klauskunkel Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The world would be a better place without religion. Nope, I think the crazies and the power hungry will just use and pervert any other ideology or philosophy to suit their goals. The world would be a better place if people would start to use their brain to think for themselves, but that's a long shot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhnomKhnom Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 having some friends from Israel,they told me that Ultra-Orthodox dudes spit at female soldiers and women in general...as the one who spat at a 7 years old girl...because he found her provocative In such cases as these man, their Mothers should have "recall rights" just like defective vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 No I don't. Because Judaism and Islam are very different religions. Islamic ideology is very interested in conversion of the entire world (like Christianity). Judaism does not actively seek converts at all, and is traditionally based on the religion being passed by birth. The toxic form of Christianity has been a horrible plague on the world as in the past, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc, but has moved on. Islam has MOVED BACKWARDS. But do not Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Muslims pray to the same god? Judge them regarding their behavior, not regarding their god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Just as crazy as their Arab cousins!! They are crazy, as in extremely conservatively ultra religious, I agree. They represent a minority of Jews. They aren't about to mass murder Arabs just for being Arabs shopping for humous in Paris. They aren't about to mass murder magazine publishers for printing offensive to Jews cartoons in Paris either (which BTW Charlie Hebdo has indeed done) The global threat to modern civilization is ISLAMIC JIHAD ... not a small number of over the top black hat Jews. The latter about are about threatening to the world as Amish people in Pennsylvania using horses and buggies instead of cars. More like QUAINT. really, so how will you explain away the mass murders committed by Baruch Goldstein, his actions were fully supported by conservative ultra religious Jews http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein Different bunch of crazies. Not much love lost between them, either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Just as crazy as their Arab cousins!! They are crazy, as in extremely conservatively ultra religious, I agree. They represent a minority of Jews. They aren't about to mass murder Arabs just for being Arabs shopping for humous in Paris. They aren't about to mass murder magazine publishers for printing offensive to Jews cartoons in Paris either (which BTW Charlie Hebdo has indeed done) The global threat to modern civilization is ISLAMIC JIHAD ... not a small number of over the top black hat Jews. The latter about are about threatening to the world as Amish people in Pennsylvania using horses and buggies instead of cars. More like QUAINT. Quaint - to spit at ladies and little girls? Of course they aren't anything like the lunatic terrorist killers that the Islamic extreme produces. But quaint ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 No I don't. Because Judaism and Islam are very different religions. Islamic ideology is very interested in conversion of the entire world (like Christianity). Judaism does not actively seek converts at all, and is traditionally based on the religion being passed by birth. The toxic form of Christianity has been a horrible plague on the world as in the past, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc, but has moved on. Islam has MOVED BACKWARDS. I've had Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses knock on my door in the past wanting to convert me to their way of thinking. But never ever met any Molslems (or Jews for that matter) who seemed remotely interested in converting me or anyone else. Christianity and Islam are open religions, as is Buddhism and Hinduism. Excuse my ignorance, I really don't know, is Judaism an open religion that welcomes converts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 No I don't. Because Judaism and Islam are very different religions. Islamic ideology is very interested in conversion of the entire world (like Christianity). Judaism does not actively seek converts at all, and is traditionally based on the religion being passed by birth. The toxic form of Christianity has been a horrible plague on the world as in the past, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc, but has moved on. Islam has MOVED BACKWARDS. I've had Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses knock on my door in the past wanting to convert me to their way of thinking. But never ever met any Molslems (or Jews for that matter) who seemed remotely interested in converting me or anyone else. Christianity and Islam are open religions, as is Buddhism and Hinduism. Excuse my ignorance, I really don't know, is Judaism an open religion that welcomes converts? The process of converting to Christianity or Islam is relatively swift and straightforward. Jewish religion heaps difficulties on the path of the convert, the idea being one needs to prove that he truly desires be part of the faith. Overall, not very inclusive. Muslims do not normally do the door-to-door missionary bit. Hinduism is not quite an open religion - most temples will not have issues with outsiders partaking, but there are limits. More obvious in India, though. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandusauk Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 And they ask for respect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slain Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 No I don't. Because Judaism and Islam are very different religions. Islamic ideology is very interested in conversion of the entire world (like Christianity). Judaism does not actively seek converts at all, and is traditionally based on the religion being passed by birth. The toxic form of Christianity has been a horrible plague on the world as in the past, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc, but has moved on. Islam has MOVED BACKWARDS. But do not Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Muslims pray to the same god? Yes. The one that is non existant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timewilltell Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 No I don't. Because Judaism and Islam are very different religions. Islamic ideology is very interested in conversion of the entire world (like Christianity). Judaism does not actively seek converts at all, and is traditionally based on the religion being passed by birth. The toxic form of Christianity has been a horrible plague on the world as in the past, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc, but has moved on. Islam has MOVED BACKWARDS. But do not Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Muslims pray to the same god? Thai lawyers all belong to the Lawyers Council but some are crooked as hell, some are ignorant, some are lazy and some are racist. They are not all the same and there might even be some good honest ones - maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbalEd Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) The harassment of, and spitting at young girls who aren't dressed to their standard is far from quaint. Edited January 15, 2015 by HerbalEd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) The harassment of, and spitting at young girls who aren't dressed to their standard is far from quaint. I agree but actually there are some things the Amish do to non-conformers that aren't so quaint either. Both are smaller population communities in geographically specific places. You can avoid ... no problem. OK ... perhaps a bigger problem to avoid if you live in Israel ... nobody is making anyone live in or visit Israel, are they? Edited January 15, 2015 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Liberal Jews of my acquaintance tell me that they view these loonies with the same suspicion and disdain they do the fanatics from the other team. They feel the likelihood of peace is diminished by their obsessions and actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) Liberal Jews of my acquaintance tell me that they view these loonies with the same suspicion and disdain they do the fanatics from the other team. They feel the likelihood of peace is diminished by their obsessions and actions. You really do oversimplify greatly ... so without getting into the many different factions of Jews in world, politically and religiously, I can agree liberal secular Jews don't have much in common with ultra religious Jews. Keep in mind Israel is NOT a theocracy and the origins of Zionism (national liberation movement for the Jewish PEOPLE) were mostly POLITICAL, not dogmatically religious. Edited January 15, 2015 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The harassment of, and spitting at young girls who aren't dressed to their standard is far from quaint. I agree but actually there are some things the Amish do to non-conformers that aren't so quaint either. Both are smaller population communities in geographically specific places. You can avoid ... no problem. OK ... perhaps a bigger problem to avoid if you live in Israel ... nobody is making anyone live in or visit Israel, are they? Why bring in the Amish to a discussion about something that happened in Israel? Whatever the Amish do or don't do is irrelevant and certainly doesn't legitimize or reduce the behaviors of others in some way. If Ultra extreme Jews want to sensor their newspapers in this way, up to them. They don't, AFAIK, insist host communities in which the live outside Israel must all follow Jewish law, or attack people for drawing cartoons, or behead people for having a different faith. But they do hold a more extreme view, which is their right as long as they don't try to force others into compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Liberal Jews of my acquaintance tell me that they view these loonies with the same suspicion and disdain they do the fanatics from the other team. They feel the likelihood of peace is diminished by their obsessions and actions. In religion or political ideologies most people take a moderate view and dislike the fanatics, extremists and zealots. Sadly it's the latter category we here the most of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 No I don't. Because Judaism and Islam are very different religions. Islamic ideology is very interested in conversion of the entire world (like Christianity). Judaism does not actively seek converts at all, and is traditionally based on the religion being passed by birth. The toxic form of Christianity has been a horrible plague on the world as in the past, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc, but has moved on. Islam has MOVED BACKWARDS. But do not Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Muslims pray to the same god? Yes. The one that is non existant. You have proof? You can prove this fact? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcrab Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 No I don't. Because Judaism and Islam are very different religions. Islamic ideology is very interested in conversion of the entire world (like Christianity). Judaism does not actively seek converts at all, and is traditionally based on the religion being passed by birth. The toxic form of Christianity has been a horrible plague on the world as in the past, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc, but has moved on. Islam has MOVED BACKWARDS. So JT you are saying Jews and the Thais are basically the same........you have to be born one to be one. The country you are born in is irrelevant to a Jew? And on top of that the Jews are God's chosen people? No wonder they have been persecuted for millennia. Just as mad as the muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 No I don't. Because Judaism and Islam are very different religions. Islamic ideology is very interested in conversion of the entire world (like Christianity). Judaism does not actively seek converts at all, and is traditionally based on the religion being passed by birth. The toxic form of Christianity has been a horrible plague on the world as in the past, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc, but has moved on. Islam has MOVED BACKWARDS. But do not Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Muslims pray to the same god? Yes. The one that is non existant. You have proof? You can prove this fact? You CAN prove God exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The harassment of, and spitting at young girls who aren't dressed to their standard is far from quaint. I agree but actually there are some things the Amish do to non-conformers that aren't so quaint either. Both are smaller population communities in geographically specific places. You can avoid ... no problem. OK ... perhaps a bigger problem to avoid if you live in Israel ... nobody is making anyone live in or visit Israel, are they? So there are no ultra conservative Jews outside of Israel. Ok! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcrab Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The harassment of, and spitting at young girls who aren't dressed to their standard is far from quaint. I agree but actually there are some things the Amish do to non-conformers that aren't so quaint either. Both are smaller population communities in geographically specific places. You can avoid ... no problem. OK ... perhaps a bigger problem to avoid if you live in Israel ... nobody is making anyone live in or visit Israel, are they? Or Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Off topic posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 You have proof? You can prove this fact? You CAN prove God exists? Nope - never said he/she did, does or doesn't. Can you prove either way? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcrab Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Who wants to dress like ZZTop and smack their head against a wall? You think most Jews are like that, do you?Don't be daft. Just as I don't think most Jews are like the vampire Rabbis who mutilate babies genitals and suck the blood from the penis, either. Sick but not representative. http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/israel-s-chief-rabbinate-says-oral-suction-at-circumcision-is-preferred-1.517349Anyway, no, the reason is that you are born into being a Jewish person based on birth and it is not a religion interested in converting people unless they themselves approach and are strongly motivated to work at it. Nothing such as "instant" conversion to being a Jew. Radically different that way than Christianity and Islam, that's a fact,Really? I thought the Ashkenazi Jews who are apparently now dominant were ordered to become Jews by their king who was sick of their debauchery. I think he picked Judaism by 'spin-the-bottle'. Since they never had any connection, either by birth or proximity to Jerusalem, they had to 'promise' themselves the land because they certainly didn't have any credible claim to it.I am with you on conversion. 'God-botherers' are tasked with going out into the world and spreading the 'Good News'. They are well-meaning if irritating. As for instant conversions. They do happen and thank goodness. Many a fallen individual has been rescued by the Church. Thanks for posting the link. I think that has set the standard even a staunch catholic priest would be challenged to meet. I believe the priests have the decency to wait until school years.....not a few days after birth before they go down on a young boy. I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 You have proof? You can prove this fact?You CAN prove God exists? Nope - never said he/she did, does or doesn't. Can you prove either way? Nope but your post implied it. Never mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The harassment of, and spitting at young girls who aren't dressed to their standard is far from quaint. I agree but actually there are some things the Amish do to non-conformers that aren't so quaint either. Both are smaller population communities in geographically specific places. You can avoid ... no problem. OK ... perhaps a bigger problem to avoid if you live in Israel ... nobody is making anyone live in or visit Israel, are they? So there are no ultra conservative Jews outside of Israel. Ok! I didn't say that. They aren't going to bother you ... so chill out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 No I don't. Because Judaism and Islam are very different religions. Islamic ideology is very interested in conversion of the entire world (like Christianity). Judaism does not actively seek converts at all, and is traditionally based on the religion being passed by birth. The toxic form of Christianity has been a horrible plague on the world as in the past, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc, but has moved on. Islam has MOVED BACKWARDS. So JT you are saying Jews and the Thais are basically the same........you have to be born one to be one. The country you are born in is irrelevant to a Jew? And on top of that the Jews are God's chosen people? No wonder they have been persecuted for millennia. Just as mad as the muslims. I am happy for you that you feel free to spout classic antisemitic tropes here. Not going to bother to reply. Like anything I would say would change the toxic bias of a person that posted such garbage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwyn Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 having some friends from Israel,they told me that Ultra-Orthodox dudes spit at female soldiers and women in general...as the one who spat at a 7 years old girl...because he found her provocative You won't meet a more pro-Israel person than me but I have to say the Haredi Jews make me sick. There more medieval than most Muslims in their beliefs and their bigotry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 having some friends from Israel,they told me that Ultra-Orthodox dudes spit at female soldiers and women in general...as the one who spat at a 7 years old girl...because he found her provocative You won't meet a more pro-Israel person than me but I have to say the Haredi Jews make me sick. There more medieval than most Muslims in their beliefs and their bigotry Well, I don't want to party with them either, but they definitely have too much political power in Israel because even though a minority they wield clout in COALITION governments in Israel's parliamentary system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The harassment of, and spitting at young girls who aren't dressed to their standard is far from quaint. I agree but actually there are some things the Amish do to non-conformers that aren't so quaint either. Both are smaller population communities in geographically specific places. You can avoid ... no problem. OK ... perhaps a bigger problem to avoid if you live in Israel ... nobody is making anyone live in or visit Israel, are they? So there are no ultra conservative Jews outside of Israel. Ok! I didn't say that. They aren't going to bother you ... so chill out. They would if I lived in Hackney, London, ohh and I'm very chilled thanks, coldest it's been in Thailand for a long time! http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5862320 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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