Pope calls Palestinian leader "angel of peace" during visit

[Jingthing]

There he goes again, sniffing out the Jews.

Dude, the plaques were given or not.

You are saying they were not?

If not, all you've got is more Jew identification obsession.

[Ulysses G.]

Abbas is President of the PA. A week ago the PA handed plaques to the families of the three Gazan terrorists who murdered the two reservists in 2000. He is a real proper "angel of peace". Not.

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Source : Palestinian Media Watch - Hasbara

Hasbara means public relations and Palestinian Media Watch is remarkably accurate. Jew/Isreal haters think that pointing out that media are favorable to Jews or Israel is some sort of black mark, but not when they are usually correct about what they are reporting.

Australia's former ambassador to Israel, Ian Wilcock, said of Palestinian Media Watch that it "does an outstanding job of bringing attention to what the Palestinian Authority and related organisations are saying in Arabic, as opposed to the usually more temperate comments made in English for the world outside the Middle East."

The Palestinian media on the other hand - is chock full of easily proven lies, which is why all one has to do is point out who is doing the reporting to make it obvious that they have no credibility.

Edited May 17, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[Alwyn]

Abbas is President of the PA. A week ago the PA handed plaques to the families of the three Gazan terrorists who murdered the two reservists in 2000. He is a real proper "angel of peace". Not.

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Source : Palestinian Media Watch - Hasbara

Quote from link :

"Itamar Marcus is an Israeli political activist, researcher and the founder and director of Palestinian Media Watch,[1] which studies Palestinian society by monitoring and analyzing the Palestinian Authority (PA) through its media and schoolbooks."

"Marcus is a former vice president of the Central Fund of Israel.[3] Originally from New York, he now lives in the Israeli settlement of Efrat in the West Bank."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Marcus

Central Fund of Israel :

"The Central Fund of Israel is an American non-profit association which funds projects in Israel, including, according to Politico, Israeli pro-settler groups."

I have no idea what point you're attempting to make here but this murder was well documented as was the plaque presentation. So, what point are you trying to make?

[Jingthing]

That your source had Jews in it .... thus it didn't happen.

[dexterm]

Abbas may not be just the Angel of Peace but the Savior of Israel.

He is willing to discuss real peace in a just 2 state solution. He is getting quite old now. Israel may not find anyone more amenable than him to negotiate with.

The alternative to negotiations is for the Palestinians to keep their heads down, practise passive resistance, and shame the Israel before the world by flooding the social media with images of their daily humiliations, beatings and murders from the IDF and fanatical Zionist settlers under a 48 year illegal occupation now.

Meanwhile just continue to breed and make Israel's problem grow.

Time, history and world opinion is on the side of the Palestinians.

You're spot on except for the last part. History is not on the side of the Palestinians as there is no such thing as a Palestinian - although a perceived history allowing only for the 100 years or so of manipulated facts, is on the side of the Gazans. Interesting stuff though..

I think history is on the side of the Palestinians, because

"As of 30 October 2014, 135 (69.9%) of the 193 member states of the United Nations have recognised the State of Palestine. Many of the countries that do not recognise the State of Palestine nevertheless recognise the PLO as the "representative of the Palestinian people".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine

...and that number is growing and so is the number of Palestinians. The tide has turned. It is time Israelis faced reality: they cannot continue occupying 2.5 million people indefinitely without giving them the vote as equal citizens or the right to a separate self determination.

[johnmcc6]

Mind boggling . A man of peace above politics? What a joke .He should not stick his holy nose in politics. Period. Especially when he is so wrong.

[Seastallion]

I don't see any hysteria here but if Abbas is really an "angel of peace" then I'm the bloody Count of Monte Cristo.

The reality is that Abbas is very unpopular with his own people and powerful or not if he did what was really needed to be a REAL Angel of Peace, his own people would quickly murder him.

Lol...You're talking about peace 100% on Israel's terms....which is ridiculously unreasonable and will never happen.

Who holds all the aces? Like getting into the ring with Mike Tyson, wanting the same pay as him but demanding he fights with one hand, blindfolded and on his knees

Might is right, yeah? It's all about who is stronger militarily. To hell with international treaties and laws and to hell with morals and human rights, yeah?

Get with the 21st century pal.

[Linky]

Mind boggling . A man of peace above politics? What a joke .He should not stick his holy nose in politics. Period. Especially when he is so wrong.

Why shouldnt he? He is the leader of qite a large amount of people whether you like it or not.

He is entitled to his opinion isnt he? Or are you saying free speech is only for those that agree with you?

[konying]

I don't see any hysteria here but if Abbas is really an "angel of peace" then I'm the bloody Count of Monte Cristo.

The reality is that Abbas is very unpopular with his own people and powerful or not if he did what was really needed to be a REAL Angel of Peace, his own people would quickly murder him.

Lol...You're talking about peace 100% on Israel's terms....which is ridiculously unreasonable and will never happen.

Who holds all the aces? Like getting into the ring with Mike Tyson, wanting the same pay as him but demanding he fights with one hand, blindfolded and on his knees

Might is right, yeah? It's all about who is stronger militarily. To hell with international treaties and laws and to hell with morals and human rights, yeah?

Get with the 21st century pal.

You joking right? I am hoping you really are joking, because i struggle to believe a grown up person would post something like this and actually think he/she is NOT insane

[Jingthing]

The Pope represents more than his personal opinion doesn't he? Doesn't he claim to represent the voice of the G word?

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[Alwyn]

Abbas may not be just the Angel of Peace but the Savior of Israel.

He is willing to discuss real peace in a just 2 state solution. He is getting quite old now. Israel may not find anyone more amenable than him to negotiate with.

The alternative to negotiations is for the Palestinians to keep their heads down, practise passive resistance, and shame the Israel before the world by flooding the social media with images of their daily humiliations, beatings and murders from the IDF and fanatical Zionist settlers under a 48 year illegal occupation now.

Meanwhile just continue to breed and make Israel's problem grow.

Time, history and world opinion is on the side of the Palestinians.

You're spot on except for the last part. History is not on the side of the Palestinians as there is no such thing as a Palestinian - although a perceived history allowing only for the 100 years or so of manipulated facts, is on the side of the Gazans. Interesting stuff though..

I think history is on the side of the Palestinians, because

"As of 30 October 2014, 135 (69.9%) of the 193 member states of the United Nations have recognised the State of Palestine. Many of the countries that do not recognise the State of Palestine nevertheless recognise the PLO as the "representative of the Palestinian people".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine

...and that number is growing and so is the number of Palestinians. The tide has turned. It is time Israelis faced reality: they cannot continue occupying 2.5 million people indefinitely without giving them the vote as equal citizens or the right to a separate self determination.

and historically? None. Never ever had it's own government or anything, never mentioned in the Bible.. But the UN, the ones who claim Israel reacts disproportionately when attacked by terrorist's rockets seek to recognise Paletsine. I personally have no objection to that and neither does Israel. They ceded land to the PLO in Gaza and West Bank and all they've done is used it as a base to attack Israel.. Never the less, the PA (and PLO) has been offered the hand of peace by Israel countless times by the PA refuse countless times. Historically, Palestine has never existed Dexterm, this you can research yourself easily enough though if you have a mind to. Palestine is an invention based on an aside by Roman Emperor Hadrian when he called the Jews "Falestinia" because it referred to the Philistine slave that came from the area of Gaza. It is an interesting history and well worth studying

[Steely Dan]

Abbas may not be just the Angel of Peace but the Savior of Israel.

He is willing to discuss real peace in a just 2 state solution. He is getting quite old now. Israel may not find anyone more amenable than him to negotiate with.

The alternative to negotiations is for the Palestinians to keep their heads down, practise passive resistance, and shame the Israel before the world by flooding the social media with images of their daily humiliations, beatings and murders from the IDF and fanatical Zionist settlers under a 48 year illegal occupation now.

Meanwhile just continue to breed and make Israel's problem grow.

Time, history and world opinion is on the side of the Palestinians.

Yes, just continue to breed, as suggested by Nobel peace prize winner Yasser Arafat. Continue to breed way beyond the economic sustainability of the land, so there can never be an economically viable independent Palestinian state, who cares gullible western taxpayers can pick up the tab in perpetuity?

Edited May 17, 2015 by Steely Dan

[Thorgal]

Abbas is President of the PA. A week ago the PA handed plaques to the families of the three Gazan terrorists who murdered the two reservists in 2000. He is a real proper "angel of peace". Not.

PA.PNG

Source : Palestinian Media Watch - Hasbara

Quote from link :

"Itamar Marcus is an Israeli political activist, researcher and the founder and director of Palestinian Media Watch,[1] which studies Palestinian society by monitoring and analyzing the Palestinian Authority (PA) through its media and schoolbooks."

"Marcus is a former vice president of the Central Fund of Israel.[3] Originally from New York, he now lives in the Israeli settlement of Efrat in the West Bank."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Marcus

Central Fund of Israel :

"The Central Fund of Israel is an American non-profit association which funds projects in Israel, including, according to Politico, Israeli pro-settler groups."

I have no idea what point you're attempting to make here but this murder was well documented as was the plaque presentation. So, what point are you trying to make?

Your article of Palestine Media Watch (PMW) is a biased Israeli anti-Palestinian propaganda source. Check out their website of the 'Institute'...

http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=14784

I've provided a short description of the Israeli writer of this article and his involvement in the illegal Israeli settler projects. Not really a disciple for peace.

Do you expect objectivity in his article and website ? Moreover, the lynching and the PA rewards have nothing to do with the Pope's recognition of the Palestinian State. Your Zionist source is not in line with the OP.

In analogy with your post : how many IDF soldiers received promotion and medals after killing non-combating Palestinian civilians ?

http://unitedwithisrael.org/idf-honors-heroes-of-operation-protective-edge/

How did PMW reported the Israeli controversial plaque to commemorate the bombing of the King David Hotel with 93 innocent victims ?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

Perhaps we have a different definition of 'Angels'....

Edited May 17, 2015 by Thorgal

[Linky]

Abbas may not be just the Angel of Peace but the Savior of Israel.

He is willing to discuss real peace in a just 2 state solution. He is getting quite old now. Israel may not find anyone more amenable than him to negotiate with.

The alternative to negotiations is for the Palestinians to keep their heads down, practise passive resistance, and shame the Israel before the world by flooding the social media with images of their daily humiliations, beatings and murders from the IDF and fanatical Zionist settlers under a 48 year illegal occupation now.

Meanwhile just continue to breed and make Israel's problem grow.

Time, history and world opinion is on the side of the Palestinians.

You're spot on except for the last part. History is not on the side of the Palestinians as there is no such thing as a Palestinian - although a perceived history allowing only for the 100 years or so of manipulated facts, is on the side of the Gazans. Interesting stuff though..

I think history is on the side of the Palestinians, because

"As of 30 October 2014, 135 (69.9%) of the 193 member states of the United Nations have recognised the State of Palestine. Many of the countries that do not recognise the State of Palestine nevertheless recognise the PLO as the "representative of the Palestinian people".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine

...and that number is growing and so is the number of Palestinians. The tide has turned. It is time Israelis faced reality: they cannot continue occupying 2.5 million people indefinitely without giving them the vote as equal citizens or the right to a separate self determination.

and historically? None. Never ever had it's own government or anything, never mentioned in the Bible.. But the UN, the ones who claim Israel reacts disproportionately when attacked by terrorist's rockets seek to recognise Paletsine. I personally have no objection to that and neither does Israel. They ceded land to the PLO in Gaza and West Bank and all they've done is used it as a base to attack Israel.. Never the less, the PA (and PLO) has been offered the hand of peace by Israel countless times by the PA refuse countless times. Historically, Palestine has never existed Dexterm, this you can research yourself easily enough though if you have a mind to. Palestine is an invention based on an aside by Roman Emperor Hadrian when he called the Jews "Falestinia" because it referred to the Philistine slave that came from the area of Gaza. It is an interesting history and well worth studying

The majority of the world has studied it and decided that Israel is wrong and recogniseed Palestine.

Simple as that, regardless of your objection.

[geriatrickid]

I am not surprised by the hyperbole. The position taken by Rome is consistent with its history: This is the Church that gave us its sadistic Inquisition, destruction of indigenous cultures and peoples, the crusades, forced conversions and murders of jews, massacres of protestants, and the torture and brutal deaths of dissidents. I don't know if the Church understands that Islam does not accept the concept of saints, the use of icons, the statuary common to the Church of Rome, nor even the concept of symbolism such as the cross. Creating new magical saints isn't going to spread the gospel in the middle east. The papi needs to take a page from the playbook of evangelical protestants and engage with the people on the level of social development and simple lifestyles.

This is going to be fun to watch play out. It's even funnier knowing that the new St. Mariam was raped and beaten as the Ottoman clowns attempted to force her to convert to Islam. I wonder if Erdogan, the denier of the Armenian (Christian) genocide was invited to the slap at the former Turkish empire?

[piersbeckett]

Yeah, sure ... Abbas is an Angel of Peace and Obama deserved the Nobel Peace Price. That's Barack DRONE Obama to you.

Next ...

Well ISIS also claims to be doing gods work, so as they say God works in mysterious ways

And has god ever got out of bed!?

[Ulysses G.]

Your article of Palestine Media Watch (PMW) is a biased Israeli anti-Palestinian propaganda source.

They are against Islamic terrorism and and they have a good track record of accurate reporting. That is all the "objectivity" that normal people need.

Stop the foolish finger-pointing and source fascism and try proving that they are wrong, using credible sources. I bet you can't. That is why you spend all your time attacking the messenger with minutia, instead of addressing the actual message.

Edited May 17, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[piersbeckett]

This is what Billy Connolly thinks about it all... (I hope this is okay mods?)

The Big Yin CBE; if there was a God, it would bless him too.

[jesimps]

Twot! He's from Argentina you know.

[dexterm]

Abbas may not be just the Angel of Peace but the Savior of Israel.

He is willing to discuss real peace in a just 2 state solution. He is getting quite old now. Israel may not find anyone more amenable than him to negotiate with.

The alternative to negotiations is for the Palestinians to keep their heads down, practise passive resistance, and shame the Israel before the world by flooding the social media with images of their daily humiliations, beatings and murders from the IDF and fanatical Zionist settlers under a 48 year illegal occupation now.

Meanwhile just continue to breed and make Israel's problem grow.

Time, history and world opinion is on the side of the Palestinians.

Yes, just continue to breed, as suggested by Nobel peace prize winner Yasser Arafat. Continue to breed way beyond the economic sustainability of the land, so there can never be an economically viable independent Palestinian state, who cares gullible western taxpayers can pick up the tab in perpetuity?

So according to you, the non viabilty of a Palestinian state has absolutely nothing to do with Israeli colonists confiscating more and more Palestinian land ...that is incredible spin and chutzpah.

Well, if Israel continues on this path shooting itself in the foot making a Palestinian state an impossibility, then it will inevitably have to be a one state solution with Israeli taxpayers picking up the tab.

Actually there would be no tab to pick up. The benefits of peace would bring an economic renaissance for Israel and the world... reconstruction, a boom in tourism, trade with the Arab world. Israel would be one of the most valuable pieces of real estate on earth.

Edited May 17, 2015 by dexterm

[Thorgal]

Abbas may not be just the Angel of Peace but the Savior of Israel.

He is willing to discuss real peace in a just 2 state solution. He is getting quite old now. Israel may not find anyone more amenable than him to negotiate with.

The alternative to negotiations is for the Palestinians to keep their heads down, practise passive resistance, and shame the Israel before the world by flooding the social media with images of their daily humiliations, beatings and murders from the IDF and fanatical Zionist settlers under a 48 year illegal occupation now.

Meanwhile just continue to breed and make Israel's problem grow.

Time, history and world opinion is on the side of the Palestinians.

Yes, just continue to breed, as suggested by Nobel peace prize winner Yasser Arafat. Continue to breed way beyond the economic sustainability of the land, so there can never be an economically viable independent Palestinian state, who cares gullible western taxpayers can pick up the tab in perpetuity?

1.4 trillion cubic feet of natural gas was discovered in 2000 off the Gaza coast and is valued at $4 billion.

The Leviathan field is estimated to hold 122 trillion cubic feet of gas and 1.6 billion barrels of oil. The Levant Basin Province lies in territorial waters where borders are hotly disputed between Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and Cyprus.

Palestinians are furthermore entitled to war reparations with royalties.

Any person who can solve this Palestinian economic issue without war deserves cum laude the Nobel peace prize.

The price of Jaffa oranges can go down verry fast if you lose your Palestinian labor...and customers...

Edited May 17, 2015 by Thorgal

[Ulysses G.]

Palestinians are furthermore entitled to war reparations with royalties.

Says who?

[wabothai]

The Israeli lobby not out of bed yet???

Oh yes they are. They are busy formulating their "counterattack".

[Jingthing]

The Israeli lobby not out of bed yet???

Oh yes they are. They are busy formulating their "counterattack".

Speaking for myself only and not as part of any kind of organization, I can assure you that there is no time or labored thought required to counter the absurdity of calling Abbas an angel of peace. He obviously isn't. He has even rather recently made it clear he would not end conflict even if a two state peace treaty is signed. I don't really believe in devils or angels, but for those who do, I'd suggest the former tag is a much better fit.

[Thorgal]

Palestinians are furthermore entitled to war reparations with royalties.

Says who?

It's included in UN resolution 194, under article 11 :

11 Addressed the issue of refugees and compensation for those whose property was lost or damaged.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_194

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_194#International_reception_and_interpretation

Reparations may take various forms: restitution of lost property, compensation for damages incurred, an acknowledgment of the harm done or a combination of all.

Yet, almost 60 years later and despite an annual reaffirmation of resolution 194, Israel continues to preclude refugees from returning to their homes and to proceed in the war reparations.

1948 war made 760.000 Palestinians officially refugees under International Law .

Edited May 18, 2015 by Thorgal

[Ulysses G.]

Palestinians are furthermore entitled to war reparations with royalties.

Says who?

It's included in UN resolution 194, under article 11 :

It sounds like the meaning of this resolution is very much in depute:

Although Arab leaders point to Resolution 194 as proof that Arab refugees have a right to return or be compensated, it is important to note that the Arab States: Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen voted against Resolution 194. Israel is not even mentioned in the resolution. The fact that plural wording also is used – “governments or authorities” – suggests that, contrary to Arab claims, the burden of compensation does not fall solely upon one side of the conflict. Because seven Arab armies invaded Israel, Israel was not responsible for creating the refugee problem. When hundreds of thousands of Arab Jews, under threat of death, attack and other forms of persecution, were forced to flee Arab communities, the State of Israel absorbed the overwhelming majority of them into the then-fledgling nation.

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/10/resolution-194.pdf

Edited May 18, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[Jingthing]

OK, peoples, hold onto your hats, because there is a LOST IN TRANSLATION issue with Papa Frank's comment. It appears Papa Frank did not actually call Abbas an Angel of Peace, which of course he is not, and it would reflect poorly on Papa Frank to make such an idiotic pronouncement.

It appears INSTEAD that what Papa Frank actually said was that Abbas COULD BE an Angel of Peace, which is massively more reasonable thing to say. Yes, Abbas has some power to do more to bring peace and currently and in the past he has NOT been this kind of angel (instead he has instigated and rewarded so much terrorist violence and so much Judeophobia).

So in that context, Papa Frank has encouraged Abbas to be better man, and Catholic or not, I can get beyond that and express that hope to Netanyahu as well.

Edited May 18, 2015 by Jingthing

[Steely Dan]

OK, peoples, hold onto your hats, because there is a LOST IN TRANSLATION issue with Papa Frank's comment. It appears Papa Frank did not actually call Abbas an Angel of Peace, which of course he is not, and it would reflect poorly on Papa Frank to make such an idiotic pronouncement.

It appears INSTEAD that what Papa Frank actually said was that Abbas COULD BE an Angel of Peace, which is massively more reasonable thing to say. Yes, Abbas has some power to do more to bring peace and currently and in the past he has NOT been this kind of angel (instead he has instigated and rewarded so much terrorist violence and so much Judeophobia).

So in that context, Papa Frank has encouraged Abbas to be better man, and Catholic or not, I can get beyond that and express that hope to Netanyahu as well.

If you read the article it is clear someone got the wrong end of the stick. Recently the Pope canonized two Palestinian nuns. Best do so now I guess while there are still some Palestinian Christians left to celebrate this. Abbas doesn't do canonization, but does a good line in calling murderers martyrs and paying those in prison a salary. That's 25,000 of them funded by Western useful idiots.

[dexterm]

OK, peoples, hold onto your hats, because there is a LOST IN TRANSLATION issue with Papa Frank's comment. It appears Papa Frank did not actually call Abbas an Angel of Peace, which of course he is not, and it would reflect poorly on Papa Frank to make such an idiotic pronouncement.

It appears INSTEAD that what Papa Frank actually said was that Abbas COULD BE an Angel of Peace, which is massively more reasonable thing to say. Yes, Abbas has some power to do more to bring peace and currently and in the past he has NOT been this kind of angel (instead he has instigated and rewarded so much terrorist violence and so much Judeophobia).

So in that context, Papa Frank has encouraged Abbas to be better man, and Catholic or not, I can get beyond that and express that hope to Netanyahu as well.

instead he has instigated and rewarded so much terrorist violence and so much Judeophobia).

Can you give me examples of this with credible links please?

[Thorgal]

Palestinians are furthermore entitled to war reparations with royalties.

Says who?

It's included in UN resolution 194, under article 11 :

It sounds like the meaning of this resolution is very much in depute:

Although Arab leaders point to Resolution 194 as proof that Arab refugees have a right to return or be compensated, it is important to note that the Arab States: Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen voted against Resolution 194. Israel is not even mentioned in the resolution. The fact that plural wording also is used – “governments or authorities” – suggests that, contrary to Arab claims, the burden of compensation does not fall solely upon one side of the conflict. Because seven Arab armies invaded Israel, Israel was not responsible for creating the refugee problem. When hundreds of thousands of Arab Jews, under threat of death, attack and other forms of persecution, were forced to flee Arab communities, the State of Israel absorbed the overwhelming majority of them into the then-fledgling nation.

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/10/resolution-194.pdf

The quotes of Eli Hertz -charity writer- are for me perhaps more successful on one of the speeches of US-Israeli Zionist lobby dinners or to people from a certain age...

http://zoa.org/2005/11/102059-un-amb-john-bolton-and-jerusalem-posts-caroline-glick-speak-at-zoa-brandeis-award-dinner-dec-11/

Even so, his letter to former President Bush with Abbas quotes is hilarious...and hasbarous...

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/article_view.asp?articleID=82

Edited May 18, 2015 by Thorgal