Gun control debate in the spotlight following Oregon campus shootings

lostoday · October 5, 2015

2001 by Muslims from Saudi Arabia. (9/11) is the largest I think. 3003 people murdered. 8700 injured. By limiting to 10 years you miss the largest and most catastrophic murders. I don't really think the difference between 10 and 14 years is significant unless you are trying to cover up the largest atrocity which I think is your point but no one is fooled. It is like saying how many people were murdered in death camps in the past 70 years = 0. How many in the past 75 years = 10 million. Get it?

Covering up what and foollng who? Thanks to CNN, we can crank the time frame back to include America's second most infamous day in history and guess what...? You do the math.

Get it?

This is a hate crime. The media attention to gun crimes is a diversion so the people don't get any more angry than they are at each other.

Hate crimes should be compared to hate crimes. The gun control spotlight is media trying to manipulate ignorant people into making it an election issue and you are falling for the hype.

I would wager that most violent deaths by the bullet in the US are because someone hated someone else so I don't really understand your diversion here.

So what if people "get more angry than they are at each other"? All they need to when all riled up is go get a gun and take care of it no?

In the initial coverage, the media filtered the reporting to specifically eliminate the 'religion' aspect by saying the shooter simply asked victims what was their religion. It's only after about a day that it has become clear that the shooter specifically asked if victims were Christian before killing them. It's the right-wing media that's getting their panties in a bunch with their rather lame "Christians were being targeted so it is only another a hate crime so better go get your guns".

Wrong again. You wrote, "someone hated someone else so I don't really understand your diversion here."

Hate crimes Crimes of hatred and prejudice—from lynchings to cross burnings to vandalism of synagogues—are a sad fact of American history, but the term “hate crime” did not enter the nation’s vocabulary until the 1980s, when emerging hate groups like the Skinheads launched a wave of bias-related crime. The FBI began investigating what we now call hate crimes as far back as World War I, when the Ku Klux Klan first attracted our attention. Today, we remain dedicated to working with state and local partners to prevent these crimes and to bring to justice those who commit them.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/hate_crimes

lostoday · October 5, 2015

The question here is : do you, pro guns who live in thailand, have a gun here? If yes do you own it legally? If no, do you feel your safety threatened ?

It is legal for wives of Farang to own and keep guns in the home as it is legal for wives of Farang to own homes and land.

So doyou have a gun?

If the wife can have a gun that doesn't mean you can carry a gun with you

My wife goes with me most places and people don't seem to bother us. Below is a photo of wife.

lostboy · October 5, 2015

A school teacher has an easy time with a class of 10 and a difficult time with a class of 50. Australia has a population of 20 million and the USA has 300 million. Do you see the difference? Australia has 33 thousand people in jail. USA has almost 3 million. Do you see the difference? If my only worry was a population the size of Florida with few violent minorities, crime and guns would not be much of a problem.

Clearly the whole concept of governance eludes you. You imply a connection between differential population sizes and gun control but don't offer anything but snide comments centred on simple arithmatic. Utterly meaningless. Your notion of social cohesion is outmoded, discredited and backward. As is your notion of class room management. There is nothing there to offer to any discussion on gun control. Other countries have led the way and provide examples. Ignore, resist and deny them at your peril.

The concept of city like Detroit eludes you. Australia does not have one. Crime in Australia is not the same as crime in America.

If you have a problem in America in many places cops don't come to help you. It is not the same in Australia.

You want to compare Australia gun/crime with America OK. Adjust your ethnic populations to match America.

Pick places in America that have a ethnic and population match to Australia. Alaska, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming those kinds of places. Gun crimes? Next to none.

Why were you speaking in code all this time. Your concern is not population size or habitable zones. Your concern is people with dark skins and poor people. You fear them. That's why you want your guns. Why didn't you make this clear in the first place. If I'd known I was dealing with a common garden variety racist, I wouldn't have bothered. Since there is no point dealing with bigots, then I will leave with the final observation that your understanding of Australia, a country of immigrants, is woeful.

Edited October 5, 2015 by lostboy

Basil B · October 5, 2015

I recall a thread only a few weeks back when it was stated there were on average more than 1 mass killing a day in America...

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Thursday was day #273 of 2015

I hope Hillary has the Balls to take on the NRA something no male US President has.

She didn't have the balls to take on her husband. Bill is a hunter.

So there are pictures of bill hunting wild foul, no problem if the wild foul was consumed...

I have no problem with people keeping guns if:

They are of sound mind
They are of good character
That guns a kept in a gun safe when not in use and ammo is kept separate
The number of guns kept be limited
They have good reason for keeping a gun(s)

MaxYakov · October 5, 2015

The question here is : do you, pro guns who live in thailand, have a gun here? If yes do you own it legally? If no, do you feel your safety threatened ?

It is legal for wives of Farang to own and keep guns in the home as it is legal for wives of Farang to own homes and land.

So doyou have a gun?

If the wife can have a gun that doesn't mean you can carry a gun with you

My wife goes with me most places and people don't seem to bother us. Below is a photo of wife.

Nice legs! Hope she doesn't hit one by accident ... or choke on an ingested shell casing. I think I saw her the the other day on Sukhumvit putting holes in buses.

Edited October 5, 2015 by MaxYakov

jpinx · October 5, 2015

Add this information into the mix and discuss without prejudice .....

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/860745-us-mass-shootings-grab-headlines-but-others-go-under-radar/

MaxYakov · October 5, 2015

There was a video posted on this thread of an interview with Chris Harper-Mercer's father. Good luck finding a comparable (or any) interview with his mother, who apparently had provided support for her son for many years. His father seemed to have been, from the interview, completely disconnected from his son for some time.

Having said that let me pose this simple question:

How many instances of suicidal mass shootings by females have occurred?

Mr. Stefan Molyneaux has quite a bit to say in a 1/2 hour video about "control" and it isn't about the control of guns:

A transcription of part of Mr. Molyneaux's video starting from about 24:25 (video link is below):

"Parents, parents, parents, parents parents. I literally just can't believe the
things that I have to say on this show.

Let's just run through a little checklist.

Let's say your child is ordering Nazi paraphernalia online and bragging about it.
Think you might have a bit of a problem?

Oh, got one! If your child is spending time in school drawing coffins and skull and creepy disembodied eyeballs and not currently playing Dungeon and Dragons,now (whispered) you might have a bit of a problem.

If your child has a myspace account ... Ok, that's it ... just a myspace account, actually, and has only two people into him - one of whom seems to be whacking off to Johnny Depp porn (whispered) you might have a problem.

If your child expresses deep and sympathetic admiration for a racist murderer
and a strong desire to follow in his bloody footprints, (softly) you might have
a problem.

If your child is obsessed about a documentary on the Sandy Hook shootings,
yeah, (whispered) you might have a problem.

If his best approach to winning a fair lady's heart is to use Nazi language,
in his dating profile name, you might have a problem and, trust me, that
problem will not be an excess of grandchildren.

So, if given all of the above, and other things that I'm sure will come out
over time, if your sweet little boy happens to be amassing likely under your
own roof an arsenal of thirteen lethal weapons, enough ammunition to bring
down half a Goddamned continent and body armor and posting all these pictures
online (loudly) you might have a problem!

Parents, for God's sake, do your job!

We all have to live with people you produce. There are good parents in Arlon
who raised their kids well, who are going to put those children into the
ground because your hell spawn got loose from your control.

You're paying the bills, you're feeding him, you're putting a roof over his
head. If he's out of control, you get the experts in. You get him someplace
where he's got safety and security. You keep him (loudly) off the sidewalk

where other people's children, where my children and your children are
going to be walking.

You take him (loudly) out of society. You've got a rabid dog, you keep that
thing in the basement.

It's your job!"

vogie · October 5, 2015

I just watched an interview on CNN with the shooter's British father.

Of course he blamed the availability of guns as the entire problem.

Nary a word about the medical profession protecting the crazies or his role in raising a mass murderer.

Frankly I found him rather disgusting, but predictable considering where he is originally from.

Frankly if that's your 'get out of jail card' it hasn't worked.

Hows could you possibly come up with the idiotic assumption that I need a "get out of jail free" card.

Where is your "get a life" card?

Can you enlighten us all as to the meaning of your vile and odious comment of:-

"Frankly I found him rather disgusting, but predictable considering where he is originally from" so are you saying that the British are predictable disgusting because of where we originate from.

Apparently he did not live with his father and his father had no idea of his arsenal of firearms, but its all too easy for people like you to pass the buck. Indeed how did he raise a mass murderer, do you think he fed him raw meat for his chilhood years? I can only reiterate the offenciveness of your post. It all goes to prove the easy availability of guns in the US, but you people will always advocate the right to bear arms.

chuckd · October 5, 2015

I just watched an interview on CNN with the shooter's British father.

Of course he blamed the availability of guns as the entire problem.

Nary a word about the medical profession protecting the crazies or his role in raising a mass murderer.

Frankly I found him rather disgusting, but predictable considering where he is originally from.

Frankly if that's your 'get out of jail card' it hasn't worked.

Hows could you possibly come up with the idiotic assumption that I need a "get out of jail free" card.

Where is your "get a life" card?

Can you enlighten us all as to the meaning of your vile and odious comment of:-
"Frankly I found him rather disgusting, but predictable considering where he is originally from" so are you saying that the British are predictable disgusting because of where we originate from.

Apparently he did not live with his father and his father had no idea of his arsenal of firearms, but its all too easy for people like you to pass the buck. Indeed how did he raise a mass murderer, do you think he fed him raw meat for his chilhood years? I can only reiterate the offenciveness of your post. It all goes to prove the easy availability of guns in the US, but you people will always advocate the right to bear arms.

I will be happy to enlighten you but I doubt you will find it any less offensive than my original response.

I have been a member of this forum going on 13 years so I consider myself well versed in which nationalities are apt to take a particular position on gun control. As you might recall there have been a plethora of such threads in recent years.

The overwhelming attitude towards the Second Amendment is a mixture of ridicule and scorn from many forum members emanating from the nations of England, Australia, New Zealand and the partners of the EU. The liberal progressive attitude is the lowly Americans have no idea what they are doing and somehow are threatening the well being of the world with the US' right to bear arms, notwithstanding the fact most of the critics of the Second Amendment have never been in the US, never lived in the US and have no plans to ever visit the US.

Nothing seems to be at fault except the weapons industry and the lack of laws. No fault lies with the medical profession for their confidentiality rules, the entertainment industry for their violent games or Hollywood for their graphic violence in movies.

First and foremost is, nobody seems to think the parents should bear any responsibility for the actions of their offspring who have turned against society and decided to mass murder innocent people. There doesn't appear to be any soul searching on their part trying to figure out where they went wrong and what they might have been able to do to avoid tragedies such as this.

The interview I watched on CNN with the shooter's father was blaming the availability of guns as the sole reason his son went south on humanity.

And this, kind sir, is the general attitude that is voiced on this forum by members of those nations mentioned above. It's all the fault of the gun owners and gun laws.

You might want to rethink what you consider to be vile and odious.

How about the murder of nine innocent young people by a crazed maladjusted individual as a starter?

chuckd · October 5, 2015

There was a video posted on this thread of an interview with Chris Harper-Mercer's father. Good luck finding a comparable (or any) interview with his mother, who apparently had provided support for her son for many years. His father seemed to have been, from the interview, completely disconnected from his son for some time.

Having said that let me pose this simple question:

How many instances of suicidal mass shootings by females have occurred?

Mr. Stefan Molyneaux has quite a bit to say in a 1/2 hour video about "control" and it isn't about the control of guns:

A transcription of part of Mr. Molyneaux's video starting from about 24:25 (video link is below):

"Parents, parents, parents, parents parents. I literally just can't believe the

things that I have to say on this show.

Let's just run through a little checklist.

Let's say your child is ordering Nazi paraphernalia online and bragging about it.

Think you might have a bit of a problem?

Oh, got one! If your child is spending time in school drawing coffins and skull and creepy disembodied eyeballs and not currently playing Dungeon and Dragons,now (whispered) you might have a bit of a problem.

If your child has a myspace account ... Ok, that's it ... just a myspace account, actually, and has only two people into him - one of whom seems to be whacking off to Johnny Depp porn (whispered) you might have a problem.

If your child expresses deep and sympathetic admiration for a racist murderer

and a strong desire to follow in his bloody footprints, (softly) you might have

a problem.

If your child is obsessed about a documentary on the Sandy Hook shootings,

yeah, (whispered) you might have a problem.

If his best approach to winning a fair lady's heart is to use Nazi language,

in his dating profile name, you might have a problem and, trust me, that

problem will not be an excess of grandchildren.

So, if given all of the above, and other things that I'm sure will come out

over time, if your sweet little boy happens to be amassing likely under your

own roof an arsenal of thirteen lethal weapons, enough ammunition to bring

down half a Goddamned continent and body armor and posting all these pictures

online (loudly) you might have a problem!

Parents, for God's sake, do your job!

We all have to live with people you produce. There are good parents in Arlon

who raised their kids well, who are going to put those children into the

ground because your hell spawn got loose from your control.

You're paying the bills, you're feeding him, you're putting a roof over his

head. If he's out of control, you get the experts in. You get him someplace

where he's got safety and security. You keep him (loudly) off the sidewalk

where other people's children, where my children and your children are

going to be walking.

You take him (loudly) out of society. You've got a rabid dog, you keep that

thing in the basement.

It's your job!"

<snip>

Well said, Max.

vogie · October 5, 2015

I just watched an interview on CNN with the shooter's British father.

Of course he blamed the availability of guns as the entire problem.

Nary a word about the medical profession protecting the crazies or his role in raising a mass murderer.

Frankly I found him rather disgusting, but predictable considering where he is originally from.
Frankly if that's your 'get out of jail card' it hasn't worked.

Hows could you possibly come up with the idiotic assumption that I need a "get out of jail free" card.

Where is your "get a life" card?
Can you enlighten us all as to the meaning of your vile and odious comment of:-
"Frankly I found him rather disgusting, but predictable considering where he is originally from" so are you saying that the British are predictable disgusting because of where we originate from.
Apparently he did not live with his father and his father had no idea of his arsenal of firearms, but its all too easy for people like you to pass the buck. Indeed how did he raise a mass murderer, do you think he fed him raw meat for his chilhood years? I can only reiterate the offenciveness of your post. It all goes to prove the easy availability of guns in the US, but you people will always advocate the right to bear arms.

I will be happy to enlighten you but I doubt you will find it any less offensive than my original response.

I have been a member of this forum going on 13 years so I consider myself well versed in which nationalities are apt to take a particular position on gun control. As you might recall there have been a plethora of such threads in recent years.

The overwhelming attitude towards the Second Amendment is a mixture of ridicule and scorn from many forum members emanating from the nations of England, Australia, New Zealand and the partners of the EU. The liberal progressive attitude is the lowly Americans have no idea what they are doing and somehow are threatening the well being of the world with the US' right to bear arms, notwithstanding the fact most of the critics of the Second Amendment have never been in the US, never lived in the US and have no plans to ever visit the US.

Nothing seems to be at fault except the weapons industry and the lack of laws. No fault lies with the medical profession for their confidentiality rules, the entertainment industry for their violent games or Hollywood for their graphic violence in movies.

First and foremost is, nobody seems to think the parents should bear any responsibility for the actions of their offspring who have turned against society and decided to mass murder innocent people. There doesn't appear to be any soul searching on their part trying to figure out where they went wrong and what they might have been able to do to avoid tragedies such as this.

The interview I watched on CNN with the shooter's father was blaming the availability of guns as the sole reason his son went south on humanity.

And this, kind sir, is the general attitude that is voiced on this forum by members of those nations mentioned above. It's all the fault of the gun owners and gun laws.

You might want to rethink what you consider to be vile and odious.

How about the murder of nine innocent young people by a crazed maladjusted individual as a starter?

I might want to consider your statement of "Frankly I found him rather disgusting, but predictable considering where he is originally from" I don't think so! Maybe you should consider retracting such verbal diarrhoe, do you really think the Brits are disgusting?
Oh and now you are playing your 'I have been a member on this forum for thirteen years' card. Perhaps you should know better and conduct yourself accordingly, but I suspect not.

Credo · October 5, 2015

I just watched an interview on CNN with the shooter's British father.

Of course he blamed the availability of guns as the entire problem.

Nary a word about the medical profession protecting the crazies or his role in raising a mass murderer.

Frankly I found him rather disgusting, but predictable considering where he is originally from.

Frankly if that's your 'get out of jail card' it hasn't worked.

Hows could you possibly come up with the idiotic assumption that I need a "get out of jail free" card.

Where is your "get a life" card?

Can you enlighten us all as to the meaning of your vile and odious comment of:-
"Frankly I found him rather disgusting, but predictable considering where he is originally from" so are you saying that the British are predictable disgusting because of where we originate from.

Apparently he did not live with his father and his father had no idea of his arsenal of firearms, but its all too easy for people like you to pass the buck. Indeed how did he raise a mass murderer, do you think he fed him raw meat for his chilhood years? I can only reiterate the offenciveness of your post. It all goes to prove the easy availability of guns in the US, but you people will always advocate the right to bear arms.

I will be happy to enlighten you but I doubt you will find it any less offensive than my original response.

I have been a member of this forum going on 13 years so I consider myself well versed in which nationalities are apt to take a particular position on gun control. As you might recall there have been a plethora of such threads in recent years.

The overwhelming attitude towards the Second Amendment is a mixture of ridicule and scorn from many forum members emanating from the nations of England, Australia, New Zealand and the partners of the EU. The liberal progressive attitude is the lowly Americans have no idea what they are doing and somehow are threatening the well being of the world with the US' right to bear arms, notwithstanding the fact most of the critics of the Second Amendment have never been in the US, never lived in the US and have no plans to ever visit the US.

Nothing seems to be at fault except the weapons industry and the lack of laws. No fault lies with the medical profession for their confidentiality rules, the entertainment industry for their violent games or Hollywood for their graphic violence in movies.

First and foremost is, nobody seems to think the parents should bear any responsibility for the actions of their offspring who have turned against society and decided to mass murder innocent people. There doesn't appear to be any soul searching on their part trying to figure out where they went wrong and what they might have been able to do to avoid tragedies such as this.

The interview I watched on CNN with the shooter's father was blaming the availability of guns as the sole reason his son went south on humanity.

And this, kind sir, is the general attitude that is voiced on this forum by members of those nations mentioned above. It's all the fault of the gun owners and gun laws.

You might want to rethink what you consider to be vile and odious.

How about the murder of nine innocent young people by a crazed maladjusted individual as a starter?

I might want to consider your statement of "Frankly I found him rather disgusting, but predictable considering where he is originally from" I don't think so! Maybe you should consider retracting such verbal diarrhoe, do you really think the Brits are disgusting?

Oh and now you are playing your 'I have been a member on this forum for thirteen years' card. Perhaps you should know better and conduct yourself accordingly, but I suspect not.

I, for one, think the US needs to take some action to limit gun ownership, however, I fully understand how tiring it is to be lectured by others who have no horse in the race.

I don't often agree with with Chuckd, but you have stated your point quite well and eloquently. I shall take more heed of your wisdom in the future.

chuckd · October 5, 2015

<<snip>>

I might want to consider your statement of "Frankly I found him rather disgusting, but predictable considering where he is originally from" I don't think so! Maybe you should consider retracting such verbal diarrhoe, do you really think the Brits are disgusting?

Oh and now you are playing your 'I have been a member on this forum for thirteen years' card. Perhaps you should know better and conduct yourself accordingly, but I suspect not.

I find the position of most Brits rather disgusting when it comes to the subject of the Second Amendment.

I have worked with many Brits over the years and have even found some of them rather likeable. What continues to confound me is why many Brits feel the compelling need to make a post on something they have never experienced or will ever experience in their lives.

For the sake of argument, please tell me why you felt compelled to make a post on a thread that has very limited, if any, impact on you personally?

My 13 years forum experience has provided me the insight to understand you have every right to post on a thread which has no impact on you, but for the life of me I fail to understand the logic behind doing so.

Could it be I am not the only one with an alleged case of "verbal diarrhoe" (sic)?

With this, I will bid you a fond adieu. You are now set up to have the final word in this scintillating exchange of ideas.

.

Neurath · October 5, 2015

There was a video posted on this thread of an interview with Chris Harper-Mercer's father. Good luck finding a comparable (or any) interview with his mother, who apparently had provided support for her son for many years. His father seemed to have been, from the interview, completely disconnected from his son for some time.

Having said that let me pose this simple question:

How many instances of suicidal mass shootings by females have occurred?

Mr. Stefan Molyneaux has quite a bit to say in a 1/2 hour video about "control" and it isn't about the control of guns:

A transcription of part of Mr. Molyneaux's video starting from about 24:25 (video link is below):

"Parents, parents, parents, parents parents. I literally just can't believe the

things that I have to say on this show.

Let's just run through a little checklist.

Let's say your child is ordering Nazi paraphernalia online and bragging about it.

Think you might have a bit of a problem?

Oh, got one! If your child is spending time in school drawing coffins and skull and creepy disembodied eyeballs and not currently playing Dungeon and Dragons,now (whispered) you might have a bit of a problem.

If your child has a myspace account ... Ok, that's it ... just a myspace account, actually, and has only two people into him - one of whom seems to be whacking off to Johnny Depp porn (whispered) you might have a problem.

If your child expresses deep and sympathetic admiration for a racist murderer

and a strong desire to follow in his bloody footprints, (softly) you might have

a problem.

If your child is obsessed about a documentary on the Sandy Hook shootings,

yeah, (whispered) you might have a problem.

If his best approach to winning a fair lady's heart is to use Nazi language,

in his dating profile name, you might have a problem and, trust me, that

problem will not be an excess of grandchildren.

So, if given all of the above, and other things that I'm sure will come out

over time, if your sweet little boy happens to be amassing likely under your

own roof an arsenal of thirteen lethal weapons, enough ammunition to bring

down half a Goddamned continent and body armor and posting all these pictures

online (loudly) you might have a problem!

Parents, for God's sake, do your job!

We all have to live with people you produce. There are good parents in Arlon

who raised their kids well, who are going to put those children into the

ground because your hell spawn got loose from your control.

You're paying the bills, you're feeding him, you're putting a roof over his

head. If he's out of control, you get the experts in. You get him someplace

where he's got safety and security. You keep him (loudly) off the sidewalk

where other people's children, where my children and your children are

going to be walking.

You take him (loudly) out of society. You've got a rabid dog, you keep that

thing in the basement.

It's your job!"

Or if your child starts talking like Dylan Root, supporting his causes, explaining the decline of America like Dylan and his heroes, posing in front front of the Confederate Flag armed and and so on. Oh yeah, that might be a problem. A big problem. A very big problem.

lostoday · October 5, 2015

Or if your child starts talking like Dylan Root, supporting his causes, explaining the decline of America like Dylan and his heroes, posing in front front of the Confederate Flag armed and and so on. Oh yeah, that might be a problem. A big problem. A very big problem.

About as much chance of that as the shooter joining the KKK.

MaxYakov · October 6, 2015

There was a video posted on this thread of an interview with Chris Harper-Mercer's father. Good luck finding a comparable (or any) interview with his mother, who apparently had provided support for her son for many years. His father seemed to have been, from the interview, completely disconnected from his son for some time.

Having said that let me pose this simple question:

How many instances of suicidal mass shootings by females have occurred?

Mr. Stefan Molyneaux has quite a bit to say in a 1/2 hour video about "control" and it isn't about the control of guns:

A transcription of part of Mr. Molyneaux's video starting from about 24:25 (video link is below):

"Parents, parents, parents, parents parents. I literally just can't believe the

things that I have to say on this show.

Let's just run through a little checklist.

Let's say your child is ordering Nazi paraphernalia online and bragging about it.

Think you might have a bit of a problem?

Oh, got one! If your child is spending time in school drawing coffins and skull and creepy disembodied eyeballs and not currently playing Dungeon and Dragons,now (whispered) you might have a bit of a problem.

If your child has a myspace account ... Ok, that's it ... just a myspace account, actually, and has only two people into him - one of whom seems to be whacking off to Johnny Depp porn (whispered) you might have a problem.

If your child expresses deep and sympathetic admiration for a racist murderer

and a strong desire to follow in his bloody footprints, (softly) you might have

a problem.

If your child is obsessed about a documentary on the Sandy Hook shootings,

yeah, (whispered) you might have a problem.

If his best approach to winning a fair lady's heart is to use Nazi language,

in his dating profile name, you might have a problem and, trust me, that

problem will not be an excess of grandchildren.

So, if given all of the above, and other things that I'm sure will come out

over time, if your sweet little boy happens to be amassing likely under your

own roof an arsenal of thirteen lethal weapons, enough ammunition to bring

down half a Goddamned continent and body armor and posting all these pictures

online (loudly) you might have a problem!

Parents, for God's sake, do your job!

We all have to live with people you produce. There are good parents in Arlon

who raised their kids well, who are going to put those children into the

ground because your hell spawn got loose from your control.

You're paying the bills, you're feeding him, you're putting a roof over his

head. If he's out of control, you get the experts in. You get him someplace

where he's got safety and security. You keep him (loudly) off the sidewalk

where other people's children, where my children and your children are

going to be walking.

You take him (loudly) out of society. You've got a rabid dog, you keep that

thing in the basement.

It's your job!"

<snip>

Well said, Max.

Thanks, but for clarity those words that are italicized as part of a quote were transcribed from a portion of Mr. Stefan Molyneaux's video which can be found in my original post HERE.

In that post I posed this question:

"How many instances of suicidal mass shootings by females have occurred?"

I now have an additional question:

We protect politicians, courts, many government offices, banks, armored cars, etc with guns, yet America tries to protect its children with facilities having unarmed security guards and signs that say "gun-free zone".

Do Americans not care about their children or do they not understand by now that by attempting to protect students and other groups from themselves that they are actually making their children targets of suicidal mass murderers who will obtain firearms either legally or illegally and achieve their sick and evil goals?

Does anyone deluded enough to believe this latest is the final "copycat" mass murder?

Edited October 6, 2015 by MaxYakov

Linky · October 6, 2015

There was a video posted on this thread of an interview with Chris Harper-Mercer's father. Good luck finding a comparable (or any) interview with his mother, who apparently had provided support for her son for many years. His father seemed to have been, from the interview, completely disconnected from his son for some time.

Having said that let me pose this simple question:

How many instances of suicidal mass shootings by females have occurred?

Mr. Stefan Molyneaux has quite a bit to say in a 1/2 hour video about "control" and it isn't about the control of guns:

A transcription of part of Mr. Molyneaux's video starting from about 24:25 (video link is below):

"Parents, parents, parents, parents parents. I literally just can't believe the

things that I have to say on this show.

Let's just run through a little checklist.

Let's say your child is ordering Nazi paraphernalia online and bragging about it.

Think you might have a bit of a problem?

Oh, got one! If your child is spending time in school drawing coffins and skull and creepy disembodied eyeballs and not currently playing Dungeon and Dragons,now (whispered) you might have a bit of a problem.

If your child has a myspace account ... Ok, that's it ... just a myspace account, actually, and has only two people into him - one of whom seems to be whacking off to Johnny Depp porn (whispered) you might have a problem.

If your child expresses deep and sympathetic admiration for a racist murderer

and a strong desire to follow in his bloody footprints, (softly) you might have

a problem.

If your child is obsessed about a documentary on the Sandy Hook shootings,

yeah, (whispered) you might have a problem.

If his best approach to winning a fair lady's heart is to use Nazi language,

in his dating profile name, you might have a problem and, trust me, that

problem will not be an excess of grandchildren.

So, if given all of the above, and other things that I'm sure will come out

over time, if your sweet little boy happens to be amassing likely under your

own roof an arsenal of thirteen lethal weapons, enough ammunition to bring

down half a Goddamned continent and body armor and posting all these pictures

online (loudly) you might have a problem!

Parents, for God's sake, do your job!

We all have to live with people you produce. There are good parents in Arlon

who raised their kids well, who are going to put those children into the

ground because your hell spawn got loose from your control.

You're paying the bills, you're feeding him, you're putting a roof over his

head. If he's out of control, you get the experts in. You get him someplace

where he's got safety and security. You keep him (loudly) off the sidewalk

where other people's children, where my children and your children are

going to be walking.

You take him (loudly) out of society. You've got a rabid dog, you keep that

thing in the basement.

It's your job!"

<snip>

Well said, Max.

Thanks, but for clarity those words that are italicized as part of a quote were transcribed from a portion of Mr. Stefan Molyneaux's video which can be found in my original post HERE.

In that post I posed this question:

"How many instances of suicidal mass shootings by females have occurred?"

I now have an additional question:

We protect politicians, courts, many government offices, banks, armored cars, etc with guns, yet America tries to protect its children with facilities having unarmed security guards and signs that say "gun-free zone".

Do Americans not care about their children or do they not understand by now that by attempting to protect students and other groups from themselves that they are actually making their children targets of suicidal mass murderers who will obtain firearms either legally or illegally and achieve their sick and evil goals?

Does anyone deluded enough to believe this latest is the final "copycat" mass murder?

Definitely wont be the last copycat killing while the US has its head in the sand.

Very sad society when you think children need to be protected by guns.

stevenl · October 6, 2015

Frankly if that's your 'get out of jail card' it hasn't worked.

Hows could you possibly come up with the idiotic assumption that I need a "get out of jail free" card.

Where is your "get a life" card?

Can you enlighten us all as to the meaning of your vile and odious comment of:-
"Frankly I found him rather disgusting, but predictable considering where he is originally from" so are you saying that the British are predictable disgusting because of where we originate from.

Apparently he did not live with his father and his father had no idea of his arsenal of firearms, but its all too easy for people like you to pass the buck. Indeed how did he raise a mass murderer, do you think he fed him raw meat for his chilhood years? I can only reiterate the offenciveness of your post. It all goes to prove the easy availability of guns in the US, but you people will always advocate the right to bear arms.

I will be happy to enlighten you but I doubt you will find it any less offensive than my original response.

I have been a member of this forum going on 13 years so I consider myself well versed in which nationalities are apt to take a particular position on gun control. As you might recall there have been a plethora of such threads in recent years.

The overwhelming attitude towards the Second Amendment is a mixture of ridicule and scorn from many forum members emanating from the nations of England, Australia, New Zealand and the partners of the EU. The liberal progressive attitude is the lowly Americans have no idea what they are doing and somehow are threatening the well being of the world with the US' right to bear arms, notwithstanding the fact most of the critics of the Second Amendment have never been in the US, never lived in the US and have no plans to ever visit the US.

Nothing seems to be at fault except the weapons industry and the lack of laws. No fault lies with the medical profession for their confidentiality rules, the entertainment industry for their violent games or Hollywood for their graphic violence in movies.

First and foremost is, nobody seems to think the parents should bear any responsibility for the actions of their offspring who have turned against society and decided to mass murder innocent people. There doesn't appear to be any soul searching on their part trying to figure out where they went wrong and what they might have been able to do to avoid tragedies such as this.

The interview I watched on CNN with the shooter's father was blaming the availability of guns as the sole reason his son went south on humanity.

And this, kind sir, is the general attitude that is voiced on this forum by members of those nations mentioned above. It's all the fault of the gun owners and gun laws.

You might want to rethink what you consider to be vile and odious.

How about the murder of nine innocent young people by a crazed maladjusted individual as a starter?

Agree with you on one point, many non-americans don't understand the obsession with the right to bear arms. I'd go even further though, and say that many Americans don't understand that obsession either. And I have not seen convincing arguments in favor of that right, only arguments that show a limited point of view.

Regarding your implied point 'know the area and you're allowed to discuss on it', I have been to the US, so following your reasoning am allowed to discuss it. I've even been to Yankee and Confederate areas, so am allowed to discuss on that. Hell, I've even been to Israel, multiple times, so I'm allowed to discuss on that as well, how about you, ever been to Israel?

Edited October 6, 2015 by stevenl

lostoday · October 6, 2015

You are right. I'll enclose a list of a hundred or so attacks on Christians since 9/11 below. Although most of the attacks listed below are in predominantly Muslim countries so I don't think you are correct on the statement about the USA. Actually very few attacks on Christians in the USA.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/christianattacks.htm

What does that have to do with children needing to be protected by guns.

What does this topic have to do with muslims?

Please provide evidence. I have asked before and yet you still cannot.

I didn't say the Oregon attack was by a Muslim. I included a link of Christians being killed recently in terror attacks. Look at the countries that the Christians were attacked in. What is the predominant religion on those countries? Make up your own mind. Why ask me?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/christianattacks.htm

Yes, you did.

No I didn't. Just because 100 other recent murders of Christians were carried out by Muslims does not mean that the one in Oregon was.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/christianattacks.htm

Edited October 6, 2015 by lostoday

stevenl · October 6, 2015

What does that have to do with children needing to be protected by guns.
What does this topic have to do with muslims?

Please provide evidence. I have asked before and yet you still cannot.

I didn't say the Oregon attack was by a Muslim. I included a link of Christians being killed recently in terror attacks. Look at the countries that the Christians were attacked in. What is the predominant religion on those countries? Make up your own mind. Why ask me?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/christianattacks.htm

Yes, you did.

No I didn't. Just because 100 other recent murders of Christians were carried out by Muslims does not mean that the one in Oregon was.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/christianattacks.htm

Your words:

"So in the UK a Muslim guy chops off soldiers heads with a knife and in the US a Muslim guy shoots people."

"The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them."

"He is most certainly a Muslim."

"GotNews.com Confirms: Oregon Shooter is 26-Year Old Muslim"

And many more of those statements from you, where you clearly say he was muslim.

lostoday · October 6, 2015

I didn't say the Oregon attack was by a Muslim. I included a link of Christians being killed recently in terror attacks. Look at the countries that the Christians were attacked in. What is the predominant religion on those countries? Make up your own mind. Why ask me?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/christianattacks.htm

Yes, you did.

No I didn't. Just because 100 other recent murders of Christians were carried out by Muslims does not mean that the one in Oregon was.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/christianattacks.htm

Your words:

"So in the UK a Muslim guy chops off soldiers heads with a knife and in the US a Muslim guy shoots people."

"The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them."

"He is most certainly a Muslim."

"GotNews.com Confirms: Oregon Shooter is 26-Year Old Muslim"

And many more of those statements from you, where you clearly say he was muslim.

I think you will find as the thread progressed and we got more information it became clear that the initial reports of him being a Muslim were premature. I think my posts reflected that change. I believe that when the media gets over it's fear of starting a religious war and releases the information on the shooters flash drive and other information we will all have an idea of where his sympathies lie.

I'm sorry, sure looks like I called him a Muslim. I posted so many other times that I didn't, I forgot.

My error and I apologize.

stevenl · October 6, 2015

No I didn't. Just because 100 other recent murders of Christians were carried out by Muslims does not mean that the one in Oregon was.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/christianattacks.htm

Your words:

"So in the UK a Muslim guy chops off soldiers heads with a knife and in the US a Muslim guy shoots people."

"The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them."

"He is most certainly a Muslim."

"GotNews.com Confirms: Oregon Shooter is 26-Year Old Muslim"

And many more of those statements from you, where you clearly say he was muslim.

I think you will find as the thread progressed and we got more information it became clear that the initial reports of him being a Muslim were premature. I think my posts reflected that change. I believe that when the media gets over it's fear of starting a religious war and releases the information on the shooters flash drive and other information we will all have an idea of where his sympathies lie.

I'm sorry, sure looks like I called him a Muslim. I posted so many other times that I didn't, I forgot.

My error and I apologize.

I don't believe your apologies are sincere, you're only saying this because you got caught lying.

No need to answer this, I know (more than) enough.

lostoday · October 6, 2015

Your words:

"So in the UK a Muslim guy chops off soldiers heads with a knife and in the US a Muslim guy shoots people."

"The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them."

"He is most certainly a Muslim."

"GotNews.com Confirms: Oregon Shooter is 26-Year Old Muslim"

And many more of those statements from you, where you clearly say he was muslim.

I think you will find as the thread progressed and we got more information it became clear that the initial reports of him being a Muslim were premature. I think my posts reflected that change. I believe that when the media gets over it's fear of starting a religious war and releases the information on the shooters flash drive and other information we will all have an idea of where his sympathies lie.

I'm sorry, sure looks like I called him a Muslim. I posted so many other times that I didn't, I forgot.

My error and I apologize.

I don't believe your apologies are sincere, you're only saying this because you got caught lying.

No need to answer this, I know (more than) enough.

I was wrong and I apologized. That is what gentlemen do. When I make a mistake I admit it. I'm not a religious nut. I don't believe in 77 virgins after death or the virgin birth or any saviors or any prophets. I don't trust the Pope or any other religions version of the Pope. I think they are all crazy and to be avoided at all costs and I would prohibit anyone who believes in any religion from owning a gun if I could. Does that explain it for you?

chuckd · October 6, 2015

I will be happy to enlighten you but I doubt you will find it any less offensive than my original response.

I have been a member of this forum going on 13 years so I consider myself well versed in which nationalities are apt to take a particular position on gun control. As you might recall there have been a plethora of such threads in recent years.

The overwhelming attitude towards the Second Amendment is a mixture of ridicule and scorn from many forum members emanating from the nations of England, Australia, New Zealand and the partners of the EU. The liberal progressive attitude is the lowly Americans have no idea what they are doing and somehow are threatening the well being of the world with the US' right to bear arms, notwithstanding the fact most of the critics of the Second Amendment have never been in the US, never lived in the US and have no plans to ever visit the US.

Nothing seems to be at fault except the weapons industry and the lack of laws. No fault lies with the medical profession for their confidentiality rules, the entertainment industry for their violent games or Hollywood for their graphic violence in movies.

First and foremost is, nobody seems to think the parents should bear any responsibility for the actions of their offspring who have turned against society and decided to mass murder innocent people. There doesn't appear to be any soul searching on their part trying to figure out where they went wrong and what they might have been able to do to avoid tragedies such as this.

The interview I watched on CNN with the shooter's father was blaming the availability of guns as the sole reason his son went south on humanity.

And this, kind sir, is the general attitude that is voiced on this forum by members of those nations mentioned above. It's all the fault of the gun owners and gun laws.

You might want to rethink what you consider to be vile and odious.

How about the murder of nine innocent young people by a crazed maladjusted individual as a starter?

Agree with you on one point, many non-americans don't understand the obsession with the right to bear arms. I'd go even further though, and say that many Americans don't understand that obsession either. And I have not seen convincing arguments in favor of that right, only arguments that show a limited point of view.

Regarding your implied point 'know the area and you're allowed to discuss on it', I have been to the US, so following your reasoning am allowed to discuss it. I've even been to Yankee and Confederate areas, so am allowed to discuss on that. Hell, I've even been to Israel, multiple times, so I'm allowed to discuss on that as well, ever been to Israel?

Yep. I've been all over.

If you wish, you might want to check my posts and see how many I have made in the many threads on the forum dealing with Scotland's break with the UK and the UK break with the EU.

I used to visit Scotland for golf vacations and drove from London to Scotland many times. Do those trips qualify me for an in-depth conversation about the secession matters?

I think not, so I choose to keep my mouth shut when it comes to matters that I have little knowledge of or personal concern about.

That little piece of advice might cover a multitude of posts and posters that somehow believe a brief visit to the US qualifies them as an expert on life in the US.

One thing that is being tragically overlooked in all this discussion on the school shootings and mass murders is this simple fact...

This really isn't a gun control issue. It is a mental health issue.

stevenl · October 6, 2015

I will be happy to enlighten you but I doubt you will find it any less offensive than my original response.

I have been a member of this forum going on 13 years so I consider myself well versed in which nationalities are apt to take a particular position on gun control. As you might recall there have been a plethora of such threads in recent years.

The overwhelming attitude towards the Second Amendment is a mixture of ridicule and scorn from many forum members emanating from the nations of England, Australia, New Zealand and the partners of the EU. The liberal progressive attitude is the lowly Americans have no idea what they are doing and somehow are threatening the well being of the world with the US' right to bear arms, notwithstanding the fact most of the critics of the Second Amendment have never been in the US, never lived in the US and have no plans to ever visit the US.

Nothing seems to be at fault except the weapons industry and the lack of laws. No fault lies with the medical profession for their confidentiality rules, the entertainment industry for their violent games or Hollywood for their graphic violence in movies.

First and foremost is, nobody seems to think the parents should bear any responsibility for the actions of their offspring who have turned against society and decided to mass murder innocent people. There doesn't appear to be any soul searching on their part trying to figure out where they went wrong and what they might have been able to do to avoid tragedies such as this.

The interview I watched on CNN with the shooter's father was blaming the availability of guns as the sole reason his son went south on humanity.

And this, kind sir, is the general attitude that is voiced on this forum by members of those nations mentioned above. It's all the fault of the gun owners and gun laws.

You might want to rethink what you consider to be vile and odious.

How about the murder of nine innocent young people by a crazed maladjusted individual as a starter?

Agree with you on one point, many non-americans don't understand the obsession with the right to bear arms. I'd go even further though, and say that many Americans don't understand that obsession either. And I have not seen convincing arguments in favor of that right, only arguments that show a limited point of view.

Regarding your implied point 'know the area and you're allowed to discuss on it', I have been to the US, so following your reasoning am allowed to discuss it. I've even been to Yankee and Confederate areas, so am allowed to discuss on that. Hell, I've even been to Israel, multiple times, so I'm allowed to discuss on that as well, ever been to Israel?

Yep. I've been all over.

If you wish, you might want to check my posts and see how many I have made in the many threads on the forum dealing with Scotland's break with the UK and the UK break with the EU.

I used to visit Scotland for golf vacations and drove from London to Scotland many times. Do those trips qualify me for an in-depth conversation about the secession matters?

I think not, so I choose to keep my mouth shut when it comes to matters that I have little knowledge of or personal concern about.

That little piece of advice might cover a multitude of posts and posters that somehow believe a brief visit to the US qualifies them as an expert on life in the US.

One thing that is being tragically overlooked in all this discussion on the school shootings and mass murders is this simple fact...

This really isn't a gun control issue. It is a mental health issue.

Don't confuse your opinions with facts. And don't forget that the main difference between other countries and the US is the right to bear arms. Medical profession regulations, video games and hollywood movies are in the bigger picture the same worldwide. Gun laws and gun violence are not.

Edited October 6, 2015 by stevenl

lostoday · October 6, 2015

I will be happy to enlighten you but I doubt you will find it any less offensive than my original response.

I have been a member of this forum going on 13 years so I consider myself well versed in which nationalities are apt to take a particular position on gun control. As you might recall there have been a plethora of such threads in recent years.

The overwhelming attitude towards the Second Amendment is a mixture of ridicule and scorn from many forum members emanating from the nations of England, Australia, New Zealand and the partners of the EU. The liberal progressive attitude is the lowly Americans have no idea what they are doing and somehow are threatening the well being of the world with the US' right to bear arms, notwithstanding the fact most of the critics of the Second Amendment have never been in the US, never lived in the US and have no plans to ever visit the US.

Nothing seems to be at fault except the weapons industry and the lack of laws. No fault lies with the medical profession for their confidentiality rules, the entertainment industry for their violent games or Hollywood for their graphic violence in movies.

First and foremost is, nobody seems to think the parents should bear any responsibility for the actions of their offspring who have turned against society and decided to mass murder innocent people. There doesn't appear to be any soul searching on their part trying to figure out where they went wrong and what they might have been able to do to avoid tragedies such as this.

The interview I watched on CNN with the shooter's father was blaming the availability of guns as the sole reason his son went south on humanity.

And this, kind sir, is the general attitude that is voiced on this forum by members of those nations mentioned above. It's all the fault of the gun owners and gun laws.

You might want to rethink what you consider to be vile and odious.

How about the murder of nine innocent young people by a crazed maladjusted individual as a starter?

Agree with you on one point, many non-americans don't understand the obsession with the right to bear arms. I'd go even further though, and say that many Americans don't understand that obsession either. And I have not seen convincing arguments in favor of that right, only arguments that show a limited point of view.

Regarding your implied point 'know the area and you're allowed to discuss on it', I have been to the US, so following your reasoning am allowed to discuss it. I've even been to Yankee and Confederate areas, so am allowed to discuss on that. Hell, I've even been to Israel, multiple times, so I'm allowed to discuss on that as well, ever been to Israel?

Yep. I've been all over.

If you wish, you might want to check my posts and see how many I have made in the many threads on the forum dealing with Scotland's break with the UK and the UK break with the EU.

I used to visit Scotland for golf vacations and drove from London to Scotland many times. Do those trips qualify me for an in-depth conversation about the secession matters?

I think not, so I choose to keep my mouth shut when it comes to matters that I have little knowledge of or personal concern about.

That little piece of advice might cover a multitude of posts and posters that somehow believe a brief visit to the US qualifies them as an expert on life in the US.

One thing that is being tragically overlooked in all this discussion on the school shootings and mass murders is this simple fact...

This really isn't a gun control issue. It is a mental health issue.

Don't confuse your opinions with facts. And don't forget that the main difference between other countries and the US is the right to bear arms. Medical profession regulations, video games and hollywood movies are in the bigger picture the same worldwide. Gun laws and gun violence are not.

Do you think that gun control vs hate crime/mental health issue opinions follow any patterns? Citizens vs non citizens for example?

I'd stop providing guns to countries in the Middle East and Asia. No sweat of my nose and I think it's a good idea. Turn all your weapons in or we Nuke you. Let them go back to swords. Lets face it the people killed in the MIddle East and Asia dwarf any gun deaths in America.

I'd send all the migrants in the world to Australia. They only use 10% of the land and they have the room. No problem for me.

planemad · October 6, 2015

Tennessee, Boy of 11 shoots dead 8 year old girl because she would not let him play with her puppy.

How is a child of 11 allowed access to his fathers shotgun, was it loaded or did the boy manage to load it himself?

And so the madness, mayhem and murder continues, so sad!

Stocky · October 6, 2015

It's the parents and Obama's fault, the 8 year old girl should have had a gun.

NanLaew · October 6, 2015

Tennessee, Boy of 11 shoots dead 8 year old girl because she would not let him play with her puppy.

How is a child of 11 allowed access to his fathers shotgun, was it loaded or did the boy manage to load it himself?

And so the madness, mayhem and murder continues, so sad!

Because the victim and the shooter were neighbors in a trailer park.

planemad · October 6, 2015

Oh, that's OK then, you can shoot your neighbors if you live in a trailer park!

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