Briggsy Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 "He was unhappy with his performance evaluation results." Now he will spend his life in jail,very clever I wouldn't be so sure about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) I fail to see what the difference is between this man who killed his boss and any worker in the US who kills his boss, typically along with many co-workers - some of the comments about Thai's and Thailand here are seriously misguided and represent nothing more than an opportunity to bash. Agree fully...had been holding back on the keyboard. Its not just USA but don't they have few recent examples of police being charged with murder. In some cases with very long careers. Good thing they check for weapons in schools. If they didn't I wouldn't hand out anything under B+ I believe that there is a difference with this particular event, see, this disgruntled employee was a police officer. He killed his boss in front of his colleagues, all of whom (I am making an assumption here) should have had weapon's training and training on how to handle dangerous situations (I know it maybe non-existent that's why I used "should"). The other assumption is that all those colleagues were armed (a much more credible assumption seeing as how Thai police officers are inseparable from their weapons), Now, the difference to "killing a boss and any worker in the US" is that this killing took place entirely with trained and armed police personnel present. Who did not respond. Who were Thai. All assumptions, of course, except for the "Thai" part. sorry to edit: I am not bashing Thais or Thailand, I am bashing Thai Police. Edited September 5, 2015 by klauskunkel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just1Voice Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Report: "Does not work well with others. Has anger management problems." Duhhhh, ya think?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I fail to see what the difference is between this man who killed his boss and any worker in the US who kills his boss, typically along with many co-workers - some of the comments about Thai's and Thailand here are seriously misguided and represent nothing more than an opportunity to bash. Agree fully...had been holding back on the keyboard. Its not just USA but don't they have few recent examples of police being charged with murder. In some cases with very long careers. Good thing they check for weapons in schools. If they didn't I wouldn't hand out anything under B+ I believe that there is a difference with this particular event, see, this disgruntled employee was a police officer. He killed his boss in front of his colleagues, all of whom (I am making an assumption here) should have had weapon's training and training on how to handle dangerous situations (I know it maybe non-existent that's why I used "should"). The other assumption is that all those colleagues were armed (a much more credible assumption seeing as how Thai police officers are inseparable from their weapons), Now, the difference to "killing a boss and any worker in the US" is that this killing took place entirely with trained and armed police personnel present. Who did not respond. Who were Thai. All assumptions, of course, except for the "Thai" part.sorry to edit: I am not bashing Thais or Thailand, I am bashing Thai Police. I was referring to the VERY experienced USA officer that shot a black American as he ran from his vehicle. There has been another since. I THINK both have been charged Charged with murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I fail to see what the difference is between this man who killed his boss and any worker in the US who kills his boss, typically along with many co-workers - some of the comments about Thai's and Thailand here are seriously misguided and represent nothing more than an opportunity to bash. Agree fully...had been holding back on the keyboard. Its not just USA but don't they have few recent examples of police being charged with murder. In some cases with very long careers. Good thing they check for weapons in schools. If they didn't I wouldn't hand out anything under B+ I believe that there is a difference with this particular event, see, this disgruntled employee was a police officer. He killed his boss in front of his colleagues, all of whom (I am making an assumption here) should have had weapon's training and training on how to handle dangerous situations (I know it maybe non-existent that's why I used "should"). The other assumption is that all those colleagues were armed (a much more credible assumption seeing as how Thai police officers are inseparable from their weapons), Now, the difference to "killing a boss and any worker in the US" is that this killing took place entirely with trained and armed police personnel present. Who did not respond. Who were Thai. All assumptions, of course, except for the "Thai" part. sorry to edit: I am not bashing Thais or Thailand, I am bashing Thai Police. A fair comparison. I think perhaps the element that's missing here is that of cultural differences, if that's the right term. In a western country for example, a disgruntled employee might shoot his boss and then follow through by killing others and then him self, if the authorities don't eventually kill him, that at least seems to me to be the way it goes down from what I've read of such things. But here we have a one on one disagreement which doesn't spill over to involve additional killings and the shooter didn't try to kill himself, all things being equal he will almost certainly turn himself in to face the music as others before him have done.. So what's that all about, did the fellow officers understand this was a one on one and simply stand back saying, it doesn't involve me and the outcome here is already understood by everyone, it seems so. That being the case why aggravate matters, taking any action wont bring back the dead officer so let things take their natural course since everyone knows their respective role and obligation. Sound weird, sure as heck it does but there's much about Thai/Asian culture that westerners don't understand. And to be clear, I don't pretend to understand it all, I'm simply putting up a straw man because I don't think the easy answer of saying the other police were scared or poorly trained is anything like the right answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Humm, makes me wonder of supervisors will be more "generous" in their evaluations in the future. Yes, I imagine any other cops who have an evaluation coming up, upon hearing of the shooting, will think - "Sweet" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 He was probably evaluated for negligently failing his annual marksmanship test. I would say that his marksmanship was quite good. So would I................There was nothing wrong with his marksmanship, it was his anger management that let him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 This story has a real relevance to falang living here. You may have been 'lucky' and never had trouble here so far, but people are at risk. One scam the police run to improve their performance is to use an 'informer' to to generate arrests. The informer is usually a petty criminal known to the police and previously arrested. They give this person some drugs to plant at a victims house. The informer goes to a house on some false premise, like selling soap or food and while there hides the drugs somewhere. They tell the police which house to go to and where the drugs are. The police come and tell you a person came to your house and saw you hiding drugs and reported it to them. They go to the hidden drugs, and presto, you get busted, they get an arrest added to their 'performance' record, and best of all, they get their drugs back to use for the next victim. This is a real scam that anyone can fall victim to and shows one of the dark aspects of the deep levels of corruption here. Walls, gates and security cameras are your best defence against it. This story does not have any relevance to what you are talking about. But your account of this scam and how we can be seen as potentially lucrative marks, is a worthwhile reminder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobb Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 This is a person suppose to protect all people in Thailand. You can read about bad police every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 You can see why the ordinary Thai acts in the way they do. You lead by example and this is not the example they should be leading with. Do I see him being moved to an inactive position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 This story has a real relevance to falang living here. You may have been 'lucky' and never had trouble here so far, but people are at risk. One scam the police run to improve their performance is to use an 'informer' to to generate arrests. The informer is usually a petty criminal known to the police and previously arrested. They give this person some drugs to plant at a victims house. The informer goes to a house on some false premise, like selling soap or food and while there hides the drugs somewhere. They tell the police which house to go to and where the drugs are. The police come and tell you a person came to your house and saw you hiding drugs and reported it to them. They go to the hidden drugs, and presto, you get busted, they get an arrest added to their 'performance' record, and best of all, they get their drugs back to use for the next victim. This is a real scam that anyone can fall victim to and shows one of the dark aspects of the deep levels of corruption here. Walls, gates and security cameras are your best defence against it. Don't do things by half measures, why not tell everyone about all the thousands of other ways the police scam and set up westerners, that way you'll achieve a far higher paranoia rating! What a crock!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Right. Avoiding conflict is not a lovely cultural aspect. It is a survival mechanism. Blowing your car horn at another car/driver could get you shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laobali Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 why does the story say allegedly? he was shot in front of many police witnesses Because a Thai wouldn't do such a thing. He must have been possessed by evil spirits. Because a Thai wouldn't do such a thing. He must have been possessed by evil foreign spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 "AM - Idiot. PM - Gibbering Idiot. His men would follow him anywhere, but just out of morbid curiosity". Some evaluations do not need many words, but can sometimes lead to direct action afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookee68 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Well there are the results of a low evaluation test, proven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 How many innocent bystanders are injured or even killed as well??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Guess he wont get that promotion now . don't be too sure. There is suddenly a new vacancy now, so it depends on his connections whether he gets a promotion for initiative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puwa Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Well, maybe he'll do better next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puwa Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Where is the value of a life in Thailand? Such a stupid thing to kill someone for and these are the people who are paid to protect others. When will the Gov realize they need to find people who want to be in the police who really care and want to help others and value truth and justice and life and order.Last year there was a wedding party in the village that we used to live in in thre countryside of Ubon. A 14 year old kid from another village came to the party with a couple of friends. He didn't like the face of a local 12 year old kid so he shot him in the head in front of everyone there.(In this context "face" as in the Thai version of face.) I still cannot believe it and I only saw the kid a couple of times previously. Everyone else in the village soon moved on and it was never mentioned again. Life doesn't have the same value or meaning in Thailand as we give it, or certainly not as much as I value it. That is hardcore Isaan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 And then people wonder why there's a "pass all" in place in the Thai education system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomacht8 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) Where is the value of a life in Thailand? Such a stupid thing to kill someone for and these are the people who are paid to protect others. When will the Gov realize they need to find people who want to be in the police who really care and want to help others and value truth and justice and life and order.Last year there was a wedding party in the village that we used to live in in thre countryside of Ubon. A 14 year old kid from another village came to the party with a couple of friends. He didn't like the face of a local 12 year old kid so he shot him in the head in front of everyone there.(In this context "face" as in the Thai version of face.) I still cannot believe it and I only saw the kid a couple of times previously. Everyone else in the village soon moved on and it was never mentioned again. Life doesn't have the same value or meaning in Thailand as we give it, or certainly not as much as I value it. That is hardcore Isaan. It run here some mentally disabled persons around freely. It is not excluded that some end up in the police service. R.I.P. Edited September 5, 2015 by tomacht8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farangmick Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 The deceased is a Lt-Colonel. That is not an inconsequential person in the Thai scheme of things. Probably more Lt. Col's in RTP than sergeants the way they promote each other. For a consideration of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farangmick Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I fail to see what the difference is between this man who killed his boss and any worker in the US who kills his boss, typically along with many co-workers - some of the comments about Thai's and Thailand here are seriously misguided and represent nothing more than an opportunity to bash. When it involves the BiB, any opportunity is a good opportunity. But in their favour, they have much nicer uniforms than I did in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farangmick Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I fail to see what the difference is between this man who killed his boss and any worker in the US who kills his boss, typically along with many co-workers - some of the comments about Thai's and Thailand here are seriously misguided and represent nothing more than an opportunity to bash. When it involves the BiB, any opportunity is a good opportunity. But in their favour, they have much nicer uniforms than I did in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farangmick Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 This story has a real relevance to falang living here. You may have been 'lucky' and never had trouble here so far, but people are at risk. One scam the police run to improve their performance is to use an 'informer' to to generate arrests. The informer is usually a petty criminal known to the police and previously arrested. They give this person some drugs to plant at a victims house. The informer goes to a house on some false premise, like selling soap or food and while there hides the drugs somewhere. They tell the police which house to go to and where the drugs are. The police come and tell you a person came to your house and saw you hiding drugs and reported it to them. They go to the hidden drugs, and presto, you get busted, they get an arrest added to their 'performance' record, and best of all, they get their drugs back to use for the next victim. This is a real scam that anyone can fall victim to and shows one of the dark aspects of the deep levels of corruption here. Walls, gates and security cameras are your best defence against it. When you get so paranoid your best defence is probably to leave Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiKT Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 He was probably evaluated for negligently failing his annual marksmanship test.I would say that his marksmanship was quite good.Exactly; and he wanted to proove it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farangmick Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 If I'd taken out every supervisor who gave me a poor appraisal I would be serial killer by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiKT Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I fail to see what the difference is between this man who killed his boss and any worker in the US who kills his boss, typically along with many co-workers - some of the comments about Thai's and Thailand here are seriously misguided and represent nothing more than an opportunity to bash. Agree fully...had been holding back on the keyboard. Its not just USA but don't they have few recent examples of police being charged with murder. In some cases with very long careers. Good thing they check for weapons in schools. If they didn't I wouldn't hand out anything under B+ I believe that there is a difference with this particular event, see, this disgruntled employee was a police officer. He killed his boss in front of his colleagues, all of whom (I am making an assumption here) should have had weapon's training and training on how to handle dangerous situations (I know it maybe non-existent that's why I used "should"). The other assumption is that all those colleagues were armed (a much more credible assumption seeing as how Thai police officers are inseparable from their weapons), Now, the difference to "killing a boss and any worker in the US" is that this killing took place entirely with trained and armed police personnel present. Who did not respond. Who were Thai. All assumptions, of course, except for the "Thai" part.sorry to edit: I am not bashing Thais or Thailand, I am bashing Thai Police. Assuming your right and they were all armed and trained. Have you considered either a) They drew straws for who rid them of an unpopular boss, or and my monies on they were all waiting to observe some bizarre revelation that would give them the lucky number in the lottery. Possibly related to the number of shots fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiKT Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 If I'd taken out every supervisor who gave me a poor appraisal I would be serial killer by now. Have you consider getting extra training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) I do not get the Thai bashing on this murder. Correct where I'm mistaken. USA is the mass murder western country at present. Due to you could buy mk16 from Walmart. Mind you my country , AU , holds world record for mass killing. Port Arthur. There are USA cops currently on murder charges for killing folk. There are daily killings of disgruntled employees. What's the problem with TV they load up on Thailand about this. One early post ....sounding like the usual swat expert ...suggests the other police should have been able to do something. Perhaps if he or any of us were in room with bang bang......check your knickers. Perhaps brownish Edited September 5, 2015 by jacksam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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