Phuket beach business demolition continues, more to follow

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Phuket beach business demolition continues, more to follow
Tanyaluk Sakoot


The buildings were demolished after Saku OrBorTor gave warnings to the owners to move out. Photo Third Navy Command

PHUKET: -- Three buildings on Naiyang beach were demolished yesterday (August 5) after the ownerʼs deadline to show land ownership documents expired.

Speaking as the demolition was taking place, Lt Sompop Kamkana of the Royal Thai Navy’s Third Area Command said, “We are here to work with and look after officials from the Saku District Administration Organisation as they demolish illegal structures including Octopus and No. 4 Seafood Restaurant & Bar.

“The owners of these businesses had previously refused to remove from the beach. However, today they have finally agreed to cooperate with Saku OrBorTor Saku officials.

“Saku OrBorTor have been ordered to demolish all the buildings of Naiyang Beach, and if they do not do so by tomorrow (August 6) we will do it for them.

“However, everything must be removed from Naiyang beach in two days.

The owner of one of the venues demolished – the Ocotpus restaurant, which displayed a signed stating "Since 1986" – told a presenter from The Phuket Newsʼ Phuket Extra TV News that he had an officially stamped document which proved he was the owner so officials had no right to demolish the building just yet.

He said, the owners of the businesses had to appeal the order “And we did... we have done that within 30 days,"the owners said.

"Normally, when they do this they have to stop because we have already taken the matter to court...
"They cannot do this, but they don't listen to us. They only say they want to destroy [the buildings]."

Meanwhile, Lt Sompop also said that his team would next move on to Lea Pang Beach which is the responsibility of the Cherng Talay OrBorTor.

“There are five restaurants on Lea Pang beach which have already been reported to the Royal Thai Navy’s Third Area Commander, and a letter advising them to move will be issued in the next few days,” he said.

Source: http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-beach-business-demolishion-continues-more-to-follow-53519.php

-- Phuket News 2015-08-06

[steelepulse]

Meanwhile at Surin Beach............... buildings are way past their last chances yet still stand with a new big building being completed as we speak.

[LivinginKata]

Meanwhile at Surin Beach............... buildings are way past their last chances yet still stand with a new big building being completed as we speak.

Corruption always prevails here in Thailand..... and many other places in the world.

Edited August 6, 2015 by LivinginKata

[LeungKen]

Indigo Pearl must be beside themselves with joy now that the last few businesses have been removed between them and the beach.

I wonder how long it will be before they start to expand their beach frontage ?

[Pinot]

Meanwhile at Surin Beach............... buildings are way past their last chances yet still stand with a new big building being completed as we speak.

It is unbelievable that Surin OrBorTor isn't in the monkey house after what he allowed Surin to become. And what remains there to this day!

I look at anything like this demolition as progress.

[zaphod reborn]

The restaurant owners have benefited from corruption in the land registration department in Phuket. As such, the army is correct in demolishing the illegal structures. However, I would have liked to see a more rational approach employed. A survey of the Naiyang Beach area should have been done, to establish whether this land should be clear to benefit the public, or is it better to allow the restaurants to continue operating. If the latter, they could have given the restaurants some compromise options, including payment for use of the land, providing public access to the beach, or making improvements that would benefit beach-goers. Demolition is a harsh remedy and may not be the best option.

[spidermike007]

Anytime illegal buildings are demolished, it is a positive thing for the area. A little bit of law and order goes a long way toward improving quality of life. Thais are not accustomed to law and order, so it must be very disorienting for these businesses.

[monty1412]

Im surprised this wasn't listed by the Navy as one of the reasons they need submarines... so we can utilise our Navy personnel in Naval affairs rather than beach demolitions

[rethaier]

The elite Yellow Shirts are removing the competition.

[Oziex1]

Seemed like a good idea at first, now I am concerned as to who will get to build what on these sites.

Also how about a little controlled dismantling in the interest of recycling at least some of the building materials.

Edited August 6, 2015 by Oziex1

[Benmart]

Meanwhile at Surin Beach............... buildings are way past their last chances yet still stand with a new big building being completed as we speak.

Corruption always prevails here in Thailand..... and many other places in the world.

True, but my concern is Thailand, as I live here.

[Bangkok Barry]

The restaurant owners have benefited from corruption in the land registration department in Phuket. As such, the army is correct in demolishing the illegal structures. However, I would have liked to see a more rational approach employed. A survey of the Naiyang Beach area should have been done, to establish whether this land should be clear to benefit the public, or is it better to allow the restaurants to continue operating. If the latter, they could have given the restaurants some compromise options, including payment for use of the land, providing public access to the beach, or making improvements that would benefit beach-goers. Demolition is a harsh remedy and may not be the best option.

Your proposal sounds reasonable. Except it would open the gates to anyone to build first and seek permission after. It was not their land to build on. Far too many people in Thailand seem to treat public space as their own, be it simple stall holders who force people to walk in the road because they block the sidewalk, to self-styled vips who build mansions in national parks. Hopefully, those days are over. If you want land you pay for it, just like in the Real World. You don't just set up a business or home and then treat it as a Fait Accompli.

[Braddockrd]

Well done. Raze them all

[wvavin]

Meanwhile at Surin Beach............... buildings are way past their last chances yet still stand with a new big building being completed as we sp

The brown envelopes have been delivered promptly.

[Colabamumbai]

The restaurant owners have benefited from corruption in the land registration department in Phuket. As such, the army is correct in demolishing the illegal structures. However, I would have liked to see a more rational approach employed. A survey of the Naiyang Beach area should have been done, to establish whether this land should be clear to benefit the public, or is it better to allow the restaurants to continue operating. If the latter, they could have given the restaurants some compromise options, including payment for use of the land, providing public access to the beach, or making improvements that would benefit beach-goers. Demolition is a harsh remedy and may not be the best option.

Your proposal sounds reasonable. Except it would open the gates to anyone to build first and seek permission after. It was not their land to build on. Far too many people in Thailand seem to treat public space as their own, be it simple stall holders who force people to walk in the road because they block the sidewalk, to self-styled vips who build mansions in national parks. Hopefully, those days are over. If you want land you pay for it, just like in the Real World. You don't just set up a business or home and then treat it as a Fait Accompli.

This is Thailand, your last sentence does not apply here. This is not the real world and you do set up a business where ever the hell you like and who cares how many people they inconvenience, every home is a shophouse. Their public space is whoever takes it first. Like a dog pissing on a tire to claim it, they will be there.

Edited August 6, 2015 by Rimmer
quotes fixed and duplicate post removed

[stevenl]

The restaurant owners have benefited from corruption in the land registration department in Phuket. As such, the army is correct in demolishing the illegal structures. However, I would have liked to see a more rational approach employed. A survey of the Naiyang Beach area should have been done, to establish whether this land should be clear to benefit the public, or is it better to allow the restaurants to continue operating. If the latter, they could have given the restaurants some compromise options, including payment for use of the land, providing public access to the beach, or making improvements that would benefit beach-goers. Demolition is a harsh remedy and may not be the best option.

Your proposal sounds reasonable. Except it would open the gates to anyone to build first and seek permission after. It was not their land to build on. Far too many people in Thailand seem to treat public space as their own, be it simple stall holders who force people to walk in the road because they block the sidewalk, to self-styled vips who build mansions in national parks. Hopefully, those days are over. If you want land you pay for it, just like in the Real World. You don't just set up a business or home and then treat it as a Fait Accompli.

This is Thailand, your last sentence does not apply here. This is not the real world and you do set up a business where ever the hell you like and who cares how many people they inconvenience, every home is a shophouse. Their public space is whoever takes it first. Like a dog pissing on a tire to claim it, they will be there.

Apparently not.

[magnacarta]

Meanwhile at Surin Beach............... buildings are way past their last chances yet still stand with a new big building being completed as we speak.

Corruption always prevails here in Thailand..... and many other places in the world.

It's about Thailand not other places in the world,your comment is no defence.Simple really open a topic aboout anything anywhere.

[magnacarta]

The restaurant owners have benefited from corruption in the land registration department in Phuket. As such, the army is correct in demolishing the illegal structures. However, I would have liked to see a more rational approach employed. A survey of the Naiyang Beach area should have been done, to establish whether this land should be clear to benefit the public, or is it better to allow the restaurants to continue operating. If the latter, they could have given the restaurants some compromise options, including payment for use of the land, providing public access to the beach, or making improvements that would benefit beach-goers. Demolition is a harsh remedy and may not be the best option.

Your proposal sounds reasonable. Except it would open the gates to anyone to build first and seek permission after. It was not their land to build on. Far too many people in Thailand seem to treat public space as their own, be it simple stall holders who force people to walk in the road because they block the sidewalk, to self-styled vips who build mansions in national parks. Hopefully, those days are over. If you want land you pay for it, just like in the Real World. You don't just set up a business or home and then treat it as a Fait Accompli.

This is Thailand, your last sentence does not apply here. This is not the real world and you do set up a business where ever the hell you like and who cares how many people they inconvenience, every home is a shophouse. Their public space is whoever takes it first. Like a dog pissing on a tire to claim it, they will be there.

Apparently not.

Bit of a vague response from you,I thought you were a defender of the faith.

[NamKangMan]

Meanwhile at Surin Beach............... buildings are way past their last chances yet still stand with a new big building being completed as we speak.

I can only see this becoming a big problem on Phuket.

The corruption on Phuket is huge, but as long as everyone was allowed to make money, and "pay the master" - everyone was happy.

Now, "selective enforcement" is taking place, and as funny as it sounds, the injustice of that, in my opinion, is going to cause island wide problems here between "connected" locals.

Basically, it will be hard for them to understand why their corrupt payment is not as good as the other guy's corrupt payment.

[Brer Fox]

Meanwhile at Surin Beach............... buildings are way past their last chances yet still stand with a new big building being completed as we speak.

Corruption always prevails here in Thailand..... and many other places in the world.

True, but my concern is Thailand, as I live here.

We all know exactly your concerns for Thailand from the repetitious boring three syllable pontifications you make. You have previously pronounced in so few words that you are the Grand High Poo Baa of Farang in Thailand. Sober up and get a life.

[fgmr]

Anytime illegal buildings are demolished, it is a positive thing for the area. A little bit of law and order goes a long way toward improving quality of life. Thais are not accustomed to law and order, so it must be very disorienting for these businesses.

Meanwhile? What are those Go GO GOH dancers going to do to support their families?

[NamKangMan]

Anytime illegal buildings are demolished, it is a positive thing for the area. A little bit of law and order goes a long way toward improving quality of life. Thais are not accustomed to law and order, so it must be very disorienting for these businesses.

Meanwhile? What are those Go GO GOH dancers going to do to support their families?

Meanwhile, who cares????

[spidermike007]

Anytime illegal buildings are demolished, it is a positive thing for the area. A little bit of law and order goes a long way toward improving quality of life. Thais are not accustomed to law and order, so it must be very disorienting for these businesses.

Meanwhile? What are those Go GO GOH dancers going to do to support their families?

It is always a crime against humanity to put a go go dancer out of work. But, the owners knew when they built the building that there was a chance this could happen. Of course the mayor they paid off is no longer around. He left with his $250,000,000, that he more than likely collected from hundreds of businesses over the years. Article 44 states that any official caught accepting bribes, or collecting illicit money in the pursuit of his job, is liable for severe punishment. How many mayors, provincial governors, and ministers are being charged at this point in time?

Edited August 6, 2015 by spidermike007

[cookee68]

The restaurant owners have benefited from corruption in the land registration department in Phuket. As such, the army is correct in demolishing the illegal structures. However, I would have liked to see a more rational approach employed. A survey of the Naiyang Beach area should have been done, to establish whether this land should be clear to benefit the public, or is it better to allow the restaurants to continue operating. If the latter, they could have given the restaurants some compromise options, including payment for use of the land, providing public access to the beach, or making improvements that would benefit beach-goers. Demolition is a harsh remedy and may not be the best option.

You dont make deals with people who take before asking or even owning, they took away what should not have been there, no need to compromise, good on them

[F4UCorsair]

Anytime illegal buildings are demolished, it is a positive thing for the area. A little bit of law and order goes a long way toward improving quality of life. Thais are not accustomed to law and order, so it must be very disorienting for these businesses.

As Emperor Qing said, "Kill one...........frighten a thousand"!!!

[thaibeachlovers]

EXCELLENT. Let the antisocial greedy scum developers lose big time. I suppose it's too much to hope for jail time for these criminals?

Now they need to move on demolishing all the illegal encroachment below high tide along the beach south of Hua Hin.

[Nobb]

I feel sorry for the owners of these beach businesses but if you sell your soul to the devil some day you will be burnt. They all ready made there money minus the grafts by operating there for free all these years.

Edited August 7, 2015 by Nobb

[thaibeachlovers]

I feel sorry for the owners of these beach businesses but if you sell your soul to the devil some day you will be burnt. They all ready made there money minus the grafts by operating there for free all these years.

Why feel sorry for them? They are in fact criminals that have ruined beaches in the name of greed.

[Bulldozer Dawn]

Meanwhile at Surin Beach............... buildings are way past their last chances yet still stand with a new big building being completed as we speak.

I can only see this becoming a big problem on Phuket.

The corruption on Phuket is huge, but as long as everyone was allowed to make money, and "pay the master" - everyone was happy.

Now, "selective enforcement" is taking place, and as funny as it sounds, the injustice of that, in my opinion, is going to cause island wide problems here between "connected" locals.

Basically, it will be hard for them to understand why their corrupt payment is not as good as the other guy's corrupt payment.

Not quite correct. Envelopes previously came to rest on a table in Phuket. In the wake of the coup they now come to rest on a table in Bangkok.

In the past, some businesses got mates rates because of local family, or friend, connections, and so their envelopes were somewhat thinner than others. However, the owner of the table in Bangkok, now wants all envelopes to be the same thickness. Some can provide an envelope of the correct thickness. Some cannot and, in time, a bulldozer arrives at their premises.

[Oziex1]

Meanwhile at Surin Beach............... buildings are way past their last chances yet still stand with a new big building being completed as we speak.

I can only see this becoming a big problem on Phuket.

The corruption on Phuket is huge, but as long as everyone was allowed to make money, and "pay the master" - everyone was happy.

Now, "selective enforcement" is taking place, and as funny as it sounds, the injustice of that, in my opinion, is going to cause island wide problems here between "connected" locals.

Basically, it will be hard for them to understand why their corrupt payment is not as good as the other guy's corrupt payment.

I believe the term connected refers to the situation that you are either connected or you are not and the ones who have lost their beach front business's are clearly no longer connected.

I also agree with the poster on the issue of uniformity of the payments, Phuket is a major cash cow and like coastal real estate the world over if you want to live or have a business there you have to be able to afford it and it aint cheap.