she is a bar girl, admit it and cover your ass you idiot.

[williamgeorgeallen]

i have a bargirl who is a bit older. we had a son and after a DNA test i agreed to support her

Wow, You sound like a great catch

If a whore told you she was pregnant by you, would you not also insist on it?

Or would you become the type that the OP talks about...?

excellent point. I know guys who are raising kids and they have a question in the back of their mind if it is really their kid. DNA tests are just another way to cover your ass.

[williamgeorgeallen]

I dont claim to be an expert on bargirls but i must say the DNA thing intrigues me.

Id assume most are not known for their mild temper and patience, so im astounded she didnt throw you off the building when you asked for a DNA test.

For a Thai lassie thats showing some huge restraint right there.

Congrats, you most certainly have found a keeper OP!!

we were only seeing each other casually when she got pregnant. she asked me to pay for the hospital which I agreed to as soon as we got a DNA test done. good incentive. also I started supporting her as soon as we got the test results. took 4 months and true to my word I repaid her hospital bill and gave her financial support, backdated 4 months. my kids are great and I am lucky the mum is so devoted but from what I have seen thai woman are great mums. this is not true in all cases however, especially the younger girls who sometimes prefer to run back to the bar or back to the thai boyfriend that is another topic I guess.

[williamgeorgeallen]

I was going to add something to the discussion but just realised its time to stick hot needles in my eyes.

well it looks like you did add something but it was pointless. odd thing to do. I understand a lot of this is old content. read the title and move on if you are not interested.

[williamgeorgeallen]

There is nothing worse than getting advise from a fool.

not sure what you mean by this post. you are referring to me as the fool? I have made several mistakes in Thailand but loosing property to an ex is not one of them. many people have been fooled this way and I guess that makes them fools but for sure you can learn something from them. in many cases you can learn more from mistakes than you can from successes.

[eldragon]

Ah well..

Just when you thought you heard it all before....well there it is again.

if it has all been said before why is no one listening. some of the guys i know read this forum and are still allowing themselves to be screwed over. i am in no way blaming the working girls, it is just a job for them it is us westerners who are screwing up.

Love your post, bro. This message cannot be spread enough around here. But I disagree with your statement that what these girls do to men qualifies as a job. I wouldn't even say all of em set out to take guys, or would necessarily admit it to themselves. But then again, how many of us tell ourselves "I'm gonna make this girl think I love her just so I can get in her pants"?

thanks for the positive words. I was hoping to have some positive discussion on this topic but it has not really worked out that well. I agree some girls don't set out to rip their westerners off but he lies the problem many do, or end up wanting to when things go sour. my point is your better assuming that they are after your family jewels and keep them safe. another great thing in Thailand is the girls can take half your assets unless you legally register a marriage. awesome, you can live together for years and still keep your own stuff which gets back to my original post. I would like to take my kids back to new Zealand but am worried my kids mum will take me for my assets. I am trying to work something with a lawyer but it seems even putiing my properties in a trust may not work.

seems to be a lot of anger on this forum. I am just sharing my observations, maybe in the hope it may help some people. I wonder if people are getting angry because they have been through the meat grinder making these mistakes which in hind sight were pretty obvious. some of my friends have lost houses but they still swear their exes were not bar girls. I don't see what difference it makes what job she did, they got conned out of house, so maybe they are not a bargirl, maybe they were a conman/woman. I like bargirls a lot more than conmen.

I don't really get why people think I am on here lying about what I have seen or done. why would I lie to a bunch of people I don't know or will never meet. I don't get this whole troll thing either.

Some are just negative or enjoy taking the piss out of others. Kinda comes with the territory when you're using forums. Others just get bored of the same topics. In their defense, it seems like there's some confusion about why you'd strongly warn others against a relationship with a bar girl whilst being involved with one. At any rate, I think it is wise to determine where a girl comes from b/c- despite her current intentions, whatever they might be- instincts usually come back hard during times of crisis.

[williamgeorgeallen]

OP, you seem to know a lot about Thai ladies that in your opinion is 'dodgy', yet you chose to dabble there...

let me be clear, I know very little about thais in general. almost 10 years and I am still having trouble understanding how they think. bargirls are not dodgy, they are prostitutes doing their job. its fairly straight forward and I think they are the best. problem is western men trying to fool themselves and paying for it.

[luk AJ]

OP, You must be a young guy...I learned a long time ago that giving advice is seldom followed. I am sure your post was sincere but exposing your mistakes on TV is not really a wise thing to do.

[williamgeorgeallen]

OP, You must be a young guy...I learned a long time ago that giving advice is seldom followed. I am sure your post was sincere but exposing your mistakes on TV is not really a wise thing to do.

is 41 young? still feels it I guess. exposing my mistakes?

[Ban Merry]

Am with the OP, everyone new to Thailand needs a warning. The lonely hearts won't change and never will, just stay well clear of them when having a drink with a BG. Can get really depressing listening to their sad old same stories. Anyway just enjoy the Bar Girls for what they are and don't fall in love and spend stupid amounts of money on crap.

Don't buy a BG a drink and see who is left sitting next to you in the bar. If a girl is still sitting next to you, then buy her a new phone. You'll catch on soon enough.

[luk AJ]

OP, You must be a young guy...I learned a long time ago that giving advice is seldom followed. I am sure your post was sincere but exposing your mistakes on TV is not really a wise thing to do.

is 41 young? still feels it I guess. exposing my mistakes?

You see, nobody likes advice...even you 555

[NickJ]

I guess you reach the Blue in the Face Stage and just start shaking yout head and laughing under your breath a lot more the longer your here.........Nothing you can say , write or do will ever make much diffrence.

[fang37]

I suggest that it is time to make an appointment with the talented "Madam Lash".

[williamgeorgeallen]

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seems to be a lot of anger on this forum. I am just sharing my observations, maybe in the hope it may help some people. I wonder if people are getting angry because they have been through the meat grinder making these mistakes which in hind sight were pretty obvious. some of my friends have lost houses but they still swear their exes were not bar girls. I don't see what difference it makes what job she did, they got conned out of house, so maybe they are not a bargirl, maybe they were a conman/woman. I like bargirls a lot more than conmen.

I don't really get why people think I am on here lying about what I have seen or done. why would I lie to a bunch of people I don't know or will never meet. I don't get this whole troll thing either.

Some are just negative or enjoy taking the piss out of others. Kinda comes with the territory when you're using forums. Others just get bored of the same topics. In their defense, it seems like there's some confusion about why you'd strongly warn others against a relationship with a bar girl whilst being involved with one. At any rate, I think it is wise to determine where a girl comes from b/c- despite her current intentions, whatever they might be- instincts usually come back hard during times of crisis.

am a bit surprised by some of the responses to my post. I am not warning anyone against a relationship with a bargirl. bargirls are the best, far more fun than 'the nice thai girls' I have met in Thailand. it should be far safer to have a thai partner than a western one as they can not take your assests unless you marry them (or are stupid enough to put them in their names). I was married in australia and lucky to get out of that without loosing my assets. I am saying that guys need to assume they will be ripped off at some point and so try to minimalize the fallout. thailand is paradise for western men as long as you take some precautions.

[fang37]

williamgeaogeallen

I am but a man with small $$$.

I invest in "good girls" only - tertiary educated.

I limit my "donations" to 2nd hand motor vehicles (full registration & roadworthy certificate included).

[williamgeorgeallen]

williamgeaogeallen

I am but a man with small $$$.

I invest in "good girls" only - tertiary educated.

I limit my "donations" to 2nd hand motor vehicles (full registration & roadworthy certificate included).

seems reasonable and sounds like you are covering your ass. I have mixed with some non bar thai girls and it is not much fun but each to their own.

[williamgeorgeallen]

OP, You must be a young guy...I learned a long time ago that giving advice is seldom followed. I am sure your post was sincere but exposing your mistakes on TV is not really a wise thing to do.

is 41 young? still feels it I guess. exposing my mistakes?

You see, nobody likes advice...even you 555

I am always open to advice. I am only half way through my life and still have a lot to learn. everyone should put their mistakes on here to help others from making the same mistakes. I admit I screwed up on my condos. I should have seen how many were being build, will be a kick start for my kids when they get older if nothing else.

[williamgeorgeallen]

man its a good thing it is low season. I have spent the whole day on this forum. almost as good as facebook.

[MaeJoMTB]

williamgeaogeallen

I am but a man with small $$$.

I invest in "good girls" only - tertiary educated.

I limit my "donations" to 2nd hand motor vehicles (full registration & roadworthy certificate included).

Are you sure yours didn't try to cash in on your life insurance with that hit and run accident you had recently?

[AlexRRR]

this has really gone off topic. was supposed to be about my observations on western ment not taking precautions financially when dating in thailand.

Let it ride you met the glass half empty lot, there only out replying for there own amusement.

Im with you on the dopes that do what they do...and were not all perfect but gees how gullible can someone be? The answer is lot of these dopes are emotionally immature and weather thats temporary due to previous issues with the fairer sex or its permanent due to a small IQ no one really knows, if you read TV then your worded up if you spend your money unwisely you deserve to lose it.

[BaldPlumber]

Nothing wrong with the OP`s post. He at least is honest enough to admit to having children with a bar girl and was sensible enough to make sure the first one was his before agreeing to have a second. I'm not convinced other TV members with their HiSo Thai wives are being so honest with themselves.

Edited October 7, 2015 by BaldPlumber

[AlexRRR]

williamgeaogeallen

I am but a man with small $$$.

I invest in "good girls" only - tertiary educated.

I limit my "donations" to 2nd hand motor vehicles (full registration & roadworthy certificate included).

seems reasonable and sounds like you are covering your ass. I have mixed with some non bar thai girls and it is not much fun but each to their own.

Haha im with the guy above but i dont buy them a car even second hand....One ex TGF and an accountant replied when i said i might buy a condo in jomtien (she lives in BKK) and you can come down weekends and i will come up mid week for a few days, she says "i will need a car, will you buy me one?" i said no but i will give you the deposit for one, she quickly replied "no i will pay interest on the loan" conversation ended.

Another former and ex accountant GF wanted to stay on in AU i offered to pay half of her fees for her masters degree meanwhile she was living free with me....refused me point blank saying i should pay it all....she was encouraged to move on a short time after that.

[fang37]

May I suggest a bus fare - no VIP brand.

[dutchisaan]

i have a bargirl who is a bit older. we had a son and after a DNA test i agreed to support her

Wow, You sound like a great catch

I am not going to say she is different but she is an extremely devoted mum and raises my 2 kids for a very fair salary. I would very like much like for you to meet her. are you in pattaya?

So you have a hired help to rais your kids?

No wonder you like bar girls.

[JoopJoop]

So you wish to return to "Wooly Sheep Land" but you're rightfully worried that your bargirl will clean you out?

Unbelievable man.

Since you've had one failed relationship and chose a life with whores, would I be right in saying that perhaps you didn't have the goods to make it with a good girl in the first place?

I respect your honestly but jeez man, you've really restricted yourself now.

Think about it; you go back to NZ or Oz and every lad will soon work out your girl is a former hooker. You can dress em up as lamb but...

Worse still, your kid will be picked on when the truth comes out.

I truly don't think you met any real good girl with personality, charm, independence and the looks to boot.....coz you don't have it either. Hence, the life in Sin City. Would this be a fairly true hypothesis?

I'm truly amazed you want to bring your former bg back to the home country other than a better education for the child. There's plenty of lads partnered with the good Thai girl back in their respective countries educating their children knowing its rock solid because of similar goals and aspirations.

Would it not be smarter to keep the girl and kid here so they can associate with their own?

May I ask, how much do you pay your former (or ongoing) hooker?

Edited October 7, 2015 by JoopJoop

[Cypress Hill]

OP, you seem to know a lot about Thai ladies that in your opinion is 'dodgy', yet you chose to dabble there...

let me be clear, I know very little about thais in general. almost 10 years and I am still having trouble understanding how they think. bargirls are not dodgy, they are prostitutes doing their job. its fairly straight forward and I think they are the best. problem is western men trying to fool themselves and paying for it.

While I certainly wouldn't emulate your life choices, at least you accept what your GF is.

Some of the guys berating you actually pay their wives a SALARY to stay with them yet have the gall to insist they're not and never have been prostitutes.

To the last of them, they all know that if the monthly payments stopped, their wives' thighs would slam shut and they'd be given a grace period to start them up again or be unceremoniously dumped

Your situation isn't ideal but you appear to be making it work so fair play to you and good luck

[williamgeorgeallen]

williamgeaogeallen

I am but a man with small $$$.

I invest in "good girls" only - tertiary educated.

I limit my "donations" to 2nd hand motor vehicles (full registration & roadworthy certificate included).

Are you sure yours didn't try to cash in on your life insurance with that hit and run accident you had recently?

no idea what this comment was regarding.

[williamgeorgeallen]

OP, you seem to know a lot about Thai ladies that in your opinion is 'dodgy', yet you chose to dabble there...

let me be clear, I know very little about thais in general. almost 10 years and I am still having trouble understanding how they think. bargirls are not dodgy, they are prostitutes doing their job. its fairly straight forward and I think they are the best. problem is western men trying to fool themselves and paying for it.

While I certainly wouldn't emulate your life choices, at least you accept what your GF is.

Some of the guys berating you actually pay their wives a SALARY to stay with them yet have the gall to insist they're not and never have been prostitutes.

To the last of them, they all know that if the monthly payments stopped, their wives' thighs would slam shut and they'd be given a grace period to start them up again or be unceremoniously dumped

Your situation isn't ideal but you appear to be making it work so fair play to you and good luck

exactly my point. if you are paying your girl to stay with you then she is basically a bar girl. infact this would be a fair way to determine if she is a bar girl or not.

wish some of the haters on here could come and meet my kids and their mum to stop some of the stupid comments being posted on here. after just a few lines explaining my life people have completly judged my situation while knowing very little about it.

[MaeJoMTB]

williamgeaogeallen

I am but a man with small $$$.

I invest in "good girls" only - tertiary educated.

I limit my "donations" to 2nd hand motor vehicles (full registration & roadworthy certificate included).

Are you sure yours didn't try to cash in on your life insurance with that hit and run accident you had recently?

no idea what this comment was regarding.

Mr. Fang has previously revealed to us,

He recently moved from CM to Fang with his much younger wife to live with her relatives.

Where he was promptly run over by a pickup truck, narrowly escaping death, and is now in a wheelchair.

You have to read posts in many threads to get the full stories of posters on this forum.

They like to eak out the information a bit at a time.

I have the greatest sympathy for Mr. Fang as my previous gf had her husband removed from this world in a hit and run.

It's quite a common way to remove an unwanted spouse, Thai police never investigate, hit and runs, balcony falls or slippings in the shower.

Edited October 7, 2015 by MaeJoMTB

[MaeJoMTB]

if you are paying your girl to stay with you then she is basically a bar girl. infact this would be a fair way to determine if she is a bar girl or not.

By that reasoning, my former wife in the UK (for 30 years) must have been a bargirl.

As she didn't earn any money herself, and had a gold card backed by me, to pay for anything she liked.

And my current wife too,

As I paid for everything while she went through high school, and now I'm paying for everything while she attends University.

Guess I'm just unlucky.

Edited October 7, 2015 by MaeJoMTB

[MaeJoMTB]

OP, you seem to know a lot about Thai ladies that in your opinion is 'dodgy', yet you chose to dabble there...

let me be clear, I know very little about thais in general. almost 10 years and I am still having trouble understanding how they think. bargirls are not dodgy, they are prostitutes doing their job. its fairly straight forward and I think they are the best. problem is western men trying to fool themselves and paying for it.

Bar girls are definitely 'dodgy'.

The prostitution is just the tip of the iceberg, they are usually associated with drug taking, drug dealing, gang membership, protection rackets, violence and gambling.

Did I mention the lying, cheating, stealing and alcoholism?

Edited October 7, 2015 by MaeJoMTB