W10 not foolproof, New PC W8 unused , upload W7?

THAIPHUKET · August 23, 2015

If possible, avoid the nuisance of learning new OP systems. That me.

My new ASUS UX305 with W8 pre-installed has been bought a while ago. Untouched since then. There is one simple, human reason = My desire to learn W8 just to switch shorty thereafter to W10 is extremely limited.

Now reading about W10 bugs fortifies this aversion

What does it take to de-install W8 and install the familiar W7?

Advantage= all these crazy pre-installed Apps would disappear.?

Disadvantage= Probably must pay for W7

and later pay for W10 , assuming the MS W10 voucher becomes nil and void

CharlieH · August 23, 2015

I tried W-10, hated it, unstable, and too many issues for my liking, may try again later when reports are of it being more stable and less hassle are rolling in.

I liked Win 7 a lot but got used to Win 8 quickly and whilst I dont mind standing still for now at win 8.1, I think taking a step backwards to 7 only to have to move forward again later is not a good idea, if I were you I would just leave it as it is at Win 8 until 10 settles down.

ubonjoe · August 23, 2015

I have had Windows installed for 3 weeks now and have had no problems with it. Much better than 8.1.

Just did a restart this to install the 3rd update to it and had no problems.

nidieunimaitre · August 23, 2015

Does W10 have those same annoying side screens as W8 whenever your finger goes a little bit to the right?

Any way to delete that "option"?

chrisinth · August 23, 2015

IMO, the reason that the majority of users apparently seem to hate Windows 8.1 over Windows 7 is all about the user interface and nothing else.

8.1 is a really stable operating system, period!

And it really doesn't take skills for it to look like W7, no reason for the Metro (tabs) screen to ever be looked at if you don't want, boot straight to desktop. There is a multitude of choices of 3rd party software out there to give you back the W7 start menu if that is what you need (also for W10).

If you take a little bit of time to look into it, this will save you the trouble of formatting to get rid of 8.1 and reinstalling 7 for, again IMO, no gain from the earlier OS.

Wow, don't believe I've just stuck up for a windows OS..................

ubonjoe · August 23, 2015

Does W10 have those same annoying side screens as W8 whenever your finger goes a little bit to the right?

Any way to delete that "option"?

I am using it on a desk top and there is nothing that comes when you move to the left or right sides anymore. Everything is on the desk top.

When you click on the widows logo on the task bar it gives you a start menu now instead of the apps..

NeverSure · August 23, 2015

1. Some time back I had the same issue with a new Toshiba laptop and ~~uninstalled 8~~ wiped my HDD and installed 7. That was without checking to see that all of my hardware manufactures made drivers for 7 which they didn't and I was screwed. I still can't believe I was that stupid. Look before you leap as they say. I reinstalled 8 and now have updated to 10 and I love it.

2. If you upgrade to Win 10 the classic start menu comes back, much more like Win 7.

3. I'm surprised that no one has suggest the free proggy that "makes windows 8 look like windows 7". It's called Classic Shell and you can get it HERE.

Edited August 23, 2015 by NeverSure

Chicog · August 23, 2015

I tried W-10, hated it, unstable, and too many issues for my liking, may try again later when reports are of it being more stable and less hassle are rolling in.

That puts you in the minority.

I've had it on four PCs from the get go and no problems at all apart from hardware detection on one with an old fingerprint reader, which was fixed by upgrading.

Everyone I know is happy with it.

So tell me about the instability - blue screen? And what were the issues?

lostinisaan · August 24, 2015

I've finally started to like W 10, because it's much faster than 7. Got W 10 running on three machines now, all systems backed up.

Should something happen, it takes me only 30 minutes to get back to W. 7.

P.S. I had some issues with some programs that didn't run on 10, but find a way around. Had three bigger upgrades and seems to be stable. Strart up and shut down are also faster than W 7.

One way the other, you'll have to get used to it. You can easily upgrade your system to W 10, then set it up the way you want it. It comes with so many nice features, I'm okay with it.

Edited August 24, 2015 by lostinisaan

paulchiangmai · August 24, 2015

I've finally started to like W 10, because it's much faster than 7. Got W 10 running on three machines now, all systems backed up.

Should something happen, it takes me only 30 minutes to get back to W. 7.

P.S. I had some issues with some programs that didn't run on 10, but find a way around. Had three bigger upgrades and seems to be stable. Strart up and shut down are also faster than W 7.

One way the other, you'll have to get used to it. You can easily upgrade your system to W 10, then set it up the way you want it. It comes with so many nice features, I'm okay with it.

Can any one tell this computer illiterate dummy why my windows 10 takes almost 10 minutes to start up in the morning and even after being put to sleep for an hour or two still frequently takes five minutes to wake up? It appears skype is my biggest programme as I don't think I have any apps. Old windows 8.1 opened in no time. Any replies please remember you are not talking to an expert.

WhizBang · August 24, 2015

Install Classic Shell (free) on Win 7, 8 or 10 and get back the look and feel of windows xp start menus.

Install Yamiccsoft Windows (7/8/10) Manager and tweak your windows installation into something that behaves and works the way you want it to. Not free, but freely available.

Personally I would avoid Windows 10 for now, it has MAJOR privacy, and security, issues.

I have installed windows 10 to try it out on my Surface Pro 3. I think I have tamed most of the privacy issues, but one can never be sure. Once again. MS has changed things, just to change them. At this point I have not decided if I will keep it, or revert back to Windows 8.1 (I made a disk image before doing a fresh install of 10).

One thing is for sure, my desktop and laptop computers will never see windows 10. Both are running very happily on windows 7 pro.

WhizBang · August 24, 2015

Can any one tell this computer illiterate dummy why my windows 10 takes almost 10 minutes to start up in the morning and even after being put to sleep for an hour or two still frequently takes five minutes to wake up? It appears skype is my biggest programme as I don't think I have any apps. Old windows 8.1 opened in no time. Any replies please remember you are not talking to an expert.

We would need more details on your system (make model, desktop/laptop, processor, ram, hd/ssd size, free space on hd/ssd) and also what is running on startup.

No OS should take that long to start or wakeup. Have you tried doing a virus/malware scan?

paulchiangmai · August 24, 2015

Can any one tell this computer illiterate dummy why my windows 10 takes almost 10 minutes to start up in the morning and even after being put to sleep for an hour or two still frequently takes five minutes to wake up? It appears skype is my biggest programme as I don't think I have any apps. Old windows 8.1 opened in no time. Any replies please remember you are not talking to an expert.

We would need more details on your system (make model, desktop/laptop, processor, ram, hd/ssd size, free space on hd/ssd) and also what is running on startup.

No OS should take that long to start or wakeup. Have you tried doing a virus/malware scan?

Thanks for this W/bang, desktop, put together by a company here in Chiang Mai, always fast with previous windows, 4gb ram, 2.8 AMD processor, 500 ? hard disc, lots of free space on everything, not sure how to find out what is running on startup, scan runs on startup .

Chicog · August 24, 2015

Can any one tell this computer illiterate dummy why my windows 10 takes almost 10 minutes to start up in the morning and even after being put to sleep for an hour or two still frequently takes five minutes to wake up? It appears skype is my biggest programme as I don't think I have any apps. Old windows 8.1 opened in no time. Any replies please remember you are not talking to an expert.

We would need more details on your system (make model, desktop/laptop, processor, ram, hd/ssd size, free space on hd/ssd) and also what is running on startup.

No OS should take that long to start or wakeup. Have you tried doing a virus/malware scan?

Install 360 Total Security - one of the options is to tell you what programs are loading at startup and what you can optimise.

It's also a good Antivirus with Bitdefender and Avira engines.

RichCor · August 24, 2015

Can any one tell this computer illiterate dummy why my windows 10 takes almost 10 minutes to start up in the morning and even after being put to sleep for an hour or two still frequently takes five minutes to wake up? It appears skype is my biggest programme as I don't think I have any apps. Old windows 8.1 opened in no time. Any replies please remember you are not talking to an expert.

We would need more details on your system (make model, desktop/laptop, processor, ram, hd/ssd size, free space on hd/ssd) and also what is running on startup.

No OS should take that long to start or wakeup. Have you tried doing a virus/malware scan?

Thanks for this W/bang, desktop, put together by a company here in Chiang Mai, always fast with previous windows, 4gb ram, 2.8 AMD processor, 500 ? hard disc, lots of free space on everything, not sure how to find out what is running on startup, scan runs on startup .

I would say it's a driver issue; If it was fast before (on the previous OS) and excruciatingly slow now on Windows 10.

Have someone to walk you through the process of looking at Windows "Device Manager" and see if it's indicating issues.

I would also suggest you have someone visit the PCs official Website and look for any notices concerning Windows 10 -and- download any Windows 10 (or Windows 8.1) drivers and utility programs, specifically drivers for Chipsets (Intel/AMD), USB, or SATA Devices. Install them.

If Microsoft doesn't like pieces/portions them Windows Update will automatically replace them.

If this doesn't resolve your issues, then think about reinstalling Windows 10 from scratch.

Sometimes something can hang around from an upgrade that creates issues. I fresh install gives you the cleanest option (but does mean backing up all your data, settings and preferences, and REINSTALLING all of your applications.

DGS1244 · August 24, 2015

I have windows 8 and no problems once I got use to it, great. What I would like to know is how much will Windows 10 cost per year once they stop the freebies going out, no one seems to be able to tell me including Microsoft.

RedQualia · August 24, 2015

I have a mess of operating systems installed on my desktop machine, including DOS 6, Win XP, Win 7 (32 and 64 bit), and now Win 10 (32 and 64 bit. Also Unbuntu and additional Windows 7 versions inside virtual PCs. Win 10 seems OK, but apparently has lots of privacy related issues, which bothers me a bit. For the time being, my default boot OS is W7 64 bit, though I can boot any/all of the operating systems mentioned.

And so can you, I imagine. At least I cannot think of a reason why you couldn't have 2-3 different operating systems on your computer, even if a notebook, and including at least Windows 8 and 10. You'll need a different partition for each OS, and you'll have to do a "custom install" (not default install) to tell each version of Windows what partition to install on. But when you do add a second OS to your machine, Windows will install a nice enough little boot management program allowing you to select which operating system you want to boot.

Never tried Windows 8. Windows 7 is OK, I guess, but personally, I still miss Windows XP. Microsoft didn't ask me if I wanted to keep it, however. Oh well. "Progress," and all that... When Windows 10 is stable enough, and/or when I figure out how to address all the privacy/advertising concerns, I assume I'll switch to that as the default boot OS. Just a matter of time. But no hurry...

arjunadawn · August 24, 2015

Win10 leaks data in numerous areas. Win10 continues to be buggy with software, drivers and certificates; there are numerous complaints of data lost, licenses not loaded, and incompatibility. Win10 was designed to deliver Win7, but with the opportunity for significant income from win8+/ Win8+ failed. Win8's only virtues were that is was Win7 underneath, with intro to apps, etc, overlaid. Fact is, most people hated it and the market proved it. People wanted Win7, or apple of other for their app needs. This was MS's problem, they wanted into this seamless market of closed or semi closed store purchases to seamlessly run and sync apps across platforms. The share of the apple market was to alluring considering MS had all the infrastructure. The problem was, people did not like the last OS. They solved this by bringing back Win7 ease of access and improving the app train that has apps bought, used, and synced. Some people like this. I am among those who do not feel I need it simply because MS says I do.

Nothing is free. It takes only a cursory glance at any successful business venture to know motivation. How can win10 be free? Because profit is collected on the backend. Enter the security debacle. Win10 is a nightmare. From the difficulty setting up a local user account to the requirement that Cortona features be tied to an online account that follows you seamlessly through the internet, your clicks, visits, amount of time spent, items purchased, porn downloaded, etc, etc, etc. But Cortona is only one of the many, many security threats in Win10. Some might add that these can be disabled. They can, I have. But what remains then is Win7.

I have been running Win10 as a study project on a virtualbox for sometime. I think it sucks and does not have one feature that makes me want to leave win7.

RichCor · August 24, 2015

I have windows 8 and no problems once I got use to it, great. What I would like to know is how much will Windows 10 cost per year once they stop the freebies going out, no one seems to be able to tell me including Microsoft.

Microsoft has stated...

If upgraded within the first 12 months following launch, the device

will receive ongoing Windows 10 updates for free for the life of that device

While this shouldn't be an interesting question, given that Bill Gates' Microsoft has always relied on legal agreements to get their way, there is this article:

On the road to Windows 10: How long will free upgrades last?

Microsoft presentation estimates device lifespan at two to four years. Is that also how long that free Windows 10 upgrade will last?

InfoWorld | By Woody Leonhard | Jul 9, 2015

...but the general small-print statement on many of the Microsoft Windows 10 website footer pages only state:

1 Windows Offer Details

Yes, free! This upgrade offer is for a full version of Windows 10, not a trial. 3GB download required; internet access fees may apply. Estimated retail price for Windows 10 Home shown; actual prices may vary. To take advantage of this free offer, you must upgrade to Windows 10 within one year of availability. Once you upgrade, you have Windows 10 for free on that device.

Windows 10 Upgrade Offer is valid for qualified and genuine Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 devices, including devices you already own. Some hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary by device and market. The availability of Windows 10 upgrade for Windows Phone 8.1 devices may vary by OEM, mobile operator or carrier. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows Update enabled. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 Update required. Some editions are excluded: Windows 7 Enterprise, Windows 8/8.1 Enterprise, and Windows RT/RT 8.1. Active Software Assurance customers in volume licensing have the benefit to upgrade to Windows 10 enterprise offerings outside of this offer. To check for compatibility and other important installation information, visit your device manufacturer’s website and the Windows 10 Specifications page. Windows 10 is automatically updated. Additional requirements will apply over time for updates. See the Windows 10 Upgrade page for details.

MockingJay · August 24, 2015

Get a life and a Mac for Pete's sake!!!! It is totally beyond me how anyone still can work with that Windows crap. Are you people living in 2015 or the 80s? Why not go ahead and buy a Sinclair ZX81????

Shiver · August 24, 2015

Although I was a computer engineer for a couple of decades, when it comes to installing an operating system I just give it to the local computer shop and it gets delivered back to me usually next day for 300 baht. It's just not worth your time to watch a progress bar.

nitpicker · August 24, 2015

Does W10 have those same annoying side screens as W8 whenever your finger goes a little bit to the right?

Any way to delete that "option"?

W10 does not have those very annoying side screens that I experienced on my laptop. I think W10 is much better than W8 but I never had W7 to compare it with.

nitpicker · August 24, 2015

Does W10 have those same annoying side screens as W8 whenever your finger goes a little bit to the right?

Any way to delete that "option"?

W10 does not have those very annoying side screens that I experienced on my laptop. I think W10 is much better than W8 but I never had W7 to compare it with. Sorry about the double posting. My mouse has decided it doesn't like a single click.

Edited August 24, 2015 by nitpicker

Pib · August 24, 2015

I've had Win 10 installed on my Lenovo laptop since 29 July/day one of Win 10 release. It installed/upgraded fine, had a few minor issues I resolved, and have received various Win 10 updates since with no problem. However, today I had my first Win 10 update that did not agree with my laptop...it was an updated driver for my mouse pointing pad and would have probably been an "Optional" driver to install under previous Windows versions but with Win 10 you don't have that option.

The updated driver didn't fully work with my machine....I rolled back to the previous driver which I had installed from the Lenovo support website for my model when initially upgrading to Win 10....mouse pad is working fine again.

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