Valentine Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 In previous times he was quoted almost on a daily basis. Maybe he feels he is being neglected. Makes me wonder how long Chalerm can hold his tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 So, stop criticizing opponents, except at "national forums" with, presumably, approved delegates. Add to this a democratic standard constitution (except for the restraints on free speech) and all the problems are solved, right? At last a voice crying in the wilderness with a solution that makes sense. Where there is a will there is a way. Opps forgot for a second where I was living. Excuse my French , but it might not be the way youd' like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 A three point reconciliation process....And I thought that a foreign minister would be somewhat more informed than that, or maybe he is just playing along with the rest of the actors in the present govt. First of all there are not two sides in the Thai politics soup, there are three sides, so a three point reconciliation would actually be appropriate for the three sides... What is that slogan in the news? "Our country Together we become strong"? or something like that? Maybe he can only count to three Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichabod Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Since Noppadol knows there is no chance of compromise with the elite who are determined to complete the disenfranchisement of the majority this time around in a durable way. So, why would he bother to say it? Maybe just trying to hold the high moral ground. The notion that the military has the slightest genuine interest in reconciliation is laughable. The future depends on the Thai economy. If it goes into recession the military will lose their support from the business class at which point some accommodation may be tried of which the Somkid appointment may be a harbinger. That's how the Tom Yung Kung crisis of 1997 led to the People's Constitution of the same year, the most democratic version to date. Edited September 21, 2015 by Ichabod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 What causes more problems- a so called hate speech or the people who decide which one is and which one isn’t? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidream Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The former minister's plan makes perfect sense. However, some details need to be worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapout Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The ex FM put his all into his proposal just as he was instructed to by Thaksin. He is a example of another mouth piece reading from his bosses script. A waste of newsptint just as is the space he occpies on this earth. He fits into the Thaksin mafia quite nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louse1953 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Technically? What is a technical coup? The coup we had to have,technically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Blanket amnesty for all Shin and redshirt crimes. Well if the army automatically get amnesty....... would not want double standards now would we...... What were the crimes of the army? Undertaking a coup No there just change an unelected (corrupt) caretaker government by an administrative government. Yingluck loose her job by legal channel Ok, you are possibly the only person in the world that believes it was not a coup, including the people who actually undertook it. Back on planet earth meanwhile.... But not against Yingluck I think, she was out already. Else you are right, technically it was a coup. But someone had to do something.... Indeed somebody should. Somebody should have ensured that the security was in place so the entirely proper election which had properly been called, could have gone ahead and resulted in a government elected and installed in constitutional manner. Instead somebody allowed (perhaps even encouraged) the prevention of the election and then seized power in a coup, tearing up the constitution. Somebody then covered his backside by issuing himself and his mates an amnesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The ex FM put his all into his proposal just as he was instructed to by Thaksin. He is a example of another mouth piece reading from his bosses script. A waste of newsptint just as is the space he occpies on this earth. He fits into the Thaksin mafia quite nicely. You against reconciliation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneday Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 What he has to say is very, very reasonable, but because it was said by a person many people do not like they think it should be criticized and dismissed, which is exactly what causes all the problems this country has. Things will never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aripengu Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 A wide dialogue after declaring martial law would have been the right move, talk openly about problems without insulting each other and lead the country forward. Dr. Prayuth's and his Friend's "go back in time authoritarian experiment" with it's shady constitution is creating a much deeper divide, it is attempting to solve a situation with methods that created the problem in the first place: authoritarianism, blind obedience, treat adults like little children, don't teach them to think, nourish fairy tales about being Thai. There was nothing before the coup that could not have been solved through legal channels, the coup/mob was just a desperate attempt to cling on to power in a society that sooner or later is ending feudalism. Now we can continue with the taboos and ego save face games dragging every body down until all it's neighbours overtake Thailand or start showing some genuine self criticism by all parts in conflict and start solving the underlying conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapout Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) The ex FM put his all into his proposal just as he was instructed to by Thaksin. He is a example of another mouth piece reading from his bosses script. A waste of newsptint just as is the space he occpies on this earth. He fits into the Thaksin mafia quite nicely. You against reconciliation? Not at all but I am against Thaksin and anyone supporting him having any real input as they are the ones who caused the majority of the problems that are being addressed by the present government. When the entire Thaksins faction mafia repay with intrest what they stole from the thai public, serve their prison time and all ill gotten assets are sold at public action, they should be given the oppurnity to express their ideas on reconcilation. Edited September 21, 2015 by slapout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 What is the third point? A hidden agenda? Blanket amnesty for all Shin and redshirt crimes. Well if the army automatically get amnesty....... would not want double standards now would we...... What were the crimes of the army? Murder,treason,massive corruption,torture Is that enough to begin with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empireboy Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 All reconciliation is achieved with dialogue.Peace (of a sort) can be achieved by dictatorship in one form or another but if Thailand wants to play in the sandpit the other kids, there must be reconciliation.Reconciliation and the requisite dialogue to achieve it can only be achieved on the basis of respect of some sort...When current Thai leadership work this out and act like it's so, they have a chance! Till then......... EXPECT MORE OF THE SAME!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The ex FM put his all into his proposal just as he was instructed to by Thaksin. He is a example of another mouth piece reading from his bosses script. A waste of newsptint just as is the space he occpies on this earth. He fits into the Thaksin mafia quite nicely. You against reconciliation? Not at all but I am against Thaksin and anyone supporting him having any real input as they are the ones who caused the majority of the problems that are being addressed by the present government.When the entire Thaksins faction mafia repay with intrest what they stole from the thai public, serve their prison time and all ill gotten assets are sold at public action, they should be given the oppurnity to express their ideas on reconcilation. You really should go further and ask for Thaksin's head on the platter. That will solve Thailand problems last 50 years and next 50 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rice555 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 the article should have said, " toxsin lawyer proposes ", that was his major job, just another paid mouth piece. rice555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorn Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The ex FM put his all into his proposal just as he was instructed to by Thaksin. He is a example of another mouth piece reading from his bosses script. A waste of newsptint just as is the space he occpies on this earth. He fits into the Thaksin mafia quite nicely. You against reconciliation? Not at all but I am against Thaksin and anyone supporting him having any real input as they are the ones who caused the majority of the problems that are being addressed by the present government.When the entire Thaksins faction mafia repay with intrest what they stole from the thai public, serve their prison time and all ill gotten assets are sold at public action, they should be given the oppurnity to express their ideas on reconcilation. You really should go further and ask for Thaksin's head on the platter. That will solve Thailand problems last 50 years and next 50 years. And all the democrats. police and military not aligned with Thaksin can keep all their ill-gotten gains, eh Slapout? Or do you believe they have become massively wealthy through ingenuity and hard work? Remember according to all international studies, corruption decreased during the periods when the shins were in power but increased when the democrats/military governments were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostmebike Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Whilst rioting, throwing hand grenades and other terrorist acts are not the way to get your voice heard, do Thai politicians really need to be told to respect and love each other??? I know that`s not what the report states about loving each other but for a nation as nationalistic as Thais, don`t they all love each other already? haha If the Police farce, sorry force can`t bring those who do try to bomb their way to power to book, what`s the point of a big love in, sorry `reconciliation` anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichabod Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 In the context of Thai politics generic disparagement of politicians across the board has a different meaning from similar comments in the West. Here an attack on politicians is a coded attack on democracy. Although there is certainly extensive corruption among the political class, including the Shinawatras, one never hears public denunciations of the Thai military as a corrupt class, even though their degree of corruption probably surpasses that of the politicians as a group. So, for expats here casually to condemn Thai politicians en masse supports the anti-democratic activism of the elites very much including the coup-makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 What is the third point? A hidden agenda? Blanket amnesty for all Shin and redshirt crimes. Well if the army automatically get amnesty....... would not want double standards now would we...... The army haven't been given amnesty. The coup leaders have granted themselves immunity which seems de rigeur for all coup leaders. No doubt the Shins would settle for the same - amnesty for the boss and his family and stuff the minions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Since Noppadol knows there is no chance of compromise with the elite who are determined to complete the disenfranchisement of the majority this time around in a durable way. So, why would he bother to say it? Maybe just trying to hold the high moral ground. The notion that the military has the slightest genuine interest in reconciliation is laughable. The future depends on the Thai economy. If it goes into recession the military will lose their support from the business class at which point some accommodation may be tried of which the Somkid appointment may be a harbinger. That's how the Tom Yung Kung crisis of 1997 led to the People's Constitution of the same year, the most democratic version to date. Ah the mysterious majority again. That elusive number that never voted for PTP. The notion that the Shin have the slightest interest in reconciliation is laughable. Refusing to share among the other rich elite controlling families has been their downfall time and time again. But immense greed flows through their veins and their egotistical despotic leader will share power with no one. In some ways that's good. If the Shins did share with the other wealthy elites and military the poor would be really screwed. Whilst the Shins will never really do much to help them they have inadvertently let the genie out the bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 While some Democrats view him as a rat for jumping ship, many others hold him in high esteem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Give it another year or so until all opposition has been eliminated and then the REAL reconciliation can start, mai pen rai. Actually no. Reconciliation can never start while Thaksin is in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob12345 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The ex FM put his all into his proposal just as he was instructed to by Thaksin. He is a example of another mouth piece reading from his bosses script. A waste of newsptint just as is the space he occpies on this earth. He fits into the Thaksin mafia quite nicely. You against reconciliation? Not at all but I am against Thaksin and anyone supporting him having any real input as they are the ones who caused the majority of the problems that are being addressed by the present government. When the entire Thaksins faction mafia repay with intrest what they stole from the thai public, serve their prison time and all ill gotten assets are sold at public action, they should be given the oppurnity to express their ideas on reconcilation. So you are saying Taksin was behind the inflated lottery ticket prices? As that is the only problem the present government has addressed so far I assume you are referring to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Give it another year or so until all opposition has been eliminated and then the REAL reconciliation can start, mai pen rai. Actually no. Reconciliation can never start while Thaksin is in the picture. Couldn't the same can be said that reconciliation can never start while Suthep is in the picture. if you factor in the Suthep and Prayuth collaboration, reconciliation is not the top agenda. Remember the war chant of Suthep and the continuing blame game by Prayuth? It's a pattern all too obvious and it's not about reconciliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Did Noppadon make this statement before or after Thaksin told his red-shirts to lay low ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 What is the third point? A hidden agenda? Blanket amnesty for all Shin and redshirt crimes. Well if the army automatically get amnesty....... would not want double standards now would we...... The army haven't been given amnesty. The coup leaders have granted themselves immunity which seems de rigeur for all coup leaders. No doubt the Shins would settle for the same - amnesty for the boss and his family and stuff the minions. No.Amnesty is certainly on the cards for coups which have been pre approved .For coups that are attempted without the necessary authorisation ( don't ask) the penalty is the more normal one for this kind of treasonable criminality - eg the execution of General Chalard Hiransiri in1977.Needless to say this kind of punishment is limited to coups which have failed.Chalard was also responsible for murdering a fellow general.Even now coupsters are very careful not to spill blood no doubt with Chalard's fate in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Blanket amnesty for all Shin and redshirt crimes. Well if the army automatically get amnesty....... would not want double standards now would we...... What were the crimes of the army? Undertaking a coup No there just change an unelected (corrupt) caretaker government by an administrative government. Yingluck loose her job by legal channel Huh??? Try English!!!! Oh, you did? Sorry about that. Well, try harder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Well if the army automatically get amnesty....... would not want double standards now would we...... The army haven't been given amnesty. The coup leaders have granted themselves immunity which seems de rigeur for all coup leaders. No doubt the Shins would settle for the same - amnesty for the boss and his family and stuff the minions. No.Amnesty is certainly on the cards for coups which have been pre approved .For coups that are attempted without the necessary authorisation ( don't ask) the penalty is the more normal one for this kind of treasonable criminality - eg the execution of General Chalard Hiransiri in1977.Needless to say this kind of punishment is limited to coups which have failed.Chalard was also responsible for murdering a fellow general.Even now coupsters are very careful not to spill blood no doubt with Chalard's fate in mind. Wish it was the same for those still unknowns' who like to shoot at non-red-shirts, drop grenades and so. Mind you Noppadon doesn't talk about amnesty, just reconciliation. BTW a three point plan? 1. be nice to each other 2. hold national forums 3. fair rules acceptable to all I can see how that will surely work as Thai are special. In most countries though he'd be ignored. PS there is a difference between immunity and amnesty. Consult your local lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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