Lite Beer Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Angry fishing groups want govt funds to help with career change or buy their boatsKAMPANART KHANTRAKUL,MATTANA LADDASIRIPORN,SANTIPARP RAMASUTTHE SUNDAY NATION BANGKOK: -- THE FISHERIES sector has called on the government to set up a fund to support fishermen changing careers following the implementation of sweeping industry reforms.The move came after an order was issued by the National Council for Peace and Order, under Section 44 of interim constitution, that will result in illegal fishing vessels and equipment being seized or destroyed and vessel owners facing up to five years in jail and/or fines of between Bt100,000 and Bt500,000.The order was published in the |Royal Gazette in Thursday and is now in effect.Songkhla Fishery Association president Praporn Ekuru said he wanted the government to review it actions because 90 per cent of fishing boats in this southern province had stopped operating. And this was also affecting related businesses."If the government wants to overhaul the whole structure of Thai fisheries, they should also help the fishermen by setting up a [career change] fund or buy the fishing boats from them," he said.Mongkol Sukcharoenkhana, vice president of Thai Fishery Association, said the latest order should have been explained to the industry first.He said the new standard for mesh, which states that net holes must be bigger than five centimetres, was an issue because it took up to two months to waive mesh. So, fishermen should be given a 90-day grace period.Push-net fishermen 'killed'"This new guideline is too strict and |is like killing push-net fishermen," said Samut Sakhon Fishery Association pre-sident Kamjorn Mongkoltrilak, in reference to the NCPO order, which prohibits six "destructive" pieces of fishing equipment including anchovy dip nets and push nets.Somkiet Samattakan, adviser to the Thai Anchovy Dip Net and Push-Net Vessel Federation, said the order caused trouble for many trawler operators and the government did not seek fishermen's opinions before issuing it, disregarding the history of fishery operations."If this continues, it will mean a dead end for fishery professions," he said.Pornsak Yaemklin, head of an anchovy dip-net vessel group, said trawler operators with anchovy dip-nets were hurting and awaiting government aid when they received a second blow with the issuance of the latest order.An Adviser to the Samut Sakhon Push-Net Vessels Club, Wicharn Sirichai-ekawat, said the order had many flaws.He said more academic information should have been obtained before banning fishing equipment, with each item studied to see how it could be adjusted to be legal, while trawlers with legal resized push-|nets should be allowed to fish in some |areas.The order clarified previous Command Centre for Combating Illegal Fishing measures and designates penalties for offences to support policies aimed at tackling illegal, unregulated and unreported fishing by Thai vessels. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Angry-fishing-groups-want-govt-funds-to-help-with--30266225.html -- The Nation 2015-08-09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 We've been doing what we want forever and now because of some interfering foreigners the govt is going through the motions of making us obey the law until the fuss dies down. Well we can't wait and don't like being told what to do but we will, sort of, but it's going to cost the govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 We've been doing what we want forever and now because of some interfering foreigners the govt is going through the motions of making us obey the law until the fuss dies down. Well we can't wait and don't like being told what to do but we will, sort of, but it's going to cost the govt. Ruling party: "Never mind, it's just for the time being. Things will go back to normal very soon, and next time don't get caught" some sacrificial lambs for the time being won't stop the influential ones among those fishing mafia anyway...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojero Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 What! Requesting a populist program from THIS government? No no, bad bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Get the Government to pay twice the value for the boats, then store them in a warehouse,that would seem to be them norm for Thailand. regards Worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Why SHOULD the government help illegal fishermen? They knew they were breaking any number of laws and they were quite happy to do and keep the money and pay the government absolutely nothing. Now because they are are not allowed to fish illegally they want the government to pay? My personal advice to the fishing industry would be to find someone who really cares and tell them then ask for their help. Please don't bother the PM and current government as there are about 67,000,000 people in Thailand that need help more than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Let’s assume I own an illegal modified unfit aircraft or tour bus for commercial use without having a proper pilot or driver license. I end up in a road block or aircraft inspection and the vehicle is taken off the roads or skies. Would the government give me a new job, business, or would they buy the crap they confiscated? And don’t even try to convince me, all this is my own fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphMichaels Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Karma baby! Cheat and it will catch up with you anywhere else in the world. Hope it sticks tho industrial concerns will come in and pay their way through whilst cheating the system too. Which is the lesser of the two evils? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) I have absolutly no sympathy for the fishermen as I have made clear in a number of threads. They are responsible for the mess the industry has got into with their flagrant disregard for the rules and regulations and their rapacious exploration of the natural resources offered by the sea. However, it would do no harm to retrain them and buy the boats up. Might be expensive but in the long term everyone would benefit. Edited August 9, 2015 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Get the Government to pay twice the value for the boats, then store them in a warehouse,that would seem to be them norm for Thailand. regards Worgeordie Though in this case I would be quite happy to see the goods being stored rot and decay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Cleaning the fish house. They have been talking and studying this for over eight years.....I believe agreements were signed to abolish it years ago.........Wasnt news to these low life fisherscum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I have absolutly no sympathy for the fishermen as I have made clear in a number of threads. They are responsible for the mess the industry has got into with their flagrant disregard for the rules and regulations and their rapacious exploration of the natural resources offered by the sea. However, it would do no harm to retrain them and buy the boats up. Might be expensive but in the long term everyone would benefit. Actually the only people it would benefit would be the illegal fishermen. Everybody else would pay through tax and gain nothing. If the fishing boat people want compensation go the the owners and demand it. THEY are the ones who made the profits and not the government or the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I have absolutly no sympathy for the fishermen as I have made clear in a number of threads. They are responsible for the mess the industry has got into with their flagrant disregard for the rules and regulations and their rapacious exploration of the natural resources offered by the sea. However, it would do no harm to retrain them and buy the boats up. Might be expensive but in the long term everyone would benefit. Actually the only people it would benefit would be the illegal fishermen. Everybody else would pay through tax and gain nothing. If the fishing boat people want compensation go the the owners and demand it. THEY are the ones who made the profits and not the government or the country. I fully agree with the sentiment of your post and couldn't honestly criticise your position, as to a large extent I share it. The devastation being caused by these people is appalling and can only lead to a collapse of stocks. Their idiotic refusal to see this is staggering. However the fact is something has to be done about the fishing industry and part of the price is going to have to include some sort of retraining. As for buying boats, the fewer boats out there the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowsdawdle Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 We've been doing what we want forever and now because of some interfering foreigners the govt is going through the motions of making us obey the law until the fuss dies down. Well we can't wait and don't like being told what to do but we will, sort of, but it's going to cost the govt. So, will this Thainess concept extend to bank robbers, drug dealers, and other illegal opportunists so that they can get money for a career change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc46 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Disgusting;The Greed has taken over the fishing fleet,,they want the Government to bail them out to go legal,they have been doing things illegal they think it is the normal thing,When is this Government going to wake up and stand up against those Thugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowsdawdle Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 How much of this is smoke and mirrors allowing Thais to save face for TIP slavery by busting them for fishing technicalities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Bravo.! First illegal fishing for plenty of years and when it comes to follow the rules ask for help........Hope the soldier will be strict !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Sorry, but charge has come. Tough luck. Change or move on please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 ...after fishing illegally or with slaves for so long..... ..utter nonsense.... ...wonder why none of them were arrested...or their fishing boats seized..... ...oh yeah....'it never happened...they are the victims..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Get the Government to pay twice the value for the boats, then store them in a warehouse,that would seem to be them norm for Thailand. regards Worgeordie Though in this case I would be quite happy to see the goods being stored rot and decay. Didn't that happen with a certain grain crop once ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 This is like a house thief demanding police pay for their burglary tools when finally caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddinChonburi Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Whiny little boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taff33 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Who do they think they are,farmers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Good time to buy some boats and after cleaning do some touring with tourists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 "If this continues, it will mean a dead end for fishery professions," he said. "If you continue, it will mean a dead end for the fish stocks," I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagittarius6999 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 If the government do buy the boats, what will happen is they will be stored and the fisherman will then 6 months later, buy his boat back for a scrap price and refit it with new legal nets and and all the other electrical madatory gear and have money left in his pocket and away tio sea he goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Good time to buy some boats and after cleaning do some touring with tourists. Are you by any chance one of these illegal Chinese tour guides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 So, will this Thainess concept extend to bank robbers, drug dealers, and other illegal opportunists so that they can get money for a career change? Have the past 20 governments looked the other way as bank robbers and drug dealers invested their life savings into the tools of their trade? I'm all for the changes in the fishing practices. But I also have a little empathy for people who have everything they own wrapped up in a business that suddenly becomes the target of enforcement, even if it's been technically against the rules for years or decades. Just like I was pleased to see the beaches cleaned up, but still had empathy for the hawkers who had worked the beaches "illegally" for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 So, will this Thainess concept extend to bank robbers, drug dealers, and other illegal opportunists so that they can get money for a career change? Have the past 20 governments looked the other way as bank robbers and drug dealers invested their life savings into the tools of their trade? I'm all for the changes in the fishing practices. But I also have a little empathy for people who have everything they own wrapped up in a business that suddenly becomes the target of enforcement, even if it's been technically against the rules for years or decades. Just like I was pleased to see the beaches cleaned up, but still had empathy for the hawkers who had worked the beaches "illegally" for decades. I'm surprised the TV software allowed 'empathy', I thought it was on the list of words to be deleted before allowed online.Agree with you BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimbuman Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 "If this continues, it will mean a dead end for fishery professions," he said. "If you continue, it will mean a dead end for the fish stocks," I say. It is a miracle it is not like that already, pigs of the ocean. Just visit their villages and ports and see the filth, disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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