to them......

So where are the actual cartoons that set these lunatics off ?? If you do much

studying of the life and sayings of Muhammad you can see he would be a pretty

easy target to skewer...

.

I don't draw a conclusion one way or the other.

Just because someone yells out, Allahu akbar, does not mean they are Muslim.

Sorry, but, there are somethings which are defendable as being debateable or beyond reasonable deduction.

But honestly, if it doesn't infer that someone is muslim, what does it definitely not infer?

[NeverSure]

...on unarmed civilians... -snip-

That part is their fault. They let their government disarm them, and then their government let them get overrun by Islamists.

There will be no happy ending here. This will just get bigger and worse across W. Europe.

It's so sad. RIP to the victims and condolences to the families and friends.

A very simplistic view......it will get bigger and worse......it will not as these are incidents not commonplace...the only thing lacking till now in Western European countries with huge numbers of Muslims from VARIOUS countries, is that the overwhelming majority has stayed silent till now. Lately though there has been some push for their respective leaders, if one can call them like that, to speak out against radicalism and muslim extremism. Think about ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

Incidents like this will more show the need for the common muslim to speak out against these type of attacks. Our societies will EXPECT that from the overwhelming silent majority of upstanding muslim citizens who lead a normal life and have human desires like any of us.

Unfortunately many of the ignorant masses will seek refuge at right wing extremist political parties, who must have a field day today.

RIP to all victims and condoleances to their related friends, collegues and families.

555. You think "the common Muslim" speaking out against these guys will stop them. How quaint. They are hit and run killers (or suicide killers) with their own agenda who won't listen to anyone who disagrees with them. In fact they'd rather kill anyone who disagrees with them including other Muslims. That's proven and they do kill other Muslims regularly.

They are animals. They could only be stopped by strength. The French are powerless. End of.

[wooloomooloo]

These people who did this are brainless animals.

Well-trained brainless animals, unfortunately. Today's assassins undoubtedly trained abroad and are French passport holders.

Let's maintain the lampoonery of their chosen idol as they'll take umbrage elsewhere, in any case.

The path forward isn't going to be pretty. Either governments get severe or the far right will gain a credible foothold on power in Western Europe and we've a rough idea of where that leads.

Edited January 7, 2015 by wooloomooloo

[benalibina]

...on unarmed civilians... -snip-

That part is their fault. They let their government disarm them, and then their government let them get overrun by Islamists.

There will be no happy ending here. This will just get bigger and worse across W. Europe.

It's so sad. RIP to the victims and condolences to the families and friends.

A very simplistic view......it will get bigger and worse......it will not as these are incidents not commonplace...the only thing lacking till now in Western European countries with huge numbers of Muslims from VARIOUS countries, is that the overwhelming majority has stayed silent till now. Lately though there has been some push for their respective leaders, if one can call them like that, to speak out against radicalism and muslim extremism. Think about ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

Incidents like this will more show the need for the common muslim to speak out against these type of attacks. Our societies will EXPECT that from the overwhelming silent majority of upstanding muslim citizens who lead a normal life and have human desires like any of us.

Unfortunately many of the ignorant masses will seek refuge at right wing extremist political parties, who must have a field day today.

RIP to all victims and condoleances to their related friends, collegues and families.

555. You think "the common Muslim" speaking out against these guys will stop them. How quaint. They are hit and run killers (or suicide killers) with their own agenda who won't listen to anyone who disagrees with them. In fact they'd rather kill anyone who disagrees with them including other Muslims. That's proven and they do kill other Muslims regularly.

They are animals. They could only be stopped by strength. The French are powerless. End of.

Hmm....i agree that they are animals....for the rest your comment shows ....how to write it politely....lack of any knowledge in the dynamcis of this complex problem. I leave it that.

[wooloomooloo]

Hmm....i agree that they are animals....for the rest your comment shows ....how to write it politely....lack of any knowledge in the dynamcis of this complex problem. I leave it that.

I think you've offended someone, NeverSure. Tsk.

[manarak]

The 3 gunman have been identified according to Aus news.

They were identified 45 minutes after the shooting.

I have a copy of the police search orders, ref. PJ 15 119, PJ 15 120 and PJ 15 121.

I don't know why the media didn't publish the information - I guess they followed official instructions to withhold the info, maybe to have to time to move the families away. So I will abstain too until the information transpires in social media.

Edited January 7, 2015 by manarak

[benalibina]

Hmm....i agree that they are animals....for the rest your comment shows ....how to write it politely....lack of any knowledge in the dynamcis of this complex problem. I leave it that.

I think you've offended someone, NeverSure. Tsk.

Offended ?? Well...not me.

[NeverSure]

Hmm....i agree that they are animals....for the rest your comment shows ....how to write it politely....lack of any knowledge in the dynamcis of this complex problem. I leave it that.

I think you've offended someone, NeverSure. Tsk.

Offended ?? Well...not me.

I'm not offended either. I'll just say that I feel bad that the French didn't have the means to defend themselves. I'll leave it at that.

[wooloomooloo]

how to write it politely....lack of any knowledge in the dynamcis of this complex problem. I leave it that.

Okay, please impart your superior knowledge of the dynamics of this complex problem, benalibina.

Edited January 7, 2015 by wooloomooloo

[manarak]

Hmm....i agree that they are animals....for the rest your comment shows ....how to write it politely....lack of any knowledge in the dynamcis of this complex problem. I leave it that.

I think you've offended someone, NeverSure. Tsk.

Offended ?? Well...not me.

I'm not offended either. I'll just say that I feel bad that the French didn't have the means to defend themselves. I'll leave it at that.

Your theory is ridiculous.

Firstly, there was at least one police officer on guard in a car outside as well as one inside, who was protecting Charbonnier.

Secondly, the people at Charlie Hebdo were mostly pacifists who would never accept wearing or using a weapon.

I am rather surprised about the loose security in that building, since Charlie Hebdo had already been the target of some attacks.

Edited January 7, 2015 by manarak

[wooloomooloo]

They were identified 45 minutes after the shooting.

I have a copy of the police search orders, ref. PJ 15 119, PJ 15 120 and PJ 15 121.

I don't know why the media didn't publish the information - I guess they followed official instructions to withhold the info, maybe to have to time to move the families away. So I will abstain too until the information transpires in social media.

Too late now. You've let the cat of the bag and should let us know what you know.

What is 'PJ'? Pyjamas or PJ & Duncan. Not Ant & Dec, surely.

[manarak]

They were identified 45 minutes after the shooting.

I have a copy of the police search orders, ref. PJ 15 119, PJ 15 120 and PJ 15 121.

I don't know why the media didn't publish the information - I guess they followed official instructions to withhold the info, maybe to have to time to move the families away. So I will abstain too until the information transpires in social media.

Too late now. You've let the cat of the bag and should let us know what you know.

What is 'PJ'? Pyjamas or PJ & Duncan. Not Ant & Dec, surely.

Police Judiciaire.

Ok, I see the info has already been largely disseminated, read this:

http://heavy.com/news/2015/01/said-kouachi-cherif-kouachi-hamid-hamyd-mourad-terror-suspects-charlie-hebdo-terrorist-attack/

Edited January 7, 2015 by manarak

[Thai at Heart]

These people who did this are brainless animals.

Well-trained brainless animals, unfortunately. Today's assassins undoubtedly trained abroad and are French passport holders.

Let's maintain the lampoonery of their chosen idol as they'll take umbrage elsewhere, in any case.

The path forward isn't going to be pretty. Either governments get severe or the far right will gain a credible foothold on power in Western Europe and we've a rough idea of where that leads.

Not sure they are French passport holders.

It is interesting to read the idea that this issue cannot be solved with a liberal criminal justice system. Because as others pointed out here, while the community leaders may condemn they don't tell the community to turn on the perpetrators.

I listened to some community leader here saying that they object to all religious satire and want journalists to consider whether they are offensive.

All very subtle and utter bu<deleted>. You cannot shoot someone for offending anyone. Its wrong morally legally, and any other way to measure it.

And genuinely the only answer is, if you don't like it, <deleted> off. I will not force my media to hold their tongue to keep you happy.

[benalibina]

how to write it politely....lack of any knowledge in the dynamcis of this complex problem. I leave it that.

Okay, please impart your superior knowledge of the dynamics of this complex problem, benalibina.

Superior ? I am just a simple mind nothing more. 1st of all the claim that France cannot defend itself against these type of attacks is, like another poster stated too, ridiculous. If i had a plan now to kill whoever important in UK and shout ...Allah Akhbar....would you agree then that the UK could not defend itself against a terrorist attack ? These type of attacks are just not defendable. Simple as that.

Most likely the attackers reside legally in France and lead "normal" lives. Work, have friends and visit a mosque regularly. If amongst the overwhelming majority of normal muslim citizens nobody, who they look up to, speaks out against ISIS, Al Qeaida on a frequent basis, those sick animals think that they might even do the muslims a favour. This is in Holland an issue in the press. An important factor could be the immams who speak to the followers in the mosque. Work, money, integration, or lack thereof, plays a role too why many young kids loose it by going to Syria or Iraq to fight for ISIS....its complex...

[NeverSure]

I'm not offended either. I'll just say that I feel bad that the French didn't have the means to defend themselves. I'll leave it at that.

Your theory is ridiculous.

Firstly, there was at least one police officer on guard in a car outside as well as one inside, who was protecting Charbonnier.

Secondly, the people at Charlie Hebdo were mostly pacifists who would never accept wearing or using a weapon.

I am rather surprised about the loose security in that building, since Charlie Hebdo had already been the target of some attacks.

According to the story linked just above there were 22 killed or injured. No way of knowing if others were around yet. The police could have been taken by surprise. In any event they were outnumbered.

22 people is quite the crowd to take on by just 3. I say their "pacifist" and probably PC beliefs didn't do them much good.

Oh wait. They'd rather die than defend themselves?? ??

It's a horrible, terrible tragedy and I grieve for them and their families.

[wooloomooloo]

For tonight I'll close with what I appreciate as unstinting bravery displayed by two Parisien policemen. Two policemen who got up for work this morning, like the rest of us, and should have ordinarily expected another uneventful day at the office.

Very sad.

[manarak]

how to write it politely....lack of any knowledge in the dynamcis of this complex problem. I leave it that.

Okay, please impart your superior knowledge of the dynamics of this complex problem, benalibina.

Superior ? I am just a simple mind nothing more. 1st of all the claim that France cannot defend itself against these type of attacks is, like another poster stated too, ridiculous. If i had a plan now to kill whoever important in UK and shout ...Allah Akhbar....would you agree then that the UK could not defend itself against a terrorist attack ? These type of attacks are just not defendable. Simple as that.

Most likely the attackers reside legally in France and lead "normal" lives. Work, have friends and visit a mosque regularly. If amongst the overwhelming majority of normal muslim citizens nobody, who they look up to, speaks out against ISIS, Al Qeaida on a frequent basis, those sick animals think that they might even do the muslims a favour. This is in Holland an issue in the press. An important factor could be the immams who speak to the followers in the mosque. Work, money, integration, or lack thereof, plays a role too why many young kids loose it by going to Syria or Iraq to fight for ISIS....its complex...

I hold the opinion that the French media bear much responsibility for the poisoned mentality in France, because not only did they preach excessive tolerance towards any minority, but they also encouraged hostility against wealth and money and also against law & order, while governments handed out passports and benefits.

[Richard W]

I am rather surprised about the loose security in that building, since Charlie Hebdo had already been the target of some attacks.

I gather a woman preferred to unlock the door for the attackers and live rather than refuse and die. I don't know how she fared. Some places have alternative, panic combinations for such situations, but I don't know how safe they are to use, and one might easily forget such a combination in such a situation.

[HeijoshinCool]

Warning graphic but it does appear they missed the final shot. I really hope the policeman was playing dead as there is no blood at all

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668

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The round missed, hitting the sidewalk. If, as some news reports claim, it indeed had been a headshot from that range, it would have been a quite obvious. And yes, head shots often bleed a lot after post-mortem.

The claims that these guys moved like commandos, is nonsense. Nothing of the sort.

French media confirmed the downed cop was executed on the sidewalk.

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And all of us should unquestioningly believe whatever the media, and the government, tell us to believe.

What amazes me is many on this website, criticize Thais for their "lack of critical thinking ability."

[manarak]

I am rather surprised about the loose security in that building, since Charlie Hebdo had already been the target of some attacks.

I gather a woman preferred to unlock the door for the attackers and live rather than refuse and die. I don't know how she fared. Some places have alternative, panic combinations for such situations, but I don't know how safe they are to use, and one might easily forget such a combination in such a situation.

Yes, but as I understood that was the entrance door to the street ?

When I say "security" I rather think along the lines of a watchman inside a bulletproof cubicle and with the ability to lock the doors and alert the police by pressing a button.

[Patsycat]

Why? Because they are little scum, i hope their mothers are proud.

Edited January 7, 2015 by Patsycat

[Lissos]

Let me get this straight.........

Two men murder twelve European civilians to avenge "honour" of a tribal leader who died in the Arabian Peninsula 1382 years ago?

Wow, that is one insecure and childish cry baby cult.

[manarak]

Warning graphic but it does appear they missed the final shot. I really hope the policeman was playing dead as there is no blood at all

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668

.

The round missed, hitting the sidewalk. If, as some news reports claim, it indeed had been a headshot from that range, it would have been a quite obvious. And yes, head shots often bleed a lot after post-mortem.

The claims that these guys moved like commandos, is nonsense. Nothing of the sort.

French media confirmed the downed cop was executed on the sidewalk.

.

And all of us should unquestioningly believe whatever the media, and the government, tell us to believe.

What amazes me is many on this website, criticize Thais for their "lack of critical thinking ability."

You must really enjoy reading Plato... Time to come out of the cavern?