Your Children's Future

[Happy Grumpy]

"Your Children's Future"

The second highest poster is someone that doesn't have children.

Hmmm.

For a reason that is very pertinent to this thread.

Or, can't you see that?

Going for first.

Life without kids sounds exciting.

[KarenBravo]

Life without kids sounds exciting.

Trust me. It is.

[Happy Grumpy]

Evidently, Sire.

[smotherb]

It would be more prudent to prepare your child to earn six figure incomes; to be upper-middle class, rather than simply getting by.

And my point being that your kids attending your average high school and average university won't get the average student that good an income.

Yep, OK if you are sending your kids to Cambridge or Yale but a waste of your life and theirs if you are sending them to Middlesborough Comprehensive followed by Hull University.

6 figure incomes, who the he_ll on TV earned that?

(I made that in Dollars, but only just, in GBP I don't think so.)

And I attended one of the best Universities in the UK and worked for one of the top companies in the UK.

Not to mention wages in the UK and Europe have dropped in the last 10 years.

Don't know about the US, never worked there, don't follow the wages there, can't imagine it's different though.

I feel for you bro, if you never made that, but I did, and so did most of the men I worked with. Of course, I did go to college and I worked hard to get ahead.

Hell, I made $36/hr as a contract programmer in 1979, and over $200k/yr as the technical director of a C3I system in KSA in the 80's--and that was family accompanied with all expenses paid and leave every 90 days. I made over $125k as a management consultant in the States in the 1990's. So, I know, I have experienced it.

That is not that much money--you'd be surprised how easy it is to spend; I know that too--if you get an education and a good job. Any degreed professional-- lawyer, doctor, engineer, accountant, senior officer in the military,even bureaucrats--makes six figures.

Therefore, I suggest you give your kids all the quality education they can handle and don't stop at a bachelor degree. Give them the chance to live well. Don't hamper their chances with limiting them to a Thai education.

[Happy Grumpy]

Almost time for you guys to go to the bathroom to see who 'wins'.

Impressive.

[khunPer]

It would be more prudent to prepare your child to earn six figure incomes; to be upper-middle class, rather than simply getting by.

And my point being that your kids attending your average high school and average university won't get the average student that good an income.

Yep, OK if you are sending your kids to Cambridge or Yale but a waste of your life and theirs if you are sending them to Middlesborough Comprehensive followed by Hull University.

6 figure incomes, who the he_ll on TV earned that?

(I made that in Dollars, but only just, in GBP I don't think so.)

And I attended one of the best Universities in the UK and worked for one of the top companies in the UK.

Not to mention wages in the UK and Europe have dropped in the last 10 years.

Don't know about the US, never worked there, don't follow the wages there, can't imagine it's different though.

I feel for you bro, if you never made that, but I did, and so did most of the men I worked with. Of course, I did go to college and I worked hard to get ahead.

Hell, I made $36/hr as a contract programmer in 1979, and over $200k/yr as the technical director of a C3I system in KSA in the 80's--and that was family accompanied with all expenses paid and leave every 90 days. I made over $125k as a management consultant in the States in the 1990's. So, I know, I have experienced it.

That is not that much money--you'd be surprised how easy it is to spend; I know that too--if you get an education and a good job. Any degreed professional-- lawyer, doctor, engineer, accountant, senior officer in the military,even bureaucrats--makes six figures.

Therefore, I suggest you give your kids all the quality education they can handle and don't stop at a bachelor degree. Give them the chance to live well. Don't hamper their chances with limiting them to a Thai education.

»That is not that much money--you'd be surprised how easy it is to spend; I know that too…«

Makes me think of vise words from Henry Ford:

»It’s not the money you earn, which make you rich, it’s the money you do no spend.«

[Blackfox]

Any chance of getting back on topic for those who wish to be informed???

[Happy Grumpy]

You're being informed by somebody that doesn't have kids and has an exciting life, earning six figures for over a decade. Sheesh, pay attention.

[KarenBravo]

You're being informed by somebody that doesn't have kids and has an exciting life, earning six figures for over a decade. Sheesh, pay attention.

Don't forget a good secondary education, too. Something that a few of the posters on this thread are going to deny their offspring (just to bring the topic back).

[Happy Grumpy]

You're being informed by somebody that doesn't have kids and has an exciting life, earning six figures for over a decade. Sheesh, pay attention.

Don't forget a good secondary education, too. Something that a few of the posters on this thread are going to deny their offspring (just to bring the topic back).

Awful, isn't it.

Almost enough to give up my exciting life, just to inform them about it again and again and again and again.

[Blackfox]

You're being informed by somebody that doesn't have kids and has an exciting life, earning six figures for over a decade. Sheesh, pay attention.

Just got back home and yours is the first post I read Grumpy.

I also have an exciting life and don't have kids but that that doesn't stop me thinking and possibly planning for the future.

C'mon bud, let's calm down and get back on topic.

I'm genuinely interested.

Grumpy, I also had 6 figures coming in for 15 years. 45 now, no children.

Edited April 28, 2015 by Blackfox

[Blackfox]

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Edited April 28, 2015 by Blackfox

[KarenBravo]

You're being informed by somebody that doesn't have kids and has an exciting life, earning six figures for over a decade. Sheesh, pay attention.

Don't forget a good secondary education, too. Something that a few of the posters on this thread are going to deny their offspring (just to bring the topic back).

Awful, isn't it.

Almost enough to give up my exciting life, just to inform them about it again and again and again and again.

With some people, you have to.

[smotherb]

Almost time for you guys to go to the bathroom to see who 'wins'.

Impressive.

Oh, I would Grumpy, I can just sit outside the bathroom, and cast into it.

[thehelmsman]

It would be more prudent to prepare your child to earn six figure incomes; to be upper-middle class, rather than simply getting by.

And my point being that your kids attending your average high school and average university won't get the average student that good an income.

Yep, OK if you are sending your kids to Cambridge or Yale but a waste of your life and theirs if you are sending them to Middlesborough Comprehensive followed by Hull University.

6 figure incomes, who the he_ll on TV earned that?

(I made that in Dollars, but only just, in GBP I don't think so.)

And I attended one of the best Universities in the UK and worked for one of the top companies in the UK.

Not to mention wages in the UK and Europe have dropped in the last 10 years.

Don't know about the US, never worked there, don't follow the wages there, can't imagine it's different though.

Try asking the offshore workers and merchant seaman - $100,000 plus a year is common. But, a shoreside job in the USA with 4 yr. degree doesn't guarantee much of a wage.

[smotherb]

You're being informed by somebody that doesn't have kids and has an exciting life, earning six figures for over a decade. Sheesh, pay attention.

I do have a child, he is grown now. We were in the PI then, but we went back to the States to work so he could get a good education and earn six figures too.

[Happy Grumpy]

You're being informed by somebody that doesn't have kids and has an exciting life, earning six figures for over a decade. Sheesh, pay attention.

Don't forget a good secondary education, too. Something that a few of the posters on this thread are going to deny their offspring (just to bring the topic back).

Awful, isn't it.

Almost enough to give up my exciting life, just to inform them about it again and again and again and again.

With some people, you have to.

Why do you have to?

It sounds like a very odd hobby need. Something missing from your life?

[awayego]

My child's future is my child's future.

I don't think education is the most important thing in the world and it is up to the individual child anyway. There are a lot of no-hopers in the west. Maybe even more than in Asia, despite education.

Education is a means to an end and Thais are doing fine in terms of making money. Many salaries in the west are awful and most people i know can't get on the property ladder, nor save for the future (despite their so-called good education).

I want my daughter to be safe, healthy, and happy. It is my job to try to make sure this happens.

She already has more in Thailand (house and land) than she could possibly have where I come from.

So, what about her future? Who knows.

But I ain't gonna revolve her life around education. Frankly, it's overrated, in my opinion.

Happiness is number one. You can't buy it, nor study to attain it.

All people really want, at the end of the day, is a happy life.

That is all a parent should want for their child.

For me, it's not so much about education per se, it's more about giving my son options and choices and THAT is what education is about IMHO.

NOT education just for the sake of it but choices as to what kind of work/career and where.

Sure, there are plenty of "no-hopers" but I suspect most of them don't have the choices that they would have had if they had made full use of education opportunities, although some ARE probably "no-hopers" by choice.

No, what I want for my son is, of course, to be happy but also to have choices and options in his future.

If he chooses to do a 'menial' job (or even be a "no-hoper"!) it will be because he will have the choice.

And of course, education must be balanced with socialisation and well-being.

A child might be very happy just now but, to me, education gives them the greater opportunity of being happy as an adult because they will have options and choices.

[Bangkokhatter]

@ Karen Bravo, i can't see where any one said you could not comment. I did say your comments are not based on your experiences as you admit you have no kids. A long time here does not mean much when the OP is all about where to educate your children. You have never faced the problem, your gallant decision all those years ago does not mean much either.

Because I have no children, you think I can't comment on this subject?

Seems to me it's very simple. It's about "doing the right thing". If you decide to have a child here in Thailand, but, can't afford a decent education here and the only decent education that is equivalent to my home country (UK) is the international schools, then, you should take your child back home to get that education.

See? Simple.

Your straw-man argument doesn't work I'm afraid. Probably due to my excellent education at a British state school where I learned critical thinking.

I too had a good education at a UK state school, although my school taught me comprehension and reading as well as critical thinking. Nowhere have i written you cannot comment !

I now see you have succeeded in going further off topic with your salary pissing contest, hardly relevant to where expats who stay in Thailand plan to educate their children.

Also it's hardly critical thinking by saying it's a straight choice between International schools or back to our home countries for their education. I guess you went through your education many years ago, you still think ALL the schools in the UK are still of the same standard ?

For me and a few others it's not a straight choice, with other factors coming into play and when I do decide my childs future it will be based on more than just her education.

[KarenBravo]

Keep going fellas.........I'm lovin' it.

[Bangkokhatter]

@ Karen Bravo, i can't see where any one said you could not comment. I did say your comments are not based on your experiences as you admit you have no kids. A long time here does not mean much when the OP is all about where to educate your children. You have never faced the problem, your gallant decision all those years ago does not mean much either.

Because I have no children, you think I can't comment on this subject?

Seems to me it's very simple. It's about "doing the right thing". If you decide to have a child here in Thailand, but, can't afford a decent education here and the only decent education that is equivalent to my home country (UK) is the international schools, then, you should take your child back home to get that education.

See? Simple.

Your straw-man argument doesn't work I'm afraid. Probably due to my excellent education at a British state school where I learned critical thinking.

Double post

Edited April 29, 2015 by Bangkokhatter

[Bangkokhatter]

@ Karen Bravo, i can't see where any one said you could not comment. I did say your comments are not based on your experiences as you admit you have no kids. A long time here does not mean much when the OP is all about where to educate your children. You have never faced the problem, your gallant decision all those years ago does not mean much either.

Because I have no children, you think I can't comment on this subject?

Seems to me it's very simple. It's about "doing the right thing". If you decide to have a child here in Thailand, but, can't afford a decent education here and the only decent education that is equivalent to my home country (UK) is the international schools, then, you should take your child back home to get that education.

See? Simple.

Your straw-man argument doesn't work I'm afraid. Probably due to my excellent education at a British state school where I learned critical thinking.

Damn internet, triple post

Edited April 29, 2015 by Bangkokhatter

[DLang]

Don't forget a good secondary education, too. Something that a few of the posters on this thread are going to deny their offspring (just to bring the topic back).

Awful, isn't it.

Almost enough to give up my exciting life, just to inform them about it again and again and again and again.

With some people, you have to.

Why do you have to?

It sounds like a very odd hobby need. Something missing from your life?

Now now, there's nothing worrying about being a childless man with 'lots of income' and an 'exciting life', while 'needing' to spend one's time in online Family and Children's Rooms, being the top poster about young children.

Nothing odd or worrying about that at all.

[KarenBravo]

I'm glad you think so.......

[Water Buffalo]

Some people get off on this stuff. At least this guy gets paid for it as well.

[Boo]

I give my son a UK private school education to give him choices. No education = no choices. Sure a tiny amount of people who didn't go to college or uni have gone on to be very successful but they all still did get a standard primary, junior & secondary education. Most people without education are the ones living on the bread line, struggling day to day to keep roof over head & food in belly.

I would rather my son has the chance to get a middle class job with a middle class income. I 'd prefer him "working for the man" in a comfortable office doing 9-5 & getting a decent wage than having to empty bins or sweep streets in all weathers for a pittance if his own ambitions didn't work out.

In order to have an "average" life, you need some form of official education & qualification.

One he has that education, he can chose to sweep streets if he wants. He will be able to make that choice knowing he has other options. I would hate for that to be his only option though.

But to send him uniformed, uneducated & without choices or options into the world, would make me feel a failure as a parent.

Sure it's only a bit of paper to some, but behind that bit of paper is years of information & knowledge that you child has absorbed.

[smotherb]

It would be more prudent to prepare your child to earn six figure incomes; to be upper-middle class, rather than simply getting by.

And my point being that your kids attending your average high school and average university won't get the average student that good an income.

Yep, OK if you are sending your kids to Cambridge or Yale but a waste of your life and theirs if you are sending them to Middlesborough Comprehensive followed by Hull University.

6 figure incomes, who the he_ll on TV earned that?

(I made that in Dollars, but only just, in GBP I don't think so.)

And I attended one of the best Universities in the UK and worked for one of the top companies in the UK.

Not to mention wages in the UK and Europe have dropped in the last 10 years.

Don't know about the US, never worked there, don't follow the wages there, can't imagine it's different though.

Try asking the offshore workers and merchant seaman - $100,000 plus a year is common. But, a shoreside job in the USA with 4 yr. degree doesn't guarantee much of a wage.

There is never a guarantee, and the offshore/seamen earn their money, they spend half their lives in less than desirable conditions--if that is what you like, okay.

However, making six figures in your home country, at least in the US, is certainly possible. As I mentioned before, any degreed professional, makes six figures. Many lesser degree fields--management, accounting, IT, public administration--also earn six figures. Don't expect that as fast-food manager, a lower order techie, a simple bookkeeper, a mid-range bureaucrat, or a teacher--unless it is at a good university and you have tenure.

You can even take the expat route as manager, or even a highly skilled techie, and earn six figures, with full benefits, while on family accompanied contracts somehwere other than the armpits of the world.

So, choose the educational discipline and career field wisely.

[thehelmsman]

Is there a difference between making education choices for a girl vs. a boy? Would you try to talk your daughter out of being a flight attendant, knowing it's not a job for the future. Sometimes kids pick a career choice that probably isn't the best as far as wage earning, but they really like. As a parent it's hard to guide them down the right path without alienating them.

If you have a son then you would want him to have high earning capabilities vs. a daughter where she will probably lean towards being a stay at home mother.

[benalibina]

Is there a difference between making education choices for a girl vs. a boy? Would you try to talk your daughter out of being a flight attendant, knowing it's not a job for the future. Sometimes kids pick a career choice that probably isn't the best as far as wage earning, but they really like. As a parent it's hard to guide them down the right path without alienating them.

If you have a son then you would want him to have high earning capabilities vs. a daughter where she will probably lean towards being a stay at home mother.

Maybe this part of raising your children is more suited for you.

[krisb]

My child's future is my child's future.

I don't think education is the most important thing in the world and it is up to the individual child anyway. There are a lot of no-hopers in the west. Maybe even more than in Asia, despite education.

Education is a means to an end and Thais are doing fine in terms of making money. Many salaries in the west are awful and most people i know can't get on the property ladder, nor save for the future (despite their so-called good education).

I want my daughter to be safe, healthy, and happy. It is my job to try to make sure this happens.

She already has more in Thailand (house and land) than she could possibly have where I come from.

So, what about her future? Who knows.

But I ain't gonna revolve her life around education. Frankly, it's overrated, in my opinion.

Happiness is number one. You can't buy it, nor study to attain it.

All people really want, at the end of the day, is a happy life.

That is all a parent should want for their child.

Agreed, education is overrated all that does is prepare you for a J.O.B (just obey bitch) educating my son to do everything possible to avoid ever having a job will be my main focus. This begins with not wasting his precious time being forced to learn non life functional things that don't interest him.

Education should not be an institution!

If education is so over-rated, why is it that the rich, super rich, and wealthy make sure their kids get all the education they can possibly afford?

There's something to be said for keeping the rich comfortable, smart, in control of their futures, and keeping the poor under-educated and struggling. It happens in almost all countries, and it's no way for societies to advance.

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Let me rephrase my statement, Institutional education is over-rated in my view. Knowing that most billionaires never finished high school let alone tertiary education but then again being successful in my eyes doesn't equate to being rich but more so being happy.

It seems so many people feel that educating their kids to the point of over educating will lead to their child being successful and happy something the parents failed to reach in their eyes.

All were doing is teaching our kids to be like us at the end of the day but I do hear your point MrBrad.

Ridiculous to suggest a good education won't help your child.

And as for calling education over rated what a load of Crap.

Edited May 29, 2015 by krisb