Court procedure an option if Yingluck refuses to pay compensation: Wissanu

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RICE-PLEDGING SCHEME
Court procedure an option if Yingluck refuses to pay compensation: Wissanu
The Nation



BANGKOK: -- If former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra refuses to pay compensation for the damage caused by her administration's rice-pledging scheme, the government can resort to court action to enforce the PM's administrative order, Deputy Prime Minister Wissanu Krea-ngam said yesterday.

The government is in the process of issuing the PM's administrative order to make Yingluck pay compensation for losses from her government's rice subsidy programme. The amount will be decided by the committee on civil liability led by the head of the Comptroller-General's Department.

Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha had said he would not exercise his special power under Article 44 to seize assets related the controversial rice subsidy programme but he would let the courts decide the matter instead.

Wissanu said if Yingluck refused to pay compensation as ordered by the PM and did not take the matter to the Administrative Court to revoke the administrative order, the government could take the legal option to make her pay the compensation.

"We can enforce the order through court procedures. The PM's administrative order has the same status as a court ruling. The order can be enforced after a grace period before asset confiscation can be carried out,'' he said.

Wissanu said issuing an administrative order in a civil case against Yingluck was not unprecedented, as more than 300 administrative orders had already been issued.

When asked why the government wanted to make the Yingluck administration pay compensation for losses from her government project and not other governments, Wissanu said because the National Anti-Corruption Commission had ruled that law offenders (in the rice-pledging scheme) must be impeached and criminal and civil action taken.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Court-procedure-an-option-if-Yingluck-refuses-to-p-30270506.html


-- The Nation 2015-10-09

[smedly]

of course she is going to hang around to pay up like her brother lol

[oneday]

When asked why the government wanted to make the Yingluck administration pay compensation for losses from her government project and not other governments, Wissanu said because the National Anti-Corruption Commission had ruled that law offenders (in the rice-pledging scheme) must be impeached and criminal and civil action taken.

It's unbelievable that people like this are in charge of this country. His answer completely side-stepped a very valid question and The Nation's reporter did not do his job. He did not push for a real answer.

The real answer is because they (The NCPO) can force her to pay...because they have the guns and because of their color.

[Fat Haggis]

isn't he forgetting that she's still to be been found guilty, well technically that's true via the courts, but it's as obvious to anyone that she'd already been deemed guilty by the Junta, impartial trials ? hardly.

The abuse of power is strong in this one!

[jayboy]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

[Freed1948]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

You of course have indisputable evidence to back-up your first sentence????

[Baerboxer]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

You of course have indisputable evidence to back-up your first sentence????

Freed - you dare to challenge the statement of a self confessed non Shin supporter whose always fair and balanced?

Of course he hasn't got time to provide evidence, look for yourself 555.

[jayboy]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

You of course have indisputable evidence to back-up your first sentence????

Yes though there are always fools and dupes who will dispute any negative aspects of the coup.

http://globalriskinsights.com/2015/02/thailand-coup-is-not-what-the-generals-had-hoped-for/

Edited October 9, 2015 by jayboy

[Bob12345]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

You of course have indisputable evidence to back-up your first sentence????

Do you seriously doubt that the coup lowered tourist arrivals?

Or do you believe TAT that the coup was viewed as sort of a Disney attraction and tourist arrivals increased because of it?

[Thai at Heart]

They are going to issue an administrative order to force payment before the case is heard?? What type of legal system is that?

So a PM can just issue a penalty notice at his whim? What an absolute farce, and an incredibly dangerous precedent to set that is. He'd better get his wonga offshore because if he does that, undoubtedly there will be massive retribution when time comes....

Edited October 9, 2015 by Thai at Heart

[Bender]

That's completely insane, this guy is a total bonker!

Uncle Too remember me Mouammar Kadhafi,

except he is a weak muppet controlled by people like suthep,

him and his yellow terrorists will certainly know the same faith...

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

You of course have indisputable evidence to back-up your first sentence????

Do you seriously doubt that the coup lowered tourist arrivals?

Or do you believe TAT that the coup was viewed as sort of a Disney attraction and tourist arrivals increased because of it?

Do you think the Red shrts, (sponsored by Taksin) blowing up children with RPG's helped to increase tourist numbers?

[seajae]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

You of course have indisputable evidence to back-up your first sentence????

Do you seriously doubt that the coup lowered tourist arrivals?

Or do you believe TAT that the coup was viewed as sort of a Disney attraction and tourist arrivals increased because of it?

thing is most tourists said they actually felt safer after the coup because the reds werent killing everyone or blowing them up, seems it was the ptp's terror organization that was screwign with the tourism till the coup stopped them

[elgordo38]

isn't he forgetting that she's still to be been found guilty, well technically that's true via the courts, but it's as obvious to anyone that she'd already been deemed guilty by the Junta, impartial trials ? hardly.

The abuse of power is strong in this one!

I think we all know the answer to the question "she still has to be found guilty" Run baby run your a sitting duck waiting to get plucked.

[mikemac]

isn't he forgetting that she's still to be been found guilty, well technically that's true via the courts, but it's as obvious to anyone that she'd already been deemed guilty by the Junta, impartial trials ? hardly.

The abuse of power is strong in this one!

I think we all know the answer to the question "she still has to be found guilty" Run baby run your a sitting duck waiting to get plucked.

I think the whole idea was to make things so "uncomfortable" for her that she did the same as her cowardly brother and run away into "self imposed exile" ( ) but I don't think she will run. Her brother is probably telling her to stay and become a martyr for the cause.

And I think she was "plucked" the minute she was duped into becoming the PM of Thailand.

[EnglishJohn]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

Well, lowering myself to your nonsense logic, Yingluck is also responsible for the coup because of the UDD terrorists her government sent to murder protesters and also instructing the police to allow them free and easy access to do it.

So add your 'billions' to her bill.

"the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered)"

Of 600 billion spent, only 100 billion made it to the farmers. Poorly administered indeed ! .

Do you not know this fact, or do you know it and choose to ignore it ?. Never mind : keep your fingers in your ears and your head in the sand.

[Thai at Heart]

isn't he forgetting that she's still to be been found guilty, well technically that's true via the courts, but it's as obvious to anyone that she'd already been deemed guilty by the Junta, impartial trials ? hardly.

The abuse of power is strong in this one!

I think we all know the answer to the question "she still has to be found guilty" Run baby run your a sitting duck waiting to get plucked.

The ridiculous irony is that this numpty has been prattling on about the fact that everyone has to abide by the course of the law.

I mean if pm can just write a fine, why does anyone need a court for anything?

Once again this suggests to me they reckon they think they haven't got much chance of hanging 500bn on her....

Edited October 9, 2015 by Thai at Heart

[jayboy]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

Well, lowering myself to your nonsense logic, Yingluck is also responsible for the coup because of the UDD terrorists her government sent to murder protesters and also instructing the police to allow them free and easy access to do it.

So add your 'billions' to her bill.

"the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered)"

Of 600 billion spent, only 100 billion made it to the farmers. Poorly administered indeed ! .

Do you not know this fact, or do you know it and choose to ignore it ?. Never mind : keep your fingers in your ears and your head in the sand.

Don't really follow your thought processes here.I would have thought you might have agreed with my comments on the shortcomings of the rice price support policy.

Frankly and without wishing to be unkind or impolite, it would probably be more productive for you to engage with someone closer to your level.There are plenty of people happy to have a bit of knock with half thoiught out platitudes (on both sides of the fence) but I'm not one of them.

[candide]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

You of course have indisputable evidence to back-up your first sentence????

I can help to satisfy your curiosity J

If we look at the gdp growth rate for 2014, it's 0.7%

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/02/16/thai-q4-gdp-growth-disappoints-full-year-2014-pace-07-percent.html

compared to an intial forecast of 4.0 to 5.2%, made at the end of 2013 by different institutions (BOT, IMF etc… see factsheet), it’s a loss of 3.3 to 4.5% of gdp (depending on with which forecast you compare). So for a GDP of around USD 400 b, it’s a loss between USD 13.2b and 18b, so between THB 422 and 576 b at THB 32/USD)

http://www.mfa.go.th/business/contents/files/eco-factsheet-20131220-100445-235435.pdf

Of course some of you will try sell us again the fairytale of a neutral junta with no links with the pdrc and the dems......

[Thai at Heart]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/10/thailands-economy

An empirical analysis of the impact of coups on other national economies shows that growth slows, on average, by 2.1 percentage points in the year of a coup, 1.3 and 0.2 in the first and second year after the coup. But in Thailand the idea that the recent coup might not be good for the economy simply does not arise.

And the killer quote...

Compared with trend economic growth the cost will be perhaps $20 billion to $30 billion from 2014 to 2016,

Edited October 9, 2015 by Thai at Heart

[halloween]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

Why does an expensive failure of a vote-buying scam give a government legitimacy? Before you compare the rice scam to subsidies in the US and japan, you might like to consider their size (and efficacy) compared to those countries GDPs, the number of voters nominally affected (nominally because most of those who thought they might receive benefit did not), and whether those subsidies have a large effect on electoral results.

Thaksin's scam, repeated by Yingluk, was a vote buy with taxpayers' money, not only predicted to fail but proven in its previous run. Do you believe that election promise policies should be able to squander the public purse simply so that the party can get elected?

[MaeJoMTB]

Come the revolution, there are some guys that will need ropes round their necks, and all their family assets seized.

[MaeJoMTB]

Thaksin's scam, repeated by Yingluk, was a vote buy with taxpayers' money, not only predicted to fail but proven in its previous run. Do you believe that election promise policies should be able to squander the public purse simply so that the party can get elected?

Vs

Prayuts scams, Chinese submarines, palm oil subsidy/purchase, rubber subsidy/purchase (and those only in the last month).

And let's face it, at the moment it's rule by decree so no chance of laying the blame on anyone else.

I suppose you could argue he didn't make any election promises ...... because there wasn't an election.

[Bob12345]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

You of course have indisputable evidence to back-up your first sentence????

Do you seriously doubt that the coup lowered tourist arrivals?

Or do you believe TAT that the coup was viewed as sort of a Disney attraction and tourist arrivals increased because of it?

Do you think the Red shrts, (sponsored by Taksin) blowing up children with RPG's helped to increase tourist numbers?

Oh sorry, for me "the coup" is the whole process starting with street protests till the actual coup.

I guess for you "the coup" took place in a day, or maybe even a couple of minutes when the announcement was made. In that case the coup did not have negative effects and indeed probably even positive effects as it took away uncertainty and violence. But that view would be kind of naive as it assumes Suthep and the general were not helping each other.

[smutcakes]

of course she is going to hang around to pay up like her brother lol

yes because she has the ability to pay 500 billion....something they well know. I dare say most of the army have more cash than her.

[jayboy]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

Why does an expensive failure of a vote-buying scam give a government legitimacy? Before you compare the rice scam to subsidies in the US and japan, you might like to consider their size (and efficacy) compared to those countries GDPs, the number of voters nominally affected (nominally because most of those who thought they might receive benefit did not), and whether those subsidies have a large effect on electoral results.

Thaksin's scam, repeated by Yingluk, was a vote buy with taxpayers' money, not only predicted to fail but proven in its previous run. Do you believe that election promise policies should be able to squander the public purse simply so that the party can get elected?

In all democracies elections tend to be won by governments that promote policies designed to improve the prosperity and happiness of the electorate.

[LannaGuy]

so sad that they stoop to this but not unexpected

[welshissan]

There is plenty of evidence that the military coup has inflicted billions of dollars damage on the country.Is it possible that those responsible and those backing them can be called to account, possibly through confiscation of assets and financial compensation?

As to the Yingluck issue, the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered) has legitimacy given the government was democratically elected.Similar schemes operate elsewhere notably in the US and Japan.I don't see why Yingluck should be responsible personally.If she was involved in corruption (no evidence at all) or even colluded in others' corruption (evidence needed), that is a different matter and she should be made accountable.

The judicial waters are however muddied as other members have pointed out, and nobody seriously contends the whole process is not politically motivated.

Well, lowering myself to your nonsense logic, Yingluck is also responsible for the coup because of the UDD terrorists her government sent to murder protesters and also instructing the police to allow them free and easy access to do it.

So add your 'billions' to her bill.

"the rice price support policy (misconceived and poorly administered)"

Of 600 billion spent, only 100 billion made it to the farmers. Poorly administered indeed ! .

Do you not know this fact, or do you know it and choose to ignore it ?. Never mind : keep your fingers in your ears and your head in the sand.

You can't lower yourself anymore than you already do in every thread that you contribute too!

As some of your beloved yellow friends keep saying " show us the evidence of Yinluck ORDERING the murder of innocent women and children "

One thing that I agree with you is " total mis management of rice scheme " but like others have said,does any other politician anywhere in the world get to pay from their own pockets of mistakes made by their government?

Your a very blinkered and bitter individual, were you Pioneer Corps or possibly a Rupert?

[longway]

They are going to issue an administrative order to force payment before the case is heard?? What type of legal system is that?

So a PM can just issue a penalty notice at his whim? What an absolute farce, and an incredibly dangerous precedent to set that is. He'd better get his wonga offshore because if he does that, undoubtedly there will be massive retribution when time comes....

Its got nothing to do with the case, it was supposed to be a cost neutral subsidy, and she was in charge of administering it, The scam lost vast amounts of money, up to 1 trillion baht, she is getting off lightly with only 500 billion or so imo.

[Thai at Heart]

They are going to issue an administrative order to force payment before the case is heard?? What type of legal system is that?

So a PM can just issue a penalty notice at his whim? What an absolute farce, and an incredibly dangerous precedent to set that is. He'd better get his wonga offshore because if he does that, undoubtedly there will be massive retribution when time comes....

Its got nothing to do with the case, it was supposed to be a cost neutral subsidy, and she was in charge of administering it, The scam lost vast amounts of money, up to 1 trillion baht, she is getting off lightly with only 500 billion or so imo.

Surely a court should decide guilt not a govt order?