Retirement Visa obtained outside Tland , how does multientry work

[chubby]

i'm a newbie, the one-stop is at chamchuri square and is or is not for "Proleum Act / Board of Investment Act / Industrial Estate Authority of Thailand Act" people only ? and/or what services can NOT be done at the 'one stop' ?

I will put it very simply that the immigration officer was wrong.

This from the immigration website. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/content/visaxpiredate.html

What does the Visa Expiration Date Mean?The visa expiration date is shown on the visa. Depending on the alien’s nationality, visas can be issued for any number of entries, from as little as one entry to as many as multiple (unlimited) entries, for the same purpose of travel.

• This generally means the visa is valid, or can be used from the date it is issued until the date it expires, for travel for the same purpose, when the visa is issued for multiple entry.
• This time period from the visa issuance date to visa expiration date as shown on the visa, is called visa validity. If you travel frequently as a tourist for example, with a multiple entry visa, you do not have to apply for a new visa each time you want to travel to Thailand.
• The visa validity is the length of time you are permitted to travel to a port-of-entry in Thailand to request permission of the immigration officer to permit you to enter Thailand. The visa does not guarantee entry to Thailand.
• The Expiration Date for the visa should not be confused with the authorized length of your stay in Thailand, given to you by the immigration officer at port-of-entry. The visa expiration date has nothing to do with the authorized length of your stay in Thailand for any given visit.
• Each time you arrive at the port-of-entry, an immigration officer decides whether to allow you to enter and how long you can stay. Only the immigration officer has the authority to permit you to enter Thailand.

We shall see who's right....luckily I will be spend a extra day in Bangkok so i will go to Chaing Wattana or the one stop to buy a re-entry permit.

[paz]

sorry, one other question, is there an expiry date for the re-entry permits ? how long are THEY valid for ? thanks

As explained in every similar topic: these expire together with permission of stay for which are issued.

[ubonjoe]

I will put it very simply that the immigration officer was wrong.

This from the immigration website. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/content/visaxpiredate.html

What does the Visa Expiration Date Mean?The visa expiration date is shown on the visa. Depending on the alien’s nationality, visas can be issued for any number of entries, from as little as one entry to as many as multiple (unlimited) entries, for the same purpose of travel.

• This generally means the visa is valid, or can be used from the date it is issued until the date it expires, for travel for the same purpose, when the visa is issued for multiple entry.
• This time period from the visa issuance date to visa expiration date as shown on the visa, is called visa validity. If you travel frequently as a tourist for example, with a multiple entry visa, you do not have to apply for a new visa each time you want to travel to Thailand.
• The visa validity is the length of time you are permitted to travel to a port-of-entry in Thailand to request permission of the immigration officer to permit you to enter Thailand. The visa does not guarantee entry to Thailand.
• The Expiration Date for the visa should not be confused with the authorized length of your stay in Thailand, given to you by the immigration officer at port-of-entry. The visa expiration date has nothing to do with the authorized length of your stay in Thailand for any given visit.
• Each time you arrive at the port-of-entry, an immigration officer decides whether to allow you to enter and how long you can stay. Only the immigration officer has the authority to permit you to enter Thailand.

We shall see who's right....luckily I will be spend a extra day in Bangkok so i will go to Chaing Wattana or the one stop to buy a re-entry permit.

There is no doubt that the written words are correct.

You cannot get a re-entry permit at the one stop center unless you are working and have BOI privileges.

You can get a re-entry permit at either airport in Bangkok 24 hours a day. At Suv they will charge a 200 fee and do the form, photos and copies for you. If DM you should take the photos and copies with you.

[TheAppletons]

sorry, one other question, is there an expiry date for the re-entry permits ? how long are THEY valid for ? thanks

To answer both of your most recent questions:

1. With an O-A visa you do 90 day reporting....you do not obtain visa extensions every 90 days nor are you required to leave the country.

2. The re-entry permit is valid until the expiration of your current permission to stay.

[chubby]

can 90 day reporting be done at 'one stop' chamchuri square, or like tourist visa extensions ? or is it for people on B visas or something ?

sorry, reading up, I see, I already knew the answer to the REPermit expiry date, I'm sort of wondering if, what the benefits would be for having the O-A visa over the 60day toursist with a 30 day extension, other than the CWattana visit, maybe I'd be allowed to get a motorcycle license, and drive and rent motorcycle with less worry upcountry or something ......?

I will put it very simply that the immigration officer was wrong.

This from the immigration website. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/content/visaxpiredate.html

What does the Visa Expiration Date Mean?The visa expiration date is shown on the visa. Depending on the alien’s nationality, visas can be issued for any number of entries, from as little as one entry to as many as multiple (unlimited) entries, for the same purpose of travel.

• This generally means the visa is valid, or can be used from the date it is issued until the date it expires, for travel for the same purpose, when the visa is issued for multiple entry.
• This time period from the visa issuance date to visa expiration date as shown on the visa, is called visa validity. If you travel frequently as a tourist for example, with a multiple entry visa, you do not have to apply for a new visa each time you want to travel to Thailand.
• The visa validity is the length of time you are permitted to travel to a port-of-entry in Thailand to request permission of the immigration officer to permit you to enter Thailand. The visa does not guarantee entry to Thailand.
• The Expiration Date for the visa should not be confused with the authorized length of your stay in Thailand, given to you by the immigration officer at port-of-entry. The visa expiration date has nothing to do with the authorized length of your stay in Thailand for any given visit.
• Each time you arrive at the port-of-entry, an immigration officer decides whether to allow you to enter and how long you can stay. Only the immigration officer has the authority to permit you to enter Thailand.

We shall see who's right....luckily I will be spend a extra day in Bangkok so i will go to Chaing Wattana or the one stop to buy a re-entry permit.

There is no doubt that the written words are correct.

You cannot get a re-entry permit at the one stop center unless you are working and have BOI privileges.

You can get a re-entry permit at either airport in Bangkok 24 hours a day. At Suv they will charge a 200 fee and do the form, photos and copies for you. If DM you should take the photos and copies with you.

[OJAS]

sorry, one other question, is there an expiry date for the re-entry permits ? how long are THEY valid for ? thanks

As explained in every similar topic: these expire together with permission of stay for which are issued.

So why is explaining it again such a major problem for you, paz?

[paz]

So why is explaining it again such a major problem for you, paz?

Not sure what point you tried to make with this, neither that I care much.

[Mrjlh]

I will put it very simply that the immigration officer was wrong.

This from the immigration website. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/content/visaxpiredate.html

What does the Visa Expiration Date Mean?The visa expiration date is shown on the visa. Depending on the alien’s nationality, visas can be issued for any number of entries, from as little as one entry to as many as multiple (unlimited) entries, for the same purpose of travel.

• This generally means the visa is valid, or can be used from the date it is issued until the date it expires, for travel for the same purpose, when the visa is issued for multiple entry.
• This time period from the visa issuance date to visa expiration date as shown on the visa, is called visa validity. If you travel frequently as a tourist for example, with a multiple entry visa, you do not have to apply for a new visa each time you want to travel to Thailand.
• The visa validity is the length of time you are permitted to travel to a port-of-entry in Thailand to request permission of the immigration officer to permit you to enter Thailand. The visa does not guarantee entry to Thailand.
• The Expiration Date for the visa should not be confused with the authorized length of your stay in Thailand, given to you by the immigration officer at port-of-entry. The visa expiration date has nothing to do with the authorized length of your stay in Thailand for any given visit.
• Each time you arrive at the port-of-entry, an immigration officer decides whether to allow you to enter and how long you can stay. Only the immigration officer has the authority to permit you to enter Thailand.

I went "back" to Korat Immirgation today. The lady at the info desk (two label bars) reconginzed me immediately and clearly understood the problem. It seems the "new" guy maybe on his way out along with his surpervisor who never disagrees with anyone. There may be a changing of the guard. I was passed on to the "new" boss who handled the issue very well. In/out in 10 minutes. The comment was made that this seemly inocuious policy has caused a great deal of problems for many because the wording can easily be misunderstood. They all agreed the expire date should be connected to the actual date of entry and not the date "use by". But that's not their decision to make. So I filled out a suggestion form suggesting it, not that it will be changed Ha Ha!

As true to form UbonJo is correct again!! Should never have doubted it. But just once Joe it would be fun to be able to say...gotch ya! LOL

[paz]

The comment was made that this seemly inocuious policy has caused a great deal of problems for many because the wording can easily be misunderstood. They all agreed the expire date should be connected to the actual date of entry and not the date "use by". But that's not their decision to make. So I filled out a suggestion form suggesting it, not that it will be changed Ha Ha!

If you think about it, a visa must have an "use by" date, otherwise they would be issued with infinite validity, which no country does. In this sense what Thailand does is normal and reasonable.

[Grin Grasser]

If you think about it, a visa must have an "use by" date, otherwise they would be issued with infinite validity, which no country does. In this sense what Thailand does is normal and reasonable.

Not exactly correct.

I am looking at my passport now, which has a Philippine visa.

The visa states: "Special Resident Retiree's Visa", "Entries: Multiple", and "Expiry Date Indefinite".

So, this visa has infinite validity and the Philippines issued it.

However, the visa can be cancelled. For example, I can withdraw my US$20,000 deposited into a special bank's certificate of deposit, with interest earnings paid separately to the PI government and to me. Another example is if I do not pay for a separate PI visa ID card at the rate of US$10 per year. I usually get a 3-year ID card. Further examples would probably include becoming a "persona non grata" for any of numerous reasons.

By the way, one airline checkin clerk (non-American) would not allow me to check in at a USA airport. She said that my Philippine visa could not be valid because it did not have an expiry date. I had to wait until all other passengers were checked in. Then the airline staff checked their computer and found that the Philippine visa was valid. Next they checked me in, but gave me a seat next to two non-English speaking senior Vietnamese peasants who smelled like no bath for a month. On the flight, the female reached over and grabbed the film/game control out of my hand without saying a word. No manners, or I guess that since Vietnam won the war they were entitled to anything an American had. I yelled at her and took the control back. So, do not spread the word that a visa has to have a "use by" date.

Your words are correct probably for most types of visa. But, there is an exception.

Post and learn.

[chubby]

I was just reading the stickweekly blog and I'm guess I'm re-confused. I was under the impression that a 'retirement visa' ( ?a O-A) allowed one to be stamped into the country for 1 year, and just do reporting. But your saying on a "retirment visa" (Non-O) your having to leave the country every 90 days ?

+ what's difference if any Non-O vs O-A obtained outside the country (e.g. in the USA)

heres this week sunbelt SW question(amended):

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Question 1: I would like to get a retirement visa or even better, I think a 1-year non-immigrant visa. I am over 50, and have sufficient funds to open a bank account with 800,000 baht. I have no pension, I still work in the US 4 months per year, April & May, and September & October - so I would need multiple entry. My question, even after doing some research, is how and where to open the bank account? It seems a chicken and egg problem - I can't get the visa without a bank account and can't get the bank account without a visa. Or is the visa process multi-step?

Sunbelt Legal responds: You can apply for a non-O visa in your home country before coming to Thailand, you can apply for the non-O visa at the Thai Embassy or Consulate on the basis of retirement. Most likely they will give you the single entry visa valid for 90 days.

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I got a Non O multi entry 1 year retirement visa from England even though I have a U.S passport in 2010 ( when it was easy to do that). It isn't so easy now.

Anyway your multi entry visa was good for one year from date of issue , not date of entry to Thailand, but from date of issue by the Thai consulate

Each entry to Thailand was good for a 90 day entry stamp, then you had to leave the country, and on return you got another 90 day entry stamp in your passport.

You could do this until the 1 year validity of the visa ran out..... then, in my case, I applied for a retirement extension by qualifying with the 800K Thai Baht financial requirement, and have been doing that annually since 2010.

Now you can get a O-A retirement visa in your home country which is slightly different than the Non O I got in 2010.

Slightly different details, but basically same idea.

P,S, you can apply for permanent residence in Thailand but it requires 3 years of working and paying Thai taxes here and is NOT any easy process.

[Maestro]

Difficulties with answering visa questions usually arise from the fact that a question uses unofficial terms that mean different things to different people, terms like "retirement visa" and "1-year non-immigrant visa"

The question with which you started this topic has been answered exhaustively. It is wrong for you to now come and ask the readers of this topic to analyse and discuss a similar question asked and answered on a different website. Therefore, this topic is now closed.