UK: Jonathan King arrested in child sex offences probe

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Jonathan King arrested in child sex offences probe

LONDON: -- The former music industry figure Jonathan King has been arrested on suspicion of historical child sex offences, the BBC understands.

Mr King, 70, was arrested at his home in Bayswater, west London, on Wednesday morning.

Two other men, aged 77 and 86, both from Walton-on-Thames, were also arrested and are being questioned.

The arrests were made in connection with allegations linked to the Walton Hop Disco in Walton-on-Thames.

An ongoing investigation, titled Operation Ravine, is looking into allegations of sexual offences against children connected with the disco in the 1970s and 1980s.

Surrey Police said specialist police officers were searching the men's properties.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34205654


-- BBC 2015-09-10

[ezzra]

It seems that all those by gone era were partaking in under age parties, those were the days I guess

and morality was not as politically correct and furious as now.....

[ukrules]

I don't get why they search the houses for 30-40 year old cases, if it's done under the pretence of looking for evidence related to the historical case in any way then it's a complete and utter lie.

[Seastallion]

I don't get why they search the houses for 30-40 year old cases, if it's done under the pretence of looking for evidence related to the historical case in any way then it's a complete and utter lie.

Old photos, even if outwardly innocent, may "set the scene" of the day. Who knows, maybe old letters with incriminating statements.

The police are doing their duty.

Why are the first three posts on this thread almost defending the accused? At least, showing sympathy.

[biggles45]

"It must have been terrible living with amnesia until now......"

They probably "recovered memories'" with the help of a psychiatrist, this was all the rage some years ago particularly with fathers accused, tho a lot of people rejected it as BS.

[Seastallion]

It seems that all those by gone era were partaking in under age parties, those were the days I guess

and morality was not as politically correct and furious as now.....

Your entire post, every single word, reeks of nostalgia and regret at what things have become.

Highly repugnant.

[Orac]

He already did 7 years for abusing 5 boys in the 80's.

[NanLaew]

...

Why are the first three posts on this thread almost defending the accused? At least, showing sympathy.

Maybe blowback from recent high-profile police actions that quickly seem to run out of steam? The Cliff Richard and Edward Heath 'cases' seem to be going nowhere very fast.

There's no defense for the indefensible acts IF THEY HAVE BEEN COMMITTED but I think these and similar cases are seriously challenged just by the length of time elapsed.

[NanLaew]

He already did 7 years for abusing 5 boys in the 80's.

And Gary Glitter was first convicted in 1999 for possession of kiddyporn before 'doing his time' and then after re-offending much more spectacularly in Cambodia and Vietnam in 2006, he was re-arrested in 2014 in the UK and charged with stuff that happened between 1975 and 1980.

[TPI]

And just who are the victims? The perpatrators or the "young " people? Any man who has been approached by a precocious 15 year old (who looks 19) or any person who is encouraged by a youngish person to engage in "silly stuff" has to be made of stone to reject the advances!

I can hear the shocked responses! if you haven't been in that situation then you have no right to judge! Taboo's change over time, would you have Joseph in court for making a "child" with Mary, even if she was only 14 when conception occured??

Where is your collective humanity? IMMHO

[circusman]

I don't get why they search the houses for 30-40 year old cases, if it's done under the pretence of looking for evidence related to the historical case in any way then it's a complete and utter lie.

Old photos, even if outwardly innocent, may "set the scene" of the day. Who knows, maybe old letters with incriminating statements.

The police are doing their duty.

Why are the first three posts on this thread almost defending the accused? At least, showing sympathy.

Sure does sound like sympathy.

[Rimmer]

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[stevenl]

And just who are the victims? The perpatrators or the "young " people? Any man who has been approached by a precocious 15 year old (who looks 19) or any person who is encouraged by a youngish person to engage in "silly stuff" has to be made of stone to reject the advances!

I can hear the shocked responses! if you haven't been in that situation then you have no right to judge! Taboo's change over time, would you have Joseph in court for making a "child" with Mary, even if she was only 14 when conception occured??

Where is your collective humanity? IMMHO

With the victims.

[sendintheclowns]

Ah, there we are - had forgotten where we'd gone to.....send in the clowns.

[TEFLKrabi]

And just who are the victims? The perpatrators or the "young " people? Any man who has been approached by a precocious 15 year old (who looks 19) or any person who is encouraged by a youngish person to engage in "silly stuff" has to be made of stone to reject the advances!

I can hear the shocked responses! if you haven't been in that situation then you have no right to judge! Taboo's change over time, would you have Joseph in court for making a "child" with Mary, even if she was only 14 when conception occured??

Where is your collective humanity? IMMHO

With the victims.

That'll be 'alleged victims' I assume?

[stevenl]

And just who are the victims? The perpatrators or the "young " people? Any man who has been approached by a precocious 15 year old (who looks 19) or any person who is encouraged by a youngish person to engage in "silly stuff" has to be made of stone to reject the advances!

I can hear the shocked responses! if you haven't been in that situation then you have no right to judge! Taboo's change over time, would you have Joseph in court for making a "child" with Mary, even if she was only 14 when conception occured??

Where is your collective humanity? IMMHO

With the victims.

That'll be 'alleged victims' I assume?

You assume wrong. With the victims.

[Jonmarleesco]

I don't get why they search the houses for 30-40 year old cases, if it's done under the pretence of looking for evidence related to the historical case in any way then it's a complete and utter lie.

Old photos, even if outwardly innocent, may "set the scene" of the day. Who knows, maybe old letters with incriminating statements.

The police are doing their duty.

Why are the first three posts on this thread almost defending the accused? At least, showing sympathy.

Because they are just that, right now - accused. Though, as per usual, the media has named one name, regardless of the fact that there might be nothing to the allegations. Or do you always work on the 'no smoke' theory?

[johncat1]

I thought he had already been convicted a long time ago

[NanLaew]

... Any man who has been approached by a precocious 15 year old (who looks 19) or any person who is encouraged by a youngish person to engage in "silly stuff" has to be made of stone to reject the advances! ...

Bugger!... I missed out on any of that. Must be the situations I don't get myself into.

[Basil B]

I don't get why they search the houses for 30-40 year old cases, if it's done under the pretence of looking for evidence related to the historical case in any way then it's a complete and utter lie.

Probably to see if he is still at it...

He was sentenced to 7 years in 2001, there were 2 subsequent retrials (one where it could not be proved the boy in question was under 16 at the time, another where the prosecution failed to provide any more evidence).

Given the time and the fact that he has done his time, and unless he has been a naughty boy since I would have thought the police would have better things to do as I would have thought any witnesses/complainants would have come forward 15 years ago.

How can you put someone in the whiteness box and expect them to recall events that happened 40 years ago?

[ggt]

Maybe the police like focusing on elderly folks in their 70s and 80s rather then have to deal with young folk who for the most part totally disrespect law enforcement...

[Credo]

I think the nature of British society has changed over the years and some of the people were pretty much untouchable then are a lot more touchable now.

[NanLaew]

I thought he had already been convicted a long time ago

See post #9: Paul Gadd's most recent incarceration if for the crimes committed well before and not associated with the crimes that led to his first incarceration.

Just because someone was banged up for being kiddy fiddler once doesn't mean he can't be banged up for being a kiddy fiddler again even if it predates the first prosecution.

[NanLaew]

I think the nature of British society has changed over the years and some of the people were pretty much untouchable then are a lot more touchable now.

Apropos choice of words there with respect to who can touch who... and otherwise.

[Sviss Geez]

And just who are the victims? The perpatrators or the "young " people? Any man who has been approached by a precocious 15 year old (who looks 19) or any person who is encouraged by a youngish person to engage in "silly stuff" has to be made of stone to reject the advances!

I can hear the shocked responses! if you haven't been in that situation then you have no right to judge! Taboo's change over time, would you have Joseph in court for making a "child" with Mary, even if she was only 14 when conception occured??

Where is your collective humanity? IMMHO

"Taboo's change over time, would you have Joseph in court for making a "child" with Mary, even if she was only 14 when conception occured??"

That's just a fairy tale, it never actually happened.

[MaeJoMTB]

I thought the UK justice system was about rehabilitation rather than retribution.

Chasing old guys for supposed crimes that may have happened 40 years ago is just wrong.

There is no evidence, little justice, and it's a complete waste of time and money.

[Seastallion]

I don't get why they search the houses for 30-40 year old cases, if it's done under the pretence of looking for evidence related to the historical case in any way then it's a complete and utter lie.

Old photos, even if outwardly innocent, may "set the scene" of the day. Who knows, maybe old letters with incriminating statements.

The police are doing their duty.

Why are the first three posts on this thread almost defending the accused? At least, showing sympathy.

Because they are just that, right now - accused. Though, as per usual, the media has named one name, regardless of the fact that there might be nothing to the allegations. Or do you always work on the 'no smoke' theory?

I take your point, without conceding that I have already condemned them.

My rule of thumb in child abuse allegations is to err on the side of caution.

Where did you stand on the Muslims accused of child abuse in the UK?

[biggles45]

That's just a fairy tale, it never actually happened."

yet it is accepted as fact and as the basis for a religion? Was 14 an acceptable age for sex in those times? I dont remember any religious leaders condemning his actions!

[uptheos]

And just who are the victims? The perpatrators or the "young " people? Any man who has been approached by a precocious 15 year old (who looks 19) or any person who is encouraged by a youngish person to engage in "silly stuff" has to be made of stone to reject the advances!

I can hear the shocked responses! if you haven't been in that situation then you have no right to judge! Taboo's change over time, would you have Joseph in court for making a "child" with Mary, even if she was only 14 when conception occured??

Where is your collective humanity? IMMHO

You could always charge the Holy Ghost I guess, but Joseph was innocent.

[7by7]

That's just a fairy tale, it never actually happened."

yet it is accepted as fact and as the basis for a religion? Was 14 an acceptable age for sex in those times? I dont remember any religious leaders condemning his actions!

Until comparatively recently in most cultures, certainly those based on the three Abrahamic religions, the age of consent was reckoned to be the onset of puberty. Which for girls can be any age between 8 and 14, boys 9 and 14; depending on a range of factors (source).

These days, rightly, physical maturity is not sufficient; some element of mental maturity is required as well, so most countries have an age of consent at 16 or above.

The legal age of consent for heterosexual sex in England and Wales was first set in the 12th century at 10, this was raised to 13 in 1875 and to 16 in 1885.

Spain raised it's age of consent from 13 to 16 this year!