Dmaxdan Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Hi All About a week ago I submitted my Marriage Extension at Chiang Mai immigration. This is my 6th extension and everything went smoothly. no problems and it is now under review. I have just found out that SCB, who I bank with are in the process of changing all bank account numbers, not just mine but everybody (as far as I can work out) who banks with them. So I have the same account but a new number. Everything in my visa application has my old account number. There is a very good chance that I am not the only expat out there this might affect. I have spoken to the bank, and they have said ' its no problem. if immigration call us we will explain that we have recently changed all the account numbers'. Does anybody out there think this is a major issue with my application, or am I worrying about nothing....... Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted July 21, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) What kind of account? That is very surprising to hear. I have SCB savings account with passbook. The passbook has the account number on it. I don't see how they can change the account number without changing the passbook. I can see how this would be a problem with immigration. I would also be a problem for a lot of things like preset wire agreements stating the current account number. Have never heard of a bank doing such a thing to all accounts. Perhaps some accounts if they have been compromised. Edited July 21, 2015 by Jingthing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit_Doggie Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Scb are changing cetain things around it seems glad i still bank with kaz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 If this is really happening, does anyone have a link from the bank explaining what's up with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Does anyone have a source for this "changing all account numbers"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Just checked online vs. my passbooks. No change at all. I am quite certain that there is a misunderstanding/lost in translation. Not by chance: your "old" account was a fixed deposit account that matured? And they routinely rolled it over to a new account (if you don't tell them to take the fingers off)? Did you get a new passbook for this new number? If so, you will have trouble at the immigration office if the new account does not fulfill the seasoning requirement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmaxdan Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 What kind of account? That is very surprising to hear. I have SCB savings account with passbook. The passbook has the account number on it. I don't see how they can change the account number without changing the passbook. I can see how this would be a problem with immigration. I would also be a problem for a lot of things like preset wire agreements stating the current account number. Have never heard of a bank doing such a thing to all accounts. Perhaps some accounts if they have been compromised. I have the same account as you and I have had it for 6 years. It has always been excepted by immigration.The girl in the bank wrote down my new number and it's different than what is in my bank book. She did not offer to give me a new book as yet. My wife, who has the same type of account received a letter today from SCB explaining why her number is changing. I am still none the wiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 So what does it say in the letter as to WHY the number change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Speculating: has the branch where the account was originally opened been closed? It might be that accounts are being transferred into another branch and being renumbered in the process. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Lao Beach Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 So Green Bank shuts down for a couple of Days without advising customers, Purple Bank changes account numbers withut advising cutomers, anyone prediciding what Blue, Yellow or Pink Bank will do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmaxdan Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 So what does it say in the letter as to WHY the number change? The letter is in Thai, which I can not read and my wife's English when it comes to issues like banking is not that strong. We are going to the branch that the accounts were opened tomorrow morning to try and get to the bottom of it. And then probably immigration...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chiang mai Posted July 21, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2015 So Green Bank shuts down for a couple of Days without advising customers, Purple Bank changes account numbers withut advising cutomers, anyone prediciding what Blue, Yellow or Pink Bank will do ? Green Bank warned people six weeks beforehand, in branch, in the papers and on TV, sadly nobody came to your house and told you in person! 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunBENQ Posted July 21, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) So Green Bank shuts down for a couple of Days without advising customers, Purple Bank changes account numbers withut advising cutomers, anyone prediciding what Blue, Yellow or Pink Bank will do ? What a nonsense. At least a month beforehand, on the website and mutliple other channels. About every expat forum in different languages mirrored the information, blogs etc.pp. Repeatedly discussed in the forum. Is this thread developing to a conspiration circle? No changes at my purple bank, no changes at my green bank, no changes at my blue bank (SCB, K-Bank, Bangkok Bank). Edited July 21, 2015 by KhunBENQ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) So what does it say in the letter as to WHY the number change? The letter is in Thai, which I can not read and my wife's English when it comes to issues like banking is not that strong. We are going to the branch that the accounts were opened tomorrow morning to try and get to the bottom of it. And then probably immigration...... It really sounds like an isolated incident. Without seeing the letter impossible to judge. If just the first three digits have changed, it could be something with merging branches? Edited July 21, 2015 by KhunBENQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suradit69 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 So Green Bank shuts down for a couple of Days without advising customers, Purple Bank changes account numbers withut advising cutomers, anyone prediciding what Blue, Yellow or Pink Bank will do ? Kasikorn did about everything it could to warn customers aside from sponsoring a parade past your house. There were even 4 or 5 separate mentions of it on Thai Visa, including a multipage thread. And, apparently SCB will also be shutting down ATMs in August : http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/842191-scb-atm-service-nationwide-will-be-temporarily-offline-for-enhancement/?p=9645491&hl=%2Bkasikorn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Does anyone have a source for this "changing all account numbers"? Thank goodness I left the incompetent SCB a few years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 So Green Bank shuts down for a couple of Days without advising customers, Purple Bank changes account numbers withut advising cutomers, anyone prediciding what Blue, Yellow or Pink Bank will do ? Probably nothing, unless there is more money in it for them, after all, they are banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Immigration is your first problem. If you are a US citizen, the account number change is going to need to be reflected when you file you FBAR FinCEN Report 114 next year. I'd fire them. Imho, Bangkok Bank provides more robust banking services for US citizens. If you're not a US citizen? I'd still fire them, pull my money out, and place in in to bank that has some customer service skills. Edited July 21, 2015 by connda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomthai Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) I've banked with SCB for 11 years. Never had a problem, I hold saving, fixed depost, a mortgage and an unsecured credit card with them. Customer service has always been fine. My account numbers haven't changed in that time. I also got the email regards ATM's on August the 8th. - A whooping 6 hours without service 11pm to 5am - hardly a big deal is it. Dear Customers, Please be advised that Siam Commercial Bank will temporarily close its ATM system nationwide for upgrading from 11:00 p.m. on Saturday, August 8, 2015 to 5.00 a.m. on Sunday, August 9, 2015. The upgraded system will support the growing number of transactions and enhance security. During the upgrade period, the following services will be temporarily unavailable: 1. SCB ATM / Debit / Speedy / MCMC Prompt cards will be unusable in all SCB channels and all other bank ATM machines. 2. SCB Credit Cards will be unusable for cash advances at all SCB channels and all other bank ATM machines. 3. Fund transfer to and from other banks via SCB Easy Net and Easy App will be unavailable. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience. Edited July 21, 2015 by Pomthai 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotpoom Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Why not just take the bank's word for it and stop what seems to be unnecessary worrying...they said they will explain all to Immigration if they call them or you could get it in writing from the bank and have it ready, if you feel that might alleviate your concerns. Edited July 21, 2015 by dotpoom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I've banked with SCB for 11 years. Never had a problem, I hold saving, fixed depost, a mortgage and an unsecured credit card with them. Customer service has always been fine. My account numbers haven't changed in that time. I also got the email regards ATM's on August the 8th. - A whooping 6 hours without service 11pm to 5am - hardly a big deal is it. Dear Customers, Please be advised that Siam Commercial Bank will temporarily close its ATM system nationwide for upgrading from 11:00 p.m. on Saturday, August 8, 2015 to 5.00 a.m. on Sunday, August 9, 2015. The upgraded system will support the growing number of transactions and enhance security. During the upgrade period, the following services will be temporarily unavailable: 1. SCB ATM / Debit / Speedy / MCMC Prompt cards will be unusable in all SCB channels and all other bank ATM machines. 2. SCB Credit Cards will be unusable for cash advances at all SCB channels and all other bank ATM machines. 3. Fund transfer to and from other banks via SCB Easy Net and Easy App will be unavailable. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience. I'm talking about Kasikorn, unless SCB also follows suit and changes account numbers. This has tax implications for foreigners, and to just act like "Mai Bpen Freaking Rai" is not the correct answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil2 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 When GSB did it some years ago, it was because they wanted to shortened the account numbers as the old ones were too long. But the old account numbers were still usable several years after the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 For FBAR reporting Americans this would certainly be a twist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukKrueng Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Don't know about SCB, but Kasikorn had all their services stopped last weekend (from Friday 22:00 till Monday morning) in order to move to a new computerized system. About 2 weeks ago I was told by a teller at my branch that the current account numbering system has run out of numbers for new accounts, and they are adding digits the account numbers. Asked how will it effect me, she said it won't. They'll just add some '0' in front of my current account number. On Friday I went to the bank just to verify the closing times of the system, and the brunch manager said the same - the current system can't accommodate new accounts anymore. However - he said the new account numbering system will be completely different from what it is now, and obviously existing account numbers will change. At the moment, in all the banks it is the same system: xxx-x-xxxxx-x where the left most 2 digits are bank's brunch number, the single digit is type of account (1=current, 2 = savings, 3 = fixed savings) and the rest of the digits are the actual account number. At the moment each branch stocks pre-numbered empty bank book with which to open new accounts. The new system the account numbering will be handled by the bank's head office, and the account number will no longer refer to the brunch.... I assume all big banks will change to a new similar system in the near future, and I am sure immigration people are aware of such changes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukKrueng Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 So Green Bank shuts down for a couple of Days without advising customers, Purple Bank changes account numbers withut advising cutomers, anyone prediciding what Blue, Yellow or Pink Bank will do ? Green bank DID notify. I got an email from them about a week before: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pib Posted July 21, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2015 For FBAR reporting Americans this would certainly be a twist. Why? It's just an account number change...no big deal regarding FBAR submission as it don't affect your aggregate amount at any point in time point during the year in determining if a FBAR has to be submitted or not. If his aggregate amount at any point in time exceeded $10K then just reflect both account numbers as separate entries on the FBAR. Heck a person could say have $10,001 in one foreign account on 1 Jan (or at any point during the year) to trigger an FBAR, close the account, move the money to a new account, and then just have two entries on his FBAR. Close that account, move the money to a new account, now you have three entries. Repeat adding entries as necessary. But the point is the aggregate value at any point in time was still on $10,001. And if a person say had only $10K (or less) in that 1 Jan account versus the $10,001 and they did above mentioned account closings and new account openings then no FBAR is required since the person never exceeded $10K at any point in time during the year because your old account was closed a millisecond before the money was transferred to the new account. This assumes the old account money was rolled over/transferred in total to fund the new account. But getting back to the OP's situation of dealing with immigration for his marriage visa, I had similar situation around 3 years ago for my annual retirement extension of stay renewal. When I rolled over my matured Bangkok Bank fixed account savings account into a new fixed account I "thought" I would keep the same account number, but no. The old fixed account was closed with the rolling over of the money into the new account. I did this about 2 months before my application time for my retirement extension where three months money seasoning time is required. On the day I applied for my extension I provided the bank's account info and copies of the new passbook....the immigration officer looked at the letter for amount one second and then closely looked at the passbook copies to confirm the money had been seasoned for at least three months...the officer spots that it has only been seasoned for two months. I then explain I had rolled over the entire amount of a matured fixed account (a 7 month fixed account...maybe it was 11 months) into the new account...showed the immigration officer the old, closed account passbook...the amounts in the old and new passbooks matched to the stang....the officer said OK...extension approved. With the OP's bank providing a letter explaining the account number change I seriously doubt the OP will have any issue. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainman333 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 maybe they got hacked and are changing everyones account numbers in response....... while at the same time not having to admit they got hacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMBob Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 For US citizens who have no need to file a FBAR, multiple account numbers in a given year is meaningless (other than something to talk about, I suppose). I have to file the online FBAR (and the 8938 form with my income tax return) and, while my two account numbers at SCB have not changed, it won't make any difference to me if they do as I'll just use whatever number is on the accounts as of the last day of the year. Presuming SCB might report new and old account numbers to the IRS or Treasury and it creates some confusion, I'll worry about that later if/when I ever get an inquiry letter. I do agree there's a bit of built-in confusion on both forms when it comes to anyone who, as mentioned, has a timed account, it matures, and you "roll it over" into a new account with a new number. In that case (it's happened to me), I end up having to report both account numbers and the highest amount at any one time in the year for each account - which makes it look (to someone reading the form) that I actually have more money in the bank than I actually do. But, again, it's relatively easy to do both the online fFBAR and the 8938 form. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Perhaps they are adding numbers in-front to comply with international or IBAN standards? All depends on the immigration official, some can be pedantic,others are more realistic. Why can SCB not modify their standard letter to include a statement on the numerical change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Joe Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Changing account numbers is nothing compared to what my bank did. I opened an account with Bangkok Metropolitan Bank (Beach Rd Branch) and when I returned the bank was gone. I found out I now had an account at Siam City Bank (2nd Rd). I returned from another trip and again couldn't find my bank. I seldom went in person after setting up direct payment of phone and electric bills. I knew I was within a block or so of where I thought it was and as I was driving by Thanachart Bank I glanced over and recognized a manager from Siam City Bank. I stopped and went in and found out I now had a Thanachart Bank account. The branch stayed in the same location, they just remodeled and changed colors. There are a few advantages for me if I have a Bangkok Bank account but rather than open one I figure it'll just happen by itself someday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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