TM30 - House rent - who has to fill / sign / deliver?

[NanLaew]

I will be filing my next retirement extension at Jomtien in the New Year and assume that a self-filed TM30 will suffice. I rent and the property owner is married and living in Denmark but there's a very good property manager/agent who would probably be happy to do it for me but not required if I can do it myself.

Now, if I pop up to my Udon estate (I have a yellow book on that address), I should drop by the Udon Immi and self-file a TM30 there? Or will that open a can of worms since the assumption is if I have a yellow book, then I must live there. I last entered Thailand about 2 weeks ago so I could always tell them I was living in hotels until I finally came 'home'.

[Maestro]

Immigration's data base would show them if you stayed in hotels, ie if hotels have notified immigration of your arrival.

[NanLaew]

Immigration's data base would show them if you stayed in hotels, ie if hotels have notified immigration of your arrival.

Good point. I have stayed at a couple of hotels where my wife made the reservations and they haven't asked to see my passport.

Beyond supplying the TM28 or TM30 for my next extension, when it comes to in-country excursions, I reckon I will continue to fly below their ineffective radar for now.

[ubonjoe]

Ubonjoe,

That is not what Chiang Mai Immigration is saying, they say she MUST report our visitors to immigration.

Guess the rules are different one province to another?.

As far as taking up residence back in CM after a visit, they are saying 24 hours otherwise a fine, it does not matter if I stay in BK or not it's still 24 hours up here...according to CM immigration

I'm really confused about all of this?

My point about your visitors was how would they know they are staying with you unless they went to immigration for some reason.

The immigration act sets the rules. Immigration Act 2522 en.pdf

"Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned."

How would a hotel report a person within 24 hours of arrival in the country if they stayed someplace else before checking in.

Even saying your wife has to report your arrival at your home every time you leave and return is rubbish.

[Liquorice]

Ubonjoe,

That is not what Chiang Mai Immigration is saying, they say she MUST report our visitors to immigration.

Guess the rules are different one province to another?.

As far as taking up residence back in CM after a visit, they are saying 24 hours otherwise a fine, it does not matter if I stay in BK or not it's still 24 hours up here...according to CM immigration

I'm really confused about all of this?

The law is the same across the Country, as defined by the Immigration Act.

It's how each Offices or Officer applies the laws that causes confusion.

When you enter the Country you complete a TM6 which notifies Immigration of your address.

The hotel or guesthouse manager should notify Immigration of an alien residing at the property. (TM30)

If it's a private address, the house master, owner, or possessor should notify Immigration. (TM30)

A TM28 (change of address) only needs completing if you move to a new permanent address.

If you temporarily stay at a different address then you only need to inform the local Police station within that area.

The house master of that address where you temporary stay though should notify Immigration (TM30)

According to my Immigration office and my own interpretation of the law, if you leave the Country you are in fact deemed to have left your permanent address in Thailand. On return you complete a new TM6 which will notify Immigration of your address and return, but the house master must notify Immigration you have taken up permanent residence at that address again.

If friends from abroad come to stay at your private residence the they should put your address on the TM6, that is the foreigners obligations fulfilled.

The house master where they stay should notify of aliens staying at their address on the TM30.

House master is defined as;

“ House Master ” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act.

Edited November 26, 2015 by Faz

[Liquorice]

Ubonjoe,

That is not what Chiang Mai Immigration is saying, they say she MUST report our visitors to immigration.

Guess the rules are different one province to another?.

As far as taking up residence back in CM after a visit, they are saying 24 hours otherwise a fine, it does not matter if I stay in BK or not it's still 24 hours up here...according to CM immigration

I'm really confused about all of this?

My point about your visitors was how would they know they are staying with you unless they went to immigration for some reason.

The immigration act sets the rules.

"Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned."

How would a hotel report a person within 24 hours of arrival in the country if they stayed someplace else before checking in.

Even saying your wife has to report your arrival at your home every time you leave and return is rubbish.

If the visitor is staying at a friends private residence then he should indicate that on the TM6 so Immigration will be informed.

[casualbiker]

"House master is defined as;

“ House Master ” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act. "

Nakhon Pathom immigration wouldn't accept this about 3 months ago. My wife rents the house we are living in, she has a lease document (land department standard) and she also had a signed copy of the owners ID card.. They refused it, said it HAD to be the Landlady. They also insisted on copies of the landladies house book as well as the rental house book..pain in the bum hole!

Edited November 26, 2015 by casualbiker

[ThaiPauly]

"House master is defined as;

House Master means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act. "

Nakhon Pathom immigration wouldn't accept this about 3 months ago. My wife rents the house we are living in, she has a lease document (land department standard) and she also had a signed copy of the owners ID card.. They refused it, said it HAD to be the Landlady. They also insisted on copies of the landladies house book as well as the rental house book..pain in the bum hole!

As I said before, different provinces , different rules, nothing is crystal clear is it?

I can only take as gospel what the immigration officer in my province says, I am not going to rub him or her up the wrong way by telling them their job.!

UJ, is right in what he says, he quotes the rules, but this is Thailand and we know from a hundred threads on Thai Visa that what is allowed in one province is not allowed in another, bars closing at midnight, no alcohol to be served within a certain distance of a school or temple...it is what it is, we either suck it up or leave...so I will just suck it up