Thailand ranks among countries with highest road deaths

[kannot]

I guess it will remain a mystery as to why Thailand has this poor ranking.

Yeah, cos when you chose to live here, you thought it was Switzerland right ?

ahem , it says so so it must be true

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[joloit]

We all know the problems here, guys!! I can imagine many Thai officials are reading our comments in this forum. Let's just come up with some good advices in how to deal with these problems.

[Pete Beale]

UK's rank is not surprising to me:....They are driving on the wrong side of the street

Clearly you do not know the reason behind driving on the left. it is historical and dates back to knights in armour riding horseback. Oops, some countries don't have that much history.

My country has a history of killing the Brits butt not only once but twice.

More of your guys got killed both times.

[cumgranosalum]

Don't bring that fact into it Johnny, it waters down the Thai Bashing frenzy that accompanies these threads, and they seem to appear quite often, ( wonder why ? ).

Quite pathetic....

So all those tragic motorcycle accidents, often involving young children, are meaningless in your book !

Pray enlighten us as to what percentage of motorcycle fatalities involve another vehicle?

Let me put it in plain text, just for you, countries like the UK have nowhere near the percentage of Motorcycles as, say Thailand for instance, are you still with me ?

Now, lets say they did have the same percentage of motorcycles as, say Thailand for instance, is it beyond you comprehension to assume the UK's road fatality rate would be higher than it is now ?

Also, if Thailand had the same motorcycle ratio as The UK, can't you see that Thailand's road fatality rates would be less than they are now, still with me ?

I'm simply pointing out something obvious, should be obvious to ThaiVisa's Thai Bashing Fraternity too.

Is that simple enough for you to understand Mancub ?

Have u seen what it takes a to get a bike licence in the last 20 years in the UK?

you overlook the fact that most people on this thread got their d/ls over 30 or 40 years ago - and in some home countries including the US had a driving test that was less stringent than anything Thailand has to offer.....yet now they consider themselves to be "experts".

as for figures - well they are Stats and you can do more or less what you like - especially with road stats.

Consider a country with the same population as Thailand and about the same size with the same miles of roads but half the number of cars-if their road daeths per 100k were 75% of the Thai figure that country would actually be far more dangerous to drive in......

[Jon Wetherall]

Quite pathetic....

So all those tragic motorcycle accidents, often involving young children, are meaningless in your book !

Pray enlighten us as to what percentage of motorcycle fatalities involve another vehicle?

Let me put it in plain text, just for you, countries like the UK have nowhere near the percentage of Motorcycles as, say Thailand for instance, are you still with me ?

Now, lets say they did have the same percentage of motorcycles as, say Thailand for instance, is it beyond you comprehension to assume the UK's road fatality rate would be higher than it is now ?

Also, if Thailand had the same motorcycle ratio as The UK, can't you see that Thailand's road fatality rates would be less than they are now, still with me ?

I'm simply pointing out something obvious, should be obvious to ThaiVisa's Thai Bashing Fraternity too.

Is that simple enough for you to understand Mancub ?

Have u seen what it takes a to get a bike licence in the last 20 years in the UK?

you overlook the fact that most people on this thread got their d/ls over 30 or 40 years ago - and in some home countries including the US had a driving test that was less stringent than anything Thailand has to offer.....yet now they consider themselves to be "experts".

as for figures - well they are Stats and you can do more or less what you like - especially with road stats.

Consider a country with the same population as Thailand and about the same size with the same miles of roads but half the number of cars-if their road daeths per 100k were 75% of the Thai figure that country would actually be far more dangerous to drive in......

Nothing 'less stringent' about the DL's I got. Neither were in USA and both were tough.

No need to pay attention for stats because you can do more or less what you like with them? BS.

And then off we go to la-la land with fantasy stats and 'fer instances'.

Puhlease...

[robertthebruce]

We all know the problems here, guys!! I can imagine many Thai officials are reading our comments in this forum. Let's just come up with some good advices in how to deal with these problems.

Good Idea... its simple.. ''LEARN TO DRIVE'' PROPERLY....... END OF .... NEXT ..

[ikke]

Nr 3, 4 and 5 in the top countries where they drive on the left side of the road.....

[cumgranosalum]

We all know the problems here, guys!! I can imagine many Thai officials are reading our comments in this forum. Let's just come up with some good advices in how to deal with these problems.

Good Idea... its simple.. ''LEARN TO DRIVE'' PROPERLY....... END OF .... NEXT ..

absolute poppy-cock!

[willyumiii]

This is good news!

For as long as I remember, Thailand has been #2.

I assumed that Thailand's goal was to become #1.

A boy / young man was killed by a truck near my home, just last night.

If Thai police would enforce traffic laws, they may even get out of the top 5.

There are plenty of laws, they are just not enforced.

It is a sad situation.

[Just1Voice]

UK's rank is not surprising to me:....They are driving on the wrong side of the street

Clearly you do not know the reason behind driving on the left. it is historical and dates back to knights in armour riding horseback. Oops, some countries don't have that much history.

My country has a history of killing the Brits butt not only once but twice.

More of your guys got killed both times.

Humm, maybe so, but we still won in the end. lol

[bangrak]

That too goes together with education, or, in this case, the lack of it...

[JAG]

If I am not mistaken, last year Somalia was #1 and now they are not even in the top 5?

.....

They are all driving mini cabs in the UK.

[Pete Beale]

UK's rank is not surprising to me:....They are driving on the wrong side of the street

Clearly you do not know the reason behind driving on the left. it is historical and dates back to knights in armour riding horseback. Oops, some countries don't have that much history.

My country has a history of killing the Brits butt not only once but twice.

More of your guys got killed both times.

Humm, maybe so, but we still won in the end. lol

Only in the first one, and that was with a lot of help from the French and a bit of help from the Spanish and Dutch. So wouldn't pat yourself on the back too much.

[phoenixdoglover]

- It should be reminded that between 70 to 80% of road fatalities in Thailand involve motorcycle.

Don't bring that fact into it Johnny, it waters down the Thai Bashing frenzy that accompanies these threads, and they seem to appear quite often, ( wonder why ? ).

Quite pathetic....

So all those tragic motorcycle accidents, often involving young children, are meaningless in your book !

Pray enlighten us as to what percentage of motorcycle fatalities involve another vehicle?

Let me put it in plain text, just for you, countries like the UK have nowhere near the percentage of Motorcycles as, say Thailand for instance, are you still with me ?

Now, lets say they did have the same percentage of motorcycles as, say Thailand for instance, is it beyond you comprehension to assume the UK's road fatality rate would be higher than it is now ?

Also, if Thailand had the same motorcycle ratio as The UK, can't you see that Thailand's road fatality rates would be less than they are now, still with me ?

I'm simply pointing out something obvious, should be obvious to ThaiVisa's Thai Bashing Fraternity too.

Is that simple enough for you to understand Mancub ?

I would prefer a comparison of Thailand with other SE Asian countries.

For example, Cambodia has a much lower rate of road deaths than Thailand, but a similar mix of vehicles.

[Broken Record]

We all know the problems here, guys!! I can imagine many Thai officials are reading our comments in this forum. Let's just come up with some good advices in how to deal with these problems.

I wouldn't think Thai Officials read this forum, it's not been banned on Thai servers.

[cumgranosalum]

Don't bring that fact into it Johnny, it waters down the Thai Bashing frenzy that accompanies these threads, and they seem to appear quite often, ( wonder why ? ).

Quite pathetic....

So all those tragic motorcycle accidents, often involving young children, are meaningless in your book !

Pray enlighten us as to what percentage of motorcycle fatalities involve another vehicle?

Let me put it in plain text, just for you, countries like the UK have nowhere near the percentage of Motorcycles as, say Thailand for instance, are you still with me ?

Now, lets say they did have the same percentage of motorcycles as, say Thailand for instance, is it beyond you comprehension to assume the UK's road fatality rate would be higher than it is now ?

Also, if Thailand had the same motorcycle ratio as The UK, can't you see that Thailand's road fatality rates would be less than they are now, still with me ?

I'm simply pointing out something obvious, should be obvious to ThaiVisa's Thai Bashing Fraternity too.

Is that simple enough for you to understand Mancub ?

I would prefer a comparison of Thailand with other SE Asian countries.

For example, Cambodia has a much lower rate of road deaths than Thailand, but a similar mix of vehicles.

No it doesn't, go do a little research before putting out nonsense like that.

[phoenixdoglover]

Let me put it in plain text, just for you, countries like the UK have nowhere near the percentage of Motorcycles as, say Thailand for instance, are you still with me ?

Now, lets say they did have the same percentage of motorcycles as, say Thailand for instance, is it beyond you comprehension to assume the UK's road fatality rate would be higher than it is now ?

Also, if Thailand had the same motorcycle ratio as The UK, can't you see that Thailand's road fatality rates would be less than they are now, still with me ?

I'm simply pointing out something obvious, should be obvious to ThaiVisa's Thai Bashing Fraternity too.

Is that simple enough for you to understand Mancub ?

I would prefer a comparison of Thailand with other SE Asian countries.

For example, Cambodia has a much lower rate of road deaths than Thailand, but a similar mix of vehicles.

No it doesn't, go do a little research before putting out nonsense like that.

Cambodia 17.6 per 100,000 (Source: IRTAD, National Road Safety Committee, 2012)

Cambodia 17.2 per 100,000 (WHO, Interactive road safety map)

Thailand 38.1 per 100,000 (Source: WHO Interactive road safety map)

But I knew this before I made my post.

And then there is

Vietnam 24.7

Malaysia 25.0

Myanmar 15

PDR Lao 20.4

Edited September 9, 2015 by phoenixdoglover

[Basil B]

We all know the problems here, guys!! I can imagine many Thai officials are reading our comments in this forum. Let's just come up with some good advices in how to deal with these problems.

Wishful thinking...

But I think we are piddling in too the wind.

[balo]

Let me put it in plain text, just for you, countries like the UK have nowhere near the percentage of Motorcycles as, say Thailand for instance, are you still with me ?

Now, lets say they did have the same percentage of motorcycles as, say Thailand for instance, is it beyond you comprehension to assume the UK's road fatality rate would be higher than it is now ?

Also, if Thailand had the same motorcycle ratio as The UK, can't you see that Thailand's road fatality rates would be less than they are now, still with me ?

I'm simply pointing out something obvious, should be obvious to ThaiVisa's Thai Bashing Fraternity too.

Is that simple enough for you to understand Mancub ?

I would prefer a comparison of Thailand with other SE Asian countries.

For example, Cambodia has a much lower rate of road deaths than Thailand, but a similar mix of vehicles.

No it doesn't, go do a little research before putting out nonsense like that.

Cambodia 17.6 per 100,000 (Source: IRTAD, National Road Safety Committee, 2012)

Cambodia 17.2 per 100,000 (WHO, Interactive road safety map)

Thailand 38.1 per 100,000 (Source: WHO Interactive road safety map)

But I knew this before I made my post.

And then there is

Vietnam 24.7

Malaysia 25.0

Myanmar 15

PDR Lao 20.4

But can we trust the numbers ? Myanmar and Cambodia with low numbers. Not sure if everything is reported from a remote province......

Edited September 9, 2015 by balo

[thrilled]

Not sure about other cities in Thailand,but Riding A motorcycle in Bangkok means you have A death wish.Sooner or later,if not next year 3-10 years down the road you will get taken out.Hopefully just hurt.

The only way I would ride A motorcycle in Bangkok is with A group.At least that way you have A better chance.

[CarolJadzia]

And they call this news... Known fact for years decades...

The 2013 WHO report is here: http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/road_safety_status/2013/report/en/

A very good read...

Page 8. Good Pre-hospital care and quick transportation to hospitals can save lives... probably the only reason Thailand does not rank worst, though it would help if Thai Drivers were to move over for Emergency vehicles, of all the countries I have been too I have never seen so much arrogant, bloody minded, selfish bunch of drivers as in Thailand when it comes to giving way to ambulances on Blues and Twos.

PS. is that a photo of a Thai Hospital/Trauma Clinic?

Are you suggesting Thailand has a good record for first responders?

Looks to me like it's very poor. In the UK we have paid Fire and Ambulance personal who are contractually obliged to attend accidents and have maximum response times.

We also have things like Biker Down workshops that teach us how we can keep people alive in accidents until the first responders arrive.

We also have air ambulances and specialist units.

On the other hand Thailand does not record deaths that occur up to thirty days after being admitted to Hospital , unlike the UK and most of the rest of the world.

BTW the original report is wrong, the UK is still one of the lowest in the world according to WHO figures.

[CarolJadzia]

In this article from the British Telegraph newspaper there is a world map that puts things in perspective.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/activityandadventure/driving-holidays/11823464/Mapped-The-worlds-most-dangerous-places-to-drive.html

[CarolJadzia]

We all know the problems here, guys!! I can imagine many Thai officials are reading our comments in this forum. Let's just come up with some good advices in how to deal with these problems.

Wishful thinking...

But I think we are piddling in too the wind.

You are right if nothing changes. Same old same old.

But there are ways.

If Thai Drivers are so bad why are there not more accidents?

Every time there is an accident everyone plays the blame game or who is the richest so they can have the clean up bill.

What if instead or at least as well, we look to what causes the accidents and avoid them?

Most accidents are normal people doing normal everyday things who get 'surprised' by an unexpected situation.

We are all in this together, it is for us all to address the situation. Not the police, not the government, US.

Before anyone says "not me, i'm a good driver" I will point out that's a common answer as of course everyone is perfect and accidents are always someone else's fault.

Buddha teaches to look at yourself first, your own actions. You own conduct. In a 95% Buddhist country maybe thats a good place to start?

We offer a new way, a choice. It's free. Question is how many want to take it?

http://nosurprise.org.uk/

[bangon04]

I wonder where Thailand would rank if it were possible to calculate deaths per number of accidents. A motorcycle/ pickup accident in the UK might result in the death of the rider, and possibly a pillion, but happens rarely. Same accident in Thailand can mean four or five people thrown from the bike, wearing no protection, and any number from the back of the truck if it swerved and rolled.

and while the ambulance crew in the UK will have a good chance of stabilising and saving the life of the seriously injured, the "ambulance" ride in Thailand will probably finish off any seriously injured....

[thailand49]

Yeah but Libya and Iraq road deaths probably include a high percentage of IEDs, land mines and things like that. Thailand is probably much closer to number one.

Yea, I agree when you running away from terrorist and bombs that can lead to accidents and such. But here in Thailand they are running or flying down the Soi's just to have to wait at a 2 minute red light.

[cumgranosalum]

I wonder where Thailand would rank if it were possible to calculate deaths per number of accidents. A motorcycle/ pickup accident in the UK might result in the death of the rider, and possibly a pillion, but happens rarely. Same accident in Thailand can mean four or five people thrown from the bike, wearing no protection, and any number from the back of the truck if it swerved and rolled.

and while the ambulance crew in the UK will have a good chance of stabilising and saving the life of the seriously injured, the "ambulance" ride in Thailand will probably finish off any seriously injured....

Most of the posts on this thread have not even the remotest idea of road safety and the issues surrounding it.

In fact Thailand leads the world.. Or at least is in the top 3 when it comes to road deaths per 100k... There are of course several other ways to monitor road safety than just the number of people killed..... Even using this criteria, one has to define "road death" and take into account who and how initially collates the information.

Examining or evaluation is in fact one of the 5 "E"s involved in getting a true perspective on road safety in any country.... Something totally ignored by most posters on this thread and also by the Thai authorities.

One of the other "E"s is of course "emergency" an E that Thailand is almost a complete failure.

The aimed response time in the UK is 8 minutes.... Which just about puts it into perspective when you compare to Thailand's miserable efforts.... On top of this Thailand has no centralised, coordinated emergency services and very few properly equipped ambulances or trained paramedics...... So it is pretty obvious that this will have quite a profound affect on the numbers in death tolls.

[cumgranosalum]

PS if you don't know what the 5 Es are then I'd suggest you aren't in possession of even the most basic facts of road safety and would be unable to comment on the subject.

[cumgranosalum]

PPS the plural of anecdote is not data

[hugh2121]

UK's rank is not surprising to me:....They are driving on the wrong side of the street

Clearly you do not know the reason behind driving on the left. it is historical and dates back to knights in armour riding horseback. Oops, some countries don't have that much history.

My country has a history of killing the Brits butt not only once but twice.

More of your guys got killed both times.

Humm, maybe so, but we still won in the end. lol

Only in the first one, and that was with a lot of help from the French and a bit of help from the Spanish and Dutch. So wouldn't pat yourself on the back too much.

]My country has a history of killing the Brits

Yeah, disguised as "friendly fire". There's a country which has killed many allies with this headline.

[hugh2121]

UK's rank is not surprising to me:....They are driving on the wrong side of the street

Ergonomicly , I think the Brits got that one right. Now if they could only follow the rest of the modern world and think decimal : instead of miles, feet, inches, oz, pounds ,gallons,....metre, liter , gram .

At least we can spell (metre, litre etc.).