Popular Post Ulysses G. Posted March 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) I am pretty sure there are no "Israel Firsters" on here. I doubt if there are many anywhere who are not Israeli. That is just a stupid talking point dreamed up by haters of Israel/apologists for radical Islam. Edited March 3, 2015 by Ulysses G. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post up-country_sinclair Posted March 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2015 I am pretty sure there are no "Israel Firsters" on here. Netanyahu has a lot of potent ammo for tonight to stop Obama from selling Western democracy out. . You've posted something similar to this at least a few times. Please provide a step by step account for how you foresee this happening. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Please stay on topic and stop with your usual attempts to bait other members. You seem to have no other interest in posting here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jdinasia Posted March 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2015 Israel has nukes, just like the USA and Russia. They had them before the NPT and are under no obligation to join. I must have missed something, has Israel openly admitted to having nukes? If they don't admit it, they shouldn't be allowed to enrich uranium should they? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsox44 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Worst kept secret? U know who has many nukes and guess who gave them the info to make them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Worst kept secret? U know who has many nukes and guess who gave them the info to make them. No one gave Nukes to Israel -- they developed their own - for survival... probably the only reason the manic Arabs have not mounted an all out swarm of 2-3 million 'Palestenians' as cannon fodder running over the Israeli border. Israel has several top notch diesel submarines with Cruise Missile and ICBM Polaris - Poseidon type underwater missile capability -- all carrying Nukes... Bluster as they do - Iran and other Islamic nations really do not want to be turned into glass.... I just wish Israel had a nice sized Aircraft Carrier sitting out in the Persian Gulf ... then even obama could not use military forces to stop them --- as obama has already threatened ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 OK, so perhaps our resident "Israel Firsters" can explain why the President of the United States and the other members of the P5+1 are going to suddenly change course because of this campaign speech. Lay it out for us how this supposedly happens. Step by step. I await with baited breath. obama and has henchmen have certainly been worried about 'The Speech' - considering all the nasty whining they have been doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JDGRUEN Posted March 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2015 On a related note, the P5+1 negotiations moved forward as if this campaign speech never took place. Netanyahu's ratings went way up with the American people and he has not even spoken to Congress yet. Now that it is becoming obvious that Obama intends to eventually allow Iran to develop nukes, Netanyahu has a lot of potent ammo for tonight to stop Obama from selling Western democracy out. . So let me see if I can follow your "logic". The President of the United States (who will never be in another election) is going to abruptly change his position on an issue he clearly feels strongly about because a foreign leader that he despises is giving a campaign speech? Good luck with that pipe dream. Quite ironically, this is only going to make the president more determined to get the deal done. I hate to say it, but once again, this is another example of how you don't have a firm grasp on US politics. The only thing you seem to have a grasp on is Leftist manic politics ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 A successful conclusion would be preventing Iran from enriching uranium. There are many countries that have nuclear power that do not have the capability to enrich their own fuel. They buy it from abroad and thats what Iran could do. None of these countries do. Why should a rogue nation that sponsors terrorism, more that any other nation on earth, be allowed to? Argentina Armenia Belgium Bulgaria Canada Czech Republic Finland Hungary South Korea Lithuania Mexico Romania Slovakia Slovenia South Africa Spain Sweden Switzerland Ukraine Why isn't Israel on that list? Not on the list -- because they developed their own as they are smart people and there is something stimulating about survival when surrounded by millions upon millions of unstable Muslims who can be roused to kill kill kill in a day citing some imagined insult to Allah or Mohammad ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sunshine51 Posted March 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2015 "Bibi" Netanyahu is on one of his "official" we need more US Aid trips and is playing the Iran nukes card in hopes to trump any nay sayers. And if Obama has been caught in a lie about Iran's future nukes...so what. Is the catch gonna change anything? No. Truth is...is that the state if Israel doesn't need one iota of US Aid anymore and hasn't needed any for ages. Israel has very lucrative technology industries both for civilian and miitary manufacture. And they export globally and receive huge monetary gains for said exports. May I suggest that posters read up on the State of Israel and how it was created and whose initial treaty on the territory came to an end.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel Seems to me there's another nation out there that is to blame for the fracas in the Middle East and not just the US. Then after reading up on the creation of the State of Israel there's a good book about the US one should also read...especially the parts concerning US aid to Israel in the book. The name of the book is Rogue State and the author is William Blum. Here's a link to peruse.... http://williamblum.org/books/rogue-state/ There has never been a statement from the Israeli's concerning the state having a nuclear weapon, however....there was a test,or two, which also involved the South Africans that is well documented that does implicate Israel. Google is your friend...please use it. And so is a site named Nuclear Weapons Archive...Google for that also. Just seems to me that every time Israel gets a runny nose the US is called to wipe it and I reckon it's high time the US stops babysitting Israel. To include turning off the massive aid pipeline (conduit more like it) and if the State of Israel needs more US aid then they can apply just like every other nation on the planet has to do and must meet conditions set forth in the application process. The State of Israel seems very capable of defending itself from foreign bad guys; just look back a few recent years and see what they've done to the Palestinians which has made headline news globally. What has the US done about flagrant violations? Not even a gente slap on Israel's hands that's what. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NeverSure Posted March 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2015 OK, so perhaps our resident "Israel Firsters" can explain why the President of the United States and the other members of the P5+1 are going to suddenly change course because of this campaign speech. Lay it out for us how this supposedly happens. Step by step. I await with baited breath. It's not supposed to change Obama because he's too narcissistic to see himself for what he is. His Democrats in Congress have to run for re-election though, as do countless Democrats across the country. Democrats will now have to distance themselves from Barry. Barry won't have quite the free hand he's had, while Bibi just gets more popular. And then there's a national election in less than two years... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JingerBen Posted March 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2015 "Bibi" Netanyahu is on one of his "official" we need more US Aid trips and is playing the Iran nukes card in hopes to trump any nay sayers. And if Obama has been caught in a lie about Iran's future nukes...so what. Is the catch gonna change anything? No. Truth is...is that the state if Israel doesn't need one iota of US Aid anymore and hasn't needed any for ages. Israel has very lucrative technology industries both for civilian and miitary manufacture. And they export globally and receive huge monetary gains for said exports. May I suggest that posters read up on the State of Israel and how it was created and whose initial treaty on the territory came to an end.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel Seems to me there's another nation out there that is to blame for the fracas in the Middle East and not just the US. Then after reading up on the creation of the State of Israel there's a good book about the US one should also read...especially the parts concerning US aid to Israel in the book. The name of the book is Rogue State and the author is William Blum. Here's a link to peruse.... http://williamblum.org/books/rogue-state/ There has never been a statement from the Israeli's concerning the state having a nuclear weapon, however....there was a test,or two, which also involved the South Africans that is well documented that does implicate Israel. Google is your friend...please use it. And so is a site named Nuclear Weapons Archive...Google for that also. Just seems to me that every time Israel gets a runny nose the US is called to wipe it and I reckon it's high time the US stops babysitting Israel. To include turning off the massive aid pipeline (conduit more like it) and if the State of Israel needs more US aid then they can apply just like every other nation on the planet has to do and must meet conditions set forth in the application process. The State of Israel seems very capable of defending itself from foreign bad guys; just look back a few recent years and see what they've done to the Palestinians which has made headline news globally. What has the US done about flagrant violations? Not even a gente slap on Israel's hands that's what. Thanks for that articulate, well informed post. If there is an out of control secret nuclear proliferator in the Middle East whose paranoid behavior might well produce a nuclear WWIII it is Israel. Israel is not an ally, and is the source of many of the problems in the Middle East. American and Israeli interests do not coincide, frequently quite the contrary. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleGentile Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Here's a Jewish political scientists view on things about the Israeli leader. I think he knows a bit more about what is going on in this sad conflict than the resident war-mongers on this forum do, I dare say they won't even listen to his wise words as they already know everything. His point that Bibi's claim to represent 'all Jews' could be a bad thing for peaceful Jews is spot on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51UseTj-nR8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKBobby Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) A successful conclusion would be preventing Iran from enriching uranium, which is all Netanyahu is asking for. There are many countries that have nuclear power that do not have the capability to enrich their own fuel. They buy it from abroad and thats what Iran could do. None of these countries do. Why should a rogue nation that sponsors terrorism, more that any other nation on earth, be allowed to? Argentina Armenia Belgium Bulgaria Canada Czech Republic Finland Hungary South Korea Lithuania Mexico Romania Slovakia Slovenia South Africa Spain Sweden Switzerland Ukraine You say that Iran sponsor terrorism more than any other nation.When they do sponsor they might not sponsor the "freedom fighters" you prefer to sponsor. Elaborate your claim. You can attach a link if you want. Please refrain from cherry picking parts of my post. Ive noticed that you are creative when it comes to cutting and pasting. Edited March 3, 2015 by BKKBobby 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) House Speaker John Boehner plans to present Netanyahu a bust of former British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, a gift chosen because the two men will be the only foreign leaders to have addressed Congress three separate times. What an insult to Britain and the Churchill family. Shame on you Boehner. Had it been presented to any of the current main British political party leaders it would have been an insult. Given Churchill's views on Islam I dare say he would have also approved. Incidentally for anyone who has missed the calculated nature of this gift, it was Obama who ordered a bust of Churchill be removed from the White House when he took office. Edited March 3, 2015 by Steely Dan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up-country_sinclair Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 OK, so perhaps our resident "Israel Firsters" can explain why the President of the United States and the other members of the P5+1 are going to suddenly change course because of this campaign speech. Lay it out for us how this supposedly happens. Step by step. I await with baited breath. It's not supposed to change Obama because he's too narcissistic to see himself for what he is. His Democrats in Congress have to run for re-election though, as do countless Democrats across the country. Democrats will now have to distance themselves from Barry. Barry won't have quite the free hand he's had, while Bibi just gets more popular. And then there's a national election in less than two years... Yes, you're right in that it won't affect the president or the other members of the P5+1 in their negotiations with Iran. Those negotiations will go forward despite this campaign speech. You might do well to inform the "Israel Firsters" who think this speech somehow will cause the president to suddenly change course. As I posted earlier, quite ironically it does the exact opposite. I would think that the president is more resolute than ever in making this well reasoned and practical deal just so he can shove it in Netanyahu's arrogant face. As far as the national election in 2016 goes, I find it prudent to avoid making predictions about elections that are so far in the future. You might want to consider taking that advice on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Please refrain from cherry picking parts of my post. If anyone changes the meaning of your quote somehow, report it to the moderators. Otherwise, you have no business telling other members what to do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKBobby Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Please refrain from cherry picking parts of my post. If anyone changes the meaning of your quote somehow, report it to the moderators. Otherwise, you have no business telling other members what to do. In the future I will report it to moderators and refrain from telling members what do if I feel the need. Please provide information that shows us that your claim that Iran is the worlds biggest sponsor of terrorism is true. I want to acquire that knowledge you have about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 A successful conclusion would be preventing Iran from enriching uranium, which is all Netanyahu is asking for. There are many countries that have nuclear power that do not have the capability to enrich their own fuel. They buy it from abroad and thats what Iran could do. None of these countries do. Why should a rogue nation that sponsors terrorism, more that any other nation on earth, be allowed to? Argentina Armenia Belgium Bulgaria Canada Czech Republic Finland Hungary South Korea Lithuania Mexico Romania Slovakia Slovenia South Africa Spain Sweden Switzerland Ukraine You say that Iran sponsor terrorism more than any other nation.When they do sponsor they might not sponsor the "freedom fighters" you prefer to sponsor. Elaborate your claim. You can attach a link if you want. Please refrain from cherry picking parts of my post. Ive noticed that you are creative when it comes to cutting and pasting. You seem rather naive about Iran ,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Please refrain from cherry picking parts of my post. If anyone changes the meaning of your quote somehow, report it to the moderators. Otherwise, you have no business telling other members what to do. In the future I will report it to moderators and refrain from telling members what do if I feel the need. Please provide information that shows us that your claim that Iran is the worlds biggest sponsor of terrorism is true. I want to acquire that knowledge you have about this. You are likely never to understand about Iran and export of terrorism ... as long as all you read is Liberal pap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKBobby Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 A successful conclusion would be preventing Iran from enriching uranium, which is all Netanyahu is asking for. There are many countries that have nuclear power that do not have the capability to enrich their own fuel. They buy it from abroad and thats what Iran could do. None of these countries do. Why should a rogue nation that sponsors terrorism, more that any other nation on earth, be allowed to? Argentina Armenia Belgium Bulgaria Canada Czech Republic Finland Hungary South Korea Lithuania Mexico Romania Slovakia Slovenia South Africa Spain Sweden Switzerland Ukraine You say that Iran sponsor terrorism more than any other nation.When they do sponsor they might not sponsor the "freedom fighters" you prefer to sponsor. Elaborate your claim. You can attach a link if you want. Please refrain from cherry picking parts of my post. Ive noticed that you are creative when it comes to cutting and pasting. You seem rather naive about Iran ,,, Elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKBobby Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) Please refrain from cherry picking parts of my post.If anyone changes the meaning of your quote somehow, report it to the moderators. Otherwise, you have no business telling other members what to do. In the future I will report it to moderators and refrain from telling members what do if I feel the need.Please provide information that shows us that your claim that Iran is the worlds biggest sponsor of terrorism is true. I want to acquire that knowledge you have about this. You are likely never to understand about Iran and export of terrorism ... as long as all you read is Liberal pap... Well then, you can be the one to back up the claim that Iran is the worlds biggest sponsor of terrorism.Just for your knowledge: Saudi Arabia and the US only sponsor freedom fighters. Edited March 3, 2015 by BKKBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chicog Posted March 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2015 House Speaker John Boehner plans to present Netanyahu a bust of former British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, a gift chosen because the two men will be the only foreign leaders to have addressed Congress three separate times. What an insult to Britain and the Churchill family. Shame on you Boehner. Had it been presented to any of the current main British political party leaders it would have been an insult. Given Churchill's views on Islam I dare say he would have also approved. Incidentally for anyone who has missed the calculated nature of this gift, it was Obama who ordered a bust of Churchill be removed from the White House when he took office. I'll repost this to debunk your nonsense: The one displayed by Mr Bush was indeed returned, along with all other art lent to him, as his presidency came to an end. The other, which remains in the White House residence, was given as a gift to President Lyndon B Johnson in 1965 by a group of Atlanticist diplomats and military officers. But you're right, the calculated nature of this "gift" is a pathetic attempt to liken Churchill to Netanyahu as equals to America. Whereas the former was a loyal ally and friend of the US, the other is a bloodsucking leech who constantly expects America to do his dirty work for him. It doesn't get more calculating than that. But it's Boehner, who expects anything else? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post up-country_sinclair Posted March 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2015 Don't hold your breath, BKKBobby. Some of these threads are chock full of unsubstantiated, anti-Islamic rants that have no basis in fact. Another oft used maneuver is to use IDF translations of videos and speeches made by Iranian politicians. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chicog Posted March 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2015 Wow, took him almost ten minutes to get to the Nazis. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Publicus Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 He said no deal will give a better deal when the opposite is true, that the P5+1 and Iran and have each and all said the collapse, failure or closure of the present negotiations which began in 2012 would end any possibility of a negotiated agreement. Think about having to return to square one to start again in this complicated and complex nuclear stuff, trying to go over the same same ground again. While it was a terrible policy speech, it was a terrific campaign speech for the voting in Israel March 17th. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Very good speech. I was concerned about the damage the speech would make in the sense of making support for Israel a partisan issue. He minimized that a lot so that's good. He didn't exactly say a better deal was possible ... more like no deal is better than a bad deal and he made a strong case the deal is headed towards being very bad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Herps Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Had it been presented to any of the current main British political party leaders it would have been an insult. Given Churchill's views on Islam I dare say he would have also approved. Incidentally for anyone who has missed the calculated nature of this gift, it was Obama who ordered a bust of Churchill be removed from the White House when he took office. This was already debunked earlier in the thread - did you not read that before you posted, or you just ignore versions of the truth that fail to fit your narrative? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDGRUEN Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 A successful conclusion would be preventing Iran from enriching uranium, which is all Netanyahu is asking for. There are many countries that have nuclear power that do not have the capability to enrich their own fuel. They buy it from abroad and thats what Iran could do. None of these countries do. Why should a rogue nation that sponsors terrorism, more that any other nation on earth, be allowed to? Argentina Armenia Belgium Bulgaria Canada Czech Republic Finland Hungary South Korea Lithuania Mexico Romania Slovakia Slovenia South Africa Spain Sweden Switzerland Ukraine You say that Iran sponsor terrorism more than any other nation.When they do sponsor they might not sponsor the "freedom fighters" you prefer to sponsor. Elaborate your claim. You can attach a link if you want. Please refrain from cherry picking parts of my post. Ive noticed that you are creative when it comes to cutting and pasting. You seem rather naive about Iran ,,, Elaborate. Hezbollah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chicog Posted March 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2015 Very good speech. I was concerned about the damage the speech would make in the sense of making support for Israel a partisan issue. He minimized that a lot so that's good. He didn't exactly say a better deal was possible ... more like no deal is better than a bad deal and he made a strong case the deal is headed towards being very bad. No he didn't. it sounded like a load of fluff. And the manufactured rubbish they leaked about Iranians in the Golan being linked to Iran's nuclear ambitions was nothing short of amateurish. I'm sure it went down well with the Fox News brigade, but I suspect when I meet up with the muslims for a beer tomorrow they'll have been pissing themselves with laughter. They hate Iran more than Israel does but they don't see them as a military threat. If you read that Stratfor link I posted, they pretty well nailed it. The US wants a set of powerful players in the Gulf, the collapse of one big country is bad for everyone. Israel on the other hand is like a spoilt brat, wanting all the attention in front of the rest. And to be honest that is exactly how BlaBla came across. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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