UK tourist found dead on Koh Tao consumed Valium, alcohol

[smedly]

Smedly and Monk213

You are both right but tell me what has this to do with the original story and what I posted, which relates to alcohol and Valium and my not mentioning tramadol? The preliminary report only relates to what I discussed, not what you have brought to the forum The only relevant point I can see is the quantity aspect mentioned by Smedly. May I ask you both, if there is any other relevancy, would you please enlighten me?

so you don't think quantity is relevant - I can assure you it is very very relevant

as already mentioned on this thread many things can become toxic to our bodies if taken in large quantities - I gave the example of water because it is not something that a lot of people would be aware of, and we are not talking about drowning we are talking about drinking

[monk213]

Smedly and Monk213

You are both right but tell me what has this to do with the original story and what I posted, which relates to alcohol and Valium and my not mentioning tramadol? The preliminary report only relates to what I discussed, not what you have brought to the forum The only relevant point I can see is the quantity aspect mentioned by Smedly. May I ask you both, if there is any other relevancy, would you please enlighten me?

so you don't think quantity is relevant - I can assure you it is very very relevant

as already mentioned on this thread many things can become toxic to our bodies if taken in large quantities - I gave the example of water because it is not something that a lot of people would be aware of, and we are not talking about drowning we are talking about drinking

Hey don't worry, some people are so stuck in their ways and opinionated there is absolutely no way to get through to them. We were discussing the diazepam and alcohol combination, I clearly stated you could combine the 2 for your first time with zero tolerance and be fine, in fact this will most likely happen, you may have no memory of what took place or have a slight injury or something, but the vast majority of people will be fine. You could do this 1,000 times and be fine, but there are some people (due to biochemistry and other exterior factors) that would die on their first time combining the 2. It would most likely take a lot of at least 1 of the 2 though.

[catsanddogs]

Regarding Lauren Hebden who is reported to have been missing Since September 2014 - The media reports that

According to missingabroad.org Lauren went travelling in September 2013 and kept in touch regularly via Skye, however, this stopped in September 2014, apart from one email in December 2014.

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Missing-British-backpacker-Koh-Tao-Thailand/story-25929008-detail/story.html

There are no reports about this woman that give any enlightenment to the situation which I find strange. If there was a three month gap between her communications with her last email being in December, why aren't investigators releasing the contents of this last email in an effort to help with the investigation? And also why aren't they giving details of who she communicated with? There has been nothing in the media to help find her - no words from friends or family - nothing from the workers or management at Dive place she worked at. If this was my daughter missing I would be getting the media to put out everything possible in the hope that someone might be able to assist with finding her. And nothing on her Facebook timeline and no photos under the 'friends' section? Surely the police know by now who was the last person to see her alive?

[Mooner]

Wasn't there supposed to be another test result today on chemicals found in her body.

[tukkytuktuk]

Missing women found https://mobile.twitter.com/missingabroad

[ukrules]

Missing women found https://mobile.twitter.com/missingabroad

Well that is good news

[CRUNCHER]

Missing women found https://mobile.twitter.com/missingabroad

Good, but I wonder if we will ever get to know what this was about.

[elektrified]

People seem to forget that valium is illegal in Thailand and that it is addictive if taken for prolonged periods. Weed and beer are the safest highs though weed is even more illegal than valium. Tramadol is relatively new and is just a poor substitute for codeine which is illegal in Thailand. For the international mess regarding big pharma, personal freedom and the silly illegalities of some drugs.....blame the USA who imposed their corrupt will on the world.

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Valium is illegal in Thailand????? Codeine is illegal??? You are really uninformed.

They are both illegal in Thailand, valium may be available for purchase without the required prescription yet remains illegal and is most probably fake when available in the street. Codeine is only available from hospital dispensaries and is considered highly illegal, catergory II which also includes opium and cocaine, and is not generally available. The OP was well informed unlike yourself.

Wrong! My doctor gives me Valium whenever I need it. It is NOT illegal in Thailand. It is perfectly legal. Codeine is available from doctors as well.

[tukkytuktuk]

Missing women found https://mobile.twitter.com/missingabroad

Good, but I wonder if we will ever get to know what this was about.

From my research into this case it seems the missing girl had a fall out with her parents and stopped contact with them for several months. They saw the news about koh tao so were naturally worried about their daughter. They have travel led to the island to find her and they did. Stubborn bitch should never put a family through what she has, let's hope she gets a good telling off when she returns back to the U.K.

[balo]

This just shows that the truth can be very different than what we fear happened.

And further speculations about a girl that most likely died of a mix of drugs and alcohol is something we should accept now, as the truth .

[cowboy country]

British girl on Koh Tao may have died from own medication

BANGKOK: -- A British political activist found dead at a bungalow on Koh Tao last week may have died from her own medication used to cure her chronic sickness.

The theory of Ms Christina Annesley’s death was revealed by head of the Institute of Forensic Medicine Pol Maj Gen Pornchai Suthirakun today.

He said autopsy found no traces of narcotic substance in her body and it was believed medication she took for a chronic illness may have caused her death.

He said however that autopsy scientists would try to identify the medication and determine its effects.

However he stated that this would take longer time than the drugs test because of the complexity of the medication.

But at a press conference today Royal Thai Poluce spokesman Pol Lt-Gen Prawuthi Thavornsiri said autopsy showed there were traces of valium and alcohol in the body and might cause death.

The two substances might interact with her medication and thus could effect the breathing system. But this depended on the quantity of doses, coupled with her physical health.

Autopsy scientists would examine in details of the tissues to establish the real cause. The result would be known January 29, he added.

Christina Annesley, 23, from Orpington in London was found dead in a bungalow on Sairee beach of Koh Tao in Surat Thani province on January 21 at the same place as where two British tourists, Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, were found murdered in September last year.

There was no evidence of violence. She was on a bed with a blanket over her. Police found medications in her room. She checked in on January 19.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/british-girl-koh-tao-may-die-medication

-- Thai PBS 2015-01-27

Hmm, she tells the world she's had Tmamadol, they find Valium and Alcohol...

Do they reall know what they are doing here? Again releasing incorrect details along the way..

In the initial reports it was stated that the door was opened with a spare key by a staff member..Now we hear that her door was left open.....All this in the house of the local headman Mon.......Starting to stink in here again...Or should i say it looks like the stench is here to stay..Someone suggested that Mon's son Nomsod was in the temple her body was kept at doing Monk duties...now that's a sick thought given his taste for the afterlife...Sick puppies will not be forgotten..

[cowboy country]

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Backpackers here get excited about what's freely availlable in the pharmacy's. Valium is just one of them.

But why do UK-girls want to be pissed all the time? On a place like Koh Tao you can be happy without any drugs i guess.

pharmacies in Thailand are actually relatively strict as to what you can buy over the counter....the real marketplace is Laos or Cambodia!

Not on the islands....you find me a pharmacy where you need to spend 3000 baht on antibiotics alone...Koh Tao is a law unto itself...

[cowboy country]

A valium and alcohol will have virtually zero additional effect, like an extra drink or two.

Technically it's possible that it can kill you but I believe you would need to consume a huge amount of both alcohol and valium for this to happen. It wouldn't happen by accident.

Certain painkillers which won't generally be available in Thailand are something different entirely, a few of them with a night of drinking can send you directly to the morgue just like all those hollywood types who occasionally die. They often take valium too but it's the opiate based medications that do the damage.

Why don't we just assume that it was a drug/alcohol combination that caused her death and cut out the 'forensic doctor pretence crap'!!

Are all of the doubters that were doing overtime yesterday satisfied now, or are you going to wait for the UK autopsy that won't happen to prove beyond all doubt that it was an unfortunate accidental death?

I bet that you are still working on ways to implicate the secret Mafia of Koh Tao into the story!!. You are very amusing indeed.

Aah the mayor's brother...

The mafia on Koh Tao is no longer a secret, haven't you heard...

Anyway, can you explain why Mon was on the crime scene again?

Can you explain why at first it was said a spare key was used and next minute it seems her door was left open, amidst reports she was naked that is not strange to you, do you not think someone would lock their door whilst staying 100 metres from where there was a double murder followed by a perverse rape...

What about the girl who said Mon said, she wanted to commit suicide, did Mon say that,

pretty sure Sean said Mon said similar things...

If he's not the mafia, you've just arrived...tell us Mayor's brother, what is your official status there...or is it all a bit embarrassing now...Twenty years on these islands tell me you are full of diatribe fed by your elders you little puppy, sick puppy at that..

[cowboy country]

A valium and alcohol will have virtually zero additional effect, like an extra drink or two.

Technically it's possible that it can kill you but I believe you would need to consume a huge amount of both alcohol and valium for this to happen. It wouldn't happen by accident.

Certain painkillers which won't generally be available in Thailand are something different entirely, a few of them with a night of drinking can send you directly to the morgue just like all those hollywood types who occasionally die. They often take valium too but it's the opiate based medications that do the damage.

The RTP say she had the medicine in her room, what they don't say is what meds were prescribed in the UK. If not from the UK why would someone that

seemed to be a lively and happy person go and buy valium. Did she buy valium from a local pharmacy?? If not then who gave it to her

Of course the alcohol may have been the illegal stuff that is sold on the Island and has been known to poison Farang's.

Seems to me that there are a number of avenue's to be investigated but will it happen. One thing is for sure, the number of deaths of young people is

far higher than normal.

I've never once seen meds sold in a bottle here in over 20 years living here, always in plastic zip bags with the instructions written on in Thai by the salesperson...not many of them are actual pharmacists...And you can still pretty much get what you need if you pay and search around for the dodgy ones...The p[lace reeks as a result, not to mention the Ya ba freaks you see around...There's a well known Doctor in Samui named Dr death, who also sell on medical certificates for working girls who need a HIV clearance to work...Sick of this rubbish, had a dear friend who lost the plot to candy store chemists...tidy it up Junta...especially the islands...No coincidence Dr death trades in a street controlled by the local kingpins Soi solo...there you go Mr General, you've been told about mafia, it's no secret....

[cowboy country]

A valium and alcohol will have virtually zero additional effect, like an extra drink or two.

Technically it's possible that it can kill you but I believe you would need to consume a huge amount of both alcohol and valium for this to happen. It wouldn't happen by accident.

Certain painkillers which won't generally be available in Thailand are something different entirely, a few of them with a night of drinking can send you directly to the morgue just like all those hollywood types who occasionally die. They often take valium too but it's the opiate based medications that do the damage.

Why don't we just assume that it was a drug/alcohol combination that caused her death and cut out the 'forensic doctor pretence crap'!!

Are all of the doubters that were doing overtime yesterday satisfied now, or are you going to wait for the UK autopsy that won't happen to prove beyond all doubt that it was an unfortunate accidental death?

I bet that you are still working on ways to implicate the secret Mafia of Koh Tao into the story!!. You are very amusing indeed.

'Just assume' !? Convinced now you are a RTP employee or Mon.

I've already admitted to being the mayor's brother and have to own up that I am in the RTP - not sure what a mon is but I am probably one of them as well!!

LOL, not sure what a mon is....You're a cop on Koh Tao and don't know Mon...BWAAAAHAAAAA...please enough dribble you are digging such a big hole..

[cowboy country]

A valium and alcohol will have virtually zero additional effect, like an extra drink or two.

Technically it's possible that it can kill you but I believe you would need to consume a huge amount of both alcohol and valium for this to happen. It wouldn't happen by accident.

Certain painkillers which won't generally be available in Thailand are something different entirely, a few of them with a night of drinking can send you directly to the morgue just like all those hollywood types who occasionally die. They often take valium too but it's the opiate based medications that do the damage.

Why don't we just assume that it was a drug/alcohol combination that caused her death and cut out the 'forensic doctor pretence crap'!!

Are all of the doubters that were doing overtime yesterday satisfied now, or are you going to wait for the UK autopsy that won't happen to prove beyond all doubt that it was an unfortunate accidental death?

I bet that you are still working on ways to implicate the secret Mafia of Koh Tao into the story!!. You are very amusing indeed.

'Just assume' !? Convinced now you are a RTP employee or Mon.

I've already admitted to being the mayor's brother and have to own up that I am in the RTP - not sure what a mon is but I am probably one of them as well!!

LOL, not sure what a mon is....You're a cop on Koh Tao and don't know Mon...BWAAAAHAAAAA...please enough dribble you are digging such a big hole..

Testerday you wrote she was murdered and claimed it was a keyboard error...today you're a cop..So were you involved in the Double murder?

Themurder investigation I mean of course, damn keyboard errors...

[cowboy country]

This is what I think and I'm entitled to my own opinion.

There are no serial killer on this island.

We have two murders and the suspects has been arrested. They are Burmese and the trial is coming up soon.

All the other incidents on the island recently are related to suicide, accidents and now this girl tragic death.

Yesterday a man was found drowned in Jomtien beach. It's high season and many tourists around , every week we will hear about trragi deaths, not only on Koh Tao.

This is my opinion, now please continue to speculate all you want about a possible serial killer.

There were 3 sets of DNA found on Hannah and you know it, so are you on the payroll or is your head in the sand...

Do you think they got the French man with his hands tied behind his back right when they called it suicide? Lucky11 were you involved in that murder?

Sorry, damn keyboard error, were you involved in that suicide investigation?

[Cletus]

Dont want to make any conspirations in this case, but Valium and alcohol must be consumed in very very very high doses to be lethal.

You should not be making comments like this as it is not true. I have worked in the USA for several years as a pharmaceutical Tech. You guys are crazy. combining a sedative like Valium and alcohol is dangerous combinations. Both substances are depressants. Taking two drugs that have a similar action in the body at the same time can increase the chances that they will work together to slow the central nervous system down so much that it stops entirely.

When this happens the following occurs.

The heart stops

Breathing stops

Oxygen does not get to the brain

Brain function stops

if you taken these two substances together you have been very lucky!!

I do agree here you guys are crazy and lucky stop taking that sh*t.

[catsanddogs]

British girl on Koh Tao may have died from own medication

BANGKOK: -- A British political activist found dead at a bungalow on Koh Tao last week may have died from her own medication used to cure her chronic sickness.

The theory of Ms Christina Annesley’s death was revealed by head of the Institute of Forensic Medicine Pol Maj Gen Pornchai Suthirakun today.

He said autopsy found no traces of narcotic substance in her body and it was believed medication she took for a chronic illness may have caused her death.

He said however that autopsy scientists would try to identify the medication and determine its effects.

However he stated that this would take longer time than the drugs test because of the complexity of the medication.

But at a press conference today Royal Thai Poluce spokesman Pol Lt-Gen Prawuthi Thavornsiri said autopsy showed there were traces of valium and alcohol in the body and might cause death.

The two substances might interact with her medication and thus could effect the breathing system. But this depended on the quantity of doses, coupled with her physical health.

Autopsy scientists would examine in details of the tissues to establish the real cause. The result would be known January 29, he added.

Christina Annesley, 23, from Orpington in London was found dead in a bungalow on Sairee beach of Koh Tao in Surat Thani province on January 21 at the same place as where two British tourists, Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, were found murdered in September last year.

There was no evidence of violence. She was on a bed with a blanket over her. Police found medications in her room. She checked in on January 19.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/british-girl-koh-tao-may-die-medication

-- Thai PBS 2015-01-27

Hmm, she tells the world she's had Tmamadol, they find Valium and Alcohol...

Do they reall know what they are doing here? Again releasing incorrect details along the way..

In the initial reports it was stated that the door was opened with a spare key by a staff member..Now we hear that her door was left open.....All this in the house of the local headman Mon.......Starting to stink in here again...Or should i say it looks like the stench is here to stay..Someone suggested that Mon's son Nomsod was in the temple her body was kept at doing Monk duties...now that's a sick thought given his taste for the afterlife...Sick puppies will not be forgotten..

There are a lot of 'mights' in the report. Typical.

[catsanddogs]

British girl on Koh Tao may have died from own medication

BANGKOK: -- A British political activist found dead at a bungalow on Koh Tao last week may have died from her own medication used to cure her chronic sickness.

The theory of Ms Christina Annesley’s death was revealed by head of the Institute of Forensic Medicine Pol Maj Gen Pornchai Suthirakun today.

He said autopsy found no traces of narcotic substance in her body and it was believed medication she took for a chronic illness may have caused her death.

He said however that autopsy scientists would try to identify the medication and determine its effects.

However he stated that this would take longer time than the drugs test because of the complexity of the medication.

But at a press conference today Royal Thai Poluce spokesman Pol Lt-Gen Prawuthi Thavornsiri said autopsy showed there were traces of valium and alcohol in the body and might cause death.

The two substances might interact with her medication and thus could effect the breathing system. But this depended on the quantity of doses, coupled with her physical health.

Autopsy scientists would examine in details of the tissues to establish the real cause. The result would be known January 29, he added.

Christina Annesley, 23, from Orpington in London was found dead in a bungalow on Sairee beach of Koh Tao in Surat Thani province on January 21 at the same place as where two British tourists, Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, were found murdered in September last year.

There was no evidence of violence. She was on a bed with a blanket over her. Police found medications in her room. She checked in on January 19.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/british-girl-koh-tao-may-die-medication

-- Thai PBS 2015-01-27

Hmm, she tells the world she's had Tmamadol, they find Valium and Alcohol...

Do they reall know what they are doing here? Again releasing incorrect details along the way..

In the initial reports it was stated that the door was opened with a spare key by a staff member..Now we hear that her door was left open.....All this in the house of the local headman Mon.......Starting to stink in here again...Or should i say it looks like the stench is here to stay..Someone suggested that Mon's son Nomsod was in the temple her body was kept at doing Monk duties...now that's a sick thought given his taste for the afterlife...Sick puppies will not be forgotten..

Nomsod is not Mon's son as far as I'm aware.

[micmichd]

Typical for what?

[longstebe]

"There were no signs of rape".

Why do they feel the need to mention this?

[AleG]

Missing women found https://mobile.twitter.com/missingabroad

Good, but I wonder if we will ever get to know what this was about.

From my research into this case it seems the missing girl had a fall out with her parents and stopped contact with them for several months. They saw the news about koh tao so were naturally worried about their daughter. They have travel led to the island to find her and they did. Stubborn bitch should never put a family through what she has, let's hope she gets a good telling off when she returns back to the U.K.

That being the case we may now congratulate the armchair detectives for causing undue anguish to another family. Well done.

[Si Thea01]

Smedly and Monk213

You are both right but tell me what has this to do with the original story and what I posted, which relates to alcohol and Valium and my not mentioning tramadol? The preliminary report only relates to what I discussed, not what you have brought to the forum The only relevant point I can see is the quantity aspect mentioned by Smedly. May I ask you both, if there is any other relevancy, would you please enlighten me?

so you don't think quantity is relevant - I can assure you it is very very relevant

as already mentioned on this thread many things can become toxic to our bodies if taken in large quantities - I gave the example of water because it is not something that a lot of people would be aware of, and we are not talking about drowning we are talking about drinking

I think maybe you need to learn how to read or at least comprehend what is written. I said the only relevant point you made related to the quantity taken? Does this suggest to you that I do not understand?

You gave an example of something that is not relevant, even if some people do not understand. Drinking and drowning, the only other point you have got right, we are not talking about that, as no where in the findings has this ever been mentioned, so hopefully you can provide an example relevant to the subject and not a totally superfluous statement.

Edited January 30, 2015 by Si Thea01

[kiwikeith]

I should have been dead years ago if that mix kills . . . . .

Same here, then there might be some other toxin like the one that killed the Kiwi girls in Chiang Mai from spraying the room for bed bugs? Just a thought, but the drug alcohol sounds a bit week.

[Si Thea01]

Smedly and Monk213

You are both right but tell me what has this to do with the original story and what I posted, which relates to alcohol and Valium and my not mentioning tramadol? The preliminary report only relates to what I discussed, not what you have brought to the forum The only relevant point I can see is the quantity aspect mentioned by Smedly. May I ask you both, if there is any other relevancy, would you please enlighten me?

so you don't think quantity is relevant - I can assure you it is very very relevant

as already mentioned on this thread many things can become toxic to our bodies if taken in large quantities - I gave the example of water because it is not something that a lot of people would be aware of, and we are not talking about drowning we are talking about drinking

Hey don't worry, some people are so stuck in their ways and opinionated there is absolutely no way to get through to them. We were discussing the diazepam and alcohol combination, I clearly stated you could combine the 2 for your first time with zero tolerance and be fine, in fact this will most likely happen, you may have no memory of what took place or have a slight injury or something, but the vast majority of people will be fine. You could do this 1,000 times and be fine, but there are some people (due to biochemistry and other exterior factors) that would die on their first time combining the 2. It would most likely take a lot of at least 1 of the 2 though.

So I wasn't? Pray tell then, what was I discussing? Why don't you read what was written? Or do you, like many others, deliberately change things around to suit your own agenda? So, if one bases a statement on facts, they are stuck in one's ways, opinionated and there is no way some can get through to them? I'll back my knowledge of how lethal a combination of these two drugs can be any day against the dangerous material you are posting. As for your statement on consumption, is that from experience or just some made up rubbish that you are trying to promulgate. If it's the former than I can understand why you are posting what you do.

You should note that it’s never safe to drink while on Valium. The combination of alcohol and diazepam in the body enhances the most dangerous effects of both drugs and that's a medical fact. No, not every one reacts the same to this concoction but for you to state that the majority of people will be fine, you have no idea what you are talking about. Just for your information this is what can occur when mixing the two, and yes it does depend on quantity but this varies from person to person.

1. Alcohol poisoning

2. Drowsiness

3. Dizziness

4. Loss of consciousness

5. Shallow breathing

6. Problems with memory

7. Overdose

Your risk of overdose on Valium directly increases when Valium (diazepam) is taken with alcohol. Doctors never recommend mixing the two. Not even if you’re only having one or two drinks, or if you’re taking a normal therapeutic dose of Valium. So really, what you have written is misleading and very irresponsible.

Edited January 30, 2015 by Si Thea01

[spacebass]

Slightly off topic, but what was the final autopsy report on the frenchman that was found hanged on the island with his hands tied behind him?

Were the tied behind him. Or more Chinese whispers from the cynics at TV. It's not unheard of for people to bound their hands so that they can't stop themselves from committing suicide. It's not, I imagine, an easy feat.

And let's be fair, if you murdered someone and wanted to make it look like a suicide. Would you leave their hands tied, especially behind their back. It's illogical.

Logic in Thailand.........?

[monk213]

Smedly and Monk213

You are both right but tell me what has this to do with the original story and what I posted, which relates to alcohol and Valium and my not mentioning tramadol? The preliminary report only relates to what I discussed, not what you have brought to the forum The only relevant point I can see is the quantity aspect mentioned by Smedly. May I ask you both, if there is any other relevancy, would you please enlighten me?

so you don't think quantity is relevant - I can assure you it is very very relevant

as already mentioned on this thread many things can become toxic to our bodies if taken in large quantities - I gave the example of water because it is not something that a lot of people would be aware of, and we are not talking about drowning we are talking about drinking

Hey don't worry, some people are so stuck in their ways and opinionated there is absolutely no way to get through to them. We were discussing the diazepam and alcohol combination, I clearly stated you could combine the 2 for your first time with zero tolerance and be fine, in fact this will most likely happen, you may have no memory of what took place or have a slight injury or something, but the vast majority of people will be fine. You could do this 1,000 times and be fine, but there are some people (due to biochemistry and other exterior factors) that would die on their first time combining the 2. It would most likely take a lot of at least 1 of the 2 though.

So I wasn't? Pray tell then, what was I discussing? Why don't you read what was written? Or do you, like many others, deliberately change things around to suit your own agenda? So, if one bases a statement on facts, they are stuck in one's ways, opinionated and there is no way some can get through to them? I'll back my knowledge of how lethal a combination of these two drugs can be any day against the dangerous material you are posting. As for your statement on consumption, is that from experience or just some made up rubbish that you are trying to promulgate. If it's the former than I can understand why you are posting what you do.

You should note that it’s never safe to drink while on Valium. The combination of alcohol and diazepam in the body enhances the most dangerous effects of both drugs and that's a medical fact. No, not every one reacts the same to this concoction but for you to state that the majority of people will be fine, you have no idea what you are talking about. Just for your information this is what can occur when mixing the two, and yes it does depend on quantity but this varies from person to person.

1. Alcohol poisoning

2. Drowsiness

3. Dizziness

4. Loss of consciousness

5. Shallow breathing

6. Problems with memory

7. Overdose

Your risk of overdose on Valium directly increases when Valium (diazepam) is taken with alcohol. Doctors never recommend mixing the two. Not even if you’re only having one or two drinks, or if you’re taking a normal therapeutic dose of Valium. So really, what you have written is misleading and very irresponsible.

So like, for the past 5 years whenever I have had a drink which has probably been I would guess around 1,000 times (with diazepam), I have been dicing with death have I? I KNOW and HAVE SAID it is a potentially lethal combination, but the risk is very low. The amount of people I know online and IRL who mix the 2 runs into the hundreds and I have never heard of anybody I personally know or vaguely know to die from the combination. How much experience do you have with the combination or are you just pulling your shit from the internet or textbooks?

[Si Thea01]

Monk213

Your post answers everything about yourself and the type you associate with. No, I have no experience in taking this recipe, nor would I, I have a life, which it appears you do not. Maybe suffering from depression? My experience however, comes from being in law enforcement for about 30 years, where I was required to investigate many drug related matters, which, in the end, was determined to have involved this concoction, and other illicit drugs such as heroin and ecstasy.

I was required to investigate and then prepare and submit reports to the coroner and subsequently attend numerous coronial inquests. It was not up to me to determine how or what caused the demise of the deceased , only to gather the evidence and present it to the coroner, and that, combined with Toxicology reports, allowed the coroner to make his findings This is how one gains knowledge about these drugs and what they can do but then you would know all about this wouldn't you? I think not

So you tell me in your post, given your statistics, and based on averages, over 5 years, you could take this concoction about 200 times a year. What does this say about you? By your own admission you are dicing with many possible repercussions, one being death; maybe you're addicted but that is something you would take to your grave, denying. You then go on to ask if, as you put it, have I taken "my Shit" from the net or textbooks because you apparently deem yourself to be the expert and cannot accept that someone else has an opposing opinion, based on fact, not fabrications.

You amaze me, every time you avoid what has been asked and just go on how much of an expert you are and despite knowing 100's of takers, you have never heard of any one you know or vaguely know, dying form this combination. So if one of these alleged associates passed away from an O/D of this combination, then some of the others would contact you? Please, don't think I am one of your ilk and would believe this piece of fiction. I get the impression, from your posts, that you are a one eyed, self opinionated exaggerator who has to overstate everything in an attempt to sustain what he writes. Nothing factual, just a lot of non intellectual and unintelligible fiction.

[monk213]

Monk213

Your post answers everything about yourself and the type you associate with. No, I have no experience in taking this recipe, nor would I, I have a life, which it appears you do not. Maybe suffering from depression? My experience however, comes from being in law enforcement for about 30 years, where I was required to investigate many drug related matters, which, in the end, was determined to have involved this concoction, and other illicit drugs such as heroin and ecstasy.

I was required to investigate and then prepare and submit reports to the coroner and subsequently attend numerous coronial inquests. It was not up to me to determine how or what caused the demise of the deceased , only to gather the evidence and present it to the coroner, and that, combined with Toxicology reports, allowed the coroner to make his findings This is how one gains knowledge about these drugs and what they can do but then you would know all about this wouldn't you? I think not

So you tell me in your post, given your statistics, and based on averages, over 5 years, you could take this concoction about 200 times a year. What does this say about you? By your own admission you are dicing with many possible repercussions, one being death; maybe you're addicted but that is something you would take to your grave, denying. You then go on to ask if, as you put it, have I taken "my Shit" from the net or textbooks because you apparently deem yourself to be the expert and cannot accept that someone else has an opposing opinion, based on fact, not fabrications.

You amaze me, every time you avoid what has been asked and just go on how much of an expert you are and despite knowing 100's of takers, you have never heard of any one you know or vaguely know, dying form this combination. So if one of these alleged associates passed away from an O/D of this combination, then some of the others would contact you? Please, don't think I am one of your ilk and would believe this piece of fiction. I get the impression, from your posts, that you are a one eyed, self opinionated exaggerator who has to overstate everything in an attempt to sustain what he writes. Nothing factual, just a lot of non intellectual and unintelligible fiction.

I am prescribed diazepam for an anxiety disorder which was diagnosed at the age of 12. My own personal experience with this combination is 5 years yes, but I have been around others who have experimented with it for a lot longer. I do not suffer from depression no, but just like every other person in this world there are good days and there are bad days.

Your line of work lead you to all of the horror stories, which is akin to reading all of the negative reviews of a movie or book and ignoring all of the positive reviews, thus you have a long and one sided view on the situation. I have had bad and good times with this combination, crashes, withdrawals, accidents and such, but at least I have the knowledge of both sides, direct knowledge at that.

I do deem myself an expert quite rightly so, if somebody practices a sport for 5 years every day, then they will become pretty damn good at it. So I do have an extensive knowledge and experience with these types of things combined with somewhat of a semi advanced scientific background. Just to let you know I did the math wrong, 500 times I would guess, I had just woken up and managed to double my calculations somehow.

I do not associate with anybody these days really, apart from people who go to my school, the staff there and locals really. I was once out of control and have seen quite a lot of things, but again I have also had some amazing times, there are 2 sides to every coin, Thea

Edited January 30, 2015 by monk213