Red shirts event 'needs permission', NCPO says

[oneday]

Should be no problem with them asking permission. That's reasonable. What I'd like to know is if permission is granted...that will say a lot about the future.

"...may violate NCPO order number 3/2558 and Article 44 of the interim charter..."

555...everything will violate Article 44.

[mikemac]

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So the leaders of the democratic movement that has easily won every election held this century want to meet to make merit and remember their comrades who were slain by the military whilst protesting for freedom and democracy in 2010 and the junta - military government who overthrew this democracy want to stop this merit making ceremony using the draconian, anti freedom and anti democratic section 44 of their interim constitution? What a surprise.

That wins the all time TV award for total and absolute bullshit, and lack of truth.

So you have read every single post on TVF to come to that conclusion?

I think you've just snatched the award after a recount!!!!

Oh come on Fatty, lighten up. That amazing comment was pretty "far fetched".

And you cannot hand out the award either, unless you have read every comment ever posted on TVF.

[djjamie]

Red shirt leader Nattawut Saikua said his group's objective in meeting the Department of Special Investigation on Tuesday was to ensure that the probe into the crackdown would continue in a transparent and fair manner.

This is the first time I have seen a man want to make his own noose.

What he wants to ensure is that the investigation would continue in a manner that will allow him to be absolved of all responsibility and his terrorism charges dropped.

[djjamie]

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So the leaders of the democratic movement that has easily won every election held this century want to meet to make merit and remember their comrades who were slain by the military whilst protesting for freedom and democracy in 2010 and the junta - military government who overthrew this democracy want to stop this merit making ceremony using the draconian, anti freedom and anti democratic section 44 of their interim constitution? What a surprise.

That wins the all time TV award for total and absolute bullshit, and lack of truth.

......................."That wins the all time TV award for total and absolute bullshit, and lack of truth."...........................

despite some very stiff opposition !

With that speech he would have been the perfect candidate to follow up yinglucks democracy speech in Mongolia...

Priceless.

[jayboy]

I would say that the chances of the Red Shirts getting permission to remind everyone of their failed soft coup attempt are somewhere between 'Slim' and none and last I heard, 'Slim' just left town. They are still playing the sympathy card. The same one Ms. Yingluck is playing. You don't try to overthrow a legitimate government with an armed mob and taking over the main retail area of Bangkok and then cry when you are ousted after, how long was it? Oh, yeah, three months; especially when the then PM Abhisit offered early elections which is supposedly what they gathered for in the first place.

a misinterpretation of the truth if ever there was one

What these one track right wing foreigners can never explain is why the people of Thailand after 2010 gave the political party associated with the red shirts a resounding victory at the polls.

[JOC]

Love threads like this. "The debate" consists of opposing sides repeating their respective mantras. Nobody is listening.

To make life easier for my fellow posters, please allow me to introduce a tool that will save a lot of time at the keyboards.

Just copy and post!!

[Pimay1]

I would say that the chances of the Red Shirts getting permission to remind everyone of their failed soft coup attempt are somewhere between 'Slim' and none and last I heard, 'Slim' just left town. They are still playing the sympathy card. The same one Ms. Yingluck is playing. You don't try to overthrow a legitimate government with an armed mob and taking over the main retail area of Bangkok and then cry when you are ousted after, how long was it? Oh, yeah, three months; especially when the then PM Abhisit offered early elections which is supposedly what they gathered for in the first place.

a misinterpretation of the truth if ever there was one

What these one track right wing foreigners can never explain is why the people of Thailand after 2010 gave the political party associated with the red shirts a resounding victory at the polls.

I'm not a one track right wing foreigner by any means but one of the reasons is the Democrats were not allowed to campaign in the red shirt strongholds for fear of attacks and bodily harm..

[maxme]

.............."Red shirt leader Nattawut Saikua said his group's objective in meeting the Department of Special Investigation on Tuesday was to ensure that the probe into the crackdown would continue in a transparent and fair manner.".........................

Sick and tired of hearing about the "crackdown" on the actions of armed terrorists who used innocent yet naive citizens as human shields. Entering the city and holding it to ransom breaking every law in the book, attacking the army and expecting to get away with it because they were "peaceful protesters".

In an other country it would have gone on for nowhere near 3 months and the fatality rate would have been much higher.

How about going to the root of the problem and probing the one/s who organized and funded this terrible display of spite and revenge ?

The redshirts have never done anything good for Thailand, only caused death and destruction of public and private property. They should be banned along with any other "shirt wearing" political protesters who use violence to further their gains.

I wasn't hanging out here last spring, but I have to wonder if you were voicing the same concerns about suthep and his protests, or .... not.

Comparing the red shirts revolts to suthep's marches is like comparing al-qaeda to the suffragette movement.

Yes Suthep has surely the best intentions for the Thai people and foreigners. You need to stop listening to biased individuals and start thinking on your own, buddy.

[jayboy]

I would say that the chances of the Red Shirts getting permission to remind everyone of their failed soft coup attempt are somewhere between 'Slim' and none and last I heard, 'Slim' just left town. They are still playing the sympathy card. The same one Ms. Yingluck is playing. You don't try to overthrow a legitimate government with an armed mob and taking over the main retail area of Bangkok and then cry when you are ousted after, how long was it? Oh, yeah, three months; especially when the then PM Abhisit offered early elections which is supposedly what they gathered for in the first place.

a misinterpretation of the truth if ever there was one

What these one track right wing foreigners can never explain is why the people of Thailand after 2010 gave the political party associated with the red shirts a resounding victory at the polls.

I'm not a one track right wing foreigner by any means but one of the reasons is the Democrats were not allowed to campaign in the red shirt strongholds for fear of attacks and bodily harm..

That's a new one - in great contrast to the friendly welcome the PTP received in the Democrat Southern feudal constituencies.But - until now - nobody has seriously suggested it distorted the reality of a very convincing victory for the PTP nationwide.

[mikemac]

I would say that the chances of the Red Shirts getting permission to remind everyone of their failed soft coup attempt are somewhere between 'Slim' and none and last I heard, 'Slim' just left town. They are still playing the sympathy card. The same one Ms. Yingluck is playing. You don't try to overthrow a legitimate government with an armed mob and taking over the main retail area of Bangkok and then cry when you are ousted after, how long was it? Oh, yeah, three months; especially when the then PM Abhisit offered early elections which is supposedly what they gathered for in the first place.

a misinterpretation of the truth if ever there was one

What these one track right wing foreigners can never explain is why the people of Thailand after 2010 gave the political party associated with the red shirts a resounding victory at the polls.

OK, I call foul !

jayboy is quoting straight from the "Little Red Book of Propaganda".

[mikemac]

.............."Red shirt leader Nattawut Saikua said his group's objective in meeting the Department of Special Investigation on Tuesday was to ensure that the probe into the crackdown would continue in a transparent and fair manner.".........................

Sick and tired of hearing about the "crackdown" on the actions of armed terrorists who used innocent yet naive citizens as human shields. Entering the city and holding it to ransom breaking every law in the book, attacking the army and expecting to get away with it because they were "peaceful protesters".

In an other country it would have gone on for nowhere near 3 months and the fatality rate would have been much higher.

How about going to the root of the problem and probing the one/s who organized and funded this terrible display of spite and revenge ?

The redshirts have never done anything good for Thailand, only caused death and destruction of public and private property. They should be banned along with any other "shirt wearing" political protesters who use violence to further their gains.

I wasn't hanging out here last spring, but I have to wonder if you were voicing the same concerns about suthep and his protests, or .... not.

Comparing the red shirts revolts to suthep's marches is like comparing al-qaeda to the suffragette movement.

Yes Suthep has surely the best intentions for the Thai people and foreigners. You need to stop listening to biased individuals and start thinking on your own, buddy.

Let's hope he does not start listening to you max or he will really be in trouble.

[Fat Haggis]

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So the leaders of the democratic movement that has easily won every election held this century want to meet to make merit and remember their comrades who were slain by the military whilst protesting for freedom and democracy in 2010 and the junta - military government who overthrew this democracy want to stop this merit making ceremony using the draconian, anti freedom and anti democratic section 44 of their interim constitution? What a surprise.

That wins the all time TV award for total and absolute bullshit, and lack of truth.

......................."That wins the all time TV award for total and absolute bullshit, and lack of truth."...........................

despite some very stiff opposition !

With that speech he would have been the perfect candidate to follow up yinglucks democracy speech in Mongolia...

Priceless.

Oh I dunno Jamie, your 7% and 15 Principals of democracy are right up there amongst the winners too

[laubau]

.............."Red shirt leader Nattawut Saikua said his group's objective in meeting the Department of Special Investigation on Tuesday was to ensure that the probe into the crackdown would continue in a transparent and fair manner.".........................

Sick and tired of hearing about the "crackdown" on the actions of armed terrorists who used innocent yet naive citizens as human shields. Entering the city and holding it to ransom breaking every law in the book, attacking the army and expecting to get away with it because they were "peaceful protesters".

In an other country it would have gone on for nowhere near 3 months and the fatality rate would have been much higher.

How about going to the root of the problem and probing the one/s who organized and funded this terrible display of spite and revenge ?

The redshirts have never done anything good for Thailand, only caused death and destruction of public and private property. They should be banned along with any other "shirt wearing" political protesters who use violence to further their gains.

I wasn't hanging out here last spring, but I have to wonder if you were voicing the same concerns about suthep and his protests, or .... not.

Comparing the red shirts revolts to suthep's marches is like comparing al-qaeda to the suffragette movement.

Yes Suthep has surely the best intentions for the Thai people and foreigners. You need to stop listening to biased individuals and start thinking on your own, buddy.

Suthep and the Yellow shirts were peaceful? Have a clue! I saw numerous foreigners and Thais beat up at their Bangkok sit-ins. I also remember photos of Yellow shirts shooting at police when they were trying to remove the protesters from the bridge! There are also many other examples. Suthep was also very corrupt when he was in Surat Thani politics as explained by his own staff members. Check this out in Wikipedia and other places. Thaksin and Yingluck won because they have done more for the poor people than any PM since the 1950's. The yellow shirts call this vote buying but when the current government gave money recently to all the people who grow rice and own 15 rai or less this was not called vote buying. Explain this to me you clueless fools who constantly blow smoke!!

[Baerboxer]

So the leaders of the democratic movement that has easily won every election held this century want to meet to make merit and remember their comrades who were slain by the military whilst protesting for freedom and democracy in 2010 and the junta - military government who overthrew this democracy want to stop this merit making ceremony using the draconian, anti freedom and anti democratic section 44 of their interim constitution? What a surprise.

Your post reads like the sort of rhetoric the East European "Democratic People's Democracies" used to spew out - and their leaders had zero interest in democracy or anything else other than enriching themselves through nepotism and corruption. Just like the Shins and their supporters.

[jayboy]

I would say that the chances of the Red Shirts getting permission to remind everyone of their failed soft coup attempt are somewhere between 'Slim' and none and last I heard, 'Slim' just left town. They are still playing the sympathy card. The same one Ms. Yingluck is playing. You don't try to overthrow a legitimate government with an armed mob and taking over the main retail area of Bangkok and then cry when you are ousted after, how long was it? Oh, yeah, three months; especially when the then PM Abhisit offered early elections which is supposedly what they gathered for in the first place.

a misinterpretation of the truth if ever there was one

What these one track right wing foreigners can never explain is why the people of Thailand after 2010 gave the political party associated with the red shirts a resounding victory at the polls.

OK, I call foul !

jayboy is quoting straight from the "Little Red Book of Propaganda".

The endorsement of the PTP ( the party associated with the red shirts) in a general election is a matter of record - nothing to do with propaganda.

It's awkward for some I know.

[wabothai]

I hope you all remember our plea for democracy.

[Fat Haggis]

It's just a colour swap of snouts in the trough, yellow to green to red to green

[lewy67]

Got just about every extreme right wing, junta loving tv contributor to comment, but offer zero rebuttal, all in the same thread.

But the truth is in the answers -

Who has won every election this century?

Who wants to make merit in commemoration of their fellow travelers who were killed/murdered in 2010?

Who overthrew democracy 11 months ago?

Is section 44 of the interim constitution pro freedom and pro democracy?

​Maybe you can all stop practicing your goosestepping for long enough to offer some answers and I must say that I'm touched to have all the fascists on the long line at the one time

Your post reads like the sort of rhetoric the East European "Democratic People's Democracies" used to spew out - and their leaders had zero interest in democracy or anything else other than enriching themselves through nepotism and corruption. Just like the Shins and their supporters.

With that speech he would have been the perfect candidate to follow up yinglucks democracy speech in Mongolia...

......................."That wins the all time TV award for total and absolute bullshit, and lack of truth."...........................

despite some very stiff opposition !

That wins the all time TV award for total and absolute bullshit, and lack of truth.

[Fat Haggis]

Just as Many farangs and Thais believe that Thaksin is the Devils incarnation itself and cannot accept that he's not alone in the world of corruption.

They believe what they want to, some people even believe that a man born 2015 years ago in the Middle East was whiter than Michael Jackson and that 2 penguins and 2 polar bears walked all the way to the Middle East again to get into a big wooden boat when it rained pretty hard.

Thaksin is just a tosser who took corruption to a higher level, doesn't matter if your corruption just involved a couple of million or billions, it's still corruption.

It's like saying after being caught over the limit for drunk driving, " yes but I was just over the limit" !!

bottom lines it doesn't change the fact you are a drunk driver !! ?

[tbthailand]

.............."Red shirt leader Nattawut Saikua said his group's objective in meeting the Department of Special Investigation on Tuesday was to ensure that the probe into the crackdown would continue in a transparent and fair manner.".........................

Sick and tired of hearing about the "crackdown" on the actions of armed terrorists who used innocent yet naive citizens as human shields. Entering the city and holding it to ransom breaking every law in the book, attacking the army and expecting to get away with it because they were "peaceful protesters".

In an other country it would have gone on for nowhere near 3 months and the fatality rate would have been much higher.

How about going to the root of the problem and probing the one/s who organized and funded this terrible display of spite and revenge ?

The redshirts have never done anything good for Thailand, only caused death and destruction of public and private property. They should be banned along with any other "shirt wearing" political protesters who use violence to further their gains.

I wasn't hanging out here last spring, but I have to wonder if you were voicing the same concerns about suthep and his protests, or .... not.

I have never supported violent actions by any side, red or yellow. The actions of Thaksin's army of terrorists in the "Great 2010 Reprisal" and the Suthep led protests were completely different scenarios. Any one with even limited mentality who has spent any time in Thailand in the past 5 years can see that.

If the Suthep mob carried on the same as the red rabble did I would attack them as well.

It seems what happened in 2010 was legal protesting by the reds and what Suthep's followers did was against the law. Could never understand that way of thinking.

You are hoping I am a rabid yellow flag waving elite royalist Amart hypocrite who would attack the reds but defend the yellows but you are to be disappointed. Having said that you will probably portray me in that light anyway.

I am not a Democrat supporter nor do I support the current regime, although I can't help but notice the reds have stopped killing innocent protesters in the streets and the Suthep side has stopped their protests so at least something good has come from the coup. We will never know how many more people would have died on the streets if the PTP were still running ??? the show.

Your only argument to defend your reds is whether or not I defend the yellows.

You are looking for for an easy target to pick on, look somewhere else.

I have never supported violent actions by any side, red or yellow.

so we start with a point of agreement. That's good. Let's take the next step...

You second point,

The actions of Thaksin's army of terrorists in the "Great 2010 Reprisal" and the Suthep led protests were completely different scenarios.

well, leave aside the bias already present in your description, and no, the protests were not terribly different in many many ways. One common point is that the vast majority of people on the streets were there because of what they believed in.

And as far as their leaders go, it can be said that both sides had the same kind of frontmen+backers. 2014 was Suthep and his Elite support (there were many, but several were key figures. 2010 was the UDD leadership with Thaksin in the background. I guess the only difference there was that Thaksin wasn't really hiding his support where as certain elites/ military pretended to not be the people behind Suthep...

As for being armed, there were armed - very well armed - people among the protesters in 2013/14 just as there were in 2010. These same people used RPGs in 2013/14 as in 2010. These same people shot at security forces (and killed them) in 2013/14 and in 2010.

Are you with me so far? Do you agree? There is plenty of reporting on both sets of protests, so verifying it isn't too hard.

Now, for me, the biggest difference is the reaction of the government in 2013/14 and 2010. Clearly, and I mean CLEARLY, the government reaction in 2010 was much, much, much more violent. Just take the army in 2010 - they killed more protesters, aid workers and journalists in a period of days than either set of protesters have killed this century...

Think about that... the numbers are all publicly available...

Now, another point in common was that both sets of protests were trying to bring about a change of government. I imagine that we agree on that.

For me, there is a clear difference in the means of doing that - 2010 was always a call for elections (yes, I know that the offer for "early" elections 6 months later was rejected and that could be an entire different discussion) and 2013/14 was always an anti-election call for non-constitutional measures to change the government... Suthep called for military intervention before the end of 2013.

So that is a big, big, difference.

I guess the thing that gets my goat are the people who will go overboard in demonizing the red shirts and not even whisper a condemnation of the violence of the other side and in particular, of the army...

But I guess you could do that since you started with...

I have never supported violent actions by any side, red or yellow.

[scorecard]

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What these one track right wing foreigners can never explain is why the people of Thailand after 2010 gave the political party associated with the red shirts a resounding victory at the polls.

I guess your out of any new arguments if you have to rebirth that one jayboy.

[jayboy]

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What these one track right wing foreigners can never explain is why the people of Thailand after 2010 gave the political party associated with the red shirts a resounding victory at the polls.

I guess your out of any new arguments if you have to rebirth that one jayboy.

It's not an argument simply a reminder of the truth.When given a choice the people of Thailand took a decision which for the usual suspects simply doesn't compute, namely they expressed a preference for a party associated with Thaksin and the red shirts.That's why (to cut a complex story short) a coup was necessary.The Thai people cannot be trusted and need guidance from self appointed good people.

I make no comment simply drawing attention to some hard facts.As Galileo said when the Roman Catholic Church castigated him for saying the earth moved round the sun "but still it moves".

[rametindallas]

I would say that the chances of the Red Shirts getting permission to remind everyone of their failed soft coup attempt are somewhere between 'Slim' and none and last I heard, 'Slim' just left town. They are still playing the sympathy card. The same one Ms. Yingluck is playing. You don't try to overthrow a legitimate government with an armed mob and taking over the main retail area of Bangkok and then cry when you are ousted after, how long was it? Oh, yeah, three months; especially when the then PM Abhisit offered early elections which is supposedly what they gathered for in the first place.

a misinterpretation of the truth if ever there was one

Can you please give us your interpretation of the truth? Obviously you know the truth.

I may not always know the 'truth', as you seem to, but I do know a lie when I read/see one and we know who 'overthrew' a government and the whole world knows so stop lying?

It seems that reading comprehension in not you strong suit. I wrote that the Red Shirt armed mob 'tried' to overthrow the legitimate Abhisit government. They failed and are still crying about it. Any discussions of other events are OFF TOPIC and irrelevant. To this day, the Red Shirt/UDD are trying to portray themselves as the victims in the 2010 attempted soft coup when everyone knows it was initiated/paid for by Dr. Thaksin when his ill-gotten gains were confiscated. The Red Shirt/UDD are NOT victims but Perpetrators and traitors to Thailand for their uncritical support and violent behavior in support of the fugitive felon ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra. That must have been some strong Kool-Ade you drank that you are still defending that evil creature. The criminal traitor, Thaksin, is never coming back to Thailand and it's past time you and the other sycophants realize this fact and get a life. Try pulling for Thailand to succeed and not some fugitive felon to get back in power to murder and plunder again.

[tbthailand]

a misinterpretation of the truth if ever there was one

Can you please give us your interpretation of the truth? Obviously you know the truth.

I may not always know the 'truth', as you seem to, but I do know a lie when I read/see one and we know who 'overthrew' a government and the whole world knows so stop lying?

It seems that reading comprehension in not you strong suit. I wrote that the Red Shirt armed mob 'tried' to overthrow the legitimate Abhisit government. They failed and are still crying about it. Any discussions of other events are OFF TOPIC and irrelevant. To this day, the Red Shirt/UDD are trying to portray themselves as the victims in the 2010 attempted soft coup when everyone knows it was initiated/paid for by Dr. Thaksin when his ill-gotten gains were confiscated. The Red Shirt/UDD are NOT victims but Perpetrators and traitors to Thailand for their uncritical support and violent behavior in support of the fugitive felon ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra. That must have been some strong Kool-Ade you drank that you are still defending that evil creature. The criminal traitor, Thaksin, is never coming back to Thailand and it's past time you and the other sycophants realize this fact and get a life. Try pulling for Thailand to succeed and not some fugitive felon to get back in power to murder and plunder again.

the truth is that Thaksin and the red shirts are not the same thing.

the truth is that the red shirts are the ONLY group in Thailand who consistently call for democracy.

the truth is that in 2010 the red shirts were protesting against a military-installed government.

those are facts, so to use your words, "get a life".

[fasteddie]

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So the leaders of the democratic movement that has easily won every election held this century want to meet to make merit and remember their comrades who were slain by the military whilst protesting for freedom and democracy in 2010 and the junta - military government who overthrew this democracy want to stop this merit making ceremony using the draconian, anti freedom and anti democratic section 44 of their interim constitution? What a surprise.

That wins the all time TV award for total and absolute bullshit, and lack of truth.

......................."That wins the all time TV award for total and absolute bullshit, and lack of truth."...........................

despite some very stiff opposition !

Yeah from you!

[rametindallas]

I may not always know the 'truth', as you seem to, but I do know a lie when I read/see one and we know who 'overthrew' a government and the whole world knows so stop lying?

It seems that reading comprehension in not you strong suit. I wrote that the Red Shirt armed mob 'tried' to overthrow the legitimate Abhisit government. They failed and are still crying about it. Any discussions of other events are OFF TOPIC and irrelevant. To this day, the Red Shirt/UDD are trying to portray themselves as the victims in the 2010 attempted soft coup when everyone knows it was initiated/paid for by Dr. Thaksin when his ill-gotten gains were confiscated. The Red Shirt/UDD are NOT victims but Perpetrators and traitors to Thailand for their uncritical support and violent behavior in support of the fugitive felon ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra. That must have been some strong Kool-Ade you drank that you are still defending that evil creature. The criminal traitor, Thaksin, is never coming back to Thailand and it's past time you and the other sycophants realize this fact and get a life. Try pulling for Thailand to succeed and not some fugitive felon to get back in power to murder and plunder again.

the truth is that Thaksin and the red shirts are not the same thing.

the truth is that the red shirts are the ONLY group in Thailand who consistently call for democracy.

the truth is that in 2010 the red shirts were protesting against a military-installed government.

those are facts, so to use your words, "get a life".

After his ouster in 2006, he (Thaksin) began employing (paying) his Moaist led, Marxist indoctrinated mob simply called the “red shirts.” Officially they are called the UDD or the National United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship. The cogs at work here are best explained by Therdpoum Chaidee, a former communist and colleague of current UDD protest leaders, as well as a member of parliament under Thaksin’s now defunct Thai Rak Thai party.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE13Ae01.html

http://www.infowars.com/thailands-thaksin-shinwatra-marxists-and-the-nwo/

I hope it's ignorance on your part and you are not a Thaksin propagandist. From reading your past posts though, I have a suspicion you are a Thaksin propagandists. With all the links supplied to rebut your substantiated claims I find it difficult to believe anyone can be so willfully ignorant of the connection between Thaksin and the UDD/Red Shirts. He chose their leadership and paid their salaries. He paid for the Red Shirts to come to shut down Bangkok and paid them a daily rate to stay. He made nightly speeches broadcast, from who knows where, exhorting them to fight for 'democracy' which is Red Shirt lingo for a Thaksin dictatorship. You are correct that Thaksin and the Red Shirts are not the same thing; one is the boss and the others are soldiers following the boss's orders. Yes, the Red Shirts consistently call for 'democracy' but they have been told that democracy is simply the tyranny of the majority. Ask a Red Shirt what democracy is and he/she cannot tell you. Here is some of what was said on a nightly basis on the Red Shirt stage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqZ6ejEbcPo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K6bGlnirgk

[metisdead]

Inflammatory posts have been removed.

[mikemac]

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So the leaders of the democratic movement that has easily won every election held this century want to meet to make merit and remember their comrades who were slain by the military whilst protesting for freedom and democracy in 2010 and the junta - military government who overthrew this democracy want to stop this merit making ceremony using the draconian, anti freedom and anti democratic section 44 of their interim constitution? What a surprise.

That wins the all time TV award for total and absolute bullshit, and lack of truth.

......................."That wins the all time TV award for total and absolute bullshit, and lack of truth."...........................

despite some very stiff opposition !

Yeah from you!

So the truth does hurt.

Sorry if I hurt you.

[LannaGuy]

It seems that reading comprehension in not you strong suit. I wrote that the Red Shirt armed mob 'tried' to overthrow the legitimate Abhisit government. They failed and are still crying about it. Any discussions of other events are OFF TOPIC and irrelevant. To this day, the Red Shirt/UDD are trying to portray themselves as the victims in the 2010 attempted soft coup when everyone knows it was initiated/paid for by Dr. Thaksin when his ill-gotten gains were confiscated. The Red Shirt/UDD are NOT victims but Perpetrators and traitors to Thailand for their uncritical support and violent behavior in support of the fugitive felon ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra. That must have been some strong Kool-Ade you drank that you are still defending that evil creature. The criminal traitor, Thaksin, is never coming back to Thailand and it's past time you and the other sycophants realize this fact and get a life. Try pulling for Thailand to succeed and not some fugitive felon to get back in power to murder and plunder again.

nothing to do with thaksin my biased friend he is just used as propaganda to justify the military take-over. I am sure, reading your posts, that you will never get this

[tbthailand]

It seems that reading comprehension in not you strong suit. I wrote that the Red Shirt armed mob 'tried' to overthrow the legitimate Abhisit government. They failed and are still crying about it. Any discussions of other events are OFF TOPIC and irrelevant. To this day, the Red Shirt/UDD are trying to portray themselves as the victims in the 2010 attempted soft coup when everyone knows it was initiated/paid for by Dr. Thaksin when his ill-gotten gains were confiscated. The Red Shirt/UDD are NOT victims but Perpetrators and traitors to Thailand for their uncritical support and violent behavior in support of the fugitive felon ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra. That must have been some strong Kool-Ade you drank that you are still defending that evil creature. The criminal traitor, Thaksin, is never coming back to Thailand and it's past time you and the other sycophants realize this fact and get a life. Try pulling for Thailand to succeed and not some fugitive felon to get back in power to murder and plunder again.

the truth is that Thaksin and the red shirts are not the same thing.

the truth is that the red shirts are the ONLY group in Thailand who consistently call for democracy.

the truth is that in 2010 the red shirts were protesting against a military-installed government.

those are facts, so to use your words, "get a life".

After his ouster in 2006, he (Thaksin) began employing (paying) his Moaist led, Marxist indoctrinated mob simply called the “red shirts.” Officially they are called the UDD or the National United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship. The cogs at work here are best explained by Therdpoum Chaidee, a former communist and colleague of current UDD protest leaders, as well as a member of parliament under Thaksin’s now defunct Thai Rak Thai party.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE13Ae01.html

http://www.infowars.com/thailands-thaksin-shinwatra-marxists-and-the-nwo/

I hope it's ignorance on your part and you are not a Thaksin propagandist. From reading your past posts though, I have a suspicion you are a Thaksin propagandists. With all the links supplied to rebut your substantiated claims I find it difficult to believe anyone can be so willfully ignorant of the connection between Thaksin and the UDD/Red Shirts. He chose their leadership and paid their salaries. He paid for the Red Shirts to come to shut down Bangkok and paid them a daily rate to stay. He made nightly speeches broadcast, from who knows where, exhorting them to fight for 'democracy' which is Red Shirt lingo for a Thaksin dictatorship. You are correct that Thaksin and the Red Shirts are not the same thing; one is the boss and the others are soldiers following the boss's orders. Yes, the Red Shirts consistently call for 'democracy' but they have been told that democracy is simply the tyranny of the majority. Ask a Red Shirt what democracy is and he/she cannot tell you. Here is some of what was said on a nightly basis on the Red Shirt stage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqZ6ejEbcPo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K6bGlnirgk

From reading your past posts though, I have a suspicion you are a Thaksin propagandists.

I think that it is pretty clear from what I have said here during my time that I don't care about Thaksin. He's not the problem. He's just a player - sure, he is an important (or was) player over the last 15 years, but he is neither the source of all ills in Thailand nor a significant factor in the long-term future of Thailand - that honor belongs to the military institution/elite allies and social movements toward greater democracy, respectively. So, with all due respect, you might want to watch more closely what I say about Thaksin. I think you haven't understood my opinion of the man. (btw, he clearly understood/understands where the real power in Thailand lies. While he was PM he clearly did his best to make sure that the military as an institution would be an ally and not an enemy. He did not succeed, but he was trying like he11)

As for being a paid propagandist, well, all I can say is that I am very familiar with the sources that you link to and I can't take the accusation of "paid propagandist" very seriously. There are many paid propagandists out there and you linked to a couple. Good job

Seriously, it's not my job to change your opinion, but IMO, you would do well to search out a much much wider range of information. There is good and bad in any organization, and such is the case with the red shirts. The red shirts still remain to this day the only social movement in Thailand which consistently calls for democracy and elections.