bamukloy Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Good news but sorry, not for one second do i believe the ruling came from any consideration of fairness or justice. what saved them. 1. half of the team accused was Thai. 2. the worry of what they would look like in the media if sentancing an old farang to prison. If the guy was years younger, and no Thais were involved they would have thrown the book at him. If you doubt it,lets just wait see what happens to Andy Hall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesimps Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Good, I hope there are no appeals against the ruling. Great news! While this looks surprisingly like justice, the fact that the charges were laid in the first place proves this government is as bad as all others before it. The charges were laid during the previous government... But the navy are part of this govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Hey people, maybe some of you are missing the point regarding the charges. Yes, charges were laid during previous government. But current government did not drop the suit, so continuing with this farce gives them ownership, responsibility, etc. They had no problem dropping other actions of previous government, such as holding elections. This could have been easily done & part of happiness campaign. Don't let the guard down just because won at this level. Unlike the west, navy can appeal the loss (probably on any grounds they wish, such as "we didn't win!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taony Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Finally!! Some sanity in the news section! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Great news! While this looks surprisingly like justice, the fact that the charges were laid in the first place proves this government is as bad as all others before it. It might be so IF it was the government that made the complaint in the first place but they didn't. The Thai Navy did and whilst it is a part of the bureaucracy it is NOT the government, merely one department among many. Don't let that stop your rant against the government though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Good, I hope there are no appeals against the ruling. Great news! While this looks surprisingly like justice, the fact that the charges were laid in the first place proves this government is as bad as all others before it. The charges were laid during the previous government... the SAME Navy that supported and supports the unelected Junta who could have stopped it. Stop making cheap political points this is GREAT NEWS So it is OK for YOU to make cheap political points but not for anybody else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Great news! While this looks surprisingly like justice, the fact that the charges were laid in the first place proves this government is as bad as all others before it. It might be so IF it was the government that made the complaint in the first place but they didn't. The Thai Navy did and whilst it is a part of the bureaucracy it is NOT the government, merely one department among many. Don't let that stop your rant against the government though. Unbelievable : 'whilst it is part of the bureaucracy' I advise you to retake your primary education but it's probably too late for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Having this verdict is great news for the journalists involved and hopefully for journalism in general in Thailand... But before anyone starts celebrating too much, just remember that this pair were put thru what I'm sure were a couple of years of hell, fearing a potential criminal conviction and prison sentences, merely because one of their articles had the temerity to reprint a one paragraph version of a Reuters news agency report on Thai human trafficking. Even if the Thai Navy/government doesn't pursue the case further via an appeal, these kinds of cases absolutely have a chilling impact on anyone else trying to practice serious journalism in Thailand. The only real solution is for some Thai government, somewhere, somehow, to repeal the current criminal defamation statutes that aim to criminalize journalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Loss of face for the navy today. Likely the navy will appeal the result and then if they lose the second court, they'll appeal to the supreme court. Unfortunately, I have to agree... Too many cases where they just appeal with out any valid reasons. The only winners are the Lawyers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Hey people, maybe some of you are missing the point regarding the charges. Yes, charges were laid during previous government. But current government did not drop the suit, so continuing with this farce gives them ownership, responsibility, etc. They had no problem dropping other actions of previous government, such as holding elections. This could have been easily done & part of happiness campaign. Don't let the guard down just because won at this level. Unlike the west, navy can appeal the loss (probably on any grounds they wish, such as "we didn't win!). What you are advocating is for the Executive branch of government meddle in the workings of the Judicial branch. That would be bad enough in the context of an elected government, asking for it with a military one is, well, let's say just say misguided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandforumaddict Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I wish to have the same balls when I will be 67 ! Congratulations ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperx Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Time for these two to sue the person who brought the case for malicious prosecution and give them a dose of their own medicine. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammygood Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 talk about the truth = go to jail say nothing, do nothing = get rewarded 3 million baht ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacemand Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 WOW did not see that coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 While this is great news, the fact remains these ridiculous laws are still on the books. They remain there for only one reason, to silence criticism and dissension. Libel is the spreading of false and damaging information. Except here where the information can be 100% truthful and you're still judged a criminal for daring to tell people. Computer crimes are cases of fraud and larceny committed online. Except here where you might be guilty of just telling the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyphodb Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Great... A very rare piece of good news from the Thai courts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsetBkk Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Excellent result. Congratulations to Alan and Chutima. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJohnson Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 A rare win for justice in Thailand. The powers-that-be may still get their revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Good news but sorry, not for one second do i believe the ruling came from any consideration of fairness or justice. what saved them. 1. half of the team accused was Thai. 2. the worry of what they would look like in the media if sentancing an old farang to prison. If the guy was years younger, and no Thais were involved they would have thrown the book at him. If you doubt it,lets just wait see what happens to Andy Hall Stupid post........! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketsub Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Great news! While this looks surprisingly like justice, the fact that the charges were laid in the first place proves this government is as bad as all others before it. But the charges were laid before this government took power.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrock Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Great news! While this looks surprisingly like justice, the fact that the charges were laid in the first place proves this government is as bad as all others before it. But the charges were laid before this government took power.... Yes, yes, that has been appointed out a number of times already, and i have already eaten my hat. I was going by the date in the article, which was out by a year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aripengu Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Good news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langsuan Man Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 But the charges were laid before this government took power.... Yes, but this government could always have withdrawn the complaint / charge I am still trying to figure out the legitimacy of a local military commander laying charges in a civilian court in the first place. Where is it written that a local Admiral has the right to sue in the name of the Royal Thai Navy !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kartman Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 A rare win for justice in Thailand. The powers-that-be may still get their revenge. The pair had better keep a look out for periscopes if they go boating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 No love lost twixt Junta and Navy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumgranosalum Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 A rare win for justice in Thailand. The powers-that-be may still get their revenge. The pair had better keep a look out for periscopes if they go boating. Unlikely as the Navy doesn't have any submarines...the last time they had one they attempted a coup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Great... A very rare piece of good news from the Thai courts... Indeed but I'd suggest they keep looking over their shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducking and Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I disagree very much with most of the comments in this story. The case shows only 1. the stupidity of the Thai Navy and the prosecutor (was this the police's prosecution service?) 2. the inordinate deference of the court officials to the wishes of the Thai Navy and 3. the incapacity of the staff within the court office to do what was screamingly obvious the right thing to do, namely not allow this case to be commenced and 4. the independence and good sense of the Judges (at least, those in this case. This is a case which should never have gone to court. I think that it shows the woeful inability of so many Thais to think (poor education?) but that there are most decidedly some who can, just as well as the nationals of any other country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsetBkk Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yes, but this government could always have withdrawn the complaint / charge I am still trying to figure out the legitimacy of a local military commander laying charges in a civilian court in the first place. Where is it written that a local Admiral has the right to sue in the name of the Royal Thai Navy !!!!! Captain, actually - about three ranks lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taony Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I'm not inclined to think that the outcome was the correct decision of the judiciary unfortunately. With all the other bad press out there about Thailand at the moment, including police rewarding themselves for not catching who they were supposed to catch, one can't help but think this decision was made not to add one more log into the fire. But at the end of the day.... at least justice was done for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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