vogie Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Maybe he should contact Ubonjoe, he'll sort something out for him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post masuk Posted March 14, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2015 It may come as a surprise to find that other countries, or at least their newspapers, also have suggestions to make about the military takeover here. While folk are getting their knickers in a twist about who the USA may or may not invite to their dinner table, there are a great many other countries which also have a view. The latest UK "Guardian" has an interesting editorial, suggesting that the takeover hovers between farce and tragedy, reminiscent of Vichy France's "travail, famille, patri". Certainly things whizzed along in the first weeks of the takeover, with a number of people with their fingers in the till being taken away, and the editorial commented on the farce of 'impeaching' a Prime Minister who was no longer in power, by an assembly who did not have the power to impeach. To quote: " The tragedy, as this drifts on, is that Thailand is wasting time that it can ill afford. Its economy is faltering just when it most needs growth. The attempt to fix the country's political future should be abandoned. A return to democratic rule is overdue." In the North, things do not seem to have changed. Regional airports are closed due to choking pollution and poor visibility: hospital admissions have gone up with respiratory and cardiac problems, most people are wearing facemasks: the police seem to be ineffectual in controlling motorists and motor cyclists, who break every rule there is. I won't even start on the abysmal Immigration offices the expat community has to tolerate. Does the North have any representation in government? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post trogers Posted March 14, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2015 It may come as a surprise to find that other countries, or at least their newspapers, also have suggestions to make about the military takeover here. While folk are getting their knickers in a twist about who the USA may or may not invite to their dinner table, there are a great many other countries which also have a view. The latest UK "Guardian" has an interesting editorial, suggesting that the takeover hovers between farce and tragedy, reminiscent of Vichy France's "travail, famille, patri". Certainly things whizzed along in the first weeks of the takeover, with a number of people with their fingers in the till being taken away, and the editorial commented on the farce of 'impeaching' a Prime Minister who was no longer in power, by an assembly who did not have the power to impeach. To quote: " The tragedy, as this drifts on, is that Thailand is wasting time that it can ill afford. Its economy is faltering just when it most needs growth. The attempt to fix the country's political future should be abandoned. A return to democratic rule is overdue." In the North, things do not seem to have changed. Regional airports are closed due to choking pollution and poor visibility: hospital admissions have gone up with respiratory and cardiac problems, most people are wearing facemasks: the police seem to be ineffectual in controlling motorists and motor cyclists, who break every rule there is. I won't even start on the abysmal Immigration offices the expat community has to tolerate. Does the North have any representation in government? And the problem in the North just developed over the past 10 months? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijb Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) Wow they let in terrorists but not the Thai PM? the guy must have really rubbed people up the wrong way.......poor puppet. The terrorists wouldn't try to do a coup while they're there. Edited March 14, 2015 by rijb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Meanwhile an international relations academic Dr Panitarn Watanayakorn elaborated the word “US disallows” stated by the prime minister saying it was merely to express that the US does not extend invitation him to visit . so, .... another non-story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgangeles Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I find this very interesting. The PM of Thailand has been disallowed from going to the USA, while it allows an convicted criminal on the run from the law to go. The American law, as I understand it will not allow a visa to anyone that has been convicted in a court of law. It still allowed Thakisin Shinitawatra to travel to the US after he was convicted by the court for corruption, while his Brother-in-Law, was PM. He was not disallowed entry to US. Bad translation. He can go any time he wishes. Prayut was not invited, big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeThai Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Wondering if the Expats from the USA should start packing their bags...?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zob65 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Typical yanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge2bridge Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 cant go to Aussie either can he ?....for the same reason Yeh but we let in terrorists. And let them OUT to fight for ISIS. And let them BACK in again. Our Governments are weak as P**S. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fvw53 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) The US would better focus on the "betrayal" by their so-called closest allies who want to join a Chinese sponsored Development Bank. This is a much more important matter than an invitation to a Thai P.M. who is indeed not elected but is cleaning up his country from corruption. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/13/support-china-led-development-bank-grows-despite-us-opposition-australia-uk-new-zealand-asia Next step : refusal to invite the British PM ? Edited March 14, 2015 by fvw53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhnomKhnom Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 More cheese with that whine? He can whine as much as he likes. The only thing I'm worried about if he starts disliking certain nationalities. Then many people here will be in trouble. Hope we never come to that.......but you never know.................... "Certain nationalities" on tv venue already do not like the PM nor understand the huge job he has keeping Thailand from civil war. That is a fact. I am embarrassed for the foreigners here so flippantly deriding the PM for imagined faults resulting from foreigners' kneejerk opinions. I would ask those foreigners typing here the Joe Welch question, "Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" I add, "Have you no shame; at long last, have you no shame?" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge2bridge Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Wow they let in terrorists but not the Thai PM? the guy must have really rubbed people up the wrong way.......poor puppet. The terrorists wouldn't try to do a coup while they're there. No just BLOW up the joint. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlwilliamsjr18 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Why is he surprised? Does he not get it? The only exception I can see, if he would be coming to address the UN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nithisa78 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 It is a delicate issue. Not something that will be fully addressed VIA public media. The power brokers / ruling class speak privately. Nothing is going to foul up between the USA / Australia / Thailand . Not today, tomorrow or in any of our life times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkles Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 cant go to Aussie either can he ?....for the same reason He's seems to be speaking for the Americans again. His assumption just because Obama ain't invited him. The billionaire Wall St. connected Thaksin, a convicted criminal fugitive with 15 outstanding criminal court cases got a visa ok on a private visit, unusual for America. And the former PM Ms. Yingluck was always dropping hints about a "White House invitation" that never came. Who America invites, allows in and doesn't invite or prohibits is there business. Hypocrisy is up the them. As for Aussie - why would he want to visit a piss pot country with an idiot PM? Because he can see first hand people that buy alcohol between 2pm and 5pm don't commit mayhem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaamBaht Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I find this very interesting. The PM of Thailand has been disallowed from going to the USA, while it allows an convicted criminal on the run from the law to go. The American law, as I understand it will not allow a visa to anyone that has been convicted in a court of law. It still allowed Thakisin Shinitawatra to travel to the US after he was convicted by the court for corruption, while his Brother-in-Law, was PM. I believe the US realized that the conviction was politically motivated. The courts have delivered multiple coups in the past decade. Do you remember when Samak got thrown out for hosting a cooking show? Those Thai courts are a hoot. The current PM is a criminal and should be rightly barred from U.S. travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishJohn Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Ah - it becomes clear. It's just another law in the USA which bears no significance whatsoever to what the leaders in the country actually think. Yet one more sensationalist anti-junta headline which means nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 TR...he didn't die on the streets of USA.. He died in his private driveway in LA ...get your facts straight...and does your asute memory recall who killed him? What about this at a stab at deducting reasoning..the Luuk khurn Phuket girls who died in the sink hole b/c the local public works dept demonstrated complete negligence and total lack of accountability... Thai roads are a pubic safety hazed and one has a much higher degree of injury and death than in their home country... Maybe a better example of deductive reasoning... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Perhaps Mr T could vouch for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 "In particular the United States which had enjoyed relationships with Thailand for over 200 years, he said." I don't think USA enjoyed World War II all that much, when Thailand decided to roll over and ally with Japan, declared war on USA but typically forgot to deliver the mail. I know majority of those dying on building railroad were Asians, Dutch, Aussies... but some yanks too. Our smart bomb took that bridge out, btw. Had to film Bridge on etc in Sri Lanka. Maybe still a bit sensitive over that "misunderstanding".... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindsayBKK Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Ok who cares what the US thinks/says US are Hypocrites Elections don't make a democracy Look at the US Senate/Congress/Elections The person with the biggest bank a/c Wins Hillary debt $60m paid off by donations US Debt $18.2 Trillion Bankruptcy? UK just joined China World Bank Group The US is getting left out Thailand/China/Japan/Lao etc Train Links set, contracts signed. Prayut has done more in his time than previous politician did. When politicians prove they can be trusted & wish to move this country forward without lining their own pockets eg. rice scheme, then Thais can have elections. The US does not rule the world esp. that hrw group paid by US billionares. But I can see Prayut will PM longtime because the Red's & Anti-coup just don't get it. The more they talk/cause trouble the longer he'll stay. Coup was for many,many reasons not just YL TS mob or prevent civil war... Election..no time soon Ex-senators have not been sentenced yet Courts busy for at least another year. LLTK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddinChonburi Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Sadly the cops had to call for backup from the military because a women would not close her bar, this is how pathetic the police are. They need Marshal Law to back there candy asses up. They hide in there traffic shacks while the military cleans up the beaches. How sad is this. If they hold an election then the military can no longer be of help. Maybe they need to form a National Guard real quick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkyCowboy Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 ok I give up .. why cant he travel to the USA? Obama does not want 2 real men in a row in the US. He would invite Castro for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustdevil Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Why do you even want to go? I remember the poor soul who survived through the killing fields of the Khmer Rogue died on the streets of USA. Streets of the USA. Oh come on, don't be stupid. Try living there first before making stupid sweeping statements. Thousands of South Americans stream over the US border to ESCAPE crime. Oh--here's one: your Commonwealth empire is long dead and buried. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acharn Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Well, it's a temporary thing. Not like that Democrat government minister who was barred for being involved in the drug trade. Gen. Prayut will be able to get a visa (if he wants one) after elections have been held. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 cant go to Aussie either can he ?....for the same reason He's seems to be speaking for the Americans again. His assumption just because Obama ain't invited him. The billionaire Wall St. connected Thaksin, a convicted criminal fugitive with 15 outstanding criminal court cases got a visa ok on a private visit, unusual for America. And the former PM Ms. Yingluck was always dropping hints about a "White House invitation" that never came. Who America invites, allows in and doesn't invite or prohibits is there business. Hypocrisy is up the them. As for Aussie - why would he want to visit a piss pot country with an idiot PM? ................."As for Aussie - why would he want to visit a piss pot country with an idiot PM?"......................... Good question BB, but maybe you should be asking the almost 7 million people a year who do visit that "piss pot" country why they wanted to visit and the 20,000 + British migrants a year who go to live there. Obviously having an idiot PM has not affected the numbers or else nobody would be visiting any country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timewilltell Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I am glad the general recognizes that all countries inhabit the same globe. Now he needs to extrapolate and understand that humans also inhabit the same globe. Maybe then there will be a little less tolerance of racism and xenophobia in this country. So busy avoiding being colonised they missed the hordes of Chinese who have taken over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbanda Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I doubt he cannot get a visa to travel anytime he wants, but not in an official visit. The fact that the US will not invite him while he is a non elected official, will help him to find a excuse to call for elections soon, and to be a candidate, and win. Thailand will have Prayut for a long time. Better the world, and the US, accepting that very real possibility, and use a good diplomacy. China and Russia are probably very happy with this kind of problems with the US and Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustdevil Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Ok who cares what the US thinks/says US are Hypocrites Elections don't make a democracy Look at the US Senate/Congress/Elections The person with the biggest bank a/c Wins Hillary debt $60m paid off by donations US Debt $18.2 Trillion Bankruptcy? UK just joined China World Bank Group The US is getting left out Thailand/China/Japan/Lao etc Train Links set, contracts signed. Prayut has done more in his time than previous politician did. When politicians prove they can be trusted & wish to move this country forward without lining their own pockets eg. rice scheme, then Thais can have elections. The US does not rule the world esp. that hrw group paid by US billionares. But I can see Prayut will PM longtime because the Red's & Anti-coup just don't get it. The more they talk/cause trouble the longer he'll stay. Coup was for many,many reasons not just YL TS mob or prevent civil war... Election..no time soon Ex-senators have not been sentenced yet Courts busy for at least another year. LLTK Unlike some European countries, US democracy actually means something. 1) Yes, elections, not only of prime ministers and presidents and senators but also judges and police chiefs 2) accountability is necessary in democracy 3) the question of slander and libel. In European countries such as Sweden and Italy, slander and libel (defamation) if proven, is a criminal offense, and people can go to jail for that. In the US, first off, it's a civil matter, not criminal, and secondly, the First Amendment makes it very difficult for public figure or the powerful to sue individuals for defamation and actually win the case. So places like Canada and the UK are paradise for defamation suits, but not the U.S. If you want to quash freeom to criticise, go to the Commonwealth countries or Malaysia but not the U.S> 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yann55 Posted March 14, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) In recent history (starting for example with Pinochet in Chile, 1973), when I think how many dictators the US openly or secretly supported, invited, or downright put in place because one way or another they served American interests (read : $$$), this diplomatic buffoonery of declaring Prayut persona non grata on US soil is yet another show of total disgrace. And the guys I'm talking about were real dictators, power-crazy, money-loving, happy to kill, imprison, torture whoever dared to voice opposition of any kind. Nothing to do with what happened here. What Prayut did in this country was save it from running headfirst into the blaze of civil war. If that bomb had actually exploded (and it was near as hell), the US would have done nothing. And yes, the Army did it, because they were the only ones who could. The government did nothing, the police did nothing, the politicians behaved like children, so who else was to intervene ? The hairdressers ? The taxi drivers ? the American embassy ? Give me a break. I was here, I saw with my own eyes where this country was headed at the time. It was scary. I'm not saying that the General is a saint, or that he is perfect, because he's obviously neither, but he did salvage peace, and that is worth some respect. What power will do to him is also another matter. I would not take any bets on that either, because power is, as we all know, a dangerous thing in the hands of any human being and it changes people. But the American attitude towards Thailand at the moment, OMG what.a.pile.of.horse.manure. But then what else to expect ? American diplomacy stinks, always has, and always will apparently. No matter who's 'in charge', the key word is hypocrisy. Edited March 14, 2015 by Yann55 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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