Landlord Will not provide ID card for 1 Year visa

[dutchweller]

I think changing your extension of stay application to Korat so that you can use your wife's house book as proof of residence is not a good idea. It will just create more complication than it is worth. Changing to another office means immigration will do a home visit or want witnesses. You would need to return to Korat after the 30 day under consideration to get your extension stamp. Korat does not accept 90 day reports by mail so you need to do them in person there.

You should give formal notice to your landlord that you are moving in 30 days and state the reason for moving is that he will not provide the required documents for your extension. That might get him to hand over a copy of his ID card.

You could apply for a 60 day extension to visit your wife if you cannot get things sorted before your extension ends.

Thanks for the Info Joe

So the "30 day under consideration to get your extension stamp"

How dose that work?

My current 90 Day extension expires 9 April and we tried to get the 1 year visa started before and were told to come back when 90 Day visa is almost finished

You make the application and the you get extended for another 30 days while they process the application/make the checks?

If that is the case during the 30 day Processing do I have to stay in Thailand?? As I may need to travel for work??

Cheers

I assume you mean a 90 day entry not an extension. You can apply for your extension during the last 30 days of your 90 day entry.

The 30 days is a report back date for the under consideration period which will start from the date you apply for the extension at Chaeng Wattana. If you did it at Korat it would start from the end of your 90 day permit to stay you have now. You can get a re-entry permit for the under consideration period.

I would put some pressure on your land lord to do the rental agreement and give you a copy his ID card. Immigration does not report anything to the revenue department if that is what he is worried about.

Cheers Joe

We have a copy of his ID card now and a copy of the agreement but neither was provided by him we got them from the condo management.

Will be doing the Application soon at Chaeng Wattana

We now have all the Details the Grumpy Immigration officer requested and wrote down we needed ...

Yes I meant 90 Day entry so once we apply I can get an extension for 30 days with a Multi entry if needed for work outside of Thailand?

Once the 30 day consideration period is over I assume we report back to Immigration for the actual 1 year extension in my passport? what happens if I am away working at the requested return date?

[ubonjoe]

The 30 days is not an extension. You could apply for a single re-entry permit that costs 1000 that will be valid up to the report back date on the under consideration stamp.

If you return after the report back date you would have to start all over again because you would only get a 30 day visa exempt entry.

[laislica]

I think changing your extension of stay application to Korat so that you can use your wife's house book as proof of residence is not a good idea. It will just create more complication than it is worth. Changing to another office means immigration will do a home visit or want witnesses. You would need to return to Korat after the 30 day under consideration to get your extension stamp. Korat does not accept 90 day reports by mail so you need to do them in person there.

You should give formal notice to your landlord that you are moving in 30 days and state the reason for moving is that he will not provide the required documents for your extension. That might get him to hand over a copy of his ID card.

You could apply for a 60 day extension to visit your wife if you cannot get things sorted before your extension ends.

Maybe the OP needs to read between the tea leaves at his local office?

The complications and additional costs of fudging it at another office don't sound worth the hassle and might even end up in a bad result!

My Mum sad I would not make a good liar, memory not good enough......

Possibly slip them a hundred or two while asking for a translation and make a friend for the future....?

Thais call it Nam Jai, my Missus often gives a little Nam Jai and things usually whizz through.

Example, I wanted a yellow book, our local office does not have many Farang to deal with but loads of Myanmar, Laos, Cambodian etc.

It seems thay didn't want to start a president so said it can't be done.

A little Nam Jai later and we go to see them with the forms they provided next Wednesday....

Hopefully all will be well.

Bless Nam Jai.....

Good Luck

[dutchweller]

I think changing your extension of stay application to Korat so that you can use your wife's house book as proof of residence is not a good idea. It will just create more complication than it is worth. Changing to another office means immigration will do a home visit or want witnesses. You would need to return to Korat after the 30 day under consideration to get your extension stamp. Korat does not accept 90 day reports by mail so you need to do them in person there.

You should give formal notice to your landlord that you are moving in 30 days and state the reason for moving is that he will not provide the required documents for your extension. That might get him to hand over a copy of his ID card.

You could apply for a 60 day extension to visit your wife if you cannot get things sorted before your extension ends.

Maybe the OP needs to read between the tea leaves at his local office?

The complications and additional costs of fudging it at another office don't sound worth the hassle and might even end up in a bad result!

My Mum sad I would not make a good liar, memory not good enough......

Possibly slip them a hundred or two while asking for a translation and make a friend for the future....?

Thais call it Nam Jai, my Missus often gives a little Nam Jai and things usually whizz through.

Example, I wanted a yellow book, our local office does not have many Farang to deal with but loads of Myanmar, Laos, Cambodian etc.

It seems thay didn't want to start a president so said it can't be done.

A little Nam Jai later and we go to see them with the forms they provided next Wednesday....

Hopefully all will be well.

Bless Nam Jai.....

Good Luck

OR I could Take the ID card and Rental contract that I got from Condo management and show immigration like she asked?

and not pay someone for something they should not be doing?

[laislica]

I think changing your extension of stay application to Korat so that you can use your wife's house book as proof of residence is not a good idea. It will just create more complication than it is worth. Changing to another office means immigration will do a home visit or want witnesses. You would need to return to Korat after the 30 day under consideration to get your extension stamp. Korat does not accept 90 day reports by mail so you need to do them in person there.

You should give formal notice to your landlord that you are moving in 30 days and state the reason for moving is that he will not provide the required documents for your extension. That might get him to hand over a copy of his ID card.

You could apply for a 60 day extension to visit your wife if you cannot get things sorted before your extension ends.

Maybe the OP needs to read between the tea leaves at his local office?

The complications and additional costs of fudging it at another office don't sound worth the hassle and might even end up in a bad result!

My Mum sad I would not make a good liar, memory not good enough......

Possibly slip them a hundred or two while asking for a translation and make a friend for the future....?

Thais call it Nam Jai, my Missus often gives a little Nam Jai and things usually whizz through.

Example, I wanted a yellow book, our local office does not have many Farang to deal with but loads of Myanmar, Laos, Cambodian etc.

It seems thay didn't want to start a president so said it can't be done.

A little Nam Jai later and we go to see them with the forms they provided next Wednesday....

Hopefully all will be well.

Bless Nam Jai.....

Good Luck

OR I could Take the ID card and Rental contract that I got from Condo management and show immigration like she asked?

and not pay someone for something they should not be doing?

As I was writing, I had not read that you had received the required docs.

So the Condo Management sorted it for you. They should get and Nam Jai that's going LOL

(Sometimes it's a bit of fruit or cookies, it doesn't have to be money)

Looks like you made a friend and that's what's important.

Well done and lucky you.

[4evermaat]

Get an electronic copy (scan) of all required documents (front and back). Save an encrypted copy to dropbox. When you need it, just print it out and take it with you.

[bangkoklasse]

All you need is a copy of your rental agreement. If your landlord is too idle to produce one move on & return the keys.

(Fare paying passenger an' all that; Something not everyone here comprehends!)

Sounds good enough, except the 2 months of deposit money which is gone for sure.

Oh yes for sure the scumbag will not give that up..

It will the the same problem whenever he move then. So that is not a reason to stay a few years in a place that is not nice........

[ToddinChonburi]

Listen to Ubonjoe he is giving you great advice.

[nithisa78]

She suggested that we go to her Home town and get my name on her House book witch she owns..

Then bring the House registration book, and owners papers along with copy's Do you think this will be enough??

It is not even needed to place your name in the foreigner's house book. It is not mandatory to do that, and very few people do.

But if you declare to be living there, you will have to apply at the local immigration office, and do or mail 90 days reports there.

Maybe you can tell the landlord that if he doesn't provide the documentation you will be the one reporting him to immigration for not having declared your stay (that is mandatory), and to the tax office about the income.

The landlord is a crook. Move on. He himself is your warning.

[ggt]

Did you offer to pay the Landlord for his cooperation...that usually seems to work in most cases...This is Thailand...

[ubonjoe]

A few people posting seem to of missed the fact that the OP's problem is solved. He has what he needs.

[timewilltell]

Report the landlord to immigration

[IMA_FARANG]

I am willing to bet that if your landlord will not provide a copy of his I.D. card then he is not paying tax as required on your rent to the government.

He can have future problems with that ...... and so might you later.

[Rolo Tomazi]

All you need is a copy of your rental agreement. If your landlord is too idle to produce one move on & return the keys.

(Fare paying passenger an' all that; Something not everyone here comprehends!)

I doubt that just a copy is enough. Anybody can create a rental contract, or use an old one. The rental contract will have to be verified.

I couldn't even register a motorcycle in my name with just a rental contract!

I then doctored my buddy's verified rental contract since I lived in another province and didn't want to do the round trip.

Don't want to step on your toes but recommending finding a new place, packing everything up and moving instead of getting a statement from the house owner is not very practical advice.

[Rolo Tomazi]

A few people posting seem to of missed the fact that the OP's problem is solved. He has what he needs.

Then all is fine and dandy!

That fact shouldn't keep anybody from commenting or supplying additional information for the benefit of all readers who may be in a similar situation.

[NanLaew]

All you need is a copy of your rental agreement. If your landlord is too idle to produce one move on & return the keys.

(Fare paying passenger an' all that; Something not everyone here comprehends!)

I doubt that just a copy is enough. Anybody can create a rental contract, or use an old one. The rental contract will have to be verified.

I couldn't even register a motorcycle in my name with just a rental contract!

I then doctored my buddy's verified rental contract since I lived in another province and didn't want to do the round trip.

Don't want to step on your toes but recommending finding a new place, packing everything up and moving instead of getting a statement from the house owner is not very practical advice.

What do you mean 'verified' ?

I think the assumption is the Landlord is also the property owner but not always the case.

My understanding that affixing a copy of the property owners ID card and Tibian Bahn (blue book) is sufficient 'verification'. My rental contract is signed by the owners agent, not the owner as she lives in Denmark. I am pretty sure that responsible agents get a copy of owners ID and blue book before they accept being a rental agent.

In my instance at Jomtien, they get a COPY of the original, bi-lingual rental contract and SIGHT of the original one. Everyone seems happy with that. When I used to file in Udon before that, I had a yellow book that was the same address as my wife's (owners) blue book, no worries.

Good thread though and glad the OP is sorted for now. Maybe add another check-box for those living on extensions in rental properties to make sure that owners ID and blue book copies are obtained at the same time as signing any rental agreement.

[elliottm]

All you need is a copy of your rental agreement. If your landlord is too idle to produce one move on & return the keys.

Some offices will insist on a copy of house book and ID card of the landlord.

Correct, copy of signed landlord's ID card.

[bangkoklasse]

All you need is a copy of your rental agreement. If your landlord is too idle to produce one move on & return the keys.

(Fare paying passenger an' all that; Something not everyone here comprehends!)

I doubt that just a copy is enough. Anybody can create a rental contract, or use an old one. The rental contract will have to be verified.

I couldn't even register a motorcycle in my name with just a rental contract!

I then doctored my buddy's verified rental contract since I lived in another province and didn't want to do the round trip.

Don't want to step on your toes but recommending finding a new place, packing everything up and moving instead of getting a statement from the house owner is not very practical advice.

A copy of the contract and nothing else was enough when I did my Extension o couple of weeks ago at the Bangkok Immigration

[pmarlin]

I have done several retirement extensions and have never been asked for a rental contract or any proof of where I live because my landlord supplies the required information to immigration. I also do my ninety day reports as required, if that makes any difference. This is at CW BKK. I suspect most of us fall into this category.

[NanLaew]

I have done several retirement extensions and have never been asked for a rental contract or any proof of where I live because my landlord supplies the required information to immigration. I also do my ninety day reports as required, if that makes any difference. This is at CW BKK. I suspect most of us fall into this category.

Maybe the way it works at CW with a landlord that is already fulfilling his legal obligations regarding registering foreigners staying in his property. For a spell last year, Udon Thani Immigration were handing out the foreign resident registration forms to foreigners (or their wives if filing a marriage extension) and getting them to chase down the landlords/owners for signatures as part of their extension filing process. Not sure if they are still doing that. Lazy buggers.