Bananas and Watermelons dilemma. (dodgy dealings)

[chaiyapoon]

Sugar is what makes many people fat. How many people in the world drink sodas pops etc daily often 2 litres plus.

Need to get back to drinking water the way people did 50 years ago.

A fruit diet is good and I'm sure fresh off the tree is ever better.

[rice555]

I have to know. Are you fat?

i'm SLIM !!!! i am 167cm tall and 56kg. (my BMI is just over 20)

i had so many people tell me that fruit makes you fat coz of the sugars in it.. and to tell the truth, its a complete load of rubbish.

i have a handful of friends that eat TONNES of fruit (alone with regular vegetarian food)... we all roughly eat the correct calories per day... (from 2000 to 3000+ calories per day)... depending on our personal sizes and fitness routines.

I am personally a bit lazy,, I dont work-out often at all... and I am mostly at the computer or at home.

but, myself, and ALL my friends are SLIM.

the ONLY fat people I know are the ones at KFC and eating the foods which i keep away from.

if you ever meet a fat person that says they are supposedly healthy,,, then it means that they are either 'just new on this lifestyle',, or they are LYING. (cheating... eating junk behind closed doors) ... or, they dont realy understand what healthy food is... (some people think that a salad sandwich with a box-orange juice is healthy).. when it is not at all... (the bread bungs up the digestive system and the box-orange juice is from 'concentrate' (sugar and flavorings).

anyway... fruit DOES NOT MAKE YOU FAT.

the junk food that people eat makes them fat.

Hello All, part of your statement is false, boxed drinks are not the same as boxed fruit juice. Even if the

fruit juice is made from concentrate, only water is added to replace what was taken out when the concentrate

was made.

Just like the box of Malee Navel OJ in front of me now says "100% Fruit Juice", yes fresh is better, but

they don't grow Navel Oranges in LOS.

rice555

[easybullet3]

I have to know. Are you fat?

i'm SLIM !!!! i am 167cm tall and 56kg. (my BMI is just over 20)

i had so many people tell me that fruit makes you fat coz of the sugars in it.. and to tell the truth, its a complete load of rubbish.

i have a handful of friends that eat TONNES of fruit (alone with regular vegetarian food)... we all roughly eat the correct calories per day... (from 2000 to 3000+ calories per day)... depending on our personal sizes and fitness routines.

I am personally a bit lazy,, I dont work-out often at all... and I am mostly at the computer or at home.

but, myself, and ALL my friends are SLIM.

the ONLY fat people I know are the ones at KFC and eating the foods which i keep away from.

if you ever meet a fat person that says they are supposedly healthy,,, then it means that they are either 'just new on this lifestyle',, or they are LYING. (cheating... eating junk behind closed doors) ... or, they dont realy understand what healthy food is... (some people think that a salad sandwich with a box-orange juice is healthy).. when it is not at all... (the bread bungs up the digestive system and the box-orange juice is from 'concentrate' (sugar and flavorings).

anyway... fruit DOES NOT MAKE YOU FAT.

the junk food that people eat makes them fat.

Hello All, part of your statement is false, boxed drinks are not the same as boxed fruit juice. Even if the

fruit juice is made from concentrate, only water is added to replace what was taken out when the concentrate

was made.

Just like the box of Malee Navel OJ in front of me now says "100% Fruit Juice", yes fresh is better, but

they don't grow Navel Oranges in LOS.

rice555

@Rice: ok,, i can be more specific.

I agree that box drinks are not the same as boxed fruit juice. BUT I was categorizing them BOTH as being NOT GOOD to drink. (and are BOTH junk, in my eyes)... though MY definition of Junk may be some what more extreme than yours.

im sure you have heard of oxidization. and this turns your box orange juice into a much stronger Acid (than its fresh counterpart). Also: it has lost most of its vitamins (from being Super-heated or irradiated and then large amount of TIME [weeks/months] it has been sitting and waiting on the shelf).

and Concentrate is NOT simply (water replacement). it heats the fruit juice to VERY high temperatures (often killing ALL vitamins in the process).. and Often they add a chemical to help 'condense' the concentrate even further.

also: when companies rehydrate their concentrate, they often add flavour and scent to it (because it rarely tastes the same as fresh fruit once it has been rehydrated).

From online: The concentration process involves both adding in and subtracting chemicals and natural plant by-products in order to condense the juice. During the concentration process, fruits and vegetables lose flavor and this is one of the reasons why companies have to re-add “flavoring” to make the juice taste fresh. Food companies are allowed to say 100% juice on the label even though their juice contains additional additives, flavorings or preservatives. Pasteurization (high heat treatment) kills raw enzymes, minerals and vitamins – the reason that we are drinking the juice in the first place. Heat kills the bad stuff and good stuff.

and:

most orange juice products undergo a surprising amount of processing. Often, "flavor packs" (also known as "flavor packets") are mixed back into the juice after storage to restore flavor (ie: ethyl butyrate), and pulp-dissolving enzymes (such as pectinase) may also be added to maintain a more consistent mix.

and here is a statment from the Florida Government Department of Citrus Fruits:

Juice is extracted by squeezing the oranges. Seeds and particles are strained out. Orange juice is pasteurized to ensure food safety.

During processing, natural components such as orange aroma, orange oil from the peel, and pulp may be separated from the orange juice. After the juice is pasteurized, these natural orange components may be added back to the orange juice.

So, as you can see, (in my eyes), Box Juice is JUNK. and I do not drink it. Though, for you, you may consider it good for you. (but for me, it is NOT good for you). be safe and drink fresh. (box juice causes your body to become more ACIDIC... whereas FRESH fruit will cause your body to become more ALKALINE. and this is a HUGE difference. (as acidic environments in your body provide a good path all the bad sicknesses in life).

[rice555]

Your thread has long lost any attachment to the farming forum and

should be under the health forum, Please ask the mods to move it.

rice555

[easybullet3]

Your thread has long lost any attachment to the farming forum and

should be under the health forum, Please ask the mods to move it.

rice555

@ rice: Your curt reply sounds a bit "sour grapes" for the detailed answer that I gave to you in my previous post.

Edited April 23, 2015 by easybullet3

[lopburi3]

Some 35 yeas ago there were a few reports for watermelon weight increase by adding water resulting in no sales of watermelon so was never a win situation. Have not seen any such report in decades.

For banana the ides is to keep them from ripening too fast - in this heat it does not take long. No way is anyone adding expense to ripen faster - nature takes care of that.

We always keep them in refrigerator to delay softness but even that does not work for long - find the small finger banana much better in that regard and it also lasts well in refrigerator (much better choice for breakfast cereal).

[alfieconn]

One way to preserve bananas as they ripen is to peel them, slice them into chunks, and freeze them in a ziplock bag. They will keep in the freezer for about a month. They can then be used in smoothies! They get the smoothies cold, and emulsify the ingredients. They will tend to darken as they remain in the freezer, but they are still ok to use.

I buy packets of 5 bananas in the supermarket, I pick ones that are already ripe as I can't stand slightly green ones.

I take them out of the plastic bag they are sold in and put them in the fridge.

Even after a week or more they are still good, although the skin will go brown, the banana inside stays fine.

when it comes to EATING bananas,, i'm an expert I eat about 15 or more bananas almost every day!!

- if you store them in a WARM room, then they ripen even faster... the cooler areas of your home (if any) allow them to ripen slower.

I usually keep them out of the fridge, (because I eat them quickly)... but if they are starting to over-ripen, I stick them in the fridge and i get an extra day or two out of them. (dont worry about the black skin).

if they got too mushy,, they are fine for smoothies (if you can hack the idea of mush).

but dont eat or use bananas that smell fermented.

the freezer trick really does work... you MUST peel them (to prevent the skin sticking to the banana).. I never cut them into pieces. I just leave them whole... they are great for Mushing with a fork and you get 'instant banana ice-cream' (which tastes AMAZING).... (but, if you want them to defrost faster, then Yes, cut the bananas into smaller pieces) ..

i only know about TEMPERATURE as a way to quicken or slow the ripening process. I have been through umpteen websites and thats all i know.

Here is a photo of the amount of Bananas I usually have in my home

(i store them in my 2nd Bathroom as its cooler in there).

I will consume all these bananas within 4 or 5 days (Maximum).

I make Banana-shakes with about 7 to 10 Bananas in them.. (with 400 to 500ml of water,, and no ice and no sugar).

I have 2 of these a day usually..

Bath Bananas.JPG

Everything in moderation, eating that many probably puts you over the 4,700mg daily requirement for potassium, but don't worry, dying from Potassium poisoning is highly unlikely !

Edited April 25, 2015 by alfieconn

[Sheryl]

Some 35 yeas ago there were a few reports for watermelon weight increase by adding water resulting in no sales of watermelon so was never a win situation. Have not seen any such report in decades.

For banana the ides is to keep them from ripening too fast - in this heat it does not take long. No way is anyone adding expense to ripen faster - nature takes care of that.

We always keep them in refrigerator to delay softness but even that does not work for long - find the small finger banana much better in that regard and it also lasts well in refrigerator (much better choice for breakfast cereal).

+1

[puuchaibaa]

Never imagined anyone eating that many bananas. With all that potassium it must be great for exercise. I'll have to increase my intake.

To keep bananas longer I keep them in the cupboard away from light. But this only extends their freshness a day or two. I will definitely try the method of wrapping the stems in plastic. I also notice that the small "guei kai" and finger types last a little longer than others.

[Jingthing]

I recently saw one of those fine BBC health documentaries and they were talking about bananas. Basically it was saying one a day is enough and more than that you are getting into potassium overdose risk. Certainly 10 a day every day is pure monkey madness. People often assume if something is good and needed (potassium) then much more of it must be even better. Wrong.

Edited April 25, 2015 by Jingthing

[slipperylobster]

We used to inject them with wine...and serve them up at parties. (watermelon).

Vodka and Tequila good too (margaritta watermelon with lime)

Edited April 25, 2015 by slipperylobster

[Kitsune]

Why don't you buy organic?

I would not eat any fruit or veg here if not organic.

[attrayant]

Both of these are just silly. No produce supplier or retailer would risk breaking the rind of fruit as that would allow oxygen & microbes to get in and you'd have a bruise pretty quickly. And who would want unsold produce to ripen faster (thus reducing shelf life)? The grocer ends up with a cart full of aging, black bananas.

[Kitsune]

I recently saw one of those fine BBC health documentaries and they were talking about bananas. Basically it was saying one a day is enough and more than that you are getting into potassium overdose risk. Certainly 10 a day every day is pure monkey madness. People often assume if something is good and needed (potassium) then much more of it must be even better. Wrong.

Yeah man, many people die of potassium overdose, it's the plague of the century

[easybullet3]

I recently saw one of those fine BBC health documentaries and they were talking about bananas. Basically it was saying one a day is enough and more than that you are getting into potassium overdose risk. Certainly 10 a day every day is pure monkey madness. People often assume if something is good and needed (potassium) then much more of it must be even better. Wrong.

just because it was on a BBC documentary, it doesn't mean it is true!.

i can definitely tell you that eating 1 banana a day is not really much of a game-changer (if someone is trying to be healthy).

cutting out the junk (which is hampering/blocking/crippling the himan body system) is the best thing that anyone can do in the direction of health.

replacing the junk with healthy options is the next step.

(PS: healthy option is NOT a token salad with mayonaise or cream sauce! and neither is is a pasta with vegetables and cheese, and nor is it the Box-Orange or Box Apple juice).

healthy options are fruits and vegetables as close as possible to their original form as possible.

eating several or 10 or 20 bananas a day is certainly not a risk of potassium overdose.

if the BBC documentary bothered to do their research, they would have noted that the body processes the potassium rather quickly and one would have to eat around 300 to 400 bananas within an hour to get a potassium overdose !!!

10 or 20 or 30 or even a 100 bananas during an entire day is still nowhere near any potassium overdose.

myself and all my non-junk-veggie friends (who actually do eat lots of fruit)..will rarely get sick... i have not had flu or a cough or chesty cold or cold-related-runny-nose or gastritis or digestive issue or any pain in my body due to sickness in more than 5 years already!!!

my son is the same. he is 14, and the last time he got a cold was about 5 years ago.

compare me (43 years old) and my son 14 years old with our non-fruit equivalents, and i am sure they gonna tell you about "how many times PER YEAR they get sick".

granted, veggie-fruit eaters are in a tiny majority of the population, but its obvious to anyone that does the high fruit and veggie ways of life that sickness is not an issue any more.

you said: "People often assume if something is good and needed (potassium) then much more of it must be even better. Wrong"

I can easily reply: So what about Hugs ? Love? smiles? healthy food?

I agree that too much of bad food will lead to bad news.

but too many bananas or oranges or carrots will not lead to any ill-effect.

ok,, carrots may turn you orange, but "chris beat cancer" got over stage 3 or 3 cancer from mostly carrots.. and he went orange, and cured his own cancer.. (google his Good Morning TV appearence).

But, the fake (Synthetic) Vitamin A (Retinol) can kill you if you take too much of it.

thats coz synthetic nutrients are NOT the same as their natural equivalent.

hence iron pills being awful .. compared with eating greens for iron etc. (synthetic iron and also the iron you get from eating animal flesh builds up in your blood and damages your heart and other organs, coz your body has a hard time to get rid of animal iron). but plant iron will never do this.

there are tonnes of signs that we are designed to eat fruit and vegetables...

but almost every time we eat meat or animal protein or milk, then we get sick!

unfortunately, (like smoking), it takes 3 to 5 decades before the slow process shows its face. (starting with digestive issues,, and ending in cancer). its a long road,,, and most people dont realize the food connection.

back to bananas: they are good for you and you cant overdose from them.

Edited April 10, 2016 by easybullet3

[easybullet3]

Both of these are just silly. No produce supplier or retailer would risk breaking the rind of fruit as that would allow oxygen & microbes to get in and you'd have a bruise pretty quickly. And who would want unsold produce to ripen faster (thus reducing shelf life)? The grocer ends up with a cart full of aging, black bananas.

the banana thing is FACT.

a regular banana will take around 1 to 2 weeks to ripen.

but,, if dipped in a ripening solution, then it will ripen within 5 days.

supermarkets have a higher turn-over of produce than you imagine.

they DONT want green bananas on their shelf for 1 or 2 weeks.

they are delivered usually twice per week. (or more).

in the fruit night-market (where I buy fruit), if I arrive early (about 10pm), they have PILES of fruit.

but, if I arrive at around 5am, the piles of fruit have gone and low stock.

these market sellers often have buckets of Nam-Yaa (Chemical Water) to dip the fruits in to make them ripen faster as the 1 or 2 weeks wait is too long for most people).

farms dont do it.

its the distributer or market seller that does it.

(that is in regards to banana ripening).

but as for watermelons, i am trying to find out more info.

i want to find out more, coz there is way too many stories of farmers injecting with water+sugar+red dye.

if anyone knows more,, please tel

[attrayant]

the banana thing is FACT.

No, it's NOT.

[easybullet3]

the banana thing is FACT.

No, it's NOT.

are you saying that market vendors or distributors do not dip bananas into a "Medicine water" (Nam Yaa) which quickens the ripening process ?

i have seen this with my own eyes almost every time I visit teh market.

unless, of course you are disputing a different aspect of what I said about Bananas ?

please expand what you are talking about.

[attrayant]

Your post raised my hackles because it has many of the hallmarks of fear-based chemiphobia campaigns. Use emotive language ("medicine water") to scare people. Claim that fruits and veggies are "full of chemicals" without providing anything to back up your claims. Say "I've seen it myself", as if that counts for anything. Just like your post #45, which is full of generalizations and unhelpful statements like "we are designed to eat fruit and vegetables" - really? Designed by whom?

Also, what exactly is your problem with ethephon/ethylene? They are natural plant hormones and metabolites. Just about everyone knows that you can get a piece of unripe fruit to ripen faster by putting it in a paper bag with a ripe banana. The natural ethylene released by the banana causes the unripe fruit near it to become ripe, sometimes within a single day. Ethylene has been used commercially to ripen fruit since the middle of the last century, so if you consider this to be "unnatural", then you've probably never eaten a "natural banana" in your life unless you picked it off the tree yourself.

i have seen this with my own eyes almost every time I visit teh market.

Can you tell me which market this is? I live Talaad Thai, which is (according to their web site) the largest wholesale food market in SEA and have never seen anything like that there. Granted, things could be going on behind the scenes but the trucks seem to roll in and drop their loads right onto the sales floor without further processing. Any artificial ripening would only add additional labor and materials cost to their product, which makes me skeptical that the stingy vendors would go to such lengths.

[bodunchar]

For sure this will be done in places like BKK. Its all about those margins! Fruit that is preserved for longer increases margins! Inudstrial waste chemicals are very cheap to spray on bananas.

In the "developed" world we store fruit in oxygen free environments then promote it as fresh fruit. You can tell because it does not ripen properly or "speed-ripens-to-instantly-over-ripe".

As an entertaining distraction only: I once saw a deep fried chicken seller fry the plastic bag the chicken came in. MMmmmm tasty.

Why on earth you would want to live in BKK I dare not think.

*steps off high-horse.

[bodunchar]

"we are designed to eat fruit and vegetables" - really? Designed by whom?

By that thing that science has yet to identify because it cannot yet be counted. It was called evolution at one point, but that didnt really nail it and was not completely scientific. Just eat meat all day, then fruit and veg for a few days and describe how you feel and how you poop.

We dont know what the long term effects of ingesting all the chemicals are because no studies have been conducted. Also any studies conducted by the producers of the chemicals would be of dubious value. Any independantly conducted studies would also be hijacked by industry.

Numerous diseases, for example immune disorders are on the rise and one of the strongest links to these diseases are chemicals which we thought were once fine to expose our bodies to. Hey smoking was even good for us once.

In some cultures people mistake chemicals for food.

Science as anytool can be used for good or ill depending on the intentions of the creator.

Edited April 13, 2016 by bodunchar

[attrayant]

A lot of words but not much information.

By that thing that science has yet to identify because it cannot yet be counted.

You then (attempt to) describe and quantify it. Nice U-turn.

It was called evolution at one point, but that didnt really nail it and was not completely scientific.

At one point? It's still called that, and it is completely scientific. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong or unscientific.

Just eat meat all day, then fruit and veg for a few days and describe how you feel and how you poop.

Why should I do this? How is it related to the topic at hand? Who in this thread is advocating "eating meat all day"?

We dont know what the long term effects of ingesting all the chemicals are because no studies have been conducted.

Are you advocating for studies whereby people ingest chemicals all day? That's even sillier than your earlier suggestion of eating meat all day. In any event, it sounds like you're unaware that food additives must be tested and studied before they are be used on food.

[attrayant]

[continued]

Also any studies conducted by the producers of the chemicals would be of dubious value. Any independantly conducted studies would also be hijacked by industry.

In the previous sentence you complain that studies haven't been done, and now you question the worth of studies that could answer your concerns. I guess we better just stop the word right now and get off.

Numerous diseases, for example immune disorders are on the rise and one of the strongest links to these diseases are chemicals which we thought were once fine to expose our bodies to. Hey smoking was even good for us once.

That's incorrect. And smoking was never good for us. Where did you get that idea?

In some cultures people mistake chemicals for food.

On some Internet forums, people don't understand that everything is made from chemicals. Water is a chemical. Your sentence is so vague as to be meaningless.

Science as any tool can be used for good or ill depending on the intentions of the creator.

Your whole post has defeatist & religious overtones to it. The creator of what??