Natthawut says no to national reconciliation government

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Natthawut says no to national reconciliation government



BANGKOK: -- Red-shirt leader Natthawut Saikua has rejected the idea of a national reconciliation government claiming that it will pave the way for a non-elected outsider to be named the prime minister.

He pointed out that the idea, proposed by Dr Bovornsak Uwanno, chairman of the Constitution Drafting Committee, will require the next government to have the support of at least 360 votes in the parliament out of a total of 450.

In that case it means that the Pheu Thai and Democrat parties will join in the same coalition which is totally unlikely because of their contrasting political ideologies, said Natthawut.

Simply put, he noted that the two parties would never be able to agree on who should be the prime minister and this would pave the way for a non-elected outsider to be brought in to assume the chief executive’s post and hence the conflicts.

He said he would like the powers-that-be to understand that reconciliation could not be restored by sharing out political powers to the political parties. But it could be achieved by returning democracy to the people, he added.

“The question today is not who will be in the government? But who are the real owner of democracy – the people or just the elites,” said Natthawut.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/natthawut-says-no-to-national-reconciliation-government


-- Thai PBS 2015-08-14

[Somtamnication]

" But it could be achieved by returning democracy to the people, he added." These people have no idea what democracy really is.

[thesetat2013]

" But it could be achieved by returning democracy to the people, he added." These people have no idea what democracy really is.

He just doesn't like this idea because if the opposing party must also approve for a redshirt leader to run this country then it won't happen. It's time these people in these parties are blocked and banned from politics altogether. If they are not working together then they are not working in the best interest for the country. Even in the US the Senate approves of laws and schemes made by the opposition if it is fair to benefit the people. As like last time. Losing an opposition didn't stop anything because the reds had the majority in office.

[z42]

How is this guy not even in jail let alone able to be in the frame for running the country. He openly encouraged people to commit acts of arson and rebellion. With people like this even pulling any strings at any level the country is going to the dogs (even though it's probably already there now)

[tbthailand]

“The question today is not who will be in the government? But who are the real owner of democracy – the people or just the elites,” said Natthawut.

Well that is the REAL question... not "should we strip Thaksin's rank?", or "How many questions do we put on the referendum?"...

As of today and the current draft constitution, the answer is already clear - just the elites ...

[casualbiker]

" because of their contrasting political ideologies"

The Thai politicians HAVE POLITICAL ideologies?

That's a new one on me!

[ramrod711]

claiming that it will pave the way for a non-elected outsider to be named the prime minister.

Like someone from Dubai for instance?

[tomacht8]

With elite he can only mean himself and his cronies.
When they were in power, they had the opportunity for a change, but they thought only, - very elitist - to fill up their own private bank accounts.
An elitist traitor of the proletariat.

Edited August 14, 2015 by tomacht8

[NongKhaiKid]

" But it could be achieved by returning democracy to the people, he added." These people have no idea what democracy really is.

Thai democracy / politics can be so complicated its's actually simple, being in power means just that and absolutely.

Reconciliation means agreeing with and doing whatever you are told by those in power at the time.

Edited August 14, 2015 by NongKhaiKid

[LannaGuy]

With elite he can only mean himself and his cronies.

When they were in power, they had the opportunity for a change, but they thought only, - very elitist - to fill up their own private bank accounts.

An elitist traitor of the proletariat.

evidence? please provide links, articles and reports so we can all marvel at this corruption or are you making it all up?

the Dems were in power, along with your hero Suthep, what did THEY do? what reforms? what anti-corruption measures? what investigations did they announce which revealed all this 'fill up their own bank accounts' of the previous administration that you suggest? or are you making it all up?

[Orac]

" But it could be achieved by returning democracy to the people, he added." These people have no idea what democracy really is.

He just doesn't like this idea because if the opposing party must also approve for a redshirt leader to run this country then it won't happen. It's time these people in these parties are blocked and banned from politics altogether. If they are not working together then they are not working in the best interest for the country. Even in the US the Senate approves of laws and schemes made by the opposition if it is fair to benefit the people. As like last time. Losing an opposition didn't stop anything because the reds had the majority in office.

In the US the senate is wholly elected and therefore also supposedly represents the will of the electorate which will not be the case in Thailand.

[masquerade]

How long before all you juveniles cease your childish banter about the past, its got to the embarrassingly pathetic stage. You are all like 6 year old kids who don't want to give up their security blankets or their mothers breast. At least the locals have an excuse, it is ignorance through lack of proper education, what is yours? As the majority of the posts and posters come from Pattaya, one could and should give you a little rope because you live in a world of your own. Come on lift your bloody game or quietly disappear. Open for business, so give me your best tort, it's not my game, saying it as it is, is.

[oneday]

I couldn't agree more.

Every since the coup has taken place there has been a systematic routing of the Pheu Thai party members and all other associated parties so there would be no contest in the next election and this is just more of the same. Like them or not, Pheu Thai and it's offshoots represent a majority of the people in this country. Eviscerate them and you have effectively killed Democracy and handed the country to the elites.

[wwest5829]

" But it could be achieved by returning democracy to the people, he added." These people have no idea what democracy really is.

He just doesn't like this idea because if the opposing party must also approve for a redshirt leader to run this country then it won't happen. It's time these people in these parties are blocked and banned from politics altogether. If they are not working together then they are not working in the best interest for the country. Even in the US the Senate approves of laws and schemes made by the opposition if it is fair to benefit the people. As like last time. Losing an opposition didn't stop anything because the reds had the majority in office.

I fear using the USA as an example of political party compromise and working for the benefit of all, might not be timely. My thought

here is on government shutdowns (or threats to do the same), extreme alienation by some politicians. I do hope reason is eventually

restored to see the US poltical system working more inline with historic give and take.

[chainarong]

The comments of Khun Natthawut points to only one position, nothing under the Junta has changed , Thailand has not moved on , although in the last line he say's something that could be construed as correct , that the Elites are not the only ones with a monopoly on Democracy, so do the people , a nice thought pity very few in Thailand knows that real Democracy starts with freedom of speech , that includes the media and social media.

[halloween]

How long before all you juveniles cease your childish banter about the past, its got to the embarrassingly pathetic stage. You are all like 6 year old kids who don't want to give up their security blankets or their mothers breast. At least the locals have an excuse, it is ignorance through lack of proper education, what is yours? As the majority of the posts and posters come from Pattaya, one could and should give you a little rope because you live in a world of your own. Come on lift your bloody game or quietly disappear. Open for business, so give me your best tort, it's not my game, saying it as it is, is.

How does your superior education and intellect lead to a desire to stop others discussing the past? I'm assuming the past you are referring to is Natthuwat's actions in 2010, but I also take into account reports of his trucking company moving the G2G rice, together painting a picture of a venal and corrupt man. Am I wrong when I take those considerations into account when judging his veracity?

Edited August 14, 2015 by halloween

[scorecard]

How is this guy not even in jail let alone able to be in the frame for running the country. He openly encouraged people to commit acts of arson and rebellion. With people like this even pulling any strings at any level the country is going to the dogs (even though it's probably already there now)

"In that case it means that the Pheu Thai and Democrat parties will join in the same coalition which is totally unlikely because of their contrasting political ideologies, said Natthawut."

Question: UDD, Pt actually has a detailed political ideology which is totally and clearly focused on gaining a better quality of life for all Thais and equal justice for all Thais and focused rel development of infrastructure, education, reform of the police to stop political interference, etc etc.?

Funny how I've never seen any of this let alone the introduction of detailed debate on these points, or the installation of overriding policies and laws etc., to achieve it, not in the 12 years they had power. In fact they worked towards a dictatorship.

Man speaks with forked tongue.

[Fat Haggis]

How long before all you juveniles cease your childish banter about the past, its got to the embarrassingly pathetic stage. You are all like 6 year old kids who don't want to give up their security blankets or their mothers breast. At least the locals have an excuse, it is ignorance through lack of proper education, what is yours? As the majority of the posts and posters come from Pattaya, one could and should give you a little rope because you live in a world of your own. Come on lift your bloody game or quietly disappear. Open for business, so give me your best tort, it's not my game, saying it as it is, is.

How does your superior education and intellect lead to a desire to stop others discussing the past? I'm assuming the past you are referring to is Natthuwat's actions in 2010, but I also take into account reports of his trucking company moving the G2G rice, together painting a picture of a venal and corrupt man. Am I wrong when I take those considerations into account when judging his veracity?

just like others are not wrong in taking in their considerations about the current PM who also was part of the group who signed off on the golf ball detectors.

Same with an army region budget appearing in a senior ranking officers account "in error"

Or the army run golf courses on encroached land

Or the Bose microphone scam attempt at the beginning of their tenure.

Let's also not forget the Army involvement in human trafficking after they stated there was no ties at all!

Yes, veracity is a remarkable thing, your beloved Junta are far from whiter than white, the difference here is they're beyond accountability unlike all their subjects!!!

[halloween]

How long before all you juveniles cease your childish banter about the past, its got to the embarrassingly pathetic stage. You are all like 6 year old kids who don't want to give up their security blankets or their mothers breast. At least the locals have an excuse, it is ignorance through lack of proper education, what is yours? As the majority of the posts and posters come from Pattaya, one could and should give you a little rope because you live in a world of your own. Come on lift your bloody game or quietly disappear. Open for business, so give me your best tort, it's not my game, saying it as it is, is.

How does your superior education and intellect lead to a desire to stop others discussing the past? I'm assuming the past you are referring to is Natthuwat's actions in 2010, but I also take into account reports of his trucking company moving the G2G rice, together painting a picture of a venal and corrupt man. Am I wrong when I take those considerations into account when judging his veracity?

just like others are not wrong in taking in their considerations about the current PM who also was part of the group who signed off on the golf ball detectors.

Same with an army region budget appearing in a senior ranking officers account "in error"

Or the army run golf courses on encroached land

Or the Bose microphone scam attempt at the beginning of their tenure.

Let's also not forget the Army involvement in human trafficking after they stated there was no ties at all!

Yes, veracity is a remarkable thing, your beloved Junta are far from whiter than white, the difference here is they're beyond accountability unlike all their subjects!!!

Are you agreeing that there is no reason why the past should not be discussed, or simply trying to drag the thread off subject?

[halloween]

The concept of a super majority government rather than a simple 50%+1 is interesting, as both sides of politics would have to agree, giving more representation to the voters on the "losing" side. How is that not more democratic?

An independent PM would also have to be nominated, as neither major party would accept one from the other side, and he/she would have to lead by consensus. Rather a change from the autocratic Thaksin style, so hardly likely to be acceptable to his paid stooge.

Also, as policy has to be approved by both sides, populist vote-buying would become meaningless. That would never do.

Edited August 14, 2015 by halloween

[h90]

" But it could be achieved by returning democracy to the people, he added." These people have no idea what democracy really is.

Democracy is a tool to get power.....that is what they understood

[billd766]

I couldn't agree more.

Every since the coup has taken place there has been a systematic routing of the Pheu Thai party members and all other associated parties so there would be no contest in the next election and this is just more of the same. Like them or not, Pheu Thai and it's offshoots represent a majority of the people in this country. Eviscerate them and you have effectively killed Democracy and handed the country to the elites.

Pheu Tai have NEVER represented the majority of people in Thailand nor at any time in their history did Thaksin's parties, the TRT, PPP nor the PTP ever represet democracy.

[slapout]

This man does not deserve a interviw with the media except while looking through prison bars along with his family members and his cronies.

This willk happen eventoally , he knows it as do his associates. He is just trying to keep the public aware of his ability to use the legal system to postpone recieving his just rewards. The local bin collectors have more crediability than Natthawut and those who support him.

[Srikcir]

Political colors aside, the national reconcliation government is merely a rebranding of the NCPO who is trying to wrap itself in Democratic clothing.

This transformation is necessary to perpetuate the myth that Thailand is a unitary and democratic regime of government with a monarch as Head of State, and that sovereign power belongs to the Thai people. But the Junta cannot rewrite its history of coups.

The Thai people's sovereign power only exists to the extent that it benefits and protects the military. Otherwise, the Thai military owes its allegiance not to the Thai people but TO ITSELF.

[smedly]

who elected him ?

ask him where he gets his money from

[sawadee1947]

How is this guy not even in jail let alone able to be in the frame for running the country. He openly encouraged people to commit acts of arson and rebellion. With people like this even pulling any strings at any level the country is going to the dogs (even though it's probably already there now)

The same you can say about SUTHEP. Why he is not jailed?

Those questions would lead to nothing. It's only pointing to the others.

Give power to the people is easy to say but difficult to achieve here. Democracy means also here to understand the other party and work together for the benefit of this country. That does not mean to work forever but for the next 4 years term. I'm sure that corruption even will not be a big issue in that period. Also the army would have no reasons to interfere.

Of course I can see it's not easy for the participants to stay away from greediness and not being able to fill their pockets. But a coalition between the 2 big parties would be tempting for me.

[Emster23]

"will require the next government to have the support of at least 360 votes in the parliament out of a total of 450." That's 80%, far more than 2/3's many democracies require. What percentage of parliament will be filled by military etc? 33%? Means no one could become PM without their approval, be they red, yellow or paisley. Ya think they planned it this way?

[halloween]

"will require the next government to have the support of at least 360 votes in the parliament out of a total of 450." That's 80%, far more than 2/3's many democracies require. What percentage of parliament will be filled by military etc? 33%? Means no one could become PM without their approval, be they red, yellow or paisley. Ya think they planned it this way?

Assuming, and it's a huge assumption, that your 33% military is correct, if the reds elect 33% then no-one could be elected PM without THEIR approval. Which gives us a consensus leader rather than an autocrat ruling by bribery.

[mango66]

The REDs already showed their understanding from democracy -

Bombing and sniping on protesters !!

Better to have a Junta than a RED Monkey as PM !!

[mango66]

How is this guy not even in jail let alone able to be in the frame for running the country. He openly encouraged people to commit acts of arson and rebellion. With people like this even pulling any strings at any level the country is going to the dogs (even though it's probably already there now)

The same you can say about SUTHEP. Why he is not jailed?

Those questions would lead to nothing. It's only pointing to the others.

Give power to the people is easy to say but difficult to achieve here. Democracy means also here to understand the other party and work together for the benefit of this country. That does not mean to work forever but for the next 4 years term. I'm sure that corruption even will not be a big issue in that period. Also the army would have no reasons to interfere.

Of course I can see it's not easy for the participants to stay away from greediness and not being able to fill their pockets. But a coalition between the 2 big parties would be tempting for me.

He !

Take your RED sunglasses off !

Suthep protested and blocked some public areas !

Jatuporn and Nathawit bombed demonstrators, sniped to demonstarators

and burned down GVT halls and business centers !!

There is - sorry a " SMALL " difference !! within this guys !!