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I will take early retirement effective in a few weeks. My visa is good until June 2016--(Was on the 2 year renewel progrqam) -Does anyone know what happens to the visa? . My buddy retired recently and they took his passport to immigration and changed the visa and cancelled the work permit. I wonder if I could refuse to give them my passport and the visa would be valid until expired.

Also how to go about now applying for retirement visa?--Lets assume they change my visa and give me 30 days--Do I need to go out and come back in on O type visa?

Last question--the 800000 baht needed for retirement visa. Must be in account for 90 days? What if it was a little short for a few days in that 90 day period? Are they extremely strict about that?

thanks

Posted

Question is whether you have a visa obtained outside of Thailand from a Thai Consular Facility, or an Extension of Permission to Stay obtained from your local immigration Department.

If you have a visa/90 day visa entry then you do nothing, the visa/entry are both still valid.

If you are on an extension of permission based on working in the Kingdom of Thailand, then it becomes invalid the day you stop work, must be cancelled and an alternative obtained (leave the country or get an extension that you remain eligible for).

Do nothing in these circumstances and you are on overstay.

You might be able to move to an extension based on your being retired, but immigration are very strict on the minimum qualification/'seasoning' period required.

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If you are on an extension based on working ad you stop working you must cancel your permisison to stay as your permisison to stay becomes invalid the same day your employement ends. Yo will not get 30 days, only 7 days.

You could try to apply for an extension based on retirement the same day, but they might want you to apply for a non0O visa in neighbouring country.

You are talking about 2 years, so I presume you work for a BOI-company and make use of the One Stop Service Centre. They will give you 1 week to leave the country for free and during that time apply for an extension based on retirement at the regular immigraiton office. (As said, they might require you to apply in a neighbouring country)

For the first extension of stay the money only needs to be seasoned for 60 days, for every subsequent extension it will be 90 days. (They are very strict in that).

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Another case of confusion being caused by those who do not understand the basis upon upon which they are allowed to remain in the Kingdom.

It is highly likely that the OP does not have a "visa " and that the extension of stay will end on the day the job ceases

If the OP wishes to have a "retirement visa" the nearest to that which can be hoped for is a long stay O/A visa which can only be obtained from a Thai Embassy in the OP's home country.

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If you are on an extension based on working ad you stop working you must cancel your permisison to stay as your permisison to stay becomes invalid the same day your employement ends. Yo will not get 30 days, only 7 days.

You could try to apply for an extension based on retirement the same day, but they might want you to apply for a non0O visa in neighbouring country.

You are talking about 2 years, so I presume you work for a BOI-company and make use of the One Stop Service Centre. They will give you 1 week to leave the country for free and during that time apply for an extension based on retirement at the regular immigraiton office. (As said, they might require you to apply in a neighbouring country)

For the first extension of stay the money only needs to be seasoned for 60 days, for every subsequent extension it will be 90 days. (They are very strict in that).

I will check the info again, but I have colleagues who finished work on an extension, and extension was changed over to "retirement "without having to leave the country or even get as another visa, from what I understand planning is involved and obviously having the 800k in a thai account, but from what I understand a straightforward process in BKK, dealing with an immigration office in the boonies may be a different proposition however

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If you are on an extension based on working ad you stop working you must cancel your permisison to stay as your permisison to stay becomes invalid the same day your employement ends. Yo will not get 30 days, only 7 days.

You could try to apply for an extension based on retirement the same day, but they might want you to apply for a non0O visa in neighbouring country.

You are talking about 2 years, so I presume you work for a BOI-company and make use of the One Stop Service Centre. They will give you 1 week to leave the country for free and during that time apply for an extension based on retirement at the regular immigraiton office. (As said, they might require you to apply in a neighbouring country)

For the first extension of stay the money only needs to be seasoned for 60 days, for every subsequent extension it will be 90 days. (They are very strict in that).

I will check the info again, but I have colleagues who finished work on an extension, and extension was changed over to "retirement "without having to leave the country or even get as another visa, from what I understand planning is involved and obviously having the 800k in a thai account, but from what I understand a straightforward process in BKK, dealing with an immigration office in the boonies may be a different proposition however

That would suit me fine.

Posted

I was hoping for worse case I could go to malaysia and get a visa that would qualify me to apply for the retirement visa

Amazing the OP is still seeking a "retirement visa" !

What you are seeking OP is an "extension of stay" based on retirement . To secure this extension of stay you will need 800.000 Bht in a Thai bank for a full 90 days or an income of 65,000 Bht /month as certified by your countries Embassy.

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I was hoping for worse case I could go to malaysia and get a visa that would qualify me to apply for the retirement visa

Amazing the OP is still seeking a "retirement visa" !

What you are seeking OP is an "extension of stay" based on retirement . To secure this extension of stay you will need 800.000 Bht in a Thai bank for a full 90 days or an income of 65,000 Bht /month as certified by you countries Embassy.

I really don't care if it called visa or extension of stay...and I am fully aware of the financial requirements--an earlier poster said it was 60 days for initial application---

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"f you are on an extension based on working ad you stop working you must cancel your permisison to stay as your permisison to stay becomes invalid the same day your employement ends. Yo will not get 30 days, only 7 days."?

Unless it has changed again, 2 years ago the day my work permit was cancelled I was required to leave the country. In CM, they got rid of the 7 day lenience. Kind of sucked for me as I assumed that I would have a few days. I had to run to the border the next day. I explained that I cancelled my work permit at 4pm and there was no way I could have done a border run. They were nice and didn't charge me overstay but threatened to.

Call labor department to make sure.

"Amazing the OP is still seeking a "retirement visa" !"

the nit picking over wording is kind of pointless. If you knew what the OP wanted, enough to correct him, then why not just let it go.

Visa or extension, the OP wants to stay in Thailand and gave a pretty clear description of his situation.

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I was hoping for worse case I could go to malaysia and get a visa that would qualify me to apply for the retirement visa

Amazing the OP is still seeking a "retirement visa" !

What you are seeking OP is an "extension of stay" based on retirement . To secure this extension of stay you will need 800.000 Bht in a Thai bank for a full 90 days or an income of 65,000 Bht /month as certified by you countries Embassy.

I really don't care if it called visa or extension of stay...and I am fully aware of the financial requirements--an earlier poster said it was 60 days for initial application---

You are correct! The full 800,000 in the bank for 60 days for the first application (post number 3)

Not caring about the difference between "visas" and " extensions of stay" leads to confusion and misunderstanding as you have succeeded in demonstrating here today.

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the nit picking over wording is kind of pointless. If you knew what the OP wanted, enough to correct him, then why not just let it go.

It is absolutely not pointless.

It is essential to know what the member has and what he wants.

Otherwise we spend ages giving wrong information and advise.

Sometimes it takes more than a page before we actually work out what the question is about.

Rant Over. wink.png

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Having to have 8,800,000 baht in the bank for 60 days also causes confusion.

You did not mention your marital status, but if you are married to a Thai you can apply for a 60 day extension rather than only 7 days.

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I was hoping for worse case I could go to malaysia and get a visa that would qualify me to apply for the retirement visa

Amazing the OP is still seeking a "retirement visa" !

What you are seeking OP is an "extension of stay" based on retirement . To secure this extension of stay you will need 800.000 Bht in a Thai bank for a full 90 days or an income of 65,000 Bht /month as certified by you countries Embassy.

I really don't care if it called visa or extension of stay...and I am fully aware of the financial requirements--an earlier poster said it was 60 days for initial application---

You are correct! The full 800,000 in the bank for 60 days for the first application (post number 3)

Not caring about the difference between "visas" and " extensions of stay" leads to confusion and misunderstanding as you have succeeded in demonstrating here today.

Oh--Sorry that you were confused and misunderstood

Posted

If you are on an extension based on working ad you stop working you must cancel your permisison to stay as your permisison to stay becomes invalid the same day your employement ends. Yo will not get 30 days, only 7 days.

You could try to apply for an extension based on retirement the same day, but they might want you to apply for a non0O visa in neighbouring country.

You are talking about 2 years, so I presume you work for a BOI-company and make use of the One Stop Service Centre. They will give you 1 week to leave the country for free and during that time apply for an extension based on retirement at the regular immigraiton office. (As said, they might require you to apply in a neighbouring country)

For the first extension of stay the money only needs to be seasoned for 60 days, for every subsequent extension it will be 90 days. (They are very strict in that).

I will check the info again, but I have colleagues who finished work on an extension, and extension was changed over to "retirement "without having to leave the country or even get as another visa, from what I understand planning is involved and obviously having the 800k in a thai account, but from what I understand a straightforward process in BKK, dealing with an immigration office in the boonies may be a different proposition however

Sounds to me like these colleagues may have done a conversion to a non-O at BKK - who are the only office who process such conversions nationwide these days. So if the OP's immigration office is in the boonies they'll refer him to BKK for this conversion - which will necessitate 2 trips on his part to BKK 15 days apart.

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If you are on an extension based on working ad you stop working you must cancel your permisison to stay as your permisison to stay becomes invalid the same day your employement ends. Yo will not get 30 days, only 7 days.

You could try to apply for an extension based on retirement the same day, but they might want you to apply for a non0O visa in neighbouring country.

You are talking about 2 years, so I presume you work for a BOI-company and make use of the One Stop Service Centre. They will give you 1 week to leave the country for free and during that time apply for an extension based on retirement at the regular immigraiton office. (As said, they might require you to apply in a neighbouring country)

For the first extension of stay the money only needs to be seasoned for 60 days, for every subsequent extension it will be 90 days. (They are very strict in that).

I will check the info again, but I have colleagues who finished work on an extension, and extension was changed over to "retirement "without having to leave the country or even get as another visa, from what I understand planning is involved and obviously having the 800k in a thai account, but from what I understand a straightforward process in BKK, dealing with an immigration office in the boonies may be a different proposition however

Sounds to me like these colleagues may have done a conversion to a non-O at BKK - who are the only office who process such conversions nationwide these days. So if the OP's immigration office is in the boonies they'll refer him to BKK for this conversion - which will necessitate 2 trips on his part to BKK 15 days apart.

Again that would suit me fine as I am in Bangkok--thanks for the info

Posted

A conversion can only be done from a visa exempt or tourist visa entry. It is not possible to change non immigrant visa classes.

Bangkok will no longer change the reason for an extension of stay,

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Seems as though the OP will need to leave the country and apply for a single entry NON O visa based on being 50+ years of age .

He will, of course, have to show he qualifies financially before the visa will be issued.

During the last 30 days of the 90 days "permission to stay" which the visa allows the OP should apply for an "extension of stay" based on retirement (It is not a visa) at the local immigration office.

It should be noted the correct form to be used when applying for the extension is headed

"คำขออนุญาตเพื่ออยู่ในราชอาณาจักรเป็นการชั่วคราวต่อไป

APPLICATION FOR EXTENSION OF TEMPORARY STAY IN THE KINGDOM"
Posted

Seems as though the OP will need to leave the country and apply for a single entry NON O visa based on being 50+ years of age .

He will, of course, have to show he qualifies financially before the visa will be issued.

During the last 30 days of the 90 days "permission to stay" which the visa allows the OP should apply for an "extension of stay" based on retirement (It is not a visa) at the local immigration office.

It should be noted the correct form to be used when applying for the extension is headed

"คำขออนุญาตเพื่ออยู่ในราชอาณาจักรเป็นการชั่วคราวต่อไป

APPLICATION FOR EXTENSION OF TEMPORARY STAY IN THE KINGDOM"

Now I am confused. During last 30 days--apply for extension.... Then will have to go out and get non O visa?

Posted

You can apply for the extension during the last 30 days of the 90 day permit to stay that the non-o visa you will need to get will allow you to obtain on entry to the country.

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You can apply for the extension during the last 30 days of the 90 day permit to stay that the non-o visa you will need to get will allow you to obtain on entry to the country.

Ok now I get it--Go and get a 90 day NON-o visa--enter thailand and apply for extension during the last 30 days of that 90 day visa.

Vientienne a good place to get a non O visa?

Posted

You can apply for the extension during the last 30 days of the 90 day permit to stay that the non-o visa you will need to get will allow you to obtain on entry to the country.

Ok now I get it--Go and get a 90 day NON-o visa--enter thailand and apply for extension during the last 30 days of that 90 day visa.

Vientienne a good place to get a non O visa?

Yes

Vientiane is a good place to get the non-o visa. Just show your passport to prove your age. And your bank book showing 800k baht in the account

Posted

You can apply for the extension during the last 30 days of the 90 day permit to stay that the non-o visa you will need to get will allow you to obtain on entry to the country.

Ok now I get it--Go and get a 90 day NON-o visa--enter thailand and apply for extension during the last 30 days of that 90 day visa.

Vientienne a good place to get a non O visa?

Yes

Vientiane is a good place to get the non-o visa. Just show your passport to prove your age. And your bank book showing 800k baht in the account

I guess things have changed a lot since I used to make regular visa runs years ago. I take it I have to tell them that I want the visa so that I can request a extension based on retirement ..Fair enough

I will start making plans..Thanks again

Posted

You can apply for the extension during the last 30 days of the 90 day permit to stay that the non-o visa you will need to get will allow you to obtain on entry to the country.

Ok now I get it--Go and get a 90 day NON-o visa--enter thailand and apply for extension during the last 30 days of that 90 day visa.

Vientienne a good place to get a non O visa?

Yes

Vientiane is a good place to get the non-o visa. Just show your passport to prove your age. And your bank book showing 800k baht in the account

I guess things have changed a lot since I used to make regular visa runs years ago. I take it I have to tell them that I want the visa so that I can request a extension based on retirement ..Fair enough

I will start making plans..Thanks again

So glad you now appear to be un-confused !

Posted

I was hoping for worse case I could go to malaysia and get a visa that would qualify me to apply for the retirement visa

Amazing the OP is still seeking a "retirement visa" !

What you are seeking OP is an "extension of stay" based on retirement . To secure this extension of stay you will need 800.000 Bht in a Thai bank for a full 90 days or an income of 65,000 Bht /month as certified by you countries Embassy.

I really don't care if it called visa or extension of stay...and I am fully aware of the financial requirements--an earlier poster said it was 60 days for initial application---

"I really don't care if it called visa or extension of stay ..."

But as the comments in the thread should illustrate, the distinction is important both in your current situation and in the future.

If/when you get an extension of stay based on retirement, it does not function like a visa. Among other things, once obtained, if you want to travel outside of Thailand you will need a re-entry permit to be able to return to Thailand without losing your extension. Also, since you will probably be in country for periods of 90 days or more on the extension, you will need to do 90 day reports.

​Some of the confusion over what you can or cannot do at this point is generated by thinking of visas and extensions as being synonymous.

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"Amazing the OP is still seeking a "retirement visa" !"

the nit picking over wording is kind of pointless. If you knew what the OP wanted, enough to correct him, then why not just let it go.

Visa or extension, the OP wants to stay in Thailand and gave a pretty clear description of his situation.

Yeah, that's the way I felt. The Pecksniffian air of superiority in several posts in this thread was so thick I could spread it with a butter knife. For goodness sakes, we're not dealing (usually) with people who deal with this terminology every day. It's a semantic triviality. When I speak to Thai people I am aware that my Thai is probably awful, but they usually understand what I'm trying to say and will sometimes supply the word I'm trying to find. When I was hanging out in bars and chatting with young ladies of negotiable affection, I normally could figure out what they were trying to say, even though their grammar was not flawless, university level, formal quality. Breathe through your mouth. (That's from advice for uptight people: You don't get extra points when you run a marathon if you only breathe through your nose the whole way. After a while it's a lot easier to open your mouth and just gasp).

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Posted

<snip>

"Amazing the OP is still seeking a "retirement visa" !"

the nit picking over wording is kind of pointless. If you knew what the OP wanted, enough to correct him, then why not just let it go.

Visa or extension, the OP wants to stay in Thailand and gave a pretty clear description of his situation.

Yeah, that's the way I felt. The Pecksniffian air of superiority in several posts in this thread was so thick I could spread it with a butter knife. For goodness sakes, we're not dealing (usually) with people who deal with this terminology every day. It's a semantic triviality. When I speak to Thai people I am aware that my Thai is probably awful, but they usually understand what I'm trying to say and will sometimes supply the word I'm trying to find. When I was hanging out in bars and chatting with young ladies of negotiable affection, I normally could figure out what they were trying to say, even though their grammar was not flawless, university level, formal quality. Breathe through your mouth. (That's from advice for uptight people: You don't get extra points when you run a marathon if you only breathe through your nose the whole way. After a while it's a lot easier to open your mouth and just gasp).

Acharn --You are absolutely right....I was talking to a thai lawyer today who deals with this visa stuff every day and even he referred to it as a retirement visa--we both knew what he was talking about

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Not much of a lawyer is he? ^^^^^^

Unfortunately people come here and ask about Retirement Visas when they could mean.

O-A Visas, Non O Visas, Extensions of stay. etc.

They ask about Marriage Visas when they could mean Non O visas, Extensions of Stay. etc.

They ask about Tourist Visas when they could mean Tourist Visas, Visa exempt Entries. Visas on arrival etc.

They ask about Work Visas when they could mean Non Imm B Visas, Extensions of Stay or Work Permits.

They ask about Visas on Arrival when they probably mean Visa Exempt Entries.

And then they complain when they get wrong and conflicting information and advise.

Not easy to try and help.

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Posted

Not much of a lawyer is he? ^^^^^^

How would you know?--He actually explained everything very clearly and knew the nuances of the law very well.

Posted

Not much of a lawyer is he? ^^^^^^

How would you know?--He actually explained everything very clearly and knew the nuances of the law very well.

And he does not know what a Retirement Visa is. sad.png

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