Ms Yingluck says she feels relieved after having clarified the NACC’s charges

[Thailand]

Lovely lady standing up for herself in a ridiculous case that would not have made the courts in most other countries.

It is simply to try to ensure she gets banned from politics for 5 years in the belief that it will stifle opposition to the government that the current incumbents want to follow their ongoing charade.

If they seriously think there are no other potential leaders of an opposition out there then they will be in for a shock.

Pointless exercise that will only conitinue to motivate the opposition bandwagon for when the time comes.

[craigt3365]

An inappropriate post along with a very good associated reply have been removed from view. Please abide by forum rules and show respect to other members.

[Halion]

Yinluck, an indelible stain on the capability and competence of Thai government.

[rubl]

Lovely lady standing up for herself in a ridiculous case that would not have made the courts in most other countries.

It is simply to try to ensure she gets banned from politics for 5 years in the belief that it will stifle opposition to the government that the current incumbents want to follow their ongoing charade.

If they seriously think there are no other potential leaders of an opposition out there then they will be in for a shock.

Pointless exercise that will only conitinue to motivate the opposition bandwagon for when the time comes.

For your information 'it didn't make the courts yet'.

[rubl]

So, a good scheme. Only a pity that it was sold to the Thai people as 'self-financing' and did so to a total of 700,000,000,000 Baht in DEBT.

Next we'll discuss why common people who sell a 'self-financing' scheme end up paying their debt in money or jail time, by court order if necessary.

[tomacht8]

Once again she shown dignity and grace and she has really rattled you yellow junta dem supporters and mainly because not only because she a Shinawatra but a woman.

Really have a look at jamie he claimed she is a convicted criminal I have asked him time after time to list her convictions past and present yet he can't and yet now seeks the attention of the mods to try and get posts removed that he doesn't agree with.

Well the underlying truth is that the people elected the PTP and Yingluck and her party and no matter which way you slice they are the government elected by the people and people supporting this sham should be ashamed.

We have a winner for the Biggest Load Of Shit Post Award !! Your Crap will be sent in the mail, enjoy it. Lol

He forgot to mention that the earth is flat and is located in the center of the solar system.

[louse1953]

Lovely lady standing up for herself in a ridiculous case that would not have made the courts in most other countries.

It is simply to try to ensure she gets banned from politics for 5 years in the belief that it will stifle opposition to the government that the current incumbents want to follow their ongoing charade.

If they seriously think there are no other potential leaders of an opposition out there then they will be in for a shock.

Pointless exercise that will only conitinue to motivate the opposition bandwagon for when the time comes.

Only if there name starts with S.Hopefully the time is 10 years away.

[Baerboxer]

Very polished & comprehensive. Over 1 hour.

Shame that the happy general's bosses have already made their minds up.

Really - reading out a prepared statement aimed at clouding the issues, and linking the outcome to possible negative effects on reconciliation. Usual Shin tactics, deviate from the real questions and make veiled threats.

I think we'd all be surprised at just how many Thais would love to see her actually punished. For once, see a lying self serving elite get some karma.

But of course, she'll be let off with a stern telling off which the Shin PR teams around the world will spin into a massive victory and once again claim she was a marvelous PM.

[Baerboxer]

Lovely lady standing up for herself in a ridiculous case that would not have made the courts in most other countries.

It is simply to try to ensure she gets banned from politics for 5 years in the belief that it will stifle opposition to the government that the current incumbents want to follow their ongoing charade.

If they seriously think there are no other potential leaders of an opposition out there then they will be in for a shock.

Pointless exercise that will only conitinue to motivate the opposition bandwagon for when the time comes.

Lovely lady - you like ladies who lie, cheat, put their family above all else, watch people suffering and lie some more to them?

Strange tastes - but each to their own.

[Baerboxer]

It would seem the "But Suthep" defense is all her supporters on here have.

You should get the message to her and she can use it herself when question time comes.

Do you think she will attend for questioning? Actually expose herself to having to think and provide unscripted answers?

They will be working on the excuses of why she can't attend. The last thing they want is for her to have to answer something herself.

How much of the briefing she received in China from big brother she can remember will be the key.

Edited January 10, 2015 by Baerboxer

[Stradavarius37]

Karma YL Karma

[Denim]

If they really want to keep her out of politics they would do better to impeach her for being better looking than Abhisit in order to gain unfair advantage at the polls. No defense against that charge.

Besides, if courts in the south of Thailand can throw a case against the military out on the grounds that it happened under the previous constitution which has now be annulled , surely the same could be said in Yingluks case .

[billd766]

So when are they going to impeach Suthep for his Palm Oil deals and for the government land which he gave to his "Hi-so" mates on Phuket and his enroachment on to government land on Koh Samui , just to make his family property bigger. Come on, this was blatent corruption, but they are trying to crucify Yingluck instead maybe for mistakes. And how about the murder of innocent protesters sheltering in a temple when the army opened fire against them with live ammunition, all under Sutheps orders, and the nurse who was killed by the army live fire, doing what she was trained to do, namely tender to the injured.

This is nothing but a Democrat witchhunt which will cause so much turmoil in Thailand as the people of the north will just not stand for it.

Do you have ANY proof of what you have said at all? If so please present it to the government, the press and especially Robert Amsterdam, all of whom will be interested to know what it is.

Of course if you DON'T have any proof of anything then you are merely fostering rumours and trying to create a witch hunt of your own.

So a simple yes or no question.

Do you have ANY proof of what you have stated on a public forum?

[djjamie]

I dont blame your extended family. My eyes usually glaze over when having to listen to you.

I love this reply. These type of replies are my absolute favorites.

They embrace everything the PTP and UDD stand for. When faced with facts and an inability to article a constructive, intelligent, articulate rebuttal they always fall back on condescension, belittling and intimidation.

I could articulate a 2000 word statement encompassing why I do not support the PTP or UDD, but your statement in 17 words has pretty much saved me the time in writing it.

You encapsulate the PTP and UDD to a tee.

Thank you so much.

[djjamie]

Once again she shown dignity and grace and she has really rattled you yellow junta dem supporters and mainly because not only because she a Shinawatra but a woman.

Really have a look at jamie he claimed she is a convicted criminal I have asked him time after time to list her convictions past and present yet he can't and yet now seeks the attention of the mods to try and get posts removed that he doesn't agree with.

Well the underlying truth is that the people elected the PTP and Yingluck and her party and no matter which way you slice they are the government elected by the people and people supporting this sham should be ashamed.

We have a winner for the Biggest Load Of Shit Post Award !! Your Crap will be sent in the mail, enjoy it. Lol

+1

I have no idea what he is talking about..

I did not call yingluck a convicted criminal. I would love to see one example of where I called yingluck a convicted criminal. Not time and time again. Just one. Only one example of me calling yingluck a convicted criminal is all I need. It will then show that I am a liar and stuttering parrot speaks the truth. But if I see no example then……...

As for the mods thing. How would he even know.

I wish him well though as I do to all good TVF members.

[brucec64]

I dont blame your extended family. My eyes usually glaze over when having to listen to you.

I love this reply. These type of replies are my absolute favorites.

They embrace everything the PTP and UDD stand for. When faced with facts and an inability to article a constructive, intelligent, articulate rebuttal they always fall back on condescension, belittling and intimidation.

I could articulate a 2000 word statement encompassing why I do not support the PTP or UDD, but your statement in 17 words has pretty much saved me the time in writing it.

You encapsulate the PTP and UDD to a tee.

Thank you so much.

One explanation is that we are not articulate enough to construct a rebuttal.

The other is that your repetitive and regurgitated histrionics have become quite boring, a fact which seems to be attested to by your extended family.

[djjamie]

​Look up yingluck….15 farmer suicides under her watch because she could not pay them (10 suicides where even before the PDRC even started protesting).

Hundreds of farmers protesting because they were not paid (before the PDRC even started protesting) yet they were intimidated by the very people they voted for.

I tried to find the 2013 figures of suicide and could not find them, any source?

Anyway, she got some very efficient help on this matter, i.e.

:

Protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban last night warned both commercial and state banks against any rice loans to the caretaker government with threat of facing shutdown by protesters.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pdrc-leader-warns-banks-rice-loans-government

Anti-government demonstrators Wednesday stalled the electronic rice auction by cutting power supply at the Commerce Ministry forcing the auction to be put off to March 26.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/protesters-stall-rice-auction

Did you even read what I wrote? You do realize that Suthep was the leader of the PDRC right? I did say "15 farmer suicides under her watch because she could not pay them (10 suicides where even before the PDRC even started protesting)." So to put it another way, farmers were committing suicide before Suthep was even in the picture.

This is the typical blame anyone but the PTP tactic.

13th of September 2013 - The cabinet approved a total budget of 270 billion baht for the government’s rice pledging scheme, Deputy Commerce Minister Yanyong Puangraj. They said they had the money. They lied. Do we blame Suthep for this?

16th of September - THE FINANCE MINISTRY’s sub-committee assessing the cost of the rice pledging scheme fears the scheme will break budget. The PTP were warned. Sutheps fault for not warning the PTP again?

September 18^th 2013 “They try to please voters to keep their popularity,” said Somjai Phagaphasvivat, a political science lecturer at Thammasat University in Bangkok. “But they create fiscal problems which may explode sooner rather than later if the global economy faces a serious downturn.”http://www.bloomberg...heast-asia.html. Turns out this guy was right. He was saying this while the PTP supporters (even on this forum) were denouncing, intimidating and belittling anyone that had the same views as this guy. They went further and stated the scheme was funded and the PTP would not run out of money. Yep, the red guys on this very forum said that.

September 25, 2013 Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has said the government was not considering further loans because it would have enough money from selling rice from its stocks to fund the scheme."http://www.newsdaily...ce-scheme-going Turns out she lied. Was this Sutheps fault?

8th of October - The World Bank said that the rice pledging scheme had proven to be the most costly and would ring up a bill of 115 billion to 150 billion baht per harvest. The reply - Deputy Prime Minister and Commerce Minister Niwatthamrong Bunsongphaisan today categorically dismissed the World Bank’s estimate that the Thai government will incur up to 400 billion baht in losses from the rice pledging scheme for two harvests. He went on to say the Finance Ministry should help secure more funding to meet the 270 billion baht target already approved by the cabinet to be used for the 2013-14 harvests. They said they had the money. They lied. Sutheps fault?

Nov 23^rd - The Commerce Ministry stood firm that it had enough budget to subsidize the rice pledging plan which needs a circulating fund of Bt500 billion. http://www.mcot.net/...50ba0576b00032b. I kept hearing this same narrative that they had the money to fund the scheme. Was this Sutheps fault that they didn't?

12th November 2013 - IMF called on Thailand to ditch rice support scheme. The PTP said no. The PTP were warned. Should Suthep have warned them again?

9th of Decmeber 2013 - House dissolved.

But noooo, this is all Sutheps fault heay mate!!!

Going by your logic of blame, a murder victim is to blame for his own demise because he was in the way when the knife was plunged into his back.

When the PTP said they had the money it is defended and the comments are "See….The rice scheme is finically sound and the PTP are doing a wonderful job" and of course when the inevitable implosion is witnessed and it turned out the PTP lied the narrative is "It is Sutheps fault"

Love it. Absolutely love it.

[candide]

I never said the previous government had no responsibitility in the farmers' suicides.

I just want to outline the hypocrisy of the opposite political faction which, while denouncing the government for not paying farmers, were doing their best to prevent the government to do so.

[45slap]

Don't you clarify butter?

[lostmebike]

I could help relieve you Yingluck.

[Baerboxer]

Somebody please give this lady a big hug and tell her how brave she was to stand up to this relentless onslaught against her character.

That's the least she deserves.

Perhaps the families of the farmers driven to suicide and those murdered whilst protesting at her brother's government could all rally round and give her a team hug?

She deserves to be imprisoned for failing to carry out the duties she swore to do, and being complacent in furthering the aims of her criminal fugitive brother.

Crocodile tears, waffle and more lies are all she offers.

[halloween]

I never said the previous government had no responsibitility in the farmers' suicides.

I just want to outline the hypocrisy of the opposite political faction which, while denouncing the government for not paying farmers, were doing their best to prevent the government to do so.

Now all you have to realise is that :

1/ they were no longer the government

2/ because they were no longer the government they had no right to borrow and indebt the country

3/ borrowing to clear debts, that they had incurred ex-budget, would be clearly to PTP's political advantage at the nation's expense.

[djjamie]

Once again she shown dignity and grace and she has really rattled you yellow junta dem supporters and mainly because not only because she a Shinawatra but a woman.

Really have a look at jamie he claimed she is a convicted criminal I have asked him time after time to list her convictions past and present yet he can't and yet now seeks the attention of the mods to try and get posts removed that he doesn't agree with.

Well the underlying truth is that the people elected the PTP and Yingluck and her party and no matter which way you slice they are the government elected by the people and people supporting this sham should be ashamed.

Really have a look at jamie he claimed she is a convicted criminal I have asked him time after time to list her convictions past and present yet he can't

I am still waiting for you to show me where I said this?

[JAG]

22/04/14 - The day of the coup - PWO reaffirms there is no rice missing from public warehouses

On Twitter - Yingluck insists she performed to the best of her ability as Prime Minister and acted within the constitution, in her defence at impeachment

The lets have a look at history. Lets have a look at facts if you will….Not beliefs, but facts. Not "all the Thai people I know" facts, but actual facts.

To put it in context - An associate of Chalerm's son was appointed the director of the PWO in 2011. Sarawut Sakulmeerit, who was also a defendant in the case when Duang (Chalerm's son) was charged with murdering a detective at a nightclub in Bangkok. Sarawut was charged with obstruction of justice but was acquitted along with Chalerm's son.

So we had the PWO under the authority of the commerce ministry with the deputy commerce minister being an accused terrorist hell bent on ensuring the PTP clung onto power. Nattawutt, who met thaksin in Hong Kong in 2012 that said he was not going to talk about politics when they met. Nattawutt (and jatuporn) who were "sick" when it was going to be decided to revoke his bail, but miraculously recovered after the hearing decided not to revoke bail. Then as the director we have Sarawut that mislead the law to try to ensure Chalerm's son was not charged with murder.

What a thaksin dream team!

And they expected the voters to believe the PWO when they say their are no irregularities. None.. None what so ever. Absolutely no irregularities. WOW. ANd to think some still believe through the "All the people I know" defense" that yingluck is still popular!!!

May as well have thaksin himself inspecting the warehouses. They had the police inspect the warehouses. The police was run by Adul. A very close friend of thaksins that had his insignia pinned on by thaksin himself.

So what did the public expect next? thaksins son doing an inspection and parroting the same thing thaksins police and chalerms PWO said? They really did hold the voters in contempt. Ironically the poorest farmers were not even eligible for this scheme.

To top it off there were more fact finding missions appointed by……..Guess who? YEP! The accused terrorists department and Chalerm's sons mate.

Now the same supporters that believed this, that support this and that defend this blatant one sided "fact finding mission" without any evidence or facts presented to back up their case by denouncing the courts that make statements and decisions based on facts and evidence that were made public pre coup also say that the Junta is not allowing a transparent investigation on the rice scheme.

How ironic.

I hope she is is held accountable…Facts and accountability are the PTP's worst enemy.

Beliefs and "hear say" are there greatest friend.

I may be being particularly dense this afternoon, but where are the relevant "facts" in your post? "Facts" rather than belief, opinions and supposition?

Edited January 18, 2015 by JAG

[Thai at Heart]

"she felt relieved after having clarified to the National Legislative Assembly all the charges"

Being a non-native English speaker it may be me, but somehow I didn't think Ms. Yingluck was asked to clarify the charges the NACC has against her. She's supposed to defend herself, cast doubts on the charges, ask the NACC to clarify and so

You are quite correct! Seems the Thai pbs is spinning this new release for the junta. I don't really understand why TV chose to use this as it seems to be so far from what she actually said? Other news releases quote her quite differently such as "Yingluck denies all charges" and "I have no position left to be impeached from".

She also stated: "I denied all charges by both the NACC and the Democrat party and I insist I ran the program correctly and transparently. "The program was well received by people. It's a social contract that my government was bound to implement. My party understands farmers...how they are perennially plagued with debts, meager incomes and low rice prices. The rice-pledging scheme would change that. It would allow farmers to stand on their feet. And pledging is the best way to do it, not the guarantee method of the TDRI [Thailand Development Research Institute]. "A government must take care of its low-income people. Besides, rice pledging is not new. It's been used for 33 years." Farmers never had real bargaining power. Guaranteeing the grain the method championed by the TDRI and the opposition Democrat party doesn't help and is more corruption-prone since rice was not accounted for. The quantities could easily be manipulated and market prices will not increase.

"Subsidizing farmers is nothing new. Every country helps its bread winner. It's a burden of a government. Japan's subsidies are $3.3 billion a year for its farmers, Thailand $2 billion. Every country helps its farmers. It's not the matter of running a balance sheet. "Figures of lost grain of the subcommittee closing the program's accounts are not correct. Both the Marketing Organization for Farmers and the Public Warehouse Organization insisted the grain was still there. There are discrepancies in inventory numbers. If they are reconciled the way I suggested, the losses could be 250 billion baht from 330 billion. I did tell them this but the NACC chose to listen to the subcommittee.

"Rice pledging creates the multiplier effect and therefore more production, investment and gross domestic product. The government can then collect more taxes. The program did not affect fiscal discipline either. The Bank for Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperative borrowed at 20% of the expenditure budget, guaranteed by the Finance Ministry. The cabinet also resolved to manage the program's liquidity by gradually selling the stockpile so the program could finally run on its own. Selling 19 million tonnes of the stock is not necessary. There's no need to issue bonds. "Selling 70 billion baht worth of the stock... borrowing the balance from the contingency budget to get a total of 90 billion baht to repay farmers. Eventually, this government did what I had laid the groundwork for.

Anyone going to take on what she actually said? Seems to me they have quite a lot to PROVE if this is her standpoint.

[Thai at Heart]

22/04/14 - The day of the coup - PWO reaffirms there is no rice missing from public warehouses

On Twitter - Yingluck insists she performed to the best of her ability as Prime Minister and acted within the constitution, in her defence at impeachment

The lets have a look at history. Lets have a look at facts if you will.Not beliefs, but facts. Not "all the Thai people I know" facts, but actual facts.

To put it in context - An associate of Chalerm's son was appointed the director of the PWO in 2011. Sarawut Sakulmeerit, who was also a defendant in the case when Duang (Chalerm's son) was charged with murdering a detective at a nightclub in Bangkok. Sarawut was charged with obstruction of justice but was acquitted along with Chalerm's son.

So we had the PWO under the authority of the commerce ministry with the deputy commerce minister being an accused terrorist hell bent on ensuring the PTP clung onto power. Nattawutt, who met thaksin in Hong Kong in 2012 that said he was not going to talk about politics when they met. Nattawutt (and jatuporn) who were "sick" when it was going to be decided to revoke his bail, but miraculously recovered after the hearing decided not to revoke bail. Then as the director we have Sarawut that mislead the law to try to ensure Chalerm's son was not charged with murder.

What a thaksin dream team!

And they expected the voters to believe the PWO when they say their are no irregularities. None.. None what so ever. Absolutely no irregularities. WOW. ANd to think some still believe through the "All the people I know" defense" that yingluck is still popular!!!

May as well have thaksin himself inspecting the warehouses. They had the police inspect the warehouses. The police was run by Adul. A very close friend of thaksins that had his insignia pinned on by thaksin himself.

So what did the public expect next? thaksins son doing an inspection and parroting the same thing thaksins police and chalerms PWO said? They really did hold the voters in contempt. Ironically the poorest farmers were not even eligible for this scheme.

To top it off there were more fact finding missions appointed by..Guess who? YEP! The accused terrorists department and Chalerm's sons mate.

Now the same supporters that believed this, that support this and that defend this blatant one sided "fact finding mission" without any evidence or facts presented to back up their case by denouncing the courts that make statements and decisions based on facts and evidence that were made public pre coup also say that the Junta is not allowing a transparent investigation on the rice scheme.

How ironic.

I hope she is is held accountableFacts and accountability are the PTP's worst enemy.

Beliefs and "hear say" are there greatest friend.

I may be being particularly dense this afternoon, but where are the relevant "facts" in your post? "Facts" rather than belief, opinions and supposition?

Last I heard there was no major discrepancy on the volume in the warehouse.

[Number1SuperGuy]

Somebody please give this lady a big hug and tell her how brave she was to stand up to this relentless onslaught against her character.

That's the least she deserves.

Perhaps the families of the farmers driven to suicide and those murdered whilst protesting at her brother's government could all rally round and give her a team hug?

She deserves to be imprisoned for failing to carry out the duties she swore to do, and being complacent in furthering the aims of her criminal fugitive brother.

Crocodile tears, waffle and more lies are all she offers.

Thailands suicide rate declined quite significantly during the years that Thaksin was in power. His policies were very successful in raising the living standards of millions and millions of Thais and the dramatic drop in suicide statistics is just one of many of the astounding achievements that an elected government working for the people as opposed to an unelected outdated elite governing for themselves can do.

[candide]

Somebody please give this lady a big hug and tell her how brave she was to stand up to this relentless onslaught against her character.

That's the least she deserves.

Perhaps the families of the farmers driven to suicide and those murdered whilst protesting at her brother's government could all rally round and give her a team hug?

She deserves to be imprisoned for failing to carry out the duties she swore to do, and being complacent in furthering the aims of her criminal fugitive brother.

Crocodile tears, waffle and more lies are all she offers.

Thailands suicide rate declined quite significantly during the years that Thaksin was in power. His policies were very successful in raising the living standards of millions and millions of Thais and the dramatic drop in suicide statistics is just one of many of the astounding achievements that an elected government working for the people as opposed to an unelected outdated elite governing for themselves can do.

Talking about Crocodile's tears:

Protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban last night warned both commercial and state banks against any rice loans to the caretaker government with threat of facing shutdown by protesters.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pdrc-leader-warns-banks-rice-loans-government

Anti-government demonstrators Wednesday stalled the electronic rice auction by cutting power supply at the Commerce Ministry forcing the auction to be put off to March 26.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/protesters-stall-rice-auction

[rubl]

I'm sure Ms. Yingluck will be hugely relieved when all is over. Not being able to stand for office for five years might just be what she herself would prefer. Makes it easier to stand up to big brother.

[icare999]

Thailand's first female PM and what a showing!!! there is NO 'impeachment' as she is not in office, imagine 'impeaching' bush now he's out of office? it's ABSURD

as for the rice thing? it was a failure but to suggest she was responsible as a publicly elected officer? AMAZING THAILAND

I say STOP the bulling and vindictiveness and start being MORE Buddhist

She is an honest person methinks, not a great PM, but she has shown dignity under severe pressure that would have buckled most of us so please (fat chance) give her some CREDIT and stop the BULLYING and, by the way, most Thais I know admire and love her

she's an honest person best laugh I've had for ages

some people would believe any BS You'll be claiming pigs fly next

Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad