Secret NLA vote today on ex-senators' impeachment

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Secret NLA vote today on ex-senators' impeachment
THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- THE NATIONAL Anti-Corruption Commission and 38 former senators yesterday gave closing statements to the National Legislative Assembly (NLA) during impeachment proceedings over the senators' alleged abuse of power.

NACC member Vichai Vivitsevi said the ex-senators had abused their power by amending the charter to change the composition of the Senate.

The NACC also found the charter amendment bill that the 38 politicians voted for was not the same one they had signed and presented to former Nonthaburi Senator Udomdej Rattanasathien, who proposed the charter amendment bill.

He said the bill they voted for had an additional provision, Article 6,that allowed former senators to run for the next term without having to take a political break.

Vichai said a Parliament official testified to the NACC that an assistant to Udomdej had switched the two bills on March 27, 2013, which resulted in the amendment process becoming unlawful. Udomdej had no right to amend his own draft, and only parliamentarians could do it.

The Constitutional Court also ruled that the amendment was unconstitutional because there was a cover-up over the submission of a new draft.

He dismissed the 38 ex-senators' argument that the legislative procedures allowed them to make the switch.

"Democracy is like a coin that has two sides. One side has a majority and the other side is a minority. We have to help protect the minority from being bullied by the majority. The root cause of the political problems that led to the military coup was because the majority did not heed the voice of the minority, because there were attempts to issue a blanket amnesty, corruption in the rice-pledging scheme. The impeachment decision will prevent the majority from becoming intoxicated with power,'' he said.

A former senator from Kamphaeng Phet, Krit Athitkaew, denied that they had abused power and violated the 1997 charter. He insisted that two NACC members were not qualified to make a decision to impeach them. They dismissed the NACC's arguments that the problems over their directors were administrative procedures.

Ex-senator from Nakhon Panom, Withaya I-nala, denied there was another charter draft submitted in place of the original one, saying that the endorsement of the signatures of ex-senators were once not twice.

NLA president Pornpetch Wichitcholchai said the assembly would cast a secret vote today on whether to impeach the ex-senators.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Secret-NLA-vote-today-on-ex-senators-impeachment-30255845.html


-- The Nation 2015-03-12

[ramrod711]

The NACC also found the charter amendment bill that the 38 politicians voted for was not the same one they had signed and presented to former Nonthaburi Senator Udomdej Rattanasathien, who proposed the charter amendment bill.

Same as the amnesty bill, standard operating procedure for PTP. Disregard for the law, Parliamentary procedures, democratic principles and fair play led the party and the country to the present situation.

[brucec64]

The NACC also found the charter amendment bill that the 38 politicians voted for was not the same one they had signed and presented to former Nonthaburi Senator Udomdej Rattanasathien, who proposed the charter amendment bill.

Same as the amnesty bill, standard operating procedure for PTP. Disregard for the law, Parliamentary procedures, democratic principles and fair play led the party and the country to the present situation.

And will be judged for their indiscretions by the current non-elected government that has disregard for the rule of law, Parliamentary procedure, democratic principles and fair play.

And how does using corrupt practices to fight corrupt practices move the country forward?

[MaxLee]

""Democracy is like a coin that has two sides. One side has a majority and the other side is a minority. We have to help protect the minority from being bullied by the majority. The root cause of the political problems that led to the military coup was because the majority did not heed the voice of the minority, because there were attempts to issue a blanket amnesty, corruption in the rice-pledging scheme. The impeachment decision will prevent the majority from becoming intoxicated with power,'' he said."

back to kindergarten for illiterate kids pre ABC kindergarten for mentally retatrded politicians.....

... Rewarded with an inactive post and unlimited taxpayers money pension 4life

Edited March 12, 2015 by MaxLee

[EnglishJohn]

The NACC also found the charter amendment bill that the 38 politicians voted for was not the same one they had signed and presented to former Nonthaburi Senator Udomdej Rattanasathien, who proposed the charter amendment bill.

Same as the amnesty bill, standard operating procedure for PTP. Disregard for the law, Parliamentary procedures, democratic principles and fair play led the party and the country to the present situation.

And will be judged for their indiscretions by the current non-elected government that has disregard for the rule of law, Parliamentary procedure, democratic principles and fair play.

And how does using corrupt practices to fight corrupt practices move the country forward?

I how I wonder do you think this is any worse than under Pheu-Thai ?.

Parliamentary procedure ? - what about getting the amnesty bill through the first reading then changing it radically to include Thaksin and railroading it through at 4:30am ?.

Democratic principles ? - a deputy PM said publicly that they had no need to consider the wishes of any minority. If people didn't like it, they could vote them out next time.

Fair play ?. I'm laughing too hard to answer that one.

At least now the country is not being bled dry by a massively corrupt rice scheme nor are opponents being murdered by government sponsored terrorist groups.

Whether you are honest enough to admit it or not, every intelligent person knows that the aim of Pheu-Thai was to remove the democratic checks and balances which were stopping them in their dirty schemes - particularly the attempts to take massive loans off-budget so they could be skimmed away. The evil megalomaniac directing the cronies wanted absolute power. The Junta is a bad choice from a list of worse options.

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The NACC also found the charter amendment bill that the 38 politicians voted for was not the same one they had signed and presented to former Nonthaburi Senator Udomdej Rattanasathien, who proposed the charter amendment bill.

Same as the amnesty bill, standard operating procedure for PTP. Disregard for the law, Parliamentary procedures, democratic principles and fair play led the party and the country to the present situation.

Add: 'But it's OK because it was just an honest mistake, believe me!'

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The NACC also found the charter amendment bill that the 38 politicians voted for was not the same one they had signed and presented to former Nonthaburi Senator Udomdej Rattanasathien, who proposed the charter amendment bill.

Same as the amnesty bill, standard operating procedure for PTP. Disregard for the law, Parliamentary procedures, democratic principles and fair play led the party and the country to the present situation.

And will be judged for their indiscretions by the current non-elected government that has disregard for the rule of law, Parliamentary procedure, democratic principles and fair play.

And how does using corrupt practices to fight corrupt practices move the country forward?

I how I wonder do you think this is any worse than under Pheu-Thai ?.

Parliamentary procedure ? - what about getting the amnesty bill through the first reading then changing it radically to include Thaksin and railroading it through at 4:30am ?.

Democratic principles ? - a deputy PM said publicly that they had no need to consider the wishes of any minority. If people didn't like it, they could vote them out next time.

Fair play ?. I'm laughing too hard to answer that one.

At least now the country is not being bled dry by a massively corrupt rice scheme nor are opponents being murdered by government sponsored terrorist groups.

Whether you are honest enough to admit it or not, every intelligent person knows that the aim of Pheu-Thai was to remove the democratic checks and balances which were stopping them in their dirty schemes - particularly the attempts to take massive loans off-budget so they could be skimmed away. The evil megalomaniac directing the cronies wanted absolute power. The Junta is a bad choice from a list of worse options.

Agree, but let's go a little further: "Whether you are honest enough to admit it or not, every intelligent person knows that the aim of Pheu-Thai was to remove the democratic checks and balances......." to create a situation whereby nobody would ever be able to vote them out of office.

And all the while they were making progress at setting up a dictatorship.

And all the while they were claiming "We have to stay to protect democracy" Such bald faced total lies. They were deliberately destroying democracy.

And don't forget the paymasters words: 1). "Democracy for Thailand is not my aim." 2). "Democracy is not important for Thailand"

[FangFerang]

No matter who they are, green, purple, yellow or red, to impeach senators for "trying to change the Charter to their advantage" is hypocrisy. The NCPO and NLA are doing that right now. Literally and figuratively. Two, the law is being retroactively enforced, and has no legal basis in any world court (and sets a nasty precedent that could come back to haunt the current ghost government altogether -- if they can do it so can their opponents). You cannot write a law that says red hair is illegal, and then go arrest people who have been gingers since birth. Three, the job of the Legislature and Senate is to treat the Charter as a work-in-progress and modify it as circumstances and societies grow and change -- and all nations with charters do this because it cannot be written in stone (too bulky for court appearances).

The circus has turned into a comedy of errors.

Edited March 12, 2015 by FangFerang

[Baerboxer]

No matter who they are, green, purple, yellow or red, to impeach senators for "trying to change the Charter to their advantage" is hypocrisy. The NCPO and NLA are doing that right now. Literally and figuratively. Two, the law is being retroactively enforced, and has no legal basis in any world court (and sets a nasty precedent that could come back to haunt the current ghost government altogether -- if they can do it so can their opponents). You cannot write a law that says red hair is illegal, and then go arrest people who have been gingers since birth. Three, the job of the Legislature and Senate is to treat the Charter as a work-in-progress and modify it as circumstances and societies grow and change -- and all nations with charters do this because it cannot be written in stone (too bulky for court appearances).

The circus has turned into a comedy of errors.

No - they are being charged with the way they went about trying to amend the law, not for actually trying. One of PTP's hallmarks was a sloppy approach to rules, regulations, procedures, processes and the law. A mixture of arrogance, presumption, contempt, laziness and the belief they could simply, as the government, always lie or threaten their way out of any troubles.

Their large minority vote translated into a massive parliamentary majority of seats. They could have handled things much more skillfully - but that would have meant telling the truth, something they just can't bring themselves to do. Almost as though it demeans them in some way and they must show they're above it.

[Srikcir]

Secret NLA vote.

So much for transparanecy.

[waitforusalso]

No matter who they are, green, purple, yellow or red, to impeach senators for "trying to change the Charter to their advantage" is hypocrisy. The NCPO and NLA are doing that right now. Literally and figuratively. Two, the law is being retroactively enforced, and has no legal basis in any world court (and sets a nasty precedent that could come back to haunt the current ghost government altogether -- if they can do it so can their opponents). You cannot write a law that says red hair is illegal, and then go arrest people who have been gingers since birth. Three, the job of the Legislature and Senate is to treat the Charter as a work-in-progress and modify it as circumstances and societies grow and change -- and all nations with charters do this because it cannot be written in stone (too bulky for court appearances).

The circus has turned into a comedy of errors.

No - they are being charged with the way they went about trying to amend the law, not for actually trying. One of PTP's hallmarks was a sloppy approach to rules, regulations, procedures, processes and the law. A mixture of arrogance, presumption, contempt, laziness and the belief they could simply, as the government, always lie or threaten their way out of any troubles.

Their large minority vote translated into a massive parliamentary majority of seats. They could have handled things much more skillfully - but that would have meant telling the truth, something they just can't bring themselves to do. Almost as though it demeans them in some way and they must show they're above it.

Whereas given similar sloppiness by the Democrats evidence is lost or proceedings aren't proceeded within the statute of limitations.

[toybits]

I am puzzled here. They amend the constitution - they get punished. The constitution is torn up and shoved up somewhere the sun don't shine and ....

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38 former senators escape impeachment

BANGKOK: -- The 38 former senators, who were accused of breaching the previous constitution, escaped the impeachment Thursday when most members of the National Legislative Assembly voted against the impeachment proposal.

The number of impeachment vote against each of the 38 senators was less than the required 132 votes so the impeachment decision of the National Anti-Corruption Commission was rejected.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/38-former-senators-escape-impeachment-30255868.html


-- The Nation 2015-03-12

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I am puzzled here. They amend the constitution - they get punished. The constitution is torn up and shoved up somewhere the sun don't shine and ....

Suggest you re-attend primary 1 level logic 101 class.

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Secret NLA vote.

So much for transparanecy.

That's one view.

There is another view that at this level a secret vote might ensure people vote as to their real

analysis and morals rather than in an open vote they would be forced to vote the party line.