Decision to indict Yingluck questioned

[mikemac]

As far as getting the facts straight I would say rubl probably has far more insight regarding Thai politics than the author of that one-sided Bloomberg article, one William Pesek.

A journo based in Tokyo who probably knows a lot more about sushi than the sins of the Shins.

His story gave me the impression that he liked to "walk on the red side", or that he is just not aware of the whole sorry saga of the Shin Dynasty.

Maybe I will contact him and ask him.

That would actually be pretty funny if you did. Be interesting to hear what his response would be.

Well, I have to do it now, don't I ? You will be the first to know what the response was, not matter what it is.

[khunken]

Seems that some have missed the point that the Op is about indicting Yingluck and not about impeachment.

Now I don't know how far the Thaksin tentacles stretch within some of the foreign media, but I do know from a number of articles that the Economist praises Thaksin because he is their favourite regional capitalist and Bloomberg is sometimes not far behind. No, the Economist & Bloomberg are not as bad at distortion as Forbes or the Asian WSJ, but they certainly have their biases and it's not economic sufficiency.

[In Town]

could it be some sort of influence from afar......

Oh, that's right, you're the guy that thinks Thaksin controls the entire rest of the world's media, lol.

Paranoid, much?

The Economist had a very pro Shin article, full of inaccuracies. Now Bloomberg. AFP and BBC's Head are famous for their bias towards the Shins whilst ignoring some less savory aspects and distorting the facts to suit.

A Rothschild letter of support for Yinngy in the BP. Why do you think that was? Were they moved by the perceived unjust treatment of someone they see as a brilliant reforming PM and DM, bringing a just and social reform in a democratic way to Thailand. A truly world class stateswoman? Or maybe, they have a more selfish reason?

Thaksin isn't as powerful as he'd like to think on the world stage, but he is useful to those that are; and has built up his connections to them. Thaksin, would on past record, have no concerns about selling Thailand out as long as his family gained. That's a useful trait to some.

Yes, its a conspiracy. All the major international media, all the international human rights organisations, all the democracy organisations, all the exiled overseas Thais, all the foreign governments and leaders who have spoken out against the coup, and a majority of the Thai population are all Thaksin puppets, bought and paid for, whose only job is to endlessly attack the peaceful military and corporate elites who only have the best interest of all Thais in their hearts. Its a tragedy.

[seajae]

could it be some sort of influence from afar......

Oh, that's right, you're the guy that thinks Thaksin controls the entire rest of the world's media, lol.

Paranoid, much?

The Economist had a very pro Shin article, full of inaccuracies. Now Bloomberg. AFP and BBC's Head are famous for their bias towards the Shins whilst ignoring some less savory aspects and distorting the facts to suit.

A Rothschild letter of support for Yinngy in the BP. Why do you think that was? Were they moved by the perceived unjust treatment of someone they see as a brilliant reforming PM and DM, bringing a just and social reform in a democratic way to Thailand. A truly world class stateswoman? Or maybe, they have a more selfish reason?

Thaksin isn't as powerful as he'd like to think on the world stage, but he is useful to those that are; and has built up his connections to them. Thaksin, would on past record, have no concerns about selling Thailand out as long as his family gained. That's a useful trait to some.

Yes, its a conspiracy. All the major international media, all the international human rights organisations, all the democracy organisations, all the exiled overseas Thais, all the foreign governments and leaders who have spoken out against the coup, and a majority of the Thai population are all Thaksin puppets, bought and paid for, whose only job is to endlessly attack the peaceful military and corporate elites who only have the best interest of all Thais in their hearts. Its a tragedy.

you must live somewhere else, the majority of thais dont back thaksin at all, you really should learn to count or read maybe even both and maybe them you would understand that getting under 50% of the vote is not the majority of thais and since then even more have left the fold as they realized hoe corrupt they are. Dont worry, you and your mates can all get p*ssed tonight to drown your sorrows over your darling yl.

Edited January 23, 2015 by seajae

[In Town]

Okay. Then lets have an election. Monitored by whoever you want. Then we can finally determine who the Thai people want. Okay?

[In Town]

Yes, I do live somewhere else; Erehwon. Where black is white and no means yes...

Edited January 23, 2015 by In Town

[rubl]

Okay. Then lets have an election. Monitored by whoever you want. Then we can finally determine who the Thai people want. Okay?

Does that have anything to do with 'rule of law' and holding a former PM to her responsibilities and her accountability?

[ldiablo]

And I suppose you are vety informed rubl!

[JAG]

Okay. Then lets have an election. Monitored by whoever you want. Then we can finally determine who the Thai people want. Okay?

Does that have anything to do with 'rule of law' and holding a former PM to her responsibilities and her accountability?

Probably not in your particular view but it has everything to do with the claims of a military junta, which came to power in a process which involved preventing a constitutional election and then using that as an excuse to seize power. Said Junta claims to have the backing of the overwhelming majority of the Thai people. The enthusiastic Junta supporters on this forum claim the same. An election would prove both parties right, would it not?

[djjamie]

How can an unelected 'panel' impeach a former PM? I mean it is ludicrous! if she's guilty of corruption arrest her and take her to court, they don't and won't, this is all about politics and negating opposition

How can an unelected criminal sway an amnesty vote to 310 - 0 against the wishes of the majority especially when parliament is supposed to represent the majority.

I mean it is ludicrous..

If the majority do not want an amnesty then it should be taken to parliament. They couldn't.

That was all political and negating opposition.

[rubl]

Okay. Then lets have an election. Monitored by whoever you want. Then we can finally determine who the Thai people want. Okay?

Does that have anything to do with 'rule of law' and holding a former PM to her responsibilities and her accountability?

Probably not in your particular view but it has everything to do with the claims of a military junta, which came to power in a process which involved preventing a constitutional election and then using that as an excuse to seize power. Said Junta claims to have the backing of the overwhelming majority of the Thai people. The enthusiastic Junta supporters on this forum claim the same. An election would prove both parties right, would it not?

So you want the general public to vote on whether or not Ms. Yingluck was 'criminally negligent' ?

The laws and all supporting evidence and the lack of replies from Ms. Yingluck not enough for you? You want to know if the Thai population really minds the mislaid 700 billion Baht which hampers the current governments ability to start economy lifting projects? Does the Thai population really mind the tax base will be broadened, VAT raised?

Or should I ask if the Thai population is sufficiently aware of these issues?

Anyway, the decision to indict questioned, but no comment on reasoning. Makes you wonder.

[TheClog]

You have to look at who is doing the indicting.

Not a shred of electoral legitimacy between them.

Trust the appointed Members were handsomely remunerated

[Skywalker69]

Just ask the junta.

They have all the answers pre-written.

Just like Yingluk ?????

Outch!!

[rockingrobin]

Not everything is always as it seems

Yes Yingluck is impeached, indicted , other MPs and officials rightly or wrongly, but is the real story. I always like to look beyond the actions and ask what is its purpose and why now.

We are expected to believe that it is being done for the good of the Thai people and nation, punish wrongdoers and end corruption

If we were to examine these events objectively , the impeachment has no doubt polarized the political landscape that will take years if not a decade to reconcile . The government cannot hope to end corruption whilst disenfranchising some of its citizens by appearing to influence judicial decisions such as the NLA impeachment

Of course the ruling government is aware of the outcome of these actions, so the real question is why is it taking these actions now, I suspect the real power game is being played behind closed doors with a lot more at stake than impeachment, corruption, something that cannot be left to the citizens

[mikemac]

Not everything is always as it seems

Yes Yingluck is impeached, indicted , other MPs and officials rightly or wrongly, but is the real story. I always like to look beyond the actions and ask what is its purpose and why now.

We are expected to believe that it is being done for the good of the Thai people and nation, punish wrongdoers and end corruption

If we were to examine these events objectively , the impeachment has no doubt polarized the political landscape that will take years if not a decade to reconcile . The government cannot hope to end corruption whilst disenfranchising some of its citizens by appearing to influence judicial decisions such as the NLA impeachment

Of course the ruling government is aware of the outcome of these actions, so the real question is why is it taking these actions now, I suspect the real power game is being played behind closed doors with a lot more at stake than impeachment, corruption, something that cannot be left to the citizens

..................."the impeachment has no doubt polarized the political landscape that will take years if not a decade to reconcile"............................

You make it sound like a bad thing, to make someone who holds a position like PM to be held accountable for their actions. Should be more of it, and not just picking on the Shin gang, but all sides of the political circus, the RTP, the Miltary, anyone in any political position whatsoever, right down to the crooked village headman.

You try to make everything seem grey and murky, but sometimes things just happen for a reason, and Yingluck has set a precedent. She had the chance to come out of this smelling like roses but she blew it. Watch a lot of her former fans drop her like a hot potato. But then that started happening long before the junta stepped in.

[scorecard]

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Okay. Then lets have an election. Monitored by whoever you want. Then we can finally determine who the Thai people want. Okay?

Does that have anything to do with 'rule of law' and holding a former PM to her responsibilities and her accountability?

Probably not in your particular view but it has everything to do with the claims of a military junta, which came to power in a process which involved preventing a constitutional election and then using that as an excuse to seize power. Said Junta claims to have the backing of the overwhelming majority of the Thai people. The enthusiastic Junta supporters on this forum claim the same. An election would prove both parties right, would it not?

Jeez, how many times are you, and a few others, going to trot out that line from the Robert playbook?

No doubt you would be quite OK:

- To have seen deeper and bigger corruption, more 'populist' programs on other crops, products etc., etc., raping more and more from the common wealth of Thailand but in reality very few gaining strong benefits, plus the poorer and very poor sectors getting next to nothing or even nothing.

Nobody would disagree there needs to be some serious and urgent work done to create, build, maintain a scenario whereby a lot more Thai people have a good quality of life through their own productivity. And I ask you what policies were mooted or enacted by all the paymasters governments in this regard, over some 12 years? None, nothing, zero, not even one word. It is true of course that other governments also did little in this regard.

- More and more of the checks and balances destroyed. One possible forecast could well have been even further destruction of the mandate and the resources of the NACC plus more political interference to direst what they look at and direct their findings.

- More underhanded and immoral actions to whitewash actual criminals and cancel cases in progress.

- More underhanded and immoral actions to gain a scenario whereby elections could never unseat the previous government.

- More crap from the previous government proclaiming that they were democratic and they were protecting democracy when in fact their actions were the opposite and in reality they had made quite some progress in setting up a dictatorship.

- More puppets manipulated by the greedy man abroad. In the era just finishing a puppet who was quite incapable and immoral. In reality totally insulting to the good, honest, sincere Thai people who are expected to just grimace and accept crumbs.

Edited January 24, 2015 by scorecard

[mikemac]

Okay. Then lets have an election. Monitored by whoever you want. Then we can finally determine who the Thai people want. Okay?

Does that have anything to do with 'rule of law' and holding a former PM to her responsibilities and her accountability?

Probably not in your particular view but it has everything to do with the claims of a military junta, which came to power in a process which involved preventing a constitutional election and then using that as an excuse to seize power. Said Junta claims to have the backing of the overwhelming majority of the Thai people. The enthusiastic Junta supporters on this forum claim the same. An election would prove both parties right, would it not?

As usual JAG you have it all wrong. You seem to think if you throw enough mud some of it is bound to stick, but your tired and boring arguments are getting you nowhere.

Instead of blaming the Military for the giant fiasco that is Thai politics at the moment, have the sense and courage to go to the root of the problem, and you will find the common denominator is one Thaksin Shinawatra, the only true dictator to rule this country in the last 10 years.

You also have it in your mind that anyone who has the audacity to oppose the Shin regime is an "enthusiastic Junta supporter", wrong again but you will never admit to it.

As I have said many times in the past I would be more than happy if the country was governed by a fair and just government but that is never going to happen while Thaksin has anything to do with it.

My only hope is that the Shins are permanently removed from Thai politics, and the Democrats as well, to appease the anti-yellow crowd, and the various other parties are given a chance to govern the country, fairly and honestly.

My favorite icecream flavor is coconut, but I will settle for strawberry if coconut is not available.