Somsak appeals against dismissal as Thammasat lecturer

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Somsak appeals against dismissal as Thammasat lecturer



BANGKOK: -- Somsak Jeamteerasakul has filed an appeal with the Higher Education Commission against Thammasat University's order which dismissed him as a lecturer in the university's faculty of liberal arts.

Mr Somsak on Monday posted on his Facebook page, saying that he had submitted an appeal against the dismissal order with Dr Kamchorn Tatiyakawi, secretary-general of the Higher Education Commission.

He explained that he had exercised his right to appeal against the “unjust” order.

Thammasat University’s rector Somkit Lertpaithoon — himself a student activist from the same period as Mr Somsak — signed an order dated Feb 23 firing Mr Somsak for gross violation of civil servant discipline.

According to the order, Mr Somsak requested leave of absence to go overseas for academic enhancement from Aug 1, 2014 to July 31, 2015.

The head of his department, however, informed Mr Somsak that since his request had still not been approved six months later he had to return to teaching.

According to the dismissal order, Mr Somsak did not return to work but sent a resignation letter instead.

The university later rejected his request for a leave of absence. This led to his being fired.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/somsak-appeals-against-dismissal-as-thammasat-lecturer


-- Thai PBS 2015-03-17

[Bluespunk]

You want your job? Then show up for work.

[trogers]

Was he enhanced academically?

[geriatrickid]

You want your job? Then show up for work.

When Idi Amin was purging people, he terminated their jobs, and seized their assets. He told them to come to the courts to claim them back. Those foolish enough to do so were never seen again.

[pedro01]

You want your job? Then show up for work.

When Idi Amin was purging people, he terminated their jobs, and seized their assets. He told them to come to the courts to claim them back. Those foolish enough to do so were never seen again.

So you think this man will be "disappeared" if he does come back?

Any evidence that this has happened since Prayut took office?

We know it happened in Thaksins era and before - but you saying that people are disappearing now?

This guy broke the law, fled Thailand and wants to keep his job. That's not the norm in most countries.

[than]

Somsak is a criminal, he must be punish.

[Bluespunk]

You want your job? Then show up for work.

When Idi Amin was purging people, he terminated their jobs, and seized their assets. He told them to come to the courts to claim them back. Those foolish enough to do so were never seen again.

But that isn't happening here is it?

It's not as if this guy is a lawyer defending people the govt doesn't like.

Edited March 17, 2015 by Bluespunk

[Equals]

You want your job? Then show up for work.

...and also, don't lie to your employer:

Somsak requested leave of absence to go overseas for academic enhancement

[Srikcir]

Somsak's firing is purely motivated by Junta politics to suppress opposition.

His leave of absence was nothing out of the ordinary and no reason to deny it. Instead the administration does not act on the request after six months. A request for leave is not a complex matter and he should have been granted leave within days of the request. This is either pure spite or punishement for allegations against him - or both. The subsequent order for him to return to work is pure show as the administation knew he could not return without expecting arrest for Lese Majeste. Again a complete lack of a justified action.

So as not to lose his pension, he then requested resignation which would have preserved his pension. Again that should not have been an issue if he was properly invested. But for the self-contrived excuse that he refused to return to work, he was fired; thus, terminating his pension. The message is that when one is thought to have committed Lese Majeste, you can expect the harshest treatment that has no reality in justice.

The administration's actions may actually radicalize Somsak and others like him further to openly oppose the Junta regime and its supporters with greater efefctiveness. You know the whole "acorn and Oak tree" thing. When you take everything away from somebody for their resistence, they either capitulate or have no further hesitantcy to increase resistence. We may hear further from Somsak in more harsh criticism and actions towards the Junta.

[than]

Somsak's firing is purely motivated by Junta politics to suppress opposition.

His leave of absence was nothing out of the ordinary and no reason to deny it. Instead the administration does not act on the request after six months. A request for leave is not a complex matter and he should have been granted leave within days of the request. This is either pure spite or punishement for allegations against him - or both. The subsequent order for him to return to work is pure show as the administation knew he could not return without expecting arrest for Lese Majeste. Again a complete lack of a justified action.

So as not to lose his pension, he then requested resignation which would have preserved his pension. Again that should not have been an issue if he was properly invested. But for the self-contrived excuse that he refused to return to work, he was fired; thus, terminating his pension. The message is that when one is thought to have committed Lese Majeste, you can expect the harshest treatment that has no reality in justice.

The administration's actions may actually radicalize Somsak and others like him further to openly oppose the Junta regime and its supporters with greater efefctiveness. You know the whole "acorn and Oak tree" thing. When you take everything away from somebody for their resistence, they either capitulate or have no further hesitantcy to increase resistence. We may hear further from Somsak in more harsh criticism and actions towards the Junta.

He flee Thailand, because he commit crime against the country..................

An innocent people not flee his country, he fight accusation in court.....

Somsak, Taksin same combat, two coward criminal

[geriatrickid]

He flee Thailand, because he commit crime against the country..................

An innocent people not flee his country, he fight accusation in court.....

Somsak, Taksin same combat, two coward criminal

What crime was he found guilty of? In Thailand it is next to impossible to defend against a charge of lèse majesté.

Do you deny that the Professor received death threats and attacks?

Prachatai describes his attackers as presumably Royalists who were upset with his raising questions from a scholarly perspective and his criticism of the lèse majesté law as a means to suppress dissent. The charges were brought by the army.

You should read some of the professor's academic papers. Nothing advocating violence or criminal activity. Rather, they are comparative arguments about the misuse of the law.

[geriatrickid]

You want your job? Then show up for work.

When Idi Amin was purging people, he terminated their jobs, and seized their assets. He told them to come to the courts to claim them back. Those foolish enough to do so were never seen again.

So you think this man will be "disappeared" if he does come back?

Any evidence that this has happened since Prayut took office?

We know it happened in Thaksins era and before - but you saying that people are disappearing now?

This guy broke the law, fled Thailand and wants to keep his job. That's not the norm in most countries.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/809172-witness-of-2010-temple-crackdown-deaths-abducted-by-military/

I haven't said the gov't is killing anyone. In respect to the disappearance of people during the Thaksin period of time, the army was accused in the disappearances weren't they? I believe they were cleared as was the Thaksin administration, of wrongdoing. However, if you wish to go back to the 70's and earlier period, I think you will find some interesting history.

Edited March 17, 2015 by geriatrickid

[tbthailand]

You want your job? Then show up for work.

and get arrested...

[tbthailand]

Somsak's firing is purely motivated by Junta politics to suppress opposition.

His leave of absence was nothing out of the ordinary and no reason to deny it. Instead the administration does not act on the request after six months. A request for leave is not a complex matter and he should have been granted leave within days of the request. This is either pure spite or punishement for allegations against him - or both. The subsequent order for him to return to work is pure show as the administation knew he could not return without expecting arrest for Lese Majeste. Again a complete lack of a justified action.

So as not to lose his pension, he then requested resignation which would have preserved his pension. Again that should not have been an issue if he was properly invested. But for the self-contrived excuse that he refused to return to work, he was fired; thus, terminating his pension. The message is that when one is thought to have committed Lese Majeste, you can expect the harshest treatment that has no reality in justice.

The administration's actions may actually radicalize Somsak and others like him further to openly oppose the Junta regime and its supporters with greater efefctiveness. You know the whole "acorn and Oak tree" thing. When you take everything away from somebody for their resistence, they either capitulate or have no further hesitantcy to increase resistence. We may hear further from Somsak in more harsh criticism and actions towards the Junta.

He flee Thailand, because he commit crime against the country..................

An innocent people not flee his country, he fight accusation in court.....

Somsak, Taksin same combat, two coward criminal

tell us, what crime did he commit?

Please go into detail...

Thank you.

[LuckyLew]

He flee Thailand, because he commit crime against the country..................

An innocent people not flee his country, he fight accusation in court.....

Somsak, Taksin same combat, two coward criminal

What crime was he found guilty of? In Thailand it is next to impossible to defend against a charge of lèse majesté.

Do you deny that the Professor received death threats and attacks?

Prachatai describes his attackers as presumably Royalists who were upset with his raising questions from a scholarly perspective and his criticism of the lèse majesté law as a means to suppress dissent. The charges were brought by the army.

You should read some of the professor's academic papers. Nothing advocating violence or criminal activity. Rather, they are comparative arguments about the misuse of the law.

If he had stayed he would have been charged

If he returns he will be charged

He is fleeing justice

[tbthailand]

You want your job? Then show up for work.

When Idi Amin was purging people, he terminated their jobs, and seized their assets. He told them to come to the courts to claim them back. Those foolish enough to do so were never seen again.

So you think this man will be "disappeared" if he does come back?

Any evidence that this has happened since Prayut took office?

We know it happened in Thaksins era and before - but you saying that people are disappearing now?

This guy broke the law, fled Thailand and wants to keep his job. That's not the norm in most countries.

2 points - which laws were broken? and did you not understand that after seeking a sabbatical, he resigned, and that the university did not allow him to resign? And do you understand that they then fired him? And that was done by the rector who is a military junta constitution drafter?

Which brings us full circle to the question about which laws were broken, doesn't it?

[LuckyLew]

You want your job? Then show up for work.

When Idi Amin was purging people, he terminated their jobs, and seized their assets. He told them to come to the courts to claim them back. Those foolish enough to do so were never seen again.

So you think this man will be "disappeared" if he does come back?

Any evidence that this has happened since Prayut took office?

We know it happened in Thaksins era and before - but you saying that people are disappearing now?

This guy broke the law, fled Thailand and wants to keep his job. That's not the norm in most countries.

2 points - which laws were broken? and did you not understand that after seeking a sabbatical, he resigned, and that the university did not allow him to resign? And do you understand that they then fired him? And that was done by the rector who is a military junta constitution drafter?

Which brings us full circle to the question about which laws were broken, doesn't it?

Accused if Lese Majeste ... that is a law

[tbthailand]

He flee Thailand, because he commit crime against the country..................

An innocent people not flee his country, he fight accusation in court.....

Somsak, Taksin same combat, two coward criminal

What crime was he found guilty of? In Thailand it is next to impossible to defend against a charge of lèse majesté.

Do you deny that the Professor received death threats and attacks?

Prachatai describes his attackers as presumably Royalists who were upset with his raising questions from a scholarly perspective and his criticism of the lèse majesté law as a means to suppress dissent. The charges were brought by the army.

You should read some of the professor's academic papers. Nothing advocating violence or criminal activity. Rather, they are comparative arguments about the misuse of the law.

If he had stayed he would have been charged

If he returns he will be charged

He is fleeing justice

wow, you guys are amazing.

so if he is fleeing "justice", as you so quaintly put it, why will no other country in the world ever extradite him to Thailand?

Please, pull your collective heads out of the sand regarding LM...

[LuckyLew]

He flee Thailand, because he commit crime against the country..................

An innocent people not flee his country, he fight accusation in court.....

Somsak, Taksin same combat, two coward criminal

What crime was he found guilty of? In Thailand it is next to impossible to defend against a charge of lèse majesté.

Do you deny that the Professor received death threats and attacks?

Prachatai describes his attackers as presumably Royalists who were upset with his raising questions from a scholarly perspective and his criticism of the lèse majesté law as a means to suppress dissent. The charges were brought by the army.

You should read some of the professor's academic papers. Nothing advocating violence or criminal activity. Rather, they are comparative arguments about the misuse of the law.

If he had stayed he would have been charged

If he returns he will be charged

He is fleeing justice

wow, you guys are amazing.

so if he is fleeing "justice", as you so quaintly put it, why will no other country in the world ever extradite him to Thailand?

Please, pull your collective heads out of the sand regarding LM...

Has a request for extradition been requested?

[Bluespunk]

You want your job? Then show up for work.

and get arrested...

That's a possibility for sure. However that is not of his employers doing. They, possibly under pressure, have not granted him leave. Therefore he has left work.

Is this fair? No, no it's not.

But if he is hoping to keep a job, he needs to do it.

[heybruce]

He flee Thailand, because he commit crime against the country..................

An innocent people not flee his country, he fight accusation in court.....

Somsak, Taksin same combat, two coward criminal

What crime was he found guilty of? In Thailand it is next to impossible to defend against a charge of lèse majesté.

Do you deny that the Professor received death threats and attacks?

Prachatai describes his attackers as presumably Royalists who were upset with his raising questions from a scholarly perspective and his criticism of the lèse majesté law as a means to suppress dissent. The charges were brought by the army.

You should read some of the professor's academic papers. Nothing advocating violence or criminal activity. Rather, they are comparative arguments about the misuse of the law.

If he had stayed he would have been charged

If he returns he will be charged

He is fleeing justice

Not everyone thinks that fleeing a military government, martial law, detention without charge, and a possible secret LM trial is the same thing as fleeing justice.

[BritTim]

You want your job? Then show up for work.

and get arrested...

That's a possibility for sure. However that is not of his employers doing. They, possibly under pressure, have not granted him leave. Therefore he has left work.

Is this fair? No, no it's not.

But if he is hoping to keep a job, he needs to do it.

He was told "leave of absence denied, return to work". Somsak replied "I prefer to resign". He was told "resignation rejected, return to work", followed by "we sack you for not returning to work as instructed". Whatever you think about the LM law, this was unfair treatment.

[tbthailand]

You want your job? Then show up for work.

and get arrested...

That's a possibility for sure. However that is not of his employers doing. They, possibly under pressure, have not granted him leave. Therefore he has left work.

Is this fair? No, no it's not.

But if he is hoping to keep a job, he needs to do it.

First he asked for a sabbatical, that was denied

Then he asked to resign, that was denied

Then he was fired for not reporting to work... BTW, this caused him to lose his retirement after teaching his whole life at the university...

So as an outspoken opponent of Art 112, he was accused of LM under the junta. The man's rector at the university who fired him is one of the junta's hand-picked constitution writers. It's not about "fair" or "not fair". It's just about persecution ...

[trogers]

You want your job? Then show up for work.

and get arrested...

That's a possibility for sure. However that is not of his employers doing. They, possibly under pressure, have not granted him leave. Therefore he has left work.

Is this fair? No, no it's not.

But if he is hoping to keep a job, he needs to do it.

First he asked for a sabbatical, that was denied

Then he asked to resign, that was denied

Then he was fired for not reporting to work... BTW, this caused him to lose his retirement after teaching his whole life at the university...

So as an outspoken opponent of Art 112, he was accused of LM under the junta. The man's rector at the university who fired him is one of the junta's hand-picked constitution writers. It's not about "fair" or "not fair". It's just about persecution ...

So, more supporting evidence to apply for asylum where he is, and a teaching post at Oxford.