Leaving Thailand for good

[Gecko123]

I just dont get why there is a hardcore group of Americans on this board, apparently living in the US for the vast majority of the year, whose sole purpose seems to be to tell us how much better off they are in the US ? Not a single mention of tornadoes, floods or blizzards - its just all bliss out there on the endless prairie. Fine - enjoy it - but why are you even members of this board ? Is there a 'Born in the USA' board somewhere where you can share this love for your homeland ?

Hot summers followed by 'cold and snowy' Winters just aren't my idea of a good time - with the exception of the snow, that sounds a lot like Melbourne and you can keep that. If I had the money, Maui would probably be my choice but from memory Hawaii is a very expensive place to live. There's also the occasional hurricane to contend with

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Salt_Lake_City

MrWorldwide!!!

And even more galling and bewildering is that these state side civic boosters always seem to hail from some of the absolute suckiest and backwater inland regions imaginable, i.e., Salt Lake City, Spokane, Boise, Tucson, etc.

[Jessi]

Save me reading all the post....Has the OP left yet?

[Mr Somtam]

I would love to pay a million euros in tax, means I made about 2 million!

[piersbeckett]

I am here 2 years now and I have decided I will not renew my retirement visa next year.

I miss:

beautiful national parks in the US

beautiful coastlines that are not full of litter

forests that actually have abundant wildlife

fresh seafood in the Pacific Northwest

sea kayaking in the PNW being able to buy a real sea kayak, custom fitted to me

the best tasting beer in the world

the best mountain biking in the world and being able to buy a mountain bike in my size

being able to own land and a home in my name

having an intelligent conversation

being about to go listen to live music, going to a concert of someone famous

being able to call 911 and having a well trained paramedic arrive

reliable postal delivery of something important and expensive

I have great health care from my government pension so that is not an issue.

I understand the people that will stay here until the end are many are from UK.

There are some very beautiful places in the US/Canada.

I will take back my thai cooking skills and my defensive motorcycling skills are much better.

nothing here in LOS blew me away... it is not at all paradise to me. I enjoyed the chaos to some extent and loved going to the food markets. I enjoyed motorcycling some of the mountains up north and visiting the hill tribe people and the small villages along the off beaten roads. Cool people there.

BUT, I am cheating myself out a great retirement life living here. I also think it is unsafe and unhealthy living here.

I have many great memories and wonderful adventures awaiting me in the states and I can afford a good life there. This was a stop off to sort out my life after turning 50, retiring and getting a divorce... it has played out for me, time to go enjoy life and have fun.

I will most likely go to Bali for 2 months during the winter if I return to SEA, but more than likely my trips will be South America or Eastern Europe.

You missed the fun and your too young to get much out of it now - I think you're making the right decision - good luck

[HeijoshinCool]

I just dont get why there is a hardcore group of Americans on this board, apparently living in the US for the vast majority of the year, whose sole purpose seems to be to tell us how much better off they are in the US ? Not a single mention of tornadoes, floods or blizzards - its just all bliss out there on the endless prairie. Fine - enjoy it - but why are you even members of this board ? Is there a 'Born in the USA' board somewhere where you can share this love for your homeland ?

Hot summers followed by 'cold and snowy' Winters just aren't my idea of a good time - with the exception of the snow, that sounds a lot like Melbourne and you can keep that. If I had the money, Maui would probably be my choice but from memory Hawaii is a very expensive place to live. There's also the occasional hurricane to contend with

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Salt_Lake_City

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Takes a pretty big ego, a lot of self-centeredness, to erroneously conclude that our comments are meant just for you, or you at all.

Personally, I welcome all points of view in a discussion, and particularly a debate, whether from someone in LOS or elsewhere, as long as the opinions are reasonably well informed, articulate, and politely presented.

P.S. Tornados, floods, and blizzards.

Well informed, articulate and politely presented arguments ? Thaivisa ? My friend, you seem to have wandered right off the reservation. I cordially invite you to tune into any of neversure's rants on gun control the next time the subject raises its ugly head - I'll leave it there. Carry on.

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I was speaking in general, stating I enjoy opposing arguments being posted, ones I do not agree with, as long as they are from someone who is well informed, articulate, and polite.

That includes your posts, when you're not insulting someone.

[piersbeckett]

I just dont get why there is a hardcore group of Americans on this board, apparently living in the US for the vast majority of the year, whose sole purpose seems to be to tell us how much better off they are in the US ? Not a single mention of tornadoes, floods or blizzards - its just all bliss out there on the endless prairie. Fine - enjoy it - but why are you even members of this board ? Is there a 'Born in the USA' board somewhere where you can share this love for your homeland ?

Hot summers followed by 'cold and snowy' Winters just aren't my idea of a good time - with the exception of the snow, that sounds a lot like Melbourne and you can keep that. If I had the money, Maui would probably be my choice but from memory Hawaii is a very expensive place to live. There's also the occasional hurricane to contend with

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Salt_Lake_City

MrWorldwide!!!

And even more galling and bewildering is that these state side civic boosters always seem to hail from some of the absolute suckiest and backwater inland regions imaginable, i.e., Salt Lake City, Spokane, Boise, Tucson, etc.

Leaving Thailand to go back to North America for good - that was the topic wasn't it? We all know that it's really great there and that nowhere else really exists so not surprising that most wish to return - they always have seemed kind of 'out of place' here to me - will they be sorely missed? - I think not.

[Berkshire]

I just dont get why there is a hardcore group of Americans on this board, apparently living in the US for the vast majority of the year, whose sole purpose seems to be to tell us how much better off they are in the US ? Not a single mention of tornadoes, floods or blizzards - its just all bliss out there on the endless prairie. Fine - enjoy it - but why are you even members of this board ? Is there a 'Born in the USA' board somewhere where you can share this love for your homeland ?

Hot summers followed by 'cold and snowy' Winters just aren't my idea of a good time - with the exception of the snow, that sounds a lot like Melbourne and you can keep that. If I had the money, Maui would probably be my choice but from memory Hawaii is a very expensive place to live. There's also the occasional hurricane to contend with

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Salt_Lake_City

MrWorldwide!!!

And even more galling and bewildering is that these state side civic boosters always seem to hail from some of the absolute suckiest and backwater inland regions imaginable, i.e., Salt Lake City, Spokane, Boise, Tucson, etc.

Agree. I even recall someone talking about the appeal of central Pennsylvania. Freakin central Pennsylvania! You couldn't pay me enough to live anywhere in that state. And then they go on about what they do in these dreary places, not realizing that most of the rest of us would be bored to tears living that life. Yes, different courses for different horses and all that. I wouldn't have a problem with these folks living the life that they choose. But why they need to constantly bash on Thailand and those of us who love it here is most puzzling.

[SpokaneAl]

Anyone see yourself here till the end?

For those who forgot or tuned in late, here is the original post.

Many of us rendered our opinions on the subject, and as usual here, it often got a bit biting and off target. Such is life. We talk about what we know, based on our own experiences and personal likes and dislikes. And those thoughts generate opposing views.

Of course there are places in this world that residents absolutely think are perfect and wonderful and much of the rest of the world looks on in total disbelief.

Thailand is one of those places.

[Gecko123]

It's no wonder these guys hated Thailand so much. It was way, way, way outside of their comfort zones.

Predominantly white, heavily Republican, religiously Christian fundamentalist and Mormon, right wing, home base for many white supremacist groups, culturally monochromatic with minuscule Asian, let alone Thai populations. Does that not fairly describe much of Utah, Idaho, eastern Washington and Montana? Thailand must of seemed like Mars to someone coming from this environment.

But what about the Thai wives, people? What must it be like being a Thai woman living with a full-time Thai-basher? We at TVF can just put these [deleted] on "ignore", but I fear that their spouses don't have this luxury. It's these poor Thai women who unwittingly got lured into taking a one-way trip to North America's cultural hinterland and who are now trapped in a snow-bound Ted Kaczynski-style cabin, forced to listen to their unshaven rheumy-eyed, hung over hubbies remind them on an hourly basis how much their birthplace Thailand sucks who I feel sorry for. Almost makes me want to start up a repatriation fund, or phone the Dept of Health and Human Services.

Personally, I'm glad these guys went home. Thailand doesn't need their negativity. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that one day soon they'll realize that TVF doesn't need this negativity either.

[SpokaneAl]

It's no wonder these guys hated Thailand so much. It was way, way, way outside of their comfort zones.

Predominantly white, heavily Republican, religiously Christian fundamentalist and Mormon, right wing, home base for many white supremacist groups, culturally monochromatic with minuscule Asian, let alone Thai populations. Does that not fairly describe much of Utah, Idaho, eastern Washington and Montana? Thailand must of seemed like Mars to someone coming from this environment.

But what about the Thai wives, people? What must it be like being a Thai woman living with a full-time Thai-basher? We at TVF can just put these [deleted] on "ignore", but I fear that their spouses don't have this luxury. It's these poor Thai women who unwittingly got lured into taking a one-way trip to North America's cultural hinterland and who are now trapped in a snow-bound Ted Kaczynski-style cabin, forced to listen to their unshaven rheumy-eyed, hung over hubbies remind them on an hourly basis how much their birthplace Thailand sucks who I feel sorry for. Almost makes me want to start up a repatriation fund, or phone the Dept of Health and Human Services.

Personally, I'm glad these guys went home. Thailand doesn't need their negativity. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that one day soon they'll realize that TVF doesn't need this negativity either.

And then, of course, there are those who are absolutely certain that they have the rest of us figured out.

It must be challenging to always be the smartest guy in the room.

[fey]

I just dont get why there is a hardcore group of Americans on this board, apparently living in the US for the vast majority of the year, whose sole purpose seems to be to tell us how much better off they are in the US ? Not a single mention of tornadoes, floods or blizzards - its just all bliss out there on the endless prairie. Fine - enjoy it - but why are you even members of this board ? Is there a 'Born in the USA' board somewhere where you can share this love for your homeland ?

Hot summers followed by 'cold and snowy' Winters just aren't my idea of a good time - with the exception of the snow, that sounds a lot like Melbourne and you can keep that. If I had the money, Maui would probably be my choice but from memory Hawaii is a very expensive place to live. There's also the occasional hurricane to contend with

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Salt_Lake_City

I lived in Thailand for a few years and been back to the US for about a year now and can't wait to get back to Thailand!!!

The US is great for many things especially if you are old and need Medicare but dang it is BORING AS HELL!!!!

I have lived in many parts of the US and Thailand is great especially if single! Yes, I have yellow fever!

That is why I said before the guys who seem happy back in the US are married and thats great but no better place than Thailand if single!

dating in the usa as you get a bit older is hell. if your over 40 and not obviously wealthy or successful way above average your better off relocating if your looking for partners.

in my circle just getting laid every two months or so was cause for celebration.

[EyesWideOpen]

After 14 years here, I will be headed back to the states for good in about two months.

Principally for the sake of my four year old daughter. It feels bizarre to be paying

for private school here that is not nearly as good as a free American public school ( that is not

in the hood of course...). I do not exactly feel burned out, but I have done just about

everything here except build a house for a bar girl in Isan. So is is a bit like going to a really

fine restaurant and enjoying the meal, but if you went to the same place every night you would

soon be sick of it. So for me, time to change the record......

For a single middle aged man, this is a great place to get over the wife that divorced

you in farang land and took a bunch of your money. But with a Thai wife and child,

time to move on.

[Berkshire]

After 14 years here, I will be headed back to the states for good in about two months.

Principally for the sake of my four year old daughter. It feels bizarre to be paying

for private school here that is not nearly as good as a free American public school ( that is not

in the hood of course...). I do not exactly feel burned out, but I have done just about

everything here except build a house for a bar girl in Isan. So is is a bit like going to a really

fine restaurant and enjoying the meal, but if you went to the same place every night you would

soon be sick of it. So for me, time to change the record......

For a single middle aged man, this is a great place to get over the wife that divorced

you in farang land and took a bunch of your money. But with a Thai wife and child,

time to move on.

Ok, so you came to Thailand to find a wife. That's it, and that's all. Mission accomplished. But do understand that some of us didn't come here just for that. Good luck back home and hopefully you can show a bit of class and not leave here bashing the home country of your daughter's mother.

[EyesWideOpen]

After 14 years here, I will be headed back to the states for good in about two months.

Principally for the sake of my four year old daughter. It feels bizarre to be paying

for private school here that is not nearly as good as a free American public school ( that is not

in the hood of course...). I do not exactly feel burned out, but I have done just about

everything here except build a house for a bar girl in Isan. So is is a bit like going to a really

fine restaurant and enjoying the meal, but if you went to the same place every night you would

soon be sick of it. So for me, time to change the record......

For a single middle aged man, this is a great place to get over the wife that divorced

you in farang land and took a bunch of your money. But with a Thai wife and child,

time to move on.

Ok, so you came to Thailand to find a wife. That's it, and that's all. Mission accomplished. But do understand that some of us didn't come here just for that. Good luck back home and hopefully you can show a bit of class and not leave here bashing the home country of your daughter's mother.

Odd conclusion......I personally have never been married, and I came here to have the time of my life as a single man. Which I did. Now am married , so now time to move on to family life in America. A radical change for sure, but am sure I will be able to adapt.

Bashing ?? Well I never did the living upcountry in Nakorn Nowhere thing, so am still able to poke a bit of fun at events in Thailand. The upcountry guys are way too serious......I take it all in stride, but am still able to see the humor of the news today such as the Thai policeman, tasked with stopping crime, instead is caught with 1.5 million yaba pills.....

Thailand just is what it is, fairly pointless to pass value judgements on it. Some great things here, and some insane things here . Pick and choose, keep your wits about you, and you can enjoy life here . But if you are not careful, things can go really wrong here. The endless farangs who become jumpers here are always a reminder of how badly things can go wrong. I always kept that in mind..

14 years ago, on my second day in Thailand, I met a Welshman who had been here 7 years.

Sitting at an outside bar in Lamai , Samui, he leans over and says he wants to help me after I said it was my second day in Thailand. I said sure. He said never ever believe one word a Thai girl tells you, and you will have a great time in Thailand. He was exactly right. :-)

[MJP]

I am here 2 years now and I have decided I will not renew my retirement visa next year.

I miss:

beautiful national parks in the US

beautiful coastlines that are not full of litter

forests that actually have abundant wildlife

fresh seafood in the Pacific Northwest

sea kayaking in the PNW being able to buy a real sea kayak, custom fitted to me

the best tasting beer in the world

the best mountain biking in the world and being able to buy a mountain bike in my size

being able to own land and a home in my name

having an intelligent conversation

being about to go listen to live music, going to a concert of someone famous

being able to call 911 and having a well trained paramedic arrive

reliable postal delivery of something important and expensive

I have great health care from my government pension so that is not an issue.

I understand the people that will stay here until the end are many are from UK.

There are some very beautiful places in the US/Canada.

I will take back my thai cooking skills and my defensive motorcycling skills are much better.

nothing here in LOS blew me away... it is not at all paradise to me. I enjoyed the chaos to some extent and loved going to the food markets. I enjoyed motorcycling some of the mountains up north and visiting the hill tribe people and the small villages along the off beaten roads. Cool people there.

BUT, I am cheating myself out a great retirement life living here. I also think it is unsafe and unhealthy living here.

I have many great memories and wonderful adventures awaiting me in the states and I can afford a good life there. This was a stop off to sort out my life after turning 50, retiring and getting a divorce... it has played out for me, time to go enjoy life and have fun.

I will most likely go to Bali for 2 months during the winter if I return to SEA, but more than likely my trips will be South America or Eastern Europe.

I understand the people that will stay here until the end are many are from UK.

That's a cracker! So true.

I completely agree with you. I think unless you have commitments in Thailand (or anywhere else) and are lucky enough to have sufficient wealth and health you should travel and see many other places whilst maintaining a secure base in your own country. Thailand isn't a deeply unpleasant place, but if I had the choice (i.e., no commitments) then I'd be permanently settled in south west England for good, right there on the north Devon coast.

I don't see Thailand as a long term option over time, mostly down to health issues but I too can get rather bored there and it can be a frustrating place.

Who needs the aggravation?

[Berkshire]

He said never ever believe one word a Thai girl tells you, and you will have a great time in Thailand. He was exactly right. :-)

Really? Yet you married a Thai girl. Interesting.

[EyesWideOpen]

He said never ever believe one word a Thai girl tells you, and you will have a great time in Thailand. He was exactly right. :-)

Really? Yet you married a Thai girl. Interesting.

She is different......... :-) The reference was really to the life I was living at the time,

sort of a take it to the limit bar life. I heard every story in the book from the girls, I just smiled but

never reached for my wallet. Now my life is much more normal, with a focus on my

child, rather than on where is the next red hot gogo girl..... Life changes, and now so will

my environment. Who knows, I may be back in two years if I start missing mangoes

too much.

[thaibeachlovers]

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Not for me either. But it's a great place to hang out for the next three years, have a great time fishing, camping, and sightseeing, while making ridiculous money, then go spend it somewhere a bit more exotic.

How many times you have now pointed out in this thread that you can make good money while back in the US?

So the real reason that you don't like Thailand seems to be that you couldn't afford it because you ran short of money.

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Why does it get your goat? Contrary to what many are claiming on this thread, people with skills, or just plain determination, can still make excellent money in the USA.

I never said I didn't like Thailand. In fact, I said I liked many things about it. But living there became boring and overpriced for what I got out of it. That, among a number of other things, is why I left.

Ran short of money? No, that's why so many expats stay in Thailand, eating noodle soup everyday and renting $150/month hotel rooms. They can't afford to live in their homeland. In fact, my vested pension is sufficient to maintain myself in Thailand. Which is why I, like many others before me, had the choice to live elsewhere, and exercised it.

You are working hard to perpetuate the myth that Thailand is a great paradise, and in doing so do a disservice to many who don't know better, and are planning, at great expense, to move there.

Try having a debate without the personal attacks.

in doing so do a disservice to many who don't know better, and are planning, at great expense, to move there.

There is a word that describes someone that would move to another country based only on what he read on a forum like TV, and it's not complimentary.

[thaibeachlovers]

I am here 2 years now and I have decided I will not renew my retirement visa next year.

I miss:

beautiful national parks in the US

beautiful coastlines that are not full of litter

forests that actually have abundant wildlife

fresh seafood in the Pacific Northwest

sea kayaking in the PNW being able to buy a real sea kayak, custom fitted to me

the best tasting beer in the world

the best mountain biking in the world and being able to buy a mountain bike in my size

being able to own land and a home in my name

having an intelligent conversation

being about to go listen to live music, going to a concert of someone famous

being able to call 911 and having a well trained paramedic arrive

reliable postal delivery of something important and expensive

I have great health care from my government pension so that is not an issue.

I understand the people that will stay here until the end are many are from UK.

There are some very beautiful places in the US/Canada.

I will take back my thai cooking skills and my defensive motorcycling skills are much better.

nothing here in LOS blew me away... it is not at all paradise to me. I enjoyed the chaos to some extent and loved going to the food markets. I enjoyed motorcycling some of the mountains up north and visiting the hill tribe people and the small villages along the off beaten roads. Cool people there.

BUT, I am cheating myself out a great retirement life living here. I also think it is unsafe and unhealthy living here.

I have many great memories and wonderful adventures awaiting me in the states and I can afford a good life there. This was a stop off to sort out my life after turning 50, retiring and getting a divorce... it has played out for me, time to go enjoy life and have fun.

I will most likely go to Bali for 2 months during the winter if I return to SEA, but more than likely my trips will be South America or Eastern Europe.

I find it hard to understand why you even moved here, and especially why you stayed 2 years.

I do not miss much about my homeland, and would be happy to live here till I die.

Whenever I go "home" it always seems an alien place- not the country I grew up in at all.

Even the friends I still have there are so widely dispersed now, that I would rarely, if ever see them any more even if going back to live.

Not safe there either- gangs and bad people are endemic ( I am more concerned for my safety back home than in LOS ) and the traffic is crazy. Almost got killed on the roads twice within half an hour.

[fey]

I am here 2 years now and I have decided I will not renew my retirement visa next year.

I miss:

beautiful national parks in the US

beautiful coastlines that are not full of litter

forests that actually have abundant wildlife

fresh seafood in the Pacific Northwest

sea kayaking in the PNW being able to buy a real sea kayak, custom fitted to me

the best tasting beer in the world

the best mountain biking in the world and being able to buy a mountain bike in my size

being able to own land and a home in my name

having an intelligent conversation

being about to go listen to live music, going to a concert of someone famous

being able to call 911 and having a well trained paramedic arrive

reliable postal delivery of something important and expensive

I have great health care from my government pension so that is not an issue.

I understand the people that will stay here until the end are many are from UK.

There are some very beautiful places in the US/Canada.

I will take back my thai cooking skills and my defensive motorcycling skills are much better.

nothing here in LOS blew me away... it is not at all paradise to me. I enjoyed the chaos to some extent and loved going to the food markets. I enjoyed motorcycling some of the mountains up north and visiting the hill tribe people and the small villages along the off beaten roads. Cool people there.

BUT, I am cheating myself out a great retirement life living here. I also think it is unsafe and unhealthy living here.

I have many great memories and wonderful adventures awaiting me in the states and I can afford a good life there. This was a stop off to sort out my life after turning 50, retiring and getting a divorce... it has played out for me, time to go enjoy life and have fun.

I will most likely go to Bali for 2 months during the winter if I return to SEA, but more than likely my trips will be South America or Eastern Europe.

I find it hard to understand why you even moved here, and especially why you stayed 2 years.

I do not miss much about my homeland, and would be happy to live here till I die.

Whenever I go "home" it always seems an alien place- not the country I grew up in at all.

Even the friends I still have there are so widely dispersed now, that I would rarely, if ever see them any more even if going back to live.

Not safe there either- gangs and bad people are endemic ( I am more concerned for my safety back home than in LOS ) and the traffic is crazy. Almost got killed on the roads twice within half an hour.

dont forget to cone back and keep posting when you leave. that way we can all read about how great it is there. bye.

[Berkshire]

He said never ever believe one word a Thai girl tells you, and you will have a great time in Thailand. He was exactly right. :-)

Really? Yet you married a Thai girl. Interesting.

She is different......... :-) The reference was really to the life I was living at the time,

sort of a take it to the limit bar life. I heard every story in the book from the girls, I just smiled but

never reached for my wallet. Now my life is much more normal, with a focus on my

child, rather than on where is the next red hot gogo girl..... Life changes, and now so will

my environment. Who knows, I may be back in two years if I start missing mangoes

too much.

Fair enough. It's good that you can recognize early on that girls "in the business" do say things that customers want to hear. Can't blame them, as they meet so many gullible farangs.

[JLCrab]

He said never ever believe one word a Thai girl tells you, and you will have a great time in Thailand. He was exactly right. :-)

Really? Yet you married a Thai girl. Interesting.

She is different......... :-) The reference was really to the life I was living at the time,

sort of a take it to the limit bar life. I heard every story in the book from the girls, I just smiled but

never reached for my wallet. Now my life is much more normal, with a focus on my

child, rather than on where is the next red hot gogo girl..... Life changes, and now so will

my environment. Who knows, I may be back in two years if I start missing mangoes

too much.

Fair enough. It's good that you can recognize early on that girls "in the business" do say things that customers want to hear. Can't blame them, as they meet so many gullible farangs.

... which is why I made the decision early on -- even when in China -- to never get involved with a girl who speaks English

[Tokay]

Cheaper isn't always better. In fact, it usually isn't.

Yes, in most places you will pay more to live if it is a first world nation, but you will probably get what you pay for there, where in Thailand, it is the opposite. Some things are cheaper here, but to have western comforts, it's generally more expensive these days, and pretty much everything you buy is overpriced and of low quality, including the home or condo you live in.

Lets see where all of us stand after the big event and the place goes belly up. Love Thailand or hate it, there is no denying its future looks very, very grim. It isn't going to end well no matter how rose tinted your glasses are at the moment.

[SoiBiker]

[Tokay]

It's no wonder these guys hated Thailand so much. It was way, way, way outside of their comfort zones.

Predominantly white, heavily Republican, religiously Christian fundamentalist and Mormon, right wing, home base for many white supremacist groups, culturally monochromatic with minuscule Asian, let alone Thai populations. Does that not fairly describe much of Utah, Idaho, eastern Washington and Montana? Thailand must of seemed like Mars to someone coming from this environment.

But what about the Thai wives, people? What must it be like being a Thai woman living with a full-time Thai-basher? We at TVF can just put these [deleted] on "ignore", but I fear that their spouses don't have this luxury. It's these poor Thai women who unwittingly got lured into taking a one-way trip to North America's cultural hinterland and who are now trapped in a snow-bound Ted Kaczynski-style cabin, forced to listen to their unshaven rheumy-eyed, hung over hubbies remind them on an hourly basis how much their birthplace Thailand sucks who I feel sorry for. Almost makes me want to start up a repatriation fund, or phone the Dept of Health and Human Services.

Personally, I'm glad these guys went home. Thailand doesn't need their negativity. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that one day soon they'll realize that TVF doesn't need this negativity either.

And those guys give two squirts about what you think.

Everyone has their own life to live. To each his own where he chooses to do so and for the reasons he/she sees fit.

Your dislike for negativity is ironic as you are in fact making a negative post.

[Gecko123]

Cheaper isn't always better. In fact, it usually isn't.

Yes, in most places you will pay more to live if it is a first world nation, but you will probably get what you pay for there, where in Thailand, it is the opposite. Some things are cheaper here, but to have western comforts, it's generally more expensive these days, and pretty much everything you buy is overpriced and of low quality, including the home or condo you live in.

Lets see where all of us stand after the big event and the place goes belly up. Love Thailand or hate it, there is no denying its future looks very, very grim. It isn't going to end well no matter how rose tinted your glasses are at the moment.

What is this "big event" of which you speak, Nostradamus?

[SoiBiker]

It's no wonder these guys hated Thailand so much. It was way, way, way outside of their comfort zones.

Predominantly white, heavily Republican, religiously Christian fundamentalist and Mormon, right wing, home base for many white supremacist groups, culturally monochromatic with minuscule Asian, let alone Thai populations. Does that not fairly describe much of Utah, Idaho, eastern Washington and Montana? Thailand must of seemed like Mars to someone coming from this environment.

But what about the Thai wives, people? What must it be like being a Thai woman living with a full-time Thai-basher? We at TVF can just put these [deleted] on "ignore", but I fear that their spouses don't have this luxury. It's these poor Thai women who unwittingly got lured into taking a one-way trip to North America's cultural hinterland and who are now trapped in a snow-bound Ted Kaczynski-style cabin, forced to listen to their unshaven rheumy-eyed, hung over hubbies remind them on an hourly basis how much their birthplace Thailand sucks who I feel sorry for. Almost makes me want to start up a repatriation fund, or phone the Dept of Health and Human Services.

Personally, I'm glad these guys went home. Thailand doesn't need their negativity. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that one day soon they'll realize that TVF doesn't need this negativity either.

And those guys give two squirts about what you think.

Everyone has their own life to live. To each his own where he chooses to do so and for the reasons he/she sees fit.

Your dislike for negativity is ironic as you are in fact making a negative post.

It's been a long time since my maths GCSE - but isn't a negative of a negative actually a positive?

[HeijoshinCool]

Cheaper isn't always better. In fact, it usually isn't.

Yes, in most places you will pay more to live if it is a first world nation, but you will probably get what you pay for there, where in Thailand, it is the opposite. Some things are cheaper here, but to have western comforts, it's generally more expensive these days, and pretty much everything you buy is overpriced and of low quality, including the home or condo you live in.

Lets see where all of us stand after the big event and the place goes belly up. Love Thailand or hate it, there is no denying its future looks very, very grim. It isn't going to end well no matter how rose tinted your glasses are at the moment.

What is this "big event" of which you speak, Nostradamus?

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The "big event" requires no prediction as it is unavoidable. The fact that you don't know that to which he refers, speaks volumes.

But here's another hint: it can't be spoken of on this website.

[HeijoshinCool]

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Not for me either. But it's a great place to hang out for the next three years, have a great time fishing, camping, and sightseeing, while making ridiculous money, then go spend it somewhere a bit more exotic.

How many times you have now pointed out in this thread that you can make good money while back in the US?

So the real reason that you don't like Thailand seems to be that you couldn't afford it because you ran short of money.

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Why does it get your goat? Contrary to what many are claiming on this thread, people with skills, or just plain determination, can still make excellent money in the USA.

I never said I didn't like Thailand. In fact, I said I liked many things about it. But living there became boring and overpriced for what I got out of it. That, among a number of other things, is why I left.

Ran short of money? No, that's why so many expats stay in Thailand, eating noodle soup everyday and renting $150/month hotel rooms. They can't afford to live in their homeland. In fact, my vested pension is sufficient to maintain myself in Thailand. Which is why I, like many others before me, had the choice to live elsewhere, and exercised it.

You are working hard to perpetuate the myth that Thailand is a great paradise, and in doing so do a disservice to many who don't know better, and are planning, at great expense, to move there.

Try having a debate without the personal attacks.

in doing so do a disservice to many who don't know better, and are planning, at great expense, to move there.

There is a word that describes someone that would move to another country based only on what he read on a forum like TV, and it's not complimentary.

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Geez, I have a more coherent thought process when I'm drunk.

"Only?"

[Gecko123]

Cheaper isn't always better. In fact, it usually isn't.

Yes, in most places you will pay more to live if it is a first world nation, but you will probably get what you pay for there, where in Thailand, it is the opposite. Some things are cheaper here, but to have western comforts, it's generally more expensive these days, and pretty much everything you buy is overpriced and of low quality, including the home or condo you live in.

Lets see where all of us stand after the big event and the place goes belly up. Love Thailand or hate it, there is no denying its future looks very, very grim. It isn't going to end well no matter how rose tinted your glasses are at the moment.

What is this "big event" of which you speak, Nostradamus?

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The "big event" requires no prediction as it is unavoidable. The fact that you don't know that to which he refers, speaks volumes.

But here's another hint: it can't be spoken of on this website.

Don't forget to add Southeast Asian political analyst and prognosticator to your resume, Carnac.